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starwarz24
02-25-2008, 04:57 PM
I was browsing Star Wars.com and look what I found![IMG]http://starwars.com/gaming/other/rpg/img/20080222_apprentice_r.jpg[IMG] Check out this link http://starwars.com/gaming/other/rpg/news20080222.html (http://http://starwars.com/gaming/other/rpg/news20080222.html). If that's what you look like if you get redeemed, then count me in! Looks awsome!

adamqd
02-25-2008, 05:28 PM
Yeah it looks awesome don't it! welcome to the Forums starwarz24 :)

I'm guessing you can go light, dark, or neutral, Check this thread, I posted some bigger pictures of the Hasbro toy versions...

Post #23: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=185721

TKA-001
02-25-2008, 11:00 PM
I think the proper term for the Apprentice being redeemed is "absolute rubbish".

Jeff
02-25-2008, 11:22 PM
I don't think we can call it that, we virtually know nothing about him, his past or anything like that. I like all these features of the game that give it an rpg feel to it.

Miltiades
02-26-2008, 11:25 AM
I don't think we can call it that, we virtually know nothing about him, his past or anything like that. I like all these features of the game that give it an rpg feel to it.
Me too.

A redeemed SA was to be expected, IMO. A lot of games do it nowadays, giving the player the choice to be the good or the bad guy. And this is Star Wars, of course. :)

millinniummany3
02-26-2008, 07:24 PM
How much would a game appeal if the character you play as was a heartless ****? I think a few people would be put off by it.

Miltiades
02-27-2008, 02:17 PM
How much would a game appeal if the character you play as was a heartless ****? I think a few people would be put off by it.
I wouldn't mind. It'd be something different from the usual nice guys. :) Besides, if you've played KotOR or TSL, you know you can do just that: be completely heartless.

TKA-001
02-27-2008, 02:18 PM
How much would a game appeal if the character you play as was a heartless ****?
Ever hear of the Hitman series? Or Jedi Knight, Jedi Academy, or KOTOR, or KOTOR 2? Or hell, ever hear of TIE Fighter, for that matter?

PoiuyWired
02-27-2008, 02:24 PM
How much would a game appeal if the character you play as was a heartless ****? I think a few people would be put off by it.
GTA series... manhunt... etc...

DAWUSS
02-28-2008, 02:26 PM
I somehow get the feeling that once again LS will be the canon ending...


I don't have a problem with it, but IMO a DS ending being canon would make for an interesting change.

Rev7
02-29-2008, 10:40 PM
Here is a action figure of the Redeemed apprentice (http://www.starwars.com/gaming/other/rpg/news20080222.html). I think that that would be cool to choose you side. :)

EDIT: The picture is kinda in the middle/the end of the page.

millinniummany3
03-01-2008, 03:02 AM
You guys bring up Knights and you guys bring up Jedi Academy, Grand Theft Auto, I feel those games give you a choice. You can be as bad or what not as you want to be. A game where you had to kill Jedi children to proceed, for example, there was no option to avoid doing so. This is just me but I don't think that'd be cool and I think a number of other people wouldn't like the idea either.

TKA-001
03-01-2008, 09:17 AM
Repeat: TIE Fighter.

millinniummany3
03-01-2008, 06:03 PM
Cool your jets okay. Listen, shhh, listen. I looked up Tie Fighter and as the name indicates you serve as an Imperial pilot against Rebel terrorists. The game does have you fighting the good guys, sure. They're also a military force. Nowhere in my research into the game was there a part where you had to bomb a civilian colony or eliminate every man woman and child in a settlement. People might be craving this sort of game, but I think people would be turned off the game if they learnt that you had to commit such acts to play through.

DeadYorick
03-02-2008, 02:29 AM
I believe that having a redeemable protagonist in TFU would be a good idea to the plot

DAWUSS: The reason most SW games have LS cannons is because the majority of fans like to play the LS cannon more then the DS cannon since they project their own mortality on their characters and do not choose the DS ending as much as the LS.

TKA-001
03-02-2008, 08:49 AM
I recall that every transport-full of anything you capture in TIE Fighter is delivered for interrogation (and we all know how nice Imperials are in interrogations). That's just off the top of my head.

Jeff
03-02-2008, 10:33 AM
"They didn't even ask me any questions" :p

adamqd
03-02-2008, 10:58 AM
"I feel Terrible!"

PoiuyWired
03-02-2008, 02:58 PM
I believe that having a redeemable protagonist in TFU would be a good idea to the plot

DAWUSS: The reason most SW games have LS cannons is because the majority of fans like to play the LS cannon more then the DS cannon since they project their own mortality on their characters and do not choose the DS ending as much as the LS.

So you mean its LS ending Canon for that Anakin game?

Well, I think its good to be bad sometime, but thats just me.

On the Tie Fighter game: There is actually some choice you can make in the story I think. You get to choose to work on the special objectives from the Emperor's Secret Service, and get to be the Emperor's Hand/Eye/Spleen/etc

millinniummany3
03-02-2008, 05:12 PM
The freighters you scan are dealt with by Imperial torture? Yeah, and while you're on the front lines in America's Army or something your buddies are abusing prisoners in Abu Ghraib, go figure.

TKA-001
03-02-2008, 05:55 PM
No relevance.

millinniummany3
03-03-2008, 05:20 AM
No relevence you say? You want to say Tie Fighter has you evil because of what who you work for does. In America Army, in Kuma War, who you fight for do evil. Depending on your point of view, invading Iraq, or Abu Ghraib, or Guantamano. In Generals, who you fight for do many evil things, what USA is attacked for, GLA modelled after Al Qaeda. In Red Alert, Soviets do many of the same atrocities as Empire. How is it not relevent?

TKA-001
03-03-2008, 05:26 PM
No relation between the two situations.

millinniummany3
03-03-2008, 06:21 PM
I just explained how they are related. You can't just say they're not, you have to prove there's no relation.

TKA-001
03-03-2008, 09:50 PM
Why do you get to decide the "rules" of a debate?

millinniummany3
03-03-2008, 11:09 PM
Because we need more than your say so that something is accurate. Can you prove these are not related?

PoiuyWired
03-04-2008, 11:11 AM
Point: There is quite some difference between being evil, or an ordinary joe making a living via being a gear in a evil organization.

Its like saying that the janitor working in Black Maza is evil cause his work involve in improving the condition of a evil company.

And for the record, NO THE COMPANION CUBE IS NEVER EVER EVIL, AND NEVAR WILL BE.

Jae Onasi
03-06-2008, 01:54 AM
Abu Ghraib and Gitmo have absolutely zilch to do with this game. Stay on topic, please.

Jvstice
03-06-2008, 02:17 AM
millenium: That's a trifle extreme and I'd be careful tying fictional examples to something quite that contemporary as people get pretty worked up when you talk about currently ongoing world events.

If you do stand by your statement about bad organizations and bad people in them, then in the x-wing rogue squadron comic series, wedge's brother in law would have changed from evil to good simply by a change in employer because of who he loved.

Not that his motivations changed that greatly, he was doing the same job for both empire and rebellion, and in both cases seeking to serve a greater good as he understood it. But who he was attached to and who mattered to him changed what side he was fighting for, not a deep seated belief that one was wrong and the other right.

The same could be said with Mara Jade being an emperor's hand, and the pilot in Tie Fighter hunting down rebels. Any "state" brings peace that probably saves a lot more lives than the anarchy that would take place if nothing were there. Is this an arguement against atttempting to reform the system, or replace it with somethign better? No. But you can't necessarily condemn someone to the same extent for playing a small part if they are concerned with the alternative being worse. There are definitely mitigating circumstances.

There can be honorable (if wrong headed) people fighting for a dishonorable cause. Example: Erwin Romel's leadership in WW2. He was known for treating his soldiers and the natives where he fought with courtesy and equality, not showing any sign of partiality or discrimination, but he fought for an army that was the anti - thesis of this and were bringing about the holocaust while he was serving his country. Was Rommel evil? Would a tie pilot & officer automatically be evil in Star Wars if their concerns were preservation of the lives of their soldiers, to get through the battles with the least casualties on both sides and treated P.O.W.s with respect and dignity, even if the empire as a whole did not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Rommel

millinniummany3
03-06-2008, 08:07 PM
That's the point I'm trying to make. You brought up Mara Jade, there was a quote on Wookiepedia I think, I tried looking it up to no avail, where she explains how as the Emperor's Hand she was used to assassinate people, thinking whether or not they deserved it and rationalizing that most of them did. I don't think she had ever been portrayed as a killer, certainly not a concienseless murderer at any rate. But i that was the way the Secret Apprentice is, not just having the ability to mass murder as a result of the free form style of game (aka GTA) but it was part of what you had to do, I think people won't like it.

Jvstice
03-06-2008, 11:10 PM
Actually, I expect the game to be somewhat like the sims or KOTOR in that regard, and wide open with directions you can dake it.

PoiuyWired
03-07-2008, 04:03 PM
Actually, I expect the game to be somewhat like the sims or KOTOR in that regard, and wide open with directions you can dake it.

NO. Probably no where near the seams... there is a plot, and the aim of your game is not killing your character in a cooking accident.

Kotor would be closer, though I doubt there would be as much flexability. Its probably like the JK series when it comes to flexability to explore, with maybe a slightly more advanced system on determining your ending.

General LiWar
03-07-2008, 07:10 PM
I think this game is going to be majorly complex. General Kota, a Jedi, seems to have a major role in this game. especially after reading the plot on the site (http://www.lucasarts.com/games/theforceunleashed/#/story/plot/) So redemption seems highly probable. I agree that it'll probably be similar to JK flexibility. But I really believe this game is going to have a bad ending b/c if he goes good, vader will be after him and if he stays dark, we have an interesting story to go with for the next JK game

TKA-001
03-07-2008, 07:21 PM
I'm pretty sure the Dark Forces series is kaput.

Ztalker
03-08-2008, 07:15 AM
TKA-001 wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Dark Forces series is kaput.

Could you please make some longer posts? For me it's quit hard to find out what you mean with your short posts...which results into strange reactions and stuff...

@Topic:
Juedging by the toys, there's a light, dark and 'normal' ending. Why couldn't the canon one be normal or dark for a change? We know the actor who portrays the apprentice has expressed interest in actin in the upcoming television series. Which we know of, will be a bit dark and harder then the movies...so a dark side or 'normal' ending of this game doesn't sound wrong or unbelievable to me :)

PoiuyWired
03-09-2008, 05:05 AM
My guess would be this having a "normal" ending as canon. It would be really cliche if its a canon LS again. But then again GL is starting to be filled with cliche himself anyways, too keen on lightsideing the heros.

Rev7
03-09-2008, 09:09 PM
^
Is it even possible to have a Dark Side hero? :xp:

General LiWar
03-09-2008, 10:17 PM
i guess technically that depends on how you percieve hero. A guy who saves the lives of innocents... then no. But a man with great skill, that is honored by his people for courage and valor type stuff... yes a dark side hero is possible

TKA-001
03-10-2008, 01:49 PM
I think the proper term for a dark side hero would be an anti-hero, one who does the right thing (fight the bad guys) for the wrong reasons (such as revenge or some other sort of personal vendetta).

Rev7
03-10-2008, 07:44 PM
My point exactly.

Ali1392
05-01-2008, 04:52 PM
I think there was something about mutiple endings said near when it was first reveled but im not sure if its been scraped or not

Blix
05-03-2008, 02:09 AM
the link doesn't work :(

Henz
05-03-2008, 12:41 PM
Talking about heroes and anti-heroes, anyone else develop an instant dislike of Shaak Ti after finding out she survived? Probably something about running away from the temple and leaving all those kids to die.....

TKA-001
05-03-2008, 12:52 PM
It's certainly not her fault.

Henz
05-04-2008, 11:13 AM
Temple got attacked and she ran away. Big hero.

Gurges-Ahter
05-04-2008, 12:02 PM
Yeah I'm with Henz on this one. Maybe we'll find out more during TFU, but based on what we know so far, she seems like a coward for fleeing the temple and leaving the younglings defenseless against Vader.
As the Jedi Temple's commander and defender,[1] Shaak Ti was present during the fall of the Jedi Temple, during which Darth Vader himself set out to kill the Jedi Master. Knowing she would not be able to defeat Skywalker and the 501st Legion, she fled Coruscant and went into self-imposed exile on Felucia, where fellow Jedi Knights Aayla Secura and Bariss Offee were shot down. Some time later she met Jedi Maris Brood, who was bent on revenge against Vader. Shaak Ti convinced her to go into hiding on the planet Felucia, where she was training the Force sensitive natives for an eventual conflict with Vader and his secret apprentice.

Ztalker
05-04-2008, 12:03 PM
What was she supposed to do otherwise? Die heroically but stupidly?

Now she can spread (and judging buy the teaser screens she does it very well) her knowledge of the Force and keep the Order alive. Kruhk did the same, for 'Dark Times' readers, although he DID save younglings.

But saying she's a 'real hero' would mean Obi-Wan and Yoda were real heroes too! They fled the Temple as well, and Yoda even ran away from Palpatine. Although they weren't there wen the real order 66 occured, they certainly didn't try to secure the temple, bury the dead or anything 'hero-like.' :)

TKA-001
05-04-2008, 01:37 PM
Ditto. :) :) :)

Gurges-Ahter
05-04-2008, 01:57 PM
What was she supposed to do otherwise? Die heroically but stupidly?
Was it a guarantee she was going to lose? Was she not a renowned and battle-tested Jedi Master? It seems cowardly for a Jedi Master to run away from a fight, especially when it results in the inevitable deaths of all of the younglings. For someone worried about spreading her teaching/knowlege of the force, you would think the lives of the younglings would matter to her enough to try and protect them.

Ztalker
05-04-2008, 04:05 PM
Ehm...I think you are mixing some canon material up here.... :xp:

Example:

Ki Adi Mundi deflected 2-3 blaster bolts before dying. And he's a high council member. Obi-Wan Kenobi survived Order 66 by sheer luck. Quinlan Vos was mortally wounded.
And this was against teams of 3-4 Clone Troopers. A Jedi has a maximum of blaster bolts he/she can deflect. Did you see the mass of soldiers PLUS Darth Vader enetering the temple? There is NOTHING to gain against that army.

Suppose the Temple is a big place. Who says she didn't try to fight her way through a few waves but was simply too late? Remember, the one who actually KILLED the younglings was DARTH VADER. Brought to their chambers by at least a platoon of troopers. A Sith Lord and an army? Good luck with your little laser sword. No Yoda or Luke would have made it.

In the comics and cartoons, Jedi can deflect a million blaster bolts. In the movies (which are higher in canon) they can't. And we are talking movies here, where people die when gunned at by 10 troopers. Anyone would. :)

Gurges-Ahter
05-04-2008, 04:14 PM
That is in agreement with my original statement - that I'd wait for additional material in TFU before making judgment, but at this point it seems cowardly. It's possible that the younglings were killed by Vader before Shaak Ti could have possibly gotten to them to help. At this point we don't know. But from what I read on wookieepedia it sounds like she just resigned and let the younglings be executed without offering any type of help whatsoever. Even the youngling that ran out on the landing pad when Bail Organa showed up gave a fight (I think that kid was related to Lucas somehow, if I remember right).

Anyway, I didn't mix up any canon, as you suggested. All I said is that it wasn't guaranteed she would die. Perhaps she could have defeated Vader and helped some younglings escape. She obviously knew some way out of there since she was able to escape herself.

littleman794
05-05-2008, 10:54 AM
Ztalker said this:

http://www.gamepro.com/nintendo/wii/games/previews/images/173588-10-1.jpg


The two I bolded are the ones that look exactly like the one from the 'evolution' toy set. So it means there is at least an Evil and a good ending. :)
Quote:
1. Apprentice (Bounty Hunter Disguise)
2. Apprentice (Corellian Flight Suit)
3. Apprentice (Father's Robes)
4. Apprentice (Light Training Gear)
5. Apprentice (Training Gear)
6. Apprentice (Raxus Prime Survival Gear)
7. Apprentice (Sith Robes)
8. Apprentice (Jungle Combat Gear)
9. Apprentice (Industrial Explorer Outfit)
10. Ultimate Good
11. Qui-Gon Jinn
12. Obi-Wan Kenobi
13. Anakin Skywalker
14. Darth Vader
15. Luke Skywalker (from Episode IV)
16. Luke Skywalker (from Episode VI)
17. Mace Windu
18. Ultimate Evil
19. Shaak Ti
20. Darth Maul
21. Count Dooku
22. Asajj Ventress
23. Master Rahm Kota
24. Aayla Secura
25. Mara Jade
26. Darth Phobos
27. Maris Brood

adamqd
05-05-2008, 11:28 AM
Sweet selection of characters! do we know if Multiplayer is on 360? I'm a bit behind on news just lately :)

Blix
05-06-2008, 08:45 AM
Was it a guarantee she was going to lose? Was she not a renowned and battle-tested Jedi Master? It seems cowardly for a Jedi Master to run away from a fight, especially when it results in the inevitable deaths of all of the younglings. For someone worried about spreading her teaching/knowlege of the force, you would think the lives of the younglings would matter to her enough to try and protect them.

She definitely would have been killed, she may have put up a fight though. Anakin was the prophesized "chosen one", and was the reason Palpatine set him up to become his apprentice in the first place, Vader wasn't ever "beaten" until Episode VI by his own son, but even then Anakin left the darkside.

Gurges-Ahter
05-06-2008, 09:12 AM
She definitely would have been killed, she may have put up a fight though. Anakin was the prophesized "chosen one", and was the reason Palpatine set him up to become his apprentice in the first place, Vader wasn't ever "beaten" until Episode VI by his own son, but even then Anakin left the darkside.
Knowing what we know as movie-watchers, we know Vader would have defeated Shaak Ti. We also knew Sidious would somehow defeat Mace Windu. Does that mean Windu's character should not have confronted Sidious? Your point is moot. Shaak Ti didn't know Vader would defeat her, and she's a Jedi Master that should not have been afraid to confront him.

Again, maybe she didn't even have the chance to, but knowing what we know about it at this point, she should have tried to defeat Vader and help some of the younglings escape as she did.

Ctrl Alt Del
05-06-2008, 04:53 PM
Sweet selection of characters! do we know if Multiplayer is on 360? I'm a bit behind on news just lately :)
Bad news for us 360ers. IIRC, there was something about the multiplayer being restricted to the Wii version. At least the Duel Mode is. :(

PoiuyWired
05-07-2008, 01:08 AM
Maybe... just maybe... there would be online multiplayer for 360?
As for PS3, its a console designed for people playing alone with no friends... stupid $ony.

Henz
05-07-2008, 10:49 AM
What was she supposed to do otherwise? Die heroically but stupidly?


Yes absolutely. Or, she could at least use her fabled cunning to get some kids out with her.

We'll see just how the context is before I make any solid judgements of course; but at this point in time I find her a very unlikable character.

PoiuyWired
05-07-2008, 03:22 PM
maybe she did...

TKA-001
05-07-2008, 03:34 PM
Yes absolutely.
Yes, it's much better to die trying to do something that's impossible rather than to escape and do good later.

Ztalker
05-07-2008, 04:06 PM
Plus, do or do not. There is no try.

So 'trying' to save the younglings would go against Yoda directly! :xp:

Gurges-Ahter
05-07-2008, 07:08 PM
Yes, it's much better to die trying to do something that's impossible rather than to escape and do good later.
Do something that's impossible? She escaped - why couldn't she have helped some younglings escape? Perhaps she couldn't - we don't know - but you are making a leap by assuming it was impossible. That's why I said from the beginning that I'd wait to make judgment until we found out more (hopefully in TFU), but from what we currently know, she acted cowardly.
Plus, do or do not. There is no try.

So 'trying' to save the younglings would go against Yoda directly
Then don't try to save the younglings - just save them :)

Da_man
05-07-2008, 08:56 PM
Do something that's impossible? She escaped - why couldn't she have helped some younglings escape? Perhaps she couldn't - we don't know - but you are making a leap by assuming it was impossible.

Because if she tried to escape with some of the kids, she'd be leaving others behind to die, and I doubt she could have gotten far with them anyways, before being killed.

TKA-001
05-07-2008, 09:54 PM
but you are making a leap by assuming it was impossible.
I fail to see how you're making any less of a leap by saying that it was possible.

Gurges-Ahter
05-08-2008, 09:33 AM
I fail to see how you're making any less of a leap by saying that it was possible.
I suppose that's because you misread and/or misinterpreted my post. I didn't assert it was possible. I said, several times now, that I'd wait for more information to make judgment, but at this point in time based on what we know right now, it appears as if her act was cowardly.

Did you fail to notice the first 2/3 of that sentence? In case you did, here it is again:
Perhaps she couldn't - we don't know - but you are making a leap by assuming it was impossible.

Ztalker
05-08-2008, 09:56 AM
No, we guess by seeing she's alive.

Stronger and better masters died because of order 66. They wiped out an entire temple of Jedi. If she would have fought, I'd say there is a 90% chance of getting killed. And she's alive. So, imo, she hasn't faced the troopers or Vader. :)

Because, let's face it. In a realistic, not-cartoon Star Wars game, you die after an X number of hits. You can't go Cartoon Network style Clone Wars and survive an army of a million troopers, for example.
And since TFU puts it realistically (troopers die with 1 slash) I guess the probability of her fleeing is more likely then fighting.

If it was a Clone Wars Cartoon game, or Lego game, it would be the other way around :)

TKA-001
05-08-2008, 01:03 PM
I suppose that's because you misread and/or misinterpreted my post. I didn't assert it was possible. I said, several times now, that I'd wait for more information to make judgment, but at this point in time based on what we know right now, it appears as if her act was cowardly.

Did you fail to notice the first 2/3 of that sentence? In case you did, here it is again:
Perhaps she couldn't - we don't know - but you are making a leap by assuming it was impossible.
Your entire argument is based on the assumption that it was possible.

Gurges-Ahter
05-08-2008, 04:02 PM
Your entire argument is based on the assumption that it was possible.
Incorrect. My entire argument was based on the fact that we don't know, but based on what we do know, it could be possible and she did act like a coward.

Do you not agree that it's much more of a leap to assume it was impossible? Probably not, so this conversation is pointless.

TKA-001
05-08-2008, 05:24 PM
Incorrect. My entire argument was based on the fact that we don't know
At this point, you switch your position entirely.

Do you not agree that it's much more of a leap to assume it was impossible?
Considering the fact that the individual in question is as of now (to my knowledge) the only Jedi whatsoever to escape the attack on the temple, I can't see how it is a leap. There's also the obvious difficulties in finding and escorting any amount of younglings away from the Temple while being attacked by a gigantic army. Then, there's the matter of avoiding the numerous patrols of clone troopers that constantly guard the buildings around, avoiding being obliterated by the gunships and Star Destroyers, that surround the Temple, and so on. I'd consider it an almost insurmountably impressive accomplishment for a single person to escape the attack and then the planet, let alone escorting another person off-planet.

Probably not, so this conversation is pointless.
Vae victis.

Gurges-Ahter
05-08-2008, 05:54 PM
Vae victis.
I'm glad you feel good about yourself or have some sense of accomplishment, but my comments were more of an indictment to your line or reasoning than a resignation.

Perhaps I am lacking information regarding her escape - or maybe you are assuming again - but does anyone know exactly how she escaped? I really don't know, so please, if you do, educate me. Did she hide out and wait for the invasion to end and then slip out? Did she know some secret exit? I would think knowing that information would be fairly important when assessing whether or not she's vindicated from any judgment about her actions (or inactions, rather). Since I don't know that information, it has (in every one of my posts) been my contention that I would reserve judgment until I do know. For whatever reason you seem to ignore that part of my statements. That's why this conversation is pointless, but if it makes you feel some sort of accomplishment or achievement, feel free to continue doing so.

Serpentine Cougar
05-08-2008, 11:44 PM
If you wanna go by what Wookieepedia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shaak_Ti) says:
Shaak Ti was selected to safeguard the Jedi Temple while Mace Windu took a group of Jedi Masters to arrest the Supreme Chancellor. Although she possessed considerable fighting prowess, Shaak Ti was chosen to stay at the Jedi Temple to organize the Jedi Temple's defenses. Moments before the Great Jedi Purge, Ti encountered Anakin Skywalker, whom she believed was on his way to the Chancellor's office to help Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, and Saesee Tiin in the arrest. She tried to stop him from leaving, but the young Knight was persistent, saying he was the Chosen One, and it was his duty to be present.

As the Jedi Temple's commander and defender,[1] Shaak Ti was present during the fall of the Jedi Temple, during which Darth Vader himself set out to kill the Jedi Master. Knowing she would not be able to defeat Skywalker and the 501st Legion, she fled Coruscant and went into self-imposed exile on Felucia, where fellow Jedi Knights Aayla Secura and Bariss Offee were shot down. Some time later she met Jedi Maris Brood, who was bent on revenge against Vader. Shaak Ti convinced her to go into hiding on the planet Felucia, where she was training the Force sensitive natives for an eventual conflict with Vader and his secret apprentice.
Whether or not you want to call that cowardice or intelligence, I think, depends on how exactly you define the word.

The article doesn't give sources, though, unfortunately. The "[1]" up above links to Shaak Ti in the Databank, but the Databank entry hasn't been updated for TFU and still says "Shaak Ti was believed to be killed in the onslaught."

Gurges-Ahter
05-09-2008, 09:16 AM
The way I interpret that is she was at the Temple entrance, most likely, and just fled when Vader and the 501st Legion arrived. Perhaps she didn't have the chance to save the younglings then. If that's the case, I don't believe it was cowardice, but it does leave a bad taste in my mouth nonetheless.

I wonder why Vader couldn't off Shaak-Ti right there? How did she get past Vader and the 501st Legion?

Henz
05-09-2008, 02:41 PM
Yes, it's much better to die trying to do something that's impossible rather than to escape and do good later.

Yes it is much better to die trying to save children than to leave them to die for the greater good.

TKA-001
05-09-2008, 03:04 PM
Evidently "the greater good" does not actually mean "good" at all.

Gurges-Ahter
05-09-2008, 03:08 PM
I was also trying to think of another way to justify Shaak Ti's actions... The Jedi are often/usually loyal to their mandate from the council to a fault. For example, Qui-Gon first refused to try to free Anakin and his mother from slavery during TPM, because they "were not sent to free slaves", even though it was the right thing to do. Obi-Wan also chastises Anakin during AOTC when he over-steps the council's mandate and tells Padme that they will find who is attempting to assassinate her, instead of just protecting her.

However, Shaak Ti doesn't even fall into this category, since her mandate was to protect the Jedi Temple.

Shaak Ti was selected to safeguard the Jedi Temple while Mace Windu took a group of Jedi Masters to arrest the Supreme Chancellor.

PoiuyWired
05-10-2008, 07:02 PM
Perhaps she is out at the 7-11 accross the street for her smokes when the temple gets stormed, or something like that.

Gurges-Ahter
05-10-2008, 11:32 PM
I did hear somewhere that she smokes like a chimney.

Serpentine Cougar
05-11-2008, 11:35 PM
Maybe her actions in TFU will be enough to redeem her in the eyes of all us fans. Funny, this thread was originally about somebody else being redeemed...

Gurges-Ahter
05-11-2008, 11:38 PM
Ha - yeah I was thinking about that earlier (someone else being redeemed). I agree though - perhaps we will learn more about her escape that will redeem her in my eyes... that's why I always stated that I will reserve judgment until I know more.

Ryazan
08-20-2008, 04:19 PM
light side is probably the canon ending, because the emperor kills him in the novel.

M@RS
08-20-2008, 04:43 PM
You're probably right...