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urluckyday
03-28-2008, 01:05 AM
As you all know by now...I'm a Windows/Microsoft advocate of sorts (please, I'm a nice guy). I understand people not using Vista or any Microsoft if they've tested the waters or actually done research from several different sources...anyway...this just proves how much people forget that not every Windows crash or problem is Microsoft's fault alone. Well, feel free to leave comments (no hateful comments b/c I know how angry peeps get over this stuff :xp: ).

Here's the article on Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/nvidia-drivers-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-20/)

Q
03-28-2008, 02:21 AM
Like it or not, Vista is the future.

Well, the immediate future anyways.

Has anyone gotten SP1 yet?

Astrotoy7
03-28-2008, 07:20 AM
as far as the mass market goes, xp will start being given the move along once MS draws the curtain on support for it.

People into multimedia(esp htpc) made the switch many moons ago and were easily among the highest proportion of early adopters simply becase Vista's "Media Center" was inbuilt into Vista Home Premium and above. (no need for an elusive specialist edition like "mediacenter edition 2002-5")

Gamers and app dependent types are grudgingly switching, or multi-booting ;)

The rest are the people that use other OpSystems.

Mac is definitely being promoted to plain ole home users higher than ever before. (esp here in Oz Ive noticed...generally riding on the coat-tails of the ipod)

If Apple decided to make their next OS OEM/DIY available, they'd get a much greater chunk of sales simply because there is a real desire for this in the DIY market.

And Windows 7 is only a couple of years away as far as we are currently told. Not sure how much of it is true but apparently there may be a basic version of Windows7 that will be *free*? and come preloaded with certain apps and some OS stuff like FF etc > like the version of Xandros they put onto the ASUS EEE. Apparently, the companies that are responsible for the preloaded stuff(adobe etc) will foot the bill by paying for their product to be hard wired into this version.

I personally think that is a OK idea for students, lower end users etc. Its far too early to be anything more than rumour atm.

Im not keen on SP1 as reading the list of updates, cant see anything that I really need in there! However, I understand that future graphics drivers, DirectX and .Net 3.0 updates are going to be SP1 dependent, so the switch is inevitable :p

mtfbwya

stingerhs
03-28-2008, 10:34 AM
well, being the one to try things for himself for the sake of moving along in my chosen profession, i got Vista initially as a way to have something that looked nice on the resume (knowing a new operating system is a big plus in the computer industry). as such, i splurged for the Ultimate edition so i could learn every facet from both the Business/Enterprise and Home Editions.

in the process of learning the new OS, i actually ended up liking it to the point that Vista is my default OS, and i try to run everything from it. i do have XP installed on another partition, but i only have it so that i can run games/programs that don't work well with Vista. i also have Ubuntu 7.10 installed on yet another partition, but i hardly use it, and i'm probably going to remove it and use that partition for more drive space.

in the tradition of getting things before they're widely adopted, i installed Vista SP1 as soon as it became available to see how it stacks up. performance is slightly better, and i've noticed a nice improvement with how quickly my most used programs start up (this is probably due to improvements to Superfetch). i haven't seen any major problems on my end, and as far as i'm concerned, its business as usual with my system post-SP1.

besides, with me dabbling in programming, i'll need the .NET 3.0 stuff regardless. :p

Rogue Nine
03-28-2008, 10:47 AM
SP1 kicked my network transfers in the ass and made everything 'snappier'. I dunno if it's a placebo effect or what, but it's definitely a welcome improvement.

And I haven't experienced any Nvidia related 'crashes' on my system, but it used to give me that dratted 'nvlkddmm' whatever error whenever I played CoD4, making it really hard to have fun shooting things. None of the stupid Forceware drivers could fix it, and apparently people have been having this issue for for over a year now. I ended up having to dial the clockspeed on my 8800GT back to around 700Mhz to not get those damn driver hiccups.

Q
03-28-2008, 11:19 AM
People into multimedia(esp htpc) made the switch many moons ago and were easily among the highest proportion of early adopters simply becase Vista's "Media Center" was inbuilt into Vista Home Premium and above. (no need for an elusive specialist edition like "mediacenter edition 2002-5")
This has got to be one of Home Premium's best features. That and the fact that you can pick up a copy (32- OR 64-bit) for about the same price as a copy of XP Home.

Pho3nix
03-28-2008, 07:03 PM
Like it or not, Vista is the future.
Actually, Windows 7 seems to be the future. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7)

That's just two years from now, expected release of course.

Astrotoy7
03-28-2008, 10:41 PM
And Windows 7 is only a couple of years away as far as we are currently told....

Actually, Windows 7 seems to be the future. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7)

That's just two years from now, expected release of course.

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/5562/skimreadingad2.jpg

OT:

And I haven't experienced any Nvidia related 'crashes' on my system

Niner, have you dialed the clockspeed back up since upgrading to SP1. The MS hotfixes that addressed that issue, listed by nvidia as 'nvidia essential vista hotfixes' (http://www.nvidia.com/object/windows_vista_hotfixes.html), have been rolled into SP1.
>> the hotfixes specifically were

KB938194 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/938194)
KB938979 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/938979/en-us)
KB940105 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940105/en-us)


For those who are SP1 curious >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/sp1.mspx

mtfbwya

urluckyday
03-29-2008, 12:24 AM
Has anyone gotten SP1 yet?

I actually got SP1 the day it was released to the public, and on my new laptop, it made fast even faster. Also, battery life was improved about 30 minutes on each different power option. Yeah, SP1 made great...awesome!

Jae Onasi
03-29-2008, 02:02 AM
It would be great if MS didn't make its website such a PIA to use just to get to the update.
Have to use IE only, install an activeX in IE, then it won't let me d/l because I've tightened my home network security and MS doesn't like it so I have to change network settings for this.... Don't even get me started on "Windows Genuine User" problems trying to d/l one of the hotfixes one time (after I'd successfully d/l'd 2 others moments before). Ugh.

Astrotoy7
03-29-2008, 04:05 AM
@Jae >> have you tried updating via windows update in vista itself ? They should have enabled it by now...

mtfbwya

stingerhs
03-29-2008, 11:40 AM
It would be great if MS didn't make its website such a PIA to use just to get to the update.
Have to use IE only, install an activeX in IE, then it won't let me d/l because I've tightened my home network security and MS doesn't like it so I have to change network settings for this.... Don't even get me started on "Windows Genuine User" problems trying to d/l one of the hotfixes one time (after I'd successfully d/l'd 2 others moments before). Ugh.umm, Jae, you do realize that the main reason for getting SP1 through the website is for network admins that need to install SP1 across a network, right??

as Astro said, the Windows Update proggie works just fine, and you'll actually have a lot less to download if you've been keeping up with the updates. ;)

Jae Onasi
04-01-2008, 04:33 PM
umm, Jae, you do realize that the main reason for getting SP1 through the website is for network admins that need to install SP1 across a network, right??

They also have another version for single computers. I wasn't trying to d/l the one for network admins. :)

RoxStar
04-09-2008, 10:24 PM
My Vista SP1 actually slowed down my USB speeds even MORE :[