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Tysyacha
04-04-2008, 08:35 PM
This is a funny post with a serious message: How can we stop this sort of takeover of our natural and public resources by monopolistic corporations? I feel we must; otherwise America's 50 states might as well be named these:

Alabama = Applebama
Alaska = Aetnaska
Arizona = Armor-All-Zona
Arkansas = Amoco-sas
California = Coca-Colafornia
Connecticut = ConAgra-cut
Delaware = Dellware
Florida = Ford-ida
Georgia = Googlia
Hawaii = Hallmarkii
Idaho = IBM-aho (risky, but IBM IS a corporation name and thus fair game)
Illinois = Intelinois
Indiana = Insightiana
Iowa = IoWaMu (Io-Washington Mutual)
Kansas = K-Mart-sas
Kentucky = Kraftucky
Louisiana = Louis Rich-iana (Louis Rich is a brand of deli meat/products)
Maine = Maine Line (named for Main Line Entertainment, a movie studio)
Maryland = Macy's-land
Massachusetts = Monsanto-chusetts (Monsanto is an agricultural corp.)
Michigan = Michelin-gan
Minnesota = Minwaxota
Mississippi = Swiss Mississippi
Missouri = Microssouri
Montana = Mon-danna (named for Dannon Yogurt)
Nebraska = Nebiska (named for Nabisco)
Nevada = Nikevada
New Hampshire = New Halliburtonshire
New Jersey = New Jello-sey
New Mexico = New Lexusco
New York = New Yahoo!
North Carolina = North Coors-olina
North Dakota = North Kodakota
Ohio = O-"Hi-C"-O
Oklahoma = Aflachoma
Oregon = Oreo-gon
Pennsylvania = Pepsivania
Rhode Island = Reebok Island
South Carolina = South Coors-olina
Tennessee = Toyotasee
Texas = Texaco-sas
Utah = Union Carbide-tah
Vermont = VerPont (named for DuPont)
Virginia = Viagra-ginia
Washington = Wal-Marton
West Virginia = West Viagra-ginia
Wisconsin = Same, but spelled Wiskonsin after Wisk laundry detergent
Wyoming = Wyler's-oming (Wyler's makes flavored powder drinks and bouillon)

Rev7
04-04-2008, 11:55 PM
^
Did you make these up yourself? :lol: I must say that a lot of them are quite funny.

How can we stop this sort of takeover of our natural and public resources by monopolistic corporations?
Good question. Really good question, that I really don't honestly know how to answer...

jonathan7
04-04-2008, 11:58 PM
The only way it can be stopped is via the government, unfortunatly senators tend to be owned by big buisness. I actually think this happened large scale at the end of the 60's and has just got progressivly worse.

Something I do admire about the French is that their government is scared of their voters; something I think that due to American patriotism is not the same in America in the overall population.

Corinthian
04-05-2008, 12:13 AM
Yeah, that's a great idea. Make the Government control even more of every day life. And then you contradict yourself by talking about Governments fearing their people. The more power a Government has, the more the citizens have to fear it. The solution is NOT the Government. The Government, in fact, needs to take a step back.

You're wrong, Jonathan. There are other ways to stop this kind of thing without the efforts of the Federal Government. Boycotts. A large-scale boycott of any corporation will inevitably cause it to change it's mind, and if it doesn't change it's mind, well, stock price plummets and eventually the company falls apart.

Rather than asking Congress to step in, we need to learn to be an independent people again and stop our progress towards becoming a nanny state. The Government is already bloated, but who's fault is that? The American Public's. We allowed our Government to become this way, and it's not a new thing, this has been going on for decades, increased demands for the Government to step in on this and that. The American Public has the means in our pockets to stop the spread of monopolistic Corporations, but if we don't actively try to stop them, we're just giving them our unspoken approval.

This is the United States of America, practically the living symbol of Democracy and Capitalism. Free Enterprise is what this country was built on. Using the Government to curtail Enterprise's excess is the wrong way to go, and undermines Democracy. The more power is given to the Federal Government instead of the State and Individual, the less free this nation really is.

Corporate Excess IS a problem - but curtailing the perceived excesses of Free Enterprise is not a place the Government ever needs to set foot in.

Rev7
04-05-2008, 12:18 AM
A large-scale boycott of any corporation will inevitably cause it to change it's mind, and if it doesn't change it's mind, well, stock price plummets and eventually the company falls apart.
...And what happens to all of the people who depend on these stores/corporations is is falls apart. Are they just going to find somewhere else to purchase their goods for a higher price, ect. ?

I really think that this is a delicate.

Sabretooth
04-05-2008, 12:24 AM
There's only one solution to all the problems we face today and that is to embrace the one true system of government that provides quality, justice and freedom to all:

COMMUNISM

:carms:

Rev7
04-05-2008, 12:29 AM
^
:lol:
Funny. I doubt that America would "embrace" an idea like that. Very funny though...

Tysyacha
04-05-2008, 12:37 AM
Yes, I did make all those up myself. My fave is "Coca-Colifornia", BTW. :)

jonathan7
04-05-2008, 12:46 AM
Yeah, that's a great idea. Make the Government control even more of every day life. And then you contradict yourself by talking about Governments fearing their people. The more power a Government has, the more the citizens have to fear it. The solution is NOT the Government. The Government, in fact, needs to take a step back.

You're wrong, Jonathan. There are other ways to stop this kind of thing without the efforts of the Federal Government. Boycotts. A large-scale boycott of any corporation will inevitably cause it to change it's mind, and if it doesn't change it's mind, well, stock price plummets and eventually the company falls apart.

Rather than asking Congress to step in, we need to learn to be an independent people again and stop our progress towards becoming a nanny state. The Government is already bloated, but who's fault is that? The American Public's. We allowed our Government to become this way, and it's not a new thing, this has been going on for decades, increased demands for the Government to step in on this and that. The American Public has the means in our pockets to stop the spread of monopolistic Corporations, but if we don't actively try to stop them, we're just giving them our unspoken approval.

This is the United States of America, practically the living symbol of Democracy and Capitalism. Free Enterprise is what this country was built on. Using the Government to curtail Enterprise's excess is the wrong way to go, and undermines Democracy. The more power is given to the Federal Government instead of the State and Individual, the less free this nation really is.

Corporate Excess IS a problem - but curtailing the perceived excesses of Free Enterprise is not a place the Government ever needs to set foot in.

I both agree and disagree; the problem is the Government as it is currently set up; most politicians seems to have forgotten their job is to serve the people and do what is best for as many as they can help. A 'democratic' Government should be for the people by the people.

Indeed boycotts are something I agree with, the problem is most people in the West are to be frank asses; so selfish that anything that requires effort on their part doesnt happen. If you have facebook here is my note and thoughts on it; http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=7918437415&id=509146869&index=3

As ever, it caused a fair ammount of discussion among my friends, but with the exception of a few, most have done nothing, the agree they should do something, say they will, but don't. Hence the fact while I will still argue for boycotts I've lost faith in our generations ability to do so.

Just my 2 cents, thanks for reading.

Rev7
04-05-2008, 03:02 AM
Yes, I did make all those up myself. My fave is "Coca-Colifornia", BTW.
Well, I think that you did a great job on them. Some of them made me laugh, and appearantly I live in Wal-Marton! Perhaps I should change my location to Wal-Marton? :xp: Maybe I will...

MdKnightR
04-05-2008, 03:23 AM
There's only one solution to all the problems we face today and that is to embrace the one true system of government that provides quality, justice and freedom to all:

COMMUNISM

:carms:

Yeah, worked wonders for the USSR. [/sarcasm]

I believe it was Thomas Paine who said it best....The government that governs best governs least!

Ctrl Alt Del
04-05-2008, 12:06 PM
Americans are funny people: How do you think the US got up after 29? Liberalism, I hear?

Corinthian
04-05-2008, 02:47 PM
Jonathan, if we're too lazy to stand up for what we believe in, then we don't deserve to be free.

*Don*
04-05-2008, 03:11 PM
I agree with the boycott proposal. Boycotts have a weird tendency to work in alot of circumstances.

SilentScope001
04-05-2008, 06:45 PM
This is a funny post with a serious message: How can we stop this sort of takeover of our natural and public resources by monopolistic corporations?

Force all monopolisitic corporations to sell stock shares to American citizens.

If we really have to, have the US sponsor a welfare program in which the US buy 'welfare stock' for the less fortunate.

Once every citizen control at least a small portion of mega-corporations, it is as if we have taken over our natural and public resources. People are rightly upset if a CEO control the US, but what about mom-and-pop shareholders? Everyone is happy, except the enviromentalists, but wait, here's the kicker: Have the enviromentalists organize themselves into eco-friendly firms that promote clean energy!

I see no problem whatsoever except for the rare possiblity of Syndicates declaring war on each other (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicate_(computer_game_series))...

Corinthian
04-05-2008, 06:58 PM
You know, there's a word for that, Silentscope, forcing Corporations to spread their stocks out to the general public - Communism.

SilentScope001
04-05-2008, 07:03 PM
You know, there's a word for that, Silentscope, forcing Corporations to spread their stocks out to the general public - Communism.

Until the Corporations start competing with each other for market share and draw in the general public in their disputes over software patents. Then it's going to no longer look like a Karl Marx's utopia, that's for sure. People are going to line up by corporation, not by class, hence the proposed solution would be not at all socialist.

Web Rider
04-06-2008, 03:25 PM
I would probably agree with a boycott, though I think it may be more effective to boycott politicians. If we find out they're taking bribes, have a recall. And I don't care how many recalls it takes, we'll keep doing it until our politicians get it through their think head that expensive vacations, fancy dinners, and first-class travel provided by a corporation are unacceptable.

I would add, that the federal government needs the same kind of system that California has, where the people can submit laws and they will be voted on, they don't have to be pushed by a certain senator or something. That way we can destroy their ungodly benefit programs, saving the government billions, and we can reduce their pay when they don't perform the way we want. Some sort of system using the popular vote to vote on laws that don't even need congressional approval, if a majority of the people vote for it, it passes.

SilentScope001
04-06-2008, 04:37 PM
I would add, that the federal government needs the same kind of system that California has, where the people can submit laws and they will be voted on, they don't have to be pushed by a certain senator or something.

But to get the signatures to get an intiative on a ballot, you'll need to hire people to do it for you. Who would have the money to pull this off off? Interest groups...or mega-corproations. Sorry.

Tommycat
04-06-2008, 10:33 PM
I don't know that corporate owned America is that bad. Heck it might even be better for the American public than our current system of government.
The way it works right now:
I don't like my government's policy.
I stage a protest
Millions join in and we march on the capitol.
It gets on the news.
I say my bit to the reporter.
years later nothing has been done because of my protest.

With Corporate America:
I have a problem with the corporate policy.
I stage a protest, and begin a boycott of said company's products.
Millions join in.
Company stocks start to fall.
Company realizes that the loss of said customers is more costly than keeping policy in place.
within months policy has changed.

Not to mention that with corporations, nothing is stopping you from actually owning a piece of that corporation. Heck if you have a retirement plan, you probably have some shares of "Big Oil" in there. If you own enough of that company you can have a say in it's operation. I owned as few as 4 shares in a company and was actually allowed to help influence that company.

JediMaster12
04-06-2008, 11:58 PM
Yeah, worked wonders for the USSR. [/sarcasm]

I believe it was Thomas Paine who said it best....The government that governs best governs least!
The people have read Mr. Paine's "Common Sense" I doubt very much that Congress has...

We definitely have a problem with more of our government becoming influenced by corporate agenda. It is not something new however seeing as this started way back during the age of industrialization. Anyone remember the "trusts" formed by Carnegie and Rockefeller? It has been happening for a long time. We have only become more aware of it as we are being led throughblunders abroad and here in California, threats of budget cuts across the board. Heck our own news media is nothing but corporate broadcasting. The problem is that we have become lax in what has been happening. The only way to change it is to take a stand. Heck in California we wasted a million or so dollars on a recall election that got a know nothing elected into office that is further screwing with our economy. If we want a change we have to take a stand,

MdKnightR
04-07-2008, 12:52 AM
Heck in California we wasted a million or so dollars on a recall election that got a know nothing elected into office that is further screwing with our economy. If we want a change we have to take a stand,


Interesting that you feel that way. All I hear are good things about Gov. Schwarzenegger. My in-laws live in Lancaster, CA and even they like him.

JediMaster12
04-07-2008, 03:15 PM
Maybe it's because he hit on a sore spot by proposing budget cuts on Education and other things like cal trans. He wants to take my hard earned tax money and build the big friggin wall between us and Mexico. ALso he is a Republican and has exerted conservative views which have done nothing but benefit big corporations.

Nedak
04-07-2008, 03:34 PM
GO CORPORATE AMERICA! NOW I CAN GET FAT AND STUPID!

*shoots self*

Totenkopf
04-07-2008, 04:15 PM
^What? You can't do that in a socialist/communist country as well? :xp:

Nedak
04-07-2008, 04:37 PM
^No

Mmm I can smell the communism.


On a side note, the first ideas of communism were good ideas. It just turned into a system where tyrants can get rich and have power. Kinda like our country accept we started out with democracy and our rich power-hungry people also extend to corporate companies.

Join the Dark side, we have Coke!

Totenkopf
04-07-2008, 04:45 PM
Well, in communism you may have to be among the "first of equals" to get accesss to enough food to actually make you fat. :D Still, communism 'n socialism don't make it a given that your population will be any smarter than in any other system. I can smell the commie-ism to......I think someone forgot to flush the john again. :xp:

Nedak
04-07-2008, 04:57 PM
I said tyrants, as in their leaders... As of now most, if not all, ommunist countries are ruled by some sort of dictator.

Also, I never said that being a communist makes you more intelligent then a capitalist. In my opinion they are both equally stupid, as they are both corrupt at the moment.

Corinthian
04-07-2008, 05:01 PM
How is Capitalism stupid? That doesn't make any sense.

Totenkopf
04-07-2008, 05:05 PM
You originally said fat and stupid, hence my comment about intelligence (ie you can get stupid and probably even fat in a different system from capitalism before you go off and *shoot yourself*). I wasn't disagreeing that the leaders could get fat (merely acknowledging your point about tyrants--1st among equals--having greater access to foodstuffs).

Nedak
04-07-2008, 05:20 PM
How is Capitalism stupid? That doesn't make any sense.

Capitalism itself is not stupid. It does give everybody the right to work for themselves, etc. But what it also does, is it allows large corporate companies to impact our lives more. This is negative in many ways...

If you want me to get into reasons why corporate companies controlling The United States then I'll explain it to you in another thread or perhaps a PM... Otherwise I don't want to stray too far off the topic.

You originally said fat and stupid, hence my comment about intelligence (ie you can get stupid and probably even fat in a different system from capitalism before you go off and *shoot yourself*). I wasn't disagreeing that the leaders could get fat (merely acknowledging your point about tyrants--1st among equals--having greater access to foodstuffs).

I apologize for reading your post wrong then.

Also, yes of course it is plausible to get fat and stupid off other systems, I was just letting out some steam. On a side note, America as I believe, has the largest rate of obesity out of any other country. Wonder why? hah

Oh and check this out http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/

Shows the increase of obesity in the United States from 1985-2006.

Notice which states they are in.

Corinthian
04-07-2008, 05:53 PM
What's your point?

Nedak
04-07-2008, 09:41 PM
What's your point?
I never had an actual point to begin with... I posted what I thought was a joke that everybody chose to analyze. I simply responded to your questions.

The Betrayer
04-07-2008, 10:10 PM
Yeah, worked wonders for the USSR. [/sarcasm]
Long live Comrade Stalin! :lol:

Tommycat
04-07-2008, 10:35 PM
On a side note, American has I believe has the largest rate of obesity out of any other country. Wonder why? hah

Oh and check this out http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/

Shows the increase of obesity in the United States from 1985-2006.

Notice which states they are in.
And you are out of date. Actually our obesity rate is slowing, and in fact Mexico is on course to surpass the US in obesity in less than 10 years.

Nedak
04-08-2008, 01:33 AM
And you are out of date. Actually our obesity rate is slowing, and in fact Mexico is on course to surpass the US in obesity in less than 10 years.
I did some research and you are in-fact correct on Mexico surpassing the US, but that is a result of a larger amount of poverty in Mexico. Many people believe poverty causes obesity; since you can only afford less quality foods which are worse for your health.

Being the second, or even on the top 10 most obese countries isn't good either.

Also, I didn't find any information saying that we are slowing.

Tommycat
04-08-2008, 02:13 AM
Also, I didn't find any information saying that we are slowing.
Obesity leveling off in the US (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22007477/)
There ya go. Its a bit dated, but not as dated as the sources saying obesity is rising.

Jae Onasi
04-08-2008, 02:14 AM
The obesity rates of various countries, while interesting, is starting to pull th e thread off topic. Feel free to open another thread to discuss it there, however. :)

Nedak
04-08-2008, 01:33 PM
^I agree Jae. I Was going to stop after he presented his facts anyways.

Thank you Tommycat.. I'm sure you at least see my point.

Continue

JediMaster12
04-08-2008, 06:49 PM
How is Capitalism stupid? That doesn't make any sense.
Tell me: Why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away?

I think han sala was trying to say that capitalism has its dark side so to speak which he made clear. Ideally capitalism allows everyone to have equal opportunity to make their way. Unfortunately we know this isn't so since our most precious resources are in the hands of the few aka corporations. If anyone remembers from history about JD Rockefeller and Albert Carnegie and the other capitalists after the war between the states, you would see the dark side of capitalism.
Communism is the idea that all the resources are owned and shared equally. Unfortunately we had guys who went power hungry like Stalin and we had the "Red Scare" going on.
As far as I can say is that we are seriously heading towards the possibility that corporations will take over. Hell there were allusions to it in RoboCop 2 if you remember the bit about making Detroit private. It is not a far off base possibility. It is very real.

Nedak
04-08-2008, 06:54 PM
^
Thank you sir!

At least somebody will acknowledge my point, which I thought I made pretty clear to begin with.

Carry On! :)