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littleman794
04-07-2008, 02:53 PM
In the upcoming game, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed when you play as Darth Vader, you can use lightning. The thing is, he can't!!

In Star Wars Episode III, Darth Sidious considers leaving Anakin because he can not use lightning! Why? You need living hands to cast it!
Darth Vader can not use lightning, because his hands(and most of his body) are made of metal, therefore he can not use lightning. I wonder if they got George Lucas' permission to give Darth Vader that power.

If anyone else notices this vital flaw, tell me what you think.

littleman794
(")>.<(")

Jeff
04-07-2008, 02:57 PM
When in the movie does he consider leaving Anakin? There is no real mention in the movies that Anakin can't use lighting, he just never does. And I've heard that you have to have real hands to use lightning but where does this fact actually come from? Because in Episode III the game both Anakin and Darth Vader can use lighting.

Ztalker
04-07-2008, 02:59 PM
Relax, take a breath, and look again :)

It's the Wii version you're talking about. It has this duel mode thing. And the whole thought behind this particular mode (as one of the developers explained) it to recreate the famous movie duels but WITH the apprentice powers.

And that's why Vader is using lightning. Concider it artistic license or a way to make this particular mode more interesting :D

EDIT: It is stated in several expanded Universe material that Palpatine would sometimes frighten Vader with force lightning since it would instantly kill his circuitry. It seems metalman realy can't use it...

Jeff
04-07-2008, 03:05 PM
OK, that makes sense since the lightning did basically kill him in RotJ.

In the announcement on SpikeTV last night they also showed Vader using lightning against the apprentice when you play as him in the first level, and I'm guessing they were showing the Xbox 360 or PS3 versions. Still not a big deal, the game is supposed to be over the top and all that.

littleman794
04-07-2008, 03:08 PM
ya, but it still makes it kinda annoying for any fans.

Inyri
04-07-2008, 03:09 PM
I think it would be one thing to be attacked with Force lightning and a very different thing to use it. You would think, being as powerful as he is, that Vader would naturally be able to channel the lightning to avoid any obviously necessary circuitry (wasn't the majority in his torso?). Plus metal is a good electrical conductor -- he could channel it right down his arm like normal... you would suspect, anyway.

littleman794
04-07-2008, 03:14 PM
yes, but if electricity is FLOWING through the metal in him(which is touching his remaining flesh)it would still effect him at least a little.

So if he could use it, there should be a certain period of time as he recovers briefly before he can use it again.

Miltiades
04-07-2008, 06:06 PM
It's the Wii version you're talking about. It has this duel mode thing. And the whole thought behind this particular mode (as one of the developers explained) it to recreate the famous movie duels but WITH the apprentice powers.
I'm not sure if that's the Wii version, but I think the PSP version has that as well. The goal of the duel mode is to give the player the chance to play those vital moments of the movies on the Wii/PSP, but indeed, with the Unleashed Force powers from the story mode.

tyrone333
04-07-2008, 06:21 PM
The psp version has darth vader using lighting i swear i saw vader losing health when he used and luke can use it as well.

Qwerty Uiop
04-07-2008, 06:22 PM
ya, but it still makes it kinda annoying for any fans.


I can just avoid using lightning in the first level when playing as Vader.

Miltiades
04-07-2008, 08:17 PM
The psp version has darth vader using lighting i swear i saw vader losing health when he used
If you look closely, you can see Vader doesn't lose health when using Force Lightning in his duel with Luke on the PSP version.

JoeDoe 2.0
04-07-2008, 09:27 PM
I always thought that the LIGHTNING Power used the your body's static electricity (or the electrical shocks used by the nerves) and amplified them using the force. Yeah Vader and Anakin could use Lightning on the Ep 3 game, but I guess they just did it to make them more powerful

Pho3nix
04-08-2008, 08:38 AM
As far as I know, Vader can't use Force Lightning because of his armor.

"It should be noted that Darth Vader, despite being a powerful Sith Lord, was unable to generate or deflect Force lightning. This was due to his cybernetic implants, and any attempt by Vader to generate it would cause it to backfire, electrocuting his life-support systems, causing it to short-circuit and kill him."

Taken from Wookieepedia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dart...Force_potential).

littleman794
04-08-2008, 11:57 AM
exactly pho3nix!

so darth vader can NOT use lightning! So they are controdicting the fact that darth vader can not use lightning, no matter how powerful he is with the force.

it's simple logic!!

i think someone should tell them or george lucas...

(")>.<(")

JoeDoe 2.0
04-08-2008, 12:53 PM
^I think its incorporated in the game because you can alter things on them :p

littleman794
04-08-2008, 01:40 PM
true, but you can not ignore the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE...

this is just one of those things that i will not be able to get over...

(")>.<(")

Lantzen
04-08-2008, 01:41 PM
i think someone should tell them or george lucas...

(")>.<(")I hope you are kidding. The purpose of the game is "To kickass with the force". Who really cares about one detail that is so small ? I would be more worry with the story of the game then that detail. Or the fact, that if you really noob you could probaly die as Vader ^^ How would that look to the cannon :lol: "Darth Vader was infact not killed at the Death Star after throwing the Empire down a pit, he truly died by a raging wookie when he had his elite batlion of Stormtropper covering his back"

littleman794
04-08-2008, 01:46 PM
I hope you are kidding. The purpose of the game is "To kickass with the force". Who really cares about one detail that is so small ? I would be more worry with the story of the game then that detail. Or the fact, that if you really noob you could probaly die as Vader ^^ How would that look to the cannon :lol: "Darth Vader was infact not killed at the Death Star after throwing the Empire down a pit, he truly died by a raging wookie when he had his elite batlion of Stormtropper covering his back"

ya, your right....it's not that big a deal, BUT IT IS STILL ANNOYING, right?:giveup:

JoeDoe 2.0
04-08-2008, 01:52 PM
ya, your right....it's not that big a deal, BUT IT IS STILL ANNOYING, right?:giveup:


Not really.

As mentioned: I WANT TO KICK @$$ WITH THE FORCE!!
I don't care with what as long as I'm able to :xp:

littleman794
04-08-2008, 01:59 PM
Not really.

As mentioned: I WANT TO KICK @$$ WITH THE FORCE!!
I don't care with what as long as I'm able to :xp:

yes, but you can KICK @$$ without lightning!!!

once again, IT DEFY'S ALL LOGIC!!!

:blaze6::blaze6::blaze6::blaze6::blaze6::blaze6:

adamqd
04-08-2008, 02:14 PM
Logic rarely plays a part in space fantasy, the game mechanics must be non canon, but the chance to play a game like this will be cool

PoiuyWired
04-08-2008, 02:56 PM
Well, think about this though. WHEN did Vader start not being able to use lightning. Maybe he is able to use it BEFORE the whole armor destruction thing as shown in the model. Its the extensive damage to his life support system that causes his unablility to use lightning.

So basically, its like how General Goofyous keeps coughing and stuff cause of internal damage to his life support system.

Ztalker
04-08-2008, 03:00 PM
Hmmm...interesting theory, PoiuyWired.

You mean to say that...say, if the game starts 2 days after Anakin becomes Darth Vader. Which is before any canon information about him NOT being able to use lightning, the creators of this game have the freedom to DO make him use Lightning, but only have to provide a reason with it why he doesn't in the next canon material?

Because it sounds good. We KNOW there is a 'battle damaged' Vader toy out there. The damage there could be the reason he can't use it anymore :D

Qwerty Uiop
04-08-2008, 05:27 PM
It's most likely for gameplay reasons. I can just avoid using the lightning. Vader has other powers.

tyrone333
04-08-2008, 07:26 PM
I just want to force push a ship at bunch of stormtroopers and then use lighting to blow them away.

littleman794
04-08-2008, 07:44 PM
Logic rarely plays a part in space fantasy, the game mechanics must be non canon, but the chance to play a game like this will be cool

yes, but it defies Star Wars Logic...:rifle1:

Hmmm...interesting theory, PoiuyWired.

You mean to say that...say, if the game starts 2 days after Anakin becomes Darth Vader. Which is before any canon information about him NOT being able to use lightning, the creators of this game have the freedom to DO make him use Lightning, but only have to provide a reason with it why he doesn't in the next canon material?

Because it sounds good. We KNOW there is a 'battle damaged' Vader toy out there. The damage there could be the reason he can't use it anymore :D

Excellent point Ztalker, that may just be true, and you may have just finally calmed me down..I will have to do some research on that idea...

:yelbounc::yelbounc::yelbounc::yelbounc:

Zerimar Nyliram
04-08-2008, 08:13 PM
Okay, people, I will tell let you in on a truth that applies to every single video game ever made: gameplay is never canon.

Jvstice
04-08-2008, 08:41 PM
Well, think about this though. WHEN did Vader start not being able to use lightning. Maybe he is able to use it BEFORE the whole armor destruction thing as shown in the model. Its the extensive damage to his life support system that causes his unablility to use lightning.

So basically, its like how General Goofyous keeps coughing and stuff cause of internal damage to his life support system.

Well in Dark Lord: the Rise of Darth Vader, he's still recovering from the loss of his arms and legs and the grafting on of is suit when Palpatine says that his cyborg parts will make him never able to use force lightning. So there's really no way to fit the ability into canon once Darth Vader both has his armor and is up and walking around once he's had his lifesaving surgery after his fight with Ben Kenobi, no matter how you look at it.

littleman794
04-08-2008, 11:54 PM
Exactly, so I was right the whole time!!

No matter how much force Darth Vader has, he can not physically possible use lightning.

Ha!

Jeff
04-09-2008, 01:40 AM
Sounds like you guys are right, I agree with Zerimar though: the gameplay itself is not canon, its the story that is canon.

littleman794
04-09-2008, 12:25 PM
oh, by the way guys.....hehe..PREPARE YOURSELVES, THIS MAY SOUND LIKE A REALLY STUPID QUESTION, BUT IT IS MOST LIKELY COMING FROM A VERY STUPID PERSON...aka:me.....

here goes: what is canon??

there! I typed it and now i feel twice as stupid....nonetheless, please answer it anyway...

hehe....:D

Zerimar Nyliram
04-09-2008, 01:25 PM
Basically "canon" or "canonical" refers to events that are considered to have happened.

Here's (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon) a pretty good article on it.

adamqd
04-09-2008, 01:41 PM
Thats what I was gonna link too :), yes canon is an "Official" version of a story, or Characters and events deemed part of the continuity by Lucas and his crew, Canon is separated into different levels, this is organized by Leland Chee and Lucas Licensing... Well... check the Link :D ^^^

littleman794
04-09-2008, 03:56 PM
cool, ok....I still don't understand much, but i don't really mind...

ill get someday soon....

Well in Dark Lord: the Rise of Darth Vader, he's still recovering from the loss of his arms and legs and the grafting on of is suit when Palpatine says that his cyborg parts will make him never able to use force lightning. So there's really no way to fit the ability into canon once Darth Vader both has his armor and is up and walking around once he's had his lifesaving surgery after his fight with Ben Kenobi, no matter how you look at it.

so, i guess that statement raps it up guys.

but, hey! It was one heck of a debate...!!:shadow:shadow

anyways...I wonder if the makers of the game might think twice about letting darth vader use lightning..

message:i am not really concluding this thread, feel free two keep on talking on this subject or another..

littleman794----(")>.<(")

adamqd
04-09-2008, 04:45 PM
You've got to imagine that this game is to Star Wars, what NBA Jam was to basketball, its set in the Basketball league, using real Players just with over the top skills, this is a canon story with canon Characters, it's just got caricatured Force Powers. the same thinking should be adopted with a lot of EU...

"The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them. Like the great Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi said, 'many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.'"

It's just for the sake of the Game play, Mainly (From what I can tell) for the VS Mode

Astor
04-09-2008, 05:42 PM
It's just for the sake of the Game play, Mainly (From what I can tell) for the VS Mode

That's exactly what it is, and why it's in there. It's one tiny point - what next? Are we going to complain because Vader's life support is flashing the wrong colours? :lol:

Inyri
04-09-2008, 05:45 PM
Are we going to complain because Vader's life support is flashing the wrong colours? :lol:Yes! Lightbulbs don't burn out in Star Wars! :p

littleman794
04-09-2008, 06:06 PM
Yes! Lightbulbs don't burn out in Star Wars! :p

nice one!


It's just for the sake of the Game play, Mainly (From what I can tell) for the VS Mode

yes, i realize that, but if someone takes a break from the game, that night in bed they realize that it is still not possible.No matter what!

Astor
04-10-2008, 04:27 AM
Yes! Lightbulbs don't burn out in Star Wars!

Did I just get 'served'? :xp:

But surely you understand my point?

yes, i realize that, but if someone takes a break from the game, that night in bed they realize that it is still not possible.No matter what!

Why is such a game ending thing? If you don't like that he has lightning for MP reasons or whatever, then don't use it!

littleman794
04-10-2008, 09:27 AM
If you don't like that he has lightning for MP reasons or whatever, then don't use it!

I won't!!!....

Nedak
04-10-2008, 03:06 PM
nice one!
yes, i realize that, but if someone takes a break from the game, that night in bed they realize that it is still not possible.No matter what!

Then sleep tight ;)

mrpanicy
04-10-2008, 03:35 PM
What does it matter. Yes, we know he can't use lightning, those of us who read the EU do anyway. But the game makers took some artistic license. From the sounds of it it was for duel mode. And apparently its supposedly rediculous, because everyone and anyone can use "Dark Side" powers. (I use quotations because during the Killik novels there are discussions on if the force even has a Dark Side and Light Side, that its more how you use it)

If there is anything we should be arguing over its if Jedi who shouldn't use these powers can. Such as if Luke uses them, should he be allowed too?

littleman794
04-10-2008, 03:40 PM
If there is anything we should be arguing over its if Jedi who shouldn't use these powers can. Such as if Luke uses them, should he be allowed too?

nice point...so neither darth vader, luke, or any other jedi should be able to use force lightning!!

*hmph!!!*that is very annoying!!.....

If I were a maker of the game, I wouldn't care about multiplayer players being able to not use lightning as luke.....they could suck it up and play as the apprentice if the lightning power is thatspecial...

flamthro

mrpanicy
04-10-2008, 03:45 PM
Or it could be balanced somehow. I know Corran Horn for one can absorb power. I am not saying everyone can do it (I know Luke can, to a much lesser extent), but lets use creative thinking, rather then everyone being the same mix it up. Thats why I loved Jedi Academy's multiplayer, so many options, so many cool things that could happen.

littleman794
04-10-2008, 04:19 PM
true, but that still doesn't handle the fact that darth vader can not use lightning...

like jvstice said:

Well in Dark Lord: the Rise of Darth Vader, he's still recovering from the loss of his arms and legs and the grafting on of is suit when Palpatine says that his cyborg parts will make him never able to use force lightning. So there's really no way to fit the ability into canon once Darth Vader both has his armor and is up and walking around once he's had his lifesaving surgery after his fight with Ben Kenobi, no matter how you look at it.

take that!

adamqd
04-10-2008, 05:41 PM
I know where your coming from Littleman, but the whole Idea of the game is to use ridicules powers that aren't "realistic" or true to the films, The Idea of an apprentice pulling a Star Destroyer out of orbit is so non canon its got supershadow (Wookiee it ;))written on it. This is where your earlier question about canon and its various levels come in to play.

eg: In the EU Sidious can create force storms in space and destroy entire new republic fleets, In the Films (Which are the highest canon) The Jedi and Sith don't use Powers anything near that magnitude.

The licensed Games and books are fantasy within the fantasy, certain aspects are to be taken with a pinch of salt. Besides with George signing off on it, maybe Vader CAN use lightning now... Bigger things have been ret-conned :)

Henz
04-10-2008, 06:25 PM
This thread is n00b-tastic.

littleman794
04-10-2008, 06:31 PM
This thread is n00b-tastic.

i agreee....lolz

maybe Vader CAN use lightning now...

he can't...the time is set between the III and IV movies....

I understand the fact that the main reason they did it was for multiplayer, but still...........

DAWUSS
04-10-2008, 07:01 PM
Darth Vader MAY have used Force Lightning during the attack on the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, where he still had 3 natural limbs... :P


But I thought Vader's Force Lightning restrictions was nothing more than a theory mentioned in a few author interviews...

Miltiades
04-10-2008, 07:06 PM
The licensed Games and books are fantasy within the fantasy, certain aspects are to be taken with a pinch of salt. Besides with George signing off on it, maybe Vader CAN use lightning now... Bigger things have been ret-conned :)
Oh no! If it does, then I'll... I'll... I don't know what I'll do, but it won't be pretty! Seriously, while I don't think Lucas is always choosing what's best for SW & the EU, some things should be left alone.

littleman794
04-10-2008, 08:01 PM
I strongly agree with Miltiades... :) :) :)

JoeDoe 2.0
04-10-2008, 08:18 PM
^Dude, srsly, just because Vader can use lightning does not mean its the end of the world. The game is based is based on a Sci-Fi universe, and to make it more appealing they may have some little changes.

Astor
04-11-2008, 02:12 AM
I understand the fact that the main reason they did it was for multiplayer, but still...........

Then why keep complaining? You can't change it, so why not just accept it? It is one tiny thing.

adamqd
04-11-2008, 03:57 AM
he can't...the time is set between the III and IV movies....



I know all about when it is set, and what is happening in the SW universe (Maybe a bit too much :)) and I agree with your reasoning, but what I was trying to say is, if George says that Vader can use lightning now (He hasn't to my knowledge, just making a point) then he can, Whether we like it or not GL is the Maker and everything must fit in with his vision of Star Wars, if not, it is considered C or N canon, Nothing is set in stone.

For the record I DON'T think Vader should use Lightning, the established reasons why he can't make sense to me. I'm just trying to explain that things change :)

Miltiades
04-11-2008, 09:47 AM
^Dude, srsly, just because Vader can use lightning does not mean its the end of the world. The game is based is based on a Sci-Fi universe, and to make it more appealing they may have some little changes.
I was just kidding. I don't feel that strongly about it. Should've added a smiley. :)

littleman794
04-11-2008, 11:18 AM
Then why keep complaining? You can't change it, so why not just accept it? It is one tiny thing.

i know, i was just bringing it up, because it is kind of sad...

Jvstice
04-11-2008, 11:26 AM
I know all about when it is set, and what is happening in the SW universe (Maybe a bit too much :)) and I agree with your reasoning, but what I was trying to say is, if George says that Vader can use lightning now (He hasn't to my knowledge, just making a point) then he can, Whether we like it or not GL is the Maker and everything must fit in with his vision of Star Wars, if not, it is considered C or N canon, Nothing is set in stone.

For the record I DON'T think Vader should use Lightning, the established reasons why he can't make sense to me. I'm just trying to explain that things change :)

I guess he could do as major a rewrite as that, but from a keeping fans point of view, that really would be like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs to that vastly undercut his own characterization and people he's licenced to his franchise without some sort of explanation.

Astor
04-11-2008, 12:40 PM
I guess he could do as major a rewrite as that, but from a keeping fans point of view, that really would be like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs to that vastly undercut his own characterization and people he's licenced to his franchise without some sort of explanation.

I severely doubt he would rewrite SW to such a degree, but I think adamqd's point is that, at the end of the day, GL can do what he likes with his creations, and no amount of complaining by fans can stop that.

We should count ourselves lucky - some things have massive rewrites (Enterprise, anyone?)

adamqd
04-11-2008, 12:57 PM
Thats exactly what I'm saying Astor :)

littleman794
04-11-2008, 02:13 PM
GL can do what he likes with his creations, and no amount of complaining by fans can stop that.

I know, but it is still extremely disturbing....do you agree?

Astor
04-11-2008, 02:17 PM
No, I don't. I personally don't have a problem whether Vader can use Lightning or not - there have been bigger controversies in Star Wars.

It's really not worth getting worked up over, man - just play the game when it comes out, and enjoy it! I know I will :)

Nedak
04-11-2008, 02:32 PM
God, this thread is getting annoying.

littleman794
04-11-2008, 02:41 PM
God, this thread is getting annoying.

exactly!!!

It's really not worth getting worked up over, man - just play the game when it comes out, and enjoy it! I know I will :)

i will enjoy it! and your making it sound like im a lot more worked up than i actually am....like i said in the first post: i just thought it was a pretty bad flaw, that is all....

i hope no one here thinks this is an arguement.....it is in fact a debate...

so i hope no one is getting any hard feelings, cuz i still think all you guys are pretty cool and im not trying to make any enemies out of this....

:xp: :xp:

Henz
04-11-2008, 08:04 PM
Oh My God.

This thread was n00b-tastic; now it is just plain retarded.

I'd normally respond: "It's a fantasy film! GET OVER IT!", but it's a GAME based on a fantasy film. It's a whole new level of pointless nitpicking. It may have escaped some people's attention but the whole game is insanely over the top. There's a completely unknown character raping the universe with the force, and some lightning gets up your nose? It's supposed to be a bit of fun.

DAWUSS
04-11-2008, 09:59 PM
Although I will say this:


This debate has NOTHING on the gender alignment on the Exile. Absolutely nothing.

Qwerty Uiop
04-11-2008, 10:51 PM
I know, but it is still extremely disturbing....do you agree?

I think I'll just point to your signature in this case.

Rev7
04-12-2008, 02:01 AM
yes, but it defies Star Wars Logic...
Does Star Wars really have much logic!? Its Star Wars!

Back on topic: It really doesn't matter all that much to me is Darth Vader actually gets to use force lightning in TFU. It will still be an awesome game. I think that if Darth Vader actually can use Force Lightning, it would have been a mistake that would have gone unnoticed...

littleman794
04-12-2008, 12:05 PM
it would have been a mistake that would have gone unnoticed...

yes, that is possible...that, or he is so ripped with the force that he can heal himself so fast that you don't even notice he was hurt......but i dont like that idea, i like the mistake possibility better...

ps, did anyone see the force unleashed on gametrailers tv lastnight??(i watched it on spike tv)

holyhyan
04-13-2008, 01:49 PM
Relax everyone, in the singleplayer, Vader can't, he CAN't use force lightning. The apprentice uses lightning, but instead, Vader gets force choke. In duel mode however, he can use it but that's probably for gameplay and balancing reasons or something.

PoiuyWired
04-13-2008, 02:40 PM
Well, there is generally two ways to do multiplayer.
1) You get different characters with different abilities. You need to balance everyone, do a bunch of playtesting, and balance more. Think Pikachu vs Sonic vs Mario vs Falcon Punch!!!

2) You have AVATARS of different characters. Other than that, everyone is the same. You are either given a set of base abilities, or given a bunch of stuff to choose from, think JK series.

I think they are doing it like the JK series where character models are in no way related to how you play them in multiplayer, theya re just... models. SO you can do stuff like force grip boba or DS ObiWan or Sith JarJar.

littleman794
04-14-2008, 04:41 PM
Relax everyone, in the singleplayer, Vader can't, he CAN't use force lightning. The apprentice uses lightning, but instead, Vader gets force choke. In duel mode however, he can use it but that's probably for gameplay and balancing reasons or something.

well, that's a plus......

GeneralPloKoon
04-15-2008, 09:25 AM
Jeez its just a game, I mean I can't live without lighting, even if Vader can't use it....we all know he owns anyways....

littleman794
04-15-2008, 09:28 AM
yes, but they can't change all history and make it so he can..

Astor
04-15-2008, 10:04 AM
yes, but they can't change all history and make it so he can..

Why not?

adamqd
04-15-2008, 10:47 AM
yes, but they can't change all history and make it so he can..
it's called ret-conn, and they can I'm afraid, I doubt they will though, as said earlier it's just for Game Mechanics...

littleman794
04-15-2008, 12:43 PM
I doubt they will though

yes, that is what i meant....

SecretVader
04-20-2008, 02:04 PM
First off, I don't even see where Vader is using lightning in anything they've showed us so far (except duel mode screens and videos). Vader's choke is exclusive to him, and lightning is given to the apprentice.

I can't believe everyone overeacted over nothing.

EDIT:
Sorry, didn't see the post a couple above me saying the exact same thing.
No hard feelings meant to anyone.

littleman794
04-21-2008, 12:50 PM
it's okay Secret Vader....but i personally dont think we're over-reacting...

we are just having a debate...;)

Ztalker
04-21-2008, 04:25 PM
Well, at a debate, you try to persuade the others by arguments. So far, it's basically nothing more then..."ZOMFG!!11 Vad0r uses lightning! Can't happen!" :xp:

I've seen good proof here that the single player Vader is just the one from the movies, without the lightning. But for 'honest match' reasons, he can use it in multiplayer, without frying his own behind off :)

Let's just leave it at that, shall we, gentleman/ladies?

DAWUSS
04-22-2008, 10:37 AM
Well, MP has less canon status than SP

littleman794
04-22-2008, 12:01 PM
Well, MP has less canon status than SP

what?

adamqd
04-22-2008, 12:25 PM
^^^

Well for example MP has got players from different era's, which cant fight each other unless they can flow walk lol, whereas the SP game will probably have a canon plotline (Be it Darkside, Neutral or Lightside) thus being a higher lvl of canon :)

littleman794
04-22-2008, 12:27 PM
^^^^

i mean what is MP and SP?......im not very smart....

adamqd
04-22-2008, 12:42 PM
Multiplayer and singleplayer ;)

littleman794
04-22-2008, 12:44 PM
oooooooh......okayyyyyy...........DUH!!!!!!!i am sooooo dumb....hehe

thx a lot man.....LOL!!!

Micahc
04-24-2008, 10:52 PM
Why are you so concerned about realism in a game where you use light sabers, fly across the Galaxy faster than the speed of light, shoot lasers, and control an omnipotent energy?

littleman794
04-25-2008, 12:45 PM
Because it breaks Star Wars realism......

adamqd
04-25-2008, 01:15 PM
Google "Han shot first", Ret-Conn's are going on all the time ;). Joking aside, if the Vader using Lightning is just in MP then it's completely acceptable IMO.

littleman794
04-25-2008, 01:54 PM
what does IMO stand for???I are stoopid...:xp:

adamqd
04-25-2008, 02:48 PM
IMO= In my Opinion :)

PoiuyWired
04-25-2008, 03:30 PM
Google "Han shot first", Ret-Conn's are going on all the time ;). Joking aside, if the Vader using Lightning is just in MP then it's completely acceptable IMO.

Yes, and MP are done for fun, not realism. Cause normally Jedi or Sith would not call someone using a gun a "cheating m00b", and Jedis/Siths don't run around carrying flags/yasalamaris from one place to another, and none of them would squeal like those annoying chipmunk kids with balls between a garlic grinder.

Astor
04-25-2008, 05:31 PM
Yes, and MP are done for fun, not realism. Cause normally Jedi or Sith would not call someone using a gun a "cheating m00b", and Jedis/Siths don't run around carrying flags/yasalamaris from one place to another, and none of them would squeal like those annoying chipmunk kids with balls between a garlic grinder.

And most of those things you've mentioned are exactly the reason why I don't play online :lol:

littleman794
04-25-2008, 08:08 PM
Yes.....i strongly understand that it is only for multiplayer......and that makes me very happy!!!

Thrawn
07-09-2008, 09:34 PM
Vader never had his training fully completed by Palpatine because palps wanted to hold onto power for as long as possible. On top of that, you have to have conduits of living tissue to be able to use force lightning. So Vader is screwed on two fronts.

In MOTS, you could play as Vader in multilayer and outfit him with force lightning. Sure it didn't really fit into "reality," but it was still fun.

Rev7
07-10-2008, 12:15 AM
Because it breaks Star Wars realism......
Do you actually believe that Star Wars has any real realism to it? Star Wars breaks a lot of rules....;)

Astor
07-10-2008, 07:51 AM
*Sigh*

Do we really need to go over all this again? Didn't we argue this to death three months ago?

RyuuKage
07-10-2008, 03:56 PM
exactly pho3nix!

so darth vader can NOT use lightning! So they are controdicting the fact that darth vader can not use lightning, no matter how powerful he is with the force.

it's simple logic!!

i think someone should tell them or george lucas...

(")>.<(")
hello? duel mode! it's not canonical so such restrictions aren't very important...in ACTUAL gameplay (as in campaign) he can't use lightning. Instead he gets Choke.

Lord Foley
07-16-2008, 12:30 PM
omfg guyz thay r having liteside karaktrs use forse litening 2!!!1!

Ryazan
08-19-2008, 02:31 PM
He could always have gotten some kind of special apparatus for his prosthetic hands that allow him to cast Force Lightning or at least some kind of energy similar to Force Lightning. Kind of like how Lumiya got her prosthetic arms enhanced with energy bolt launchers.

Juno Eclipse
08-19-2008, 08:36 PM
He could always have gotten some kind of special apparatus for his prosthetic hands that allow him to cast Force Lightning or at least some kind of energy similar to Force Lightning. Kind of like how Lumiya got her prosthetic arms enhanced with energy bolt launchers.

He cannot use lightning! It's just for MP! Vader has no special "apparatus!" :swear:

Ryazan
08-20-2008, 04:06 PM
Calm down, Juno. I meant "maybe".

However, he only seems to be able to access Lightning in Duel Mode, which is non-canon since you can set up matches such as Darth Maul vs. Luke Skywalker in the TIE fighter factory.