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Henz
04-10-2008, 02:17 PM
...Well would you put it past Mr. Lucas?

I'd honestly be fine with it.

I was a kid when the original special editions emerged and then I loved the changes. I'm a vocal supporter of tweaking the Ben vs. Darth Vader fight in Episode 4, because personally I think it's the only thing in the original trilogy that has dated badly and makes no sense against Ep 3.
There could be alternate versions of the new films to sit beside the originals for a (at least) 12 disc boxset, comprising 2 versions of all six films. I know there was stuff about making Episode 1 Yoda CGI. I'd like to see the Padme scenes reinstated into Episode 2 & 3 to add more depth to her character.

Do you think Special Editions for the Prequel trilogy will happen? What do you think of the idea? What would you like to see changed?

Astor
04-10-2008, 02:31 PM
I'm not sure about a special edition, as each of the new trilogy's DVDs have tons of bonus stuff anyway, but I would awfully like to be able to watch Episodes II and III with the deleted scenes in it - that's the only thing I have against Lucas - I love the prequels as much as I love the old trilogy - but some of those scenes (especially those in III) were really quite important to the general back story.

Other film companies put the deleted material into their films - LOTR is a prime example.

And a CGI Yoda in TPM would be excellent - that puppet they used didn't look a thing like Yoda.

adamqd
04-10-2008, 02:55 PM
This isn't really possible now but, I watched AOTC last night (My fav of the PT) and the re-shoots involving Anakin and Especially Obi-Wan are so BAD, Ewan has put on about 20lbs and is clean shaven so he looks like a fat werewolf in the re-shoots, Hayden is also a year older and has put on a lot of muscle... it's very obvious :D
But apart from that I can't see any thing GL would do atm.

BobKenobi
04-10-2008, 04:03 PM
I agree to the main idea of a prequel trilogy special edition.

They should take the prequel trilogy, cutt off all the cgi
and digital FX scenes and replace it with stop motion
and plastic masks like they did on the older trilogy.

furthermore they should ban that hi-end quality
film material on celluloid and let it age artificially.

then it's gonna fit to the old trilogy.
I hate the special edition.

(The analog film fx and stop/go-motion methods
are the one of the main reasons why the star wars
movies are so good)*imho

greetings

bob

Astor
04-10-2008, 04:13 PM
I agree to the main idea of a prequel trilogy special edition.

They should take the prequel trilogy, cutt off all the cgi
and digital FX scenes and replace it with stop motion
and plastic masks like they did on the older trilogy.

furthermore they should ban that hi-end quality
film material on celluloid and let it age artificially.

then it's gonna fit to the old trilogy.
I hate the special edition.

(The analog film fx and stop/go-motion methods
are the one of the main reasons why the star wars
movies are so good)*imho

greetings

bob

So basically, you want GL to jump back in time 33 years? And spend 5 or so years reshooting the entire trilogy?

Henz
04-10-2008, 06:42 PM
Technology ftw!

Duel of the Fates > Original Star Wars

Ben Paddon
04-10-2008, 07:12 PM
Lucas is Lucas. He likes to tweak and fiddle and adjust and smudge and alter until there's virtually nothing left of the original material. I Imagine we'll be "treated" to a special edition of the prequel trilogy some years down the road, but not before he's finished bastardizing the originals.

urluckyday
04-10-2008, 10:50 PM
lol, have a little faith in Georgey boy...I think he made the prequels to his liking...I doubt we'll see any special edition of them ever...besides...I don't think the "special editions" were so bad anyway...I don't think it really affects the movie in a negative way...people just like to complain...

Serpentine Cougar
04-11-2008, 06:26 AM
I'm actually kind of waiting for some sort of 'boxed' set containing the whole series, all 6 of 'em. Whatever changes George wants to make are fine with me, though I don't think the changes would make it that much better (or worse) than it already is.

Henz
04-11-2008, 07:59 PM
I hope Lucas is inclined to tweak at least once more to fix the colours of the lightsabers in the original trilogy. They're all over the bloody place.

GeneralPloKoon
04-13-2008, 10:32 PM
The prequel trilogy will eventually get a special editon, just probably not for another 5-20 years....

Ben Paddon
04-14-2008, 02:47 AM
lol, have a little faith in Georgey boy...I think he made the prequels to his liking...I doubt we'll see any special edition of them ever...besides...I don't think the "special editions" were so bad anyway...I don't think it really affects the movie in a negative way...people just like to complain...
I'm sure that once upon a time people were saying the same thing about the original version of the "classic" trilogy. And the '97 special edition. And the '04 special edition.

Have people actually forgotten that changes were made for the DVD release of The Phantom Menace? He's already tweaked the ruddy film once, and him being Lucas he's likely to do it again. He does have something of a history, y'know...

PoiuyWired
04-14-2008, 10:56 AM
I'm actually kind of waiting for some sort of 'boxed' set containing the whole series, all 6 of 'em. Whatever changes George wants to make are fine with me, though I don't think the changes would make it that much better (or worse) than it already is.

Never never nderestimate GL's ability to ruin the OT/PT with new tweaks, ever.

But I dare not imagine things worse than Han shooting last. Maybe they will replace Vader's voice with some canadian accent, or unify all the looks/voices of stormies, or turn lando white...

adamqd
04-14-2008, 11:15 AM
turn lando white...

lol, he'd get sent in to exile, it would be acceptable to turn Luke Black though... j/k

I wouldn't mind him re-cutting some of the cut content back into ROTS. and correcting all the saber goofs (Wrong colors and hilts etc)

Ben Paddon
04-14-2008, 11:40 AM
Dub over Vader's voice with that of Bill Bailey.

urluckyday
04-14-2008, 08:52 PM
Seriously, even if he did make a "special edition," I'd buy them because every change he's made has been for the better....especially since it's his vision, and it can be made to follow it however he wants...

Ben Paddon
04-14-2008, 10:35 PM
Seriously, even if he did make a "special edition," I'd buy them because every change he's made has been for the better....especially since it's his vision, and it can be made to follow it however he wants...
Wow. Salmon'd for hideous inaccuracy. Lucas made tons of wholly unnecessary changes. Take A New Hope for instance - making Mos Eisley look busier than it had been in the original, for instance, was a bad move - the entire Mos Eisley sequence looks much better in the original version of the film where it seems much less of a cliched scifi bustling metropolis and more of a one-horse town, which is not really the sort of thing that had been done before in American cinematic scifi. And lest we forget the whole "Han Shot First" debacle...

There are a lot of really nice touches, mind. Improving the look of the Landspeeder hovering was a very nice touch, and the CG ships look incredible. There's a lot of generally nice clean-up work which makes the film flow better, but it's the unnecessary changes that largely irritate the "purists" (and, for the record, I'm not one of them). Stuff like insert Hayden Christensen into the end of Return of the Jedi is just... we don't need it. It was fine as it was. But Lucas has to keep adjusting and tweaking and changing, and he's turned an accidental masterpiece into generic pulp scifi.

The Prequel Trilogy is the embodiment of this. There are some good ideas in Episodes I and II, but Tim Bisley was right when he described The Phantom Menace as a "jumped-up firework display of a toy advert." Attack of the Silly Name was equally cack but for entirely different reasons - it felt very much like Lucas had forgotten what sort of film he was supposed to be making. Revenge of the Sith is definitely the highlight of the prequel trilogy but it's hampered by some exceptionally poor dialogue (even still, I rate it better than Return of the Jedi, which is really when things started to go wrong with the Star Wars franchise).

These are observations I've made as a casual fan. Star Wars never resonated with me the way it did with others because it was in many ways before my time (I was born in '86). However, Lucas will continue to work on the films - all six of them. He'll keep finding things he doesn't like with them. And fans far more passionate than I will become more and more enraged with the decisions he makes.

One day, many years from now, someone's going to remake the original trilogy from scratch without any of Lucas' input. Hopefully it'll be someone with more clarity of vision than Lucas.

Astor
04-15-2008, 04:09 AM
Wow. Salmon'd for hideous inaccuracy. Lucas made tons of wholly unnecessary changes. Take A New Hope for instance - making Mos Eisley look busier than it had been in the original, for instance, was a bad move - the entire Mos Eisley sequence looks much better in the original version of the film where it seems much less of a cliched scifi bustling metropolis and more of a one-horse town, which is not really the sort of thing that had been done before in American cinematic scifi. And lest we forget the whole "Han Shot First" debacle...

There are a lot of really nice touches, mind. Improving the look of the Landspeeder hovering was a very nice touch, and the CG ships look incredible. There's a lot of generally nice clean-up work which makes the film flow better, but it's the unnecessary changes that largely irritate the "purists" (and, for the record, I'm not one of them). Stuff like insert Hayden Christensen into the end of Return of the Jedi is just... we don't need it. It was fine as it was. But Lucas has to keep adjusting and tweaking and changing, and he's turned an accidental masterpiece into generic pulp scifi.

The Prequel Trilogy is the embodiment of this. There are some good ideas in Episodes I and II, but Tim Bisley was right when he described The Phantom Menace as a "jumped-up firework display of a toy advert." Attack of the Silly Name was equally cack but for entirely different reasons - it felt very much like Lucas had forgotten what sort of film he was supposed to be making. Revenge of the Sith is definitely the highlight of the prequel trilogy but it's hampered by some exceptionally poor dialogue (even still, I rate it better than Return of the Jedi, which is really when things started to go wrong with the Star Wars franchise).

These are observations I've made as a casual fan. Star Wars never resonated with me the way it did with others because it was in many ways before my time (I was born in '86). However, Lucas will continue to work on the films - all six of them. He'll keep finding things he doesn't like with them. And fans far more passionate than I will become more and more enraged with the decisions he makes.

One day, many years from now, someone's going to remake the original trilogy from scratch without any of Lucas' input. Hopefully it'll be someone with more clarity of vision than Lucas.

I think you missed urluckyday's point. His point, and one which I wholly agree with, is that it's George Lucas' universe - he can do what he likes - he created it, built it from the ground up - pretty much on his own. hell, he even set up a special effects company just to bring it to life.

it felt very much like Lucas had forgotten what sort of film he was supposed to be making.

How do you know what sort of film he was supposed to be making? As I've said, he makes them in accordance with his views - no one elses.

Now, I know what you said is just your opinion, but I don't like it when people complain about something like this. George Lucas hasn't done anything 'wrong', he's done the way he wants.

But, to anyone out there who still feels George Lucas is wrong, I say this to you: YOU GO MAKE A MASSIVELY POPULAR SCI FI SAGA AND SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO MEET UNNECISSARILY HIGH EXPECTATIONS!

Sorry, didn't mean to rant there, just wanted to get that off my chest.

GeneralPloKoon
04-15-2008, 09:12 AM
Nice going Astor!

Ben Paddon
04-15-2008, 10:30 AM
But, to anyone out there who still feels George Lucas is wrong, I say this to you: YOU GO MAKE A MASSIVELY POPULAR SCI FI SAGA AND SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO MEET UNNECISSARILY HIGH EXPECTATIONS!
Not that I'm trying to start an argument here, but I really hate this argument. It falls flat on its face. You do not have to be a musician to appreciate good music, you do not have to be an artist to recognise a great work of art, and you do not have to be a filmmaker to see the glaring flaws in the Special Edition Trilogies.

Yes, Lucas does have the right to go back and adjust his films again and again and again and again, and no doubt he will continue to do so until his arms fall off. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I could go back and tweak every single page of Jump Leads so that each page features an excess of Service Robots, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

Astor
04-15-2008, 10:49 AM
:) Not that I'm trying to start an argument here, but I really hate this argument. It falls flat on its face. You do not have to be a musician to appreciate good music, you do not have to be an artist to recognise a great work of art, and you do not have to be a filmmaker to see the glaring flaws in the Special Edition Trilogies.

I understand your point. I was trying to illustrate, both that it is no doubt immensely hard to create something that would be so popular that it would last 30 years, and that you can't please everyone - there will always be someone who won't like something.

Yes, he added some things to the films that weren't there originally, and some weren't so great - they didn't mesh properly, but, they were part of Lucas' original vision - but technology constraints prevented them from being done in 1977.

Yes, Lucas does have the right to go back and adjust his films again and again and again and again, and no doubt he will continue to do so until his arms fall off. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I could go back and tweak every single page of Jump Leads so that each page features an excess of Service Robots, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

This is where it starts to get hazy - matter like that depend on the point of the view of the person who does it - It may not be a good idea to a spectator, but it might be a good idea to the person who does it - it's mostly down to personal opinion, I guess.

Alexrd
04-16-2008, 06:39 PM
Here's what I would like George Lucas to change on a possible six film box set release:
Episode I - The Phantom Menace:
- Remasterize the film to get a better quality image, like the next 5 films on DVD.
Episode IV - A New Hope:
- Change the blockade runner explosion at the beginning
- Change the lightsaber clashing on the Kenobi vs Vader Duel
- Luke's lightsaber colour inside the Falcon
- Change all bolts shots (from ships and guns) to CGI (some look like cartoon and others don't have the with core like the one's from the prequel)
- Change all Death Star battle sequence including ships and all to CGI
- Change cantina's aliens facial expression
Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back
- Change all bolts shots (from ships and guns) to CGI
- Change some explosions to look more real

- Change Luke's lightsaber in some scenes to have the white core and the Vader's one to look more red rather than pink.
- Change the falcon's pursuit to CGI
- Yoda on CGI
Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
- Change Jabba to CGI
- Change all bolts shots (from ships and guns) to CGI
- Change the space battle sequence to CGI
- Put facial expressions on Ewoks
- Change Luke and Vader's lightsabers (Luke's less shiny, Vader's less pink and both with the white core)
- Change the speeder chase sequence to get more realistic
- Yoda on CGI
And that's all. I hope GL release it with these changes. Maybe many of you may not agree with them but that's just my opinion.

GeneralPloKoon
04-16-2008, 09:31 PM
change the death star battle to CGI....you traitor!

Henz
04-17-2008, 02:58 PM
CG Ep 5 Yoda too? *shakes head*

Fits Astor's point that you can't please everybody though. The only change Lucas has made so far that I didn't get was Greedo shooting first.... makes no sense... but meh.

littleman794
04-17-2008, 03:03 PM
The only change Lucas has made so far that I didn't get was Greedo shooting first...

why did he do that anyway???I guess we'll never know....:confused:

or will we?

Ben Paddon
04-17-2008, 03:10 PM
Well he didn't write Episodes IV or V. He outlined the story but they were written by someone else. He wrote VI, and that's noticeable by a dip in the quality of the dialogue (it's probably the weakest of the original trilogy). Lucas didn't have any Yes Men when IV and V were in development, so if he said, "Hey, let's do this crazy thing!" and people said "Er, no," he's probably gone back and changed it.

littleman794
04-17-2008, 03:13 PM
^well, that's good

:)

Ben Paddon
04-17-2008, 03:21 PM
Actually, it isn't. It's because he had his Yes Men around during episode VI onwards that we ended up with things like Ewoks, Jar Jar, stiff dialogue, Midi-chlorians, Hayden Christensen inserted into the end of RotJ, over nine-thousand instances of "NOOOO!!!", and Princess Leia telling Luke in RotJ that somehow she'd "always known" they were siblings despite the fact that she'd kissed him in ANH. And we wouldn't have had that "I love you" / "I know" exchange from TESB - Lucas originally wanted something a lot wordier from Han, and pretty much everyone, Harrison Ford included, said that was very against character. So it was shortened. They never even shot it.

Lucas is nowhere near the legendary director and storyteller people make him out to be.

littleman794
04-17-2008, 03:25 PM
oh, right....i remember that.....

oook...so, not good..hehe

Astor
04-19-2008, 03:36 AM
Y'know, you'll never enjoy it unless you see past whatever 'flaws' there seem to be (I can't see any, TBH).

Why not just accept it take them for what they are - a good bit of Space Fantasy. I don't care if the actings wooden, or if GL's done it 'wrong'. That man's universe has kept me constantly enthralled for the past 10 years.

They're great films, with great stories, and I for one wouldn't (with the exception of adding deleted scenes) change a thing!

Ben Paddon
04-19-2008, 03:10 PM
Have on Astor, step back a minute. You're telling me that if you had a time machine and could go back to 1998 during production of The Phantom Meance that you wouldn't try to stop Lucas from including Jar Jar? Really?

I used to respect you, man. You used to be cool.

Serpentine Cougar
04-20-2008, 12:06 AM
^ Dude. Ouch.

You could say (if you agree with this article (http://www.jivemagazine.com/column.php?pid=3381)) that it wouldn't be Star Wars if there wasn't anything you disliked about it. So if he changed it and made it "perfect," it wouldn't be Star Wars anymore!

/half-serious

And whatever changes he does make would, for the most part, be aesthetic, anyway; small details that don't change the plot and have the potential to make the movies look cooler but also the potential to annoy a lot of fans (whose inherent nature is to nitpick every little detail).

For example, he changed the ghost in ep 6 to Mr. Christiansen. Now the two trilogies look a slight bit more consistent with each other, but it riled a lot of fans. But it doesn't really change the plot one bit. As far as the story is concerned, it's still the same ghost of the same character. The plot doesn't care if Yoda was a puppet or a CG model, either.

With whatever changes he will or won't make, in effect George is just nitpicking the movies, and we're nitpicking his nitpicking of the movies. It's rather inconsequential, in my opinion. At the end of the day, it's still Star Wars.

PoiuyWired
04-20-2008, 04:07 PM
Have on Astor, step back a minute. You're telling me that if you had a time machine and could go back to 1998 during production of The Phantom Meance that you wouldn't try to stop Lucas from including Jar Jar? Really?

I used to respect you, man. You used to be cool.

Actually I would not mind JarJar if GL would reduce his part to around 25% and requce most of his dialogues. He is just too overplayed.

Gurges-Ahter
05-13-2008, 02:25 PM
Y'know, you'll never enjoy it unless you see past whatever 'flaws' there seem to be (I can't see any, TBH).

Why not just accept it take them for what they are - a good bit of Space Fantasy. I don't care if the actings wooden, or if GL's done it 'wrong'. That man's universe has kept me constantly enthralled for the past 10 years.

They're great films, with great stories, and I for one wouldn't (with the exception of adding deleted scenes) change a thing!
Well said, Astor. It's easy for us to sit back and complain as nit-picking fans, but the fact is that we are here on a SW board still complaining about the movies, and we wouldn't even be here unless we loved the movies in some way.

Ben Paddon
05-13-2008, 02:40 PM
Well said, Astor. It's easy for us to sit back and complain as nit-picking fans, but the fact is that we are here on a SW board still complaining about the movies, and we wouldn't even be here unless we loved the movies in some way.

We wouldn't be here were it not for the original trilogy. If Lucas had chosen not to make the prequels, would we still be here? Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Of course we (clucking - Ed.) would.

The prequel trilogy is something that was thrust upon us after years of anticipation and mostly failed to live up to expectations. RotS was good, and so far as I'm concerned was actually better than Return of the Jedi (which is the weak link in the original trilogy), but it doesn't redeem the first two films. TPM was a two-hour toy commercial. It was terrible. AotC has some redeeming qualities but is still structurally unsound.

That said, you clearly can't please everyone. The people who enjoy the prequels will always reach for the standard "oh, the people who didn't like it just like to whine" argument. The people who didn't enjoy them will usually refer to the people who did as "casual" fans, and there's no middle ground there. The prequel trilogy has done something much worse than enraging a bunch of scifi fans. The prequel trilogy has split the community in much the same way Star Trek: Enterprise split the Trek community. I don't doubt that the Clone Wars movie and the impending television series - both of them - won't split the fandom further. We have a future of (stitching - Ed.), moaning and arguing ahead of us.

I hope you're all looking forward to it.

Gurges-Ahter
05-13-2008, 02:53 PM
Those are all valid points. I certainly enjoyed the OT more than the prequels, and I agree that RotS was the only comparable movie in quality (and probably better than RotJ), but I still loved the prequels because they are part of the SW Universe, and for as much as people complain about them, they do have some redeeming qualities. They are only scrutinized so much because the fan base is so devoted.

Either way, I don't mind people scrutinizing the films beyond belief - it's to their own detriment in my opinion. I'll enjoy additions to the SW Universe.

adamqd
05-13-2008, 03:21 PM
They are only scrutinized so much because the fan base is so devoted

Agreed

Either way, I don't mind people scrutinizing the films beyond belief - it's to their own detriment in my opinion. I'll enjoy additions to the SW Universe.

QFT,

I enjoy the prequels, and I enjoy the OT, and I can separate them, see them as a 6 part saga or whatever, It's how George wanted them, and I accept that, but some people cant... they expected George to bring out something for them, as a personal thank you for 23 years service, ESB part II etc, and when he didn't.... lets just say there were a lot of tearful 40 year olds lol. the prequels were for the next generation.

Gurges-Ahter
05-13-2008, 04:45 PM
the prequels were for the next generation.
That's a good point, although I'd argue that the prequels were aimed at both the next generation and the "tearful 40 year olds". Perhaps that's why they are criticized so heavily, because they tried to cater to both. The problem with that strategy is that the areas that were as good as the OT, or at least were done in the same style, are forgotten by most because of things like Jar-Jar Binks.

Henz
05-16-2008, 04:05 PM
George Lucas has one hell of a vision, and he's a great editor. I think the prequels aren't as bad as the rap they get. Lucas was too powerful to make them as well as they should have been sadly, because he was surrounded by yes men.

adamqd
05-16-2008, 04:58 PM
Lucas was too powerful to make them as well as they should have been sadly, because he was surrounded by yes men.

I completely love all six films, but I agree with the yes men point.

Rev7
05-24-2008, 03:48 PM
I think that it will probably happen eventually. Not anytime soon, but eventually.

PoiuyWired
05-25-2008, 03:02 PM
George Lucas has one hell of a vision, and he's a great editor. I think the prequels aren't as bad as the rap they get. Lucas was too powerful to make them as well as they should have been sadly, because he was surrounded by yes men.

Definitely. GL is good, but far from perfect. GL have the vision, he got a great idea of a epic story (modified by good opinions back then) and an eye of cool visual effects and colorful characters and memorable scenes.

On the other hand, We all know that GL sucks at writing dialogues, he was sucky at it back in the OT, and the OT dialogues we know and see are edited by the ators and "a certain now great director" and what not. But now, no one dares to complain about the dialogues being unreasonable, or could have been better, or... its all the yes men you get from jabba's palace.

Obvious difference in style would be the famous:
"I love you."
"I know"
which is edited by other opinions, versus the crappy so-called love scenes between Anakin and Padme with the worst dialogues ever. If that is any indication to GL's ability to romance, i weep for Mrs. Lucas.


Same can be said about the overabundance of eyecandy scenes in PT and the overly loaded humor sequences (like JarJar, and more)

Oh, and bad/mediocore acting.

MachineCult
05-31-2008, 07:28 PM
I could definitely see prequel special editions happening. Hopefully there will be at least an attempt to cut out Jar Jar, he had very little impact on the storyline so theres a chance it could be done.

M@RS
05-31-2008, 07:38 PM
I could definitely see prequel special editions happening. Hopefully there will be at least an attempt to cut out Jar Jar, he had very little impact on the storyline so theres a chance it could be done.

Actually he played one big role in Ep. 3 when he offers Palpatine emergency powers

and of course there will be a special edition, probably to make more money...

Gurges-Ahter
06-01-2008, 12:35 AM
Jar-Jar also led Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon to the Gungans, and commanded a Gungan army against the droid army on Naboo. I'd say those were pretty important parts to the story.

MachineCult
06-01-2008, 09:51 AM
Actually he played one big role in Ep. 3 when he offers Palpatine emergency powers

Lmao, thats what you call a big role? All they have to do is have a different senator offer them to him, and they probably still have the original film so they could just put a different CG character over the top of that black guy.

Serpentine Cougar
06-02-2008, 12:46 AM
Maybe he's not important in later episodes, but he's integral to the story of Episode 1.

M@RS
06-02-2008, 12:48 AM
and besides at points Jar-jar is pretty funny, (mainly because he's so dumb in ep.1)

MachineCult
06-02-2008, 10:15 AM
Maybe he's not important in later episodes, but he's integral to the story of Episode 1.

In what way?

M@RS
06-02-2008, 12:22 PM
he trips over everything, he sets of a droid, in watto's shop, and he tries to steal some food in front of the shop owner.

Sivy
06-03-2008, 06:50 AM
i would like to see a few changes to the prequels...

Ep I -

cgi yoda and give jar-jar an alien voice and subtitles. tidy up some of the effects... for insistence speed up obi-wan's jump over darth maul.

ep II - put the Ki-Adi-Mundi & Plo Koon driod ship scene in. cut some of the anakin & padme romance stuff out - we know they dig each other so there's no need for it all.
extend the anakin v dooku duel, there was loads cut out. and speed up anakin's arm being cut off, looks like it happening in slow motion.

ep III - not much to do here. maybe take out vader's 'noooooooo'

M@RS
06-03-2008, 09:14 AM
You need to take that to LucasArts man, they may just do it.

MachineCult
06-03-2008, 09:56 AM
he trips over everything, he sets of a droid, in watto's shop, and he tries to steal some food in front of the shop owner.

Hardly integral plot points.

M@RS
06-03-2008, 09:59 AM
He's just a funny character that's all, I don't think he should be taken out of Ep. 1 that's all.

Sivy
06-03-2008, 10:33 AM
Obvious difference in style would be the famous:
"I love you."
"I know"


apparently that came about by happy accident. harrison was supposed to say "i love you too" but after many many takes he was getting more and more frustrated until when carrie said "i love you" he said "yeah i know" and Kershner liked it.

and like you said, thats one of the big difference between the prequels and the OT in terms of dialogue, whereas empire and jedi had different directors there was more room for ad-libbing or making changes when something doesn't sit right. in the prequels, with GL running the show, i doubt any of the actors said to Lucas "i can't say this!" or "how about i try saying this instead"

M@RS
06-03-2008, 10:41 AM
That's kind of funny, looks like Han got arrogant and Leia still married eventually...

MachineCult
06-03-2008, 06:56 PM
He's just a funny character that's all, I don't think he should be taken out of Ep. 1 that's all.

Well you're a very small minority.

...one of the big difference between the prequels and the OT in terms of dialogue, whereas empire and jedi had different directors there was more room for ad-libbing or making changes when something doesn't sit right.

Thats true, but i'll tell you the biggest difference between the OT and PT; Harrison Ford.
Great actor, probably the best in the OT and a huge amount of screen time in all three of the movies, he made the OT.

PoiuyWired
06-04-2008, 06:05 PM
He's just a funny character that's all, I don't think he should be taken out of Ep. 1 that's all.

Well, I agree.

He should not be "taken out" of ep1, but his roles should be reduced. He can still be a bit silly once in a while, that I don't mind. But seriously most can see that many of the silly things he do have nothing to do with the plot, and is breaking the flow of the story rather than positive things like "easing tension" and "lightening the atmosphere"

Serpentine Cougar
06-05-2008, 12:13 AM
In what way?
He led Qui-gon and Obi-wan to the Gungan city, where they got a transport to Theed. Without Jar-jar, it would've taken them a lot longer to get there. Also, had he not said anything, Padme and everybody never would have found the Gungans, who wouldn't help them by creating their diversion. Then Padme and her guards would have had a lot harder time getting into Theed with all the droids there. Jar-jar was important in making the climax possible.

TripHammer
06-05-2008, 11:36 AM
Yeah.. as much as Jar Jar is hated by some.. he does fill holes in the story line... He did make a motion to give Palpy Supreme Executive powers. Pivotal to the story. What other character could have been manipulated to do that? I don't mind Jar Jar.