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Kilppari
05-04-2008, 07:51 AM
On my second playthrough I chose two-handed weapon fighting feats for my sentinel and now I am wondering should I take two lightsaber or double-bladed? Which one is more effective?

JCarter426
05-04-2008, 10:22 AM
Two lightsabers (one regular and one short) are more effective, since you can upgrade them individually.

Gurges-Ahter
05-04-2008, 10:26 AM
I think two lightsabers provides better defense as well.

Ztalker
05-05-2008, 10:40 AM
Yeah, you'll suffer a penalty from duel wielding, and upgrading two individual sabers will negate that more then a single double bladed saber can. :)

Plus, if you want to go cool, two sabers is the way, even Kavar does it! :D

Gurges-Ahter
05-05-2008, 10:46 AM
Yeah two lightsabers is definitely the cool way to go...

I only wish that KotOR let you customize a hilt. I heard that TFU might allow for hilt customization...

Ctrl Alt Del
05-05-2008, 04:57 PM
Two lightsabers (one regular and one short) are more effective, since you can upgrade them individually.
I used to think that too. But, recently, I've realized that, if you got two particularly powerful crystals, wouldn't it be better to use them on your currently using sabers (double-bladed) instead of using those on one of the sabers and using some other crystal, that's more mediocre on the other blade? (Single-bladed)

Gurges-Ahter
05-05-2008, 04:58 PM
I used to think that too. But, recently, I've realized that, if you got two particularly powerful crystals, wouldn't it be better to use them on your currently using sabers (double-bladed) instead of using those on one of the sabers and using some other crystal, that's more mediocre on the other blade? (Single-bladed)
I prefer to get 4 particularly powerful crystals and use 2 on each saber.

JCarter426
05-05-2008, 05:11 PM
I used to think that too. But, recently, I've realized that, if you got two particularly powerful crystals, wouldn't it be better to use them on your currently using sabers (double-bladed) instead of using those on one of the sabers and using some other crystal, that's more mediocre on the other blade? (Single-bladed)
Having two sabers means you get twice the upgrades. ;) Especially in K2, since you can upgrade the lightsaber itself in addition to the crystals.

Ctrl Alt Del
05-05-2008, 05:20 PM
Having two sabers means you get twice the upgrades. ;) Especially in K2, since you can upgrade the lightsaber itself in addition to the crystals.
I prefer to get 4 particularly powerful crystals and use 2 on each saber.
Yes, I'm well aware you don't get twice the upgrades on one saber. But let's suppose you have two powerful crystals and the others are crap. Isn't it better to use the two crystals on one lightsaber (double-bladed) instead of using a good one and a fairly crappy other? (One on each hand)

JCarter426
05-05-2008, 05:29 PM
Depends on what kind of crystal we're talking about. If it does additional damage or attack, then it would be better on a double-bladed. If it's just an attribute booster, then it doesn't matter.

And it's better to stick with a single saber until late in the game, when your base attack is high enough and when you've built up the dual weapon feats, and by then odds are you'll have a few decent crystals anyway. And in K2, the lightsaber hilt bonuses are far better than the crystal bonuses anyway.

Gurges-Ahter
05-05-2008, 05:35 PM
How about using 1 powerful crystal on each saber? Not sure how that would compare to using them both on the double-bladed saber.

Ctrl Alt Del
05-05-2008, 05:35 PM
And it's better to stick with a single saber until late in the game, when your base attack is high enough and when you've built up the dual weapon feats, and by then odds are you'll have a few decent crystals anyway.
Yes, I agree with that. No way I go double-bladed before achieving mastery on the dual weapons feat.

HK-52
05-05-2008, 05:46 PM
Normally double-bladed, but sometimes I use 2 sabers, one with a great damage and another to boost my skills and my attributes

Gothic90
05-07-2008, 09:23 AM
Depends on what kind of crystal we're talking about. If it does additional damage or attack, then it would be better on a double-bladed. If it's just an attribute booster, then it doesn't matter.

And it's better to stick with a single saber until late in the game, when your base attack is high enough and when you've built up the dual weapon feats, and by then odds are you'll have a few decent crystals anyway. And in K2, the lightsaber hilt bonuses are far better than the crystal bonuses anyway.

I think you can easily build up the dual weapon feats before you get a lightsaber. You usually have to be on the first planet after Telos, and would be about level 13 or so. By then even a Consular could have built up his dual weapon feats.

Having two sabers means you get twice the upgrades. ;) Especially in K2, since you can upgrade the lightsaber itself in addition to the crystals.

That's true only for the emitter ;) Parts which increases attack and damage only affect one blade. Well, if you get some particular powerful stat-increasing crystals such as Kaliburr and Ankkares Sappihere, Jar'kai is the way to go.

The biggest advantage of double-blade in K2 is that for every strength modifier you get 1.5 damage on your mainhand. For people whose strength is high, actually double-blade will deal very serious damage to your opponent.

Sgt. Strike
05-07-2008, 12:24 PM
I myself prefer two sword, guns, or even sabers, except for Mandalore, HK-47, and Kreia. But when I go to two sabers, on my main character, I just use two sabers, not the 4 swords I use, as there aren't all that many droids left to kill. Until close to Malachor. Once I get there, I switch out the saber that does a lot of blaster reflecting, to one that does about the same damage as my main saber. The crystals add some to damage, but so does the emitters, lens, and power cell. I go for additional critical damage when I am working up a saber. (double-bladed sabers make good components, when you need them.)

Wedge Suron
05-07-2008, 04:13 PM
I actually prefer single things, whether it be Swords or Lightsabers. - I have mods that replaces the droids -

Arcesious
05-07-2008, 07:03 PM
Two blades provides for more better effectiveness in battle, IE, about 1080* of defense/attack coverage, while a doubleblade provides about 720* of defense/attack coverage. Doubleblade provides for excellent assaults, but poor defense, while two blades provides for excellent defense and combat adaptability. That's why I choose two lightsabers instead of a doubleblade.

Jae Onasi
05-08-2008, 03:06 AM
Not necessarily. First of all, I'm not sure where you got the 1080 and 720 numbers. If you think you can block behind you with any kind of saber style, that would be a mistake--our anatomy doesn't allow us to do that. You also always want to keep your enemy in front of you, not to your side or back.

Double blade can defend as well as attack--you simply block with the blade. Having actually fought with both 1 and 2 rapiers....two blade style isn't about defense at all, it's all about attack, though you can use one or both blades to block an incoming attack. Your goal in that style is to get the guy distracted or his blade pulled off to one side with one of your blades and then nail him with the other blade.

I always carry 2 sabers in Kotor and TSL. Why? With a single blade you get 3 upgrades (3 crystals or 2 components and a crystal). With double-blade you get 3 upgrades. When you have 2 single blades, that means you have 6 upgrades--an advantage if you want something in your off hand for blaster bolt deflection or attribute bonuses, etc.

kotorfan84
05-08-2008, 05:20 AM
When ever I played as revan, I used two light sabers. He was too much of a bad *** to use one. When I played as the exile, I one single blade light saber (more traditional jedi look).

Gothic90
05-09-2008, 01:32 AM
When ever I played as revan, I used two light sabers. He was too much of a bad *** to use one. When I played as the exile, I one single blade light saber (more traditional jedi look).

Well, surely Palpatine is more of a bad *** than Revan...
and Bastila is surely so nice that she could not use only one blade...

Da_man
05-09-2008, 01:39 AM
And it's better to stick with a single saber until late in the game, when your base attack is high enough and when you've built up the dual weapon feats, and by then odds are you'll have a few decent crystals anyway. And in K2, the lightsaber hilt bonuses are far better than the crystal bonuses anyway.

Thats what I usually do, partly because I can't find a second saber. :xp: I also noticed that you have to build the hilt upgrades yourself, and that usually falls on Bao-Dur or Kreia to do that. Why are the one-handed people good at making stuff?

Wedge Suron
05-21-2008, 03:30 PM
I decided to try 2 bladed Lightsabers on my Exile and I did quite well.

Although it could have something to do with the feat mods I have. :lol:

JCarter426
05-21-2008, 03:52 PM
Thats what I usually do, partly because I can't find a second saber. :xp:
Yeah, that too. :D Honestly, sometimes it feels like I never get a short saber, while other times they're the only ones I'll get! Sometimes I have to resort to using an Echani vibroblade, if I'm lucky enough to have picked one up (or after I've modded it into normal gameplay :D). Really nice weapon; stronger than a lightsaber when upgraded (assuming the lightsaber itself isn't upgraded ;)), and it has a pretty good critical threat range.

I also noticed that you have to build the hilt upgrades yourself, and that usually falls on Bao-Dur or Kreia to do that. Why are the one-handed people good at making stuff?
Hey, what about T3? He has no hands. :p I usually have them make some of the upgrades (Kreia is my Treat Injury, Stealth, and Awareness slave, while Bao-dur takes care of Repair, Demolitions, and Security), but I also like to have my Exile have as many skill points as possible in most areas (I ignore TA and Stealth after getting a few points in each...more than I probably need), because the Exile does end up alone on more than one situation, and Obsidian wasn't as stingy as BioWare was with workbenches in such situations. :p While slogging through the Jekk'Jekk Tarr, I usually gain one or two levels (I'm estimating here), and usually I'm able to reach the next upgrade level once I find the workbench. More helpful to have them sooner, in the middle of a fight, rather than have the two stooges do it later. Maybe I'm just impatient. :D

DAWUSS
05-21-2008, 06:11 PM
Revan got 2 lightsabers, Exile got 1 double-bladed lightsaber

jawathehutt
05-26-2008, 02:50 PM
Bastila and handmaiden always had a doublesaber, everyone else duel wielded or single bladed

Ben Bryddia
07-08-2008, 03:52 PM
I prefer Jar'kai personally (in both reality and the games) as I always find double-blading it rather unnatural looking. In game 2 it really hits harder once I've gotten the Ruusan and 'Exile' crystals and the latter starts to 'earn interest', than my Force powers start to skyrocket. The downside is I get to powerful and then there's no fun in fighting the hordes of foes like there is on the starforge.
Defense, when one plays as a Force wielder in game 2, is more economic than enormous attack because I relegate most attribute points to wisdom, charisma, and dexterity. What I'm trying to say is that I use my sabers to up my lightening and defense as I prefer just zapping a room clean rather than duking it out with every single Sith assassin. Plus with two sabers I can have silver and cyan blades simulataniously!

Rabish Bini
07-09-2008, 01:31 AM
Obviously 2 blades gives you more power, but the games not that hard, and Double-Bladed is way cooler than 2 lightsabers.

So, it's up to you, I ALWAYS go Double-bladed though...

TheExile
07-09-2008, 02:41 AM
Well, I i divide my party in groups of 2 members: Atton-Mira, Kreia-Visas, Mandalore-Handmaiden, etc. and I take duals and I give one guy a single hilt in one slot and an very upgraded and powerful pistol in the other slot and I give the other guy a double in one slot and a rifle/gun in the other slot.

IMO: they are all cool and advantageous in their way, but I keep duals because I use duals at martial arts and I also use duals at any other Star Wars game...

bally3000
08-05-2008, 02:48 PM
i prefere to use a double bladed one but i have done it with 2 sabers and doing itnow with a double and i seem to be doing better but tht could also be experiance lol!

Salzella
08-05-2008, 02:59 PM
Double blades are certainly more effective because of the extra crystals and so and so forth, but from a cool-factor point of view, they don't compared to a saberstaff. Two blades always seemed a bit impractical for someone in the Exile's position.

However, cool people use single-bladed 'sabers. 'Natch.

TKA-001
08-05-2008, 04:25 PM
Two blades always seemed a bit impractical for someone in the Exile's position.
Why for the Exile's position specifically?

Gurges-Ahter
08-05-2008, 05:05 PM
Single blade is the way to go, IMO, but it does look pretty effing awesome when 6 lightsabers are activated at once at the beginning of a fight.

Salzella
08-05-2008, 05:11 PM
Why for the Exile's position specifically?

The whole on-a-quest, one-man/woman-against-the-galaxy, on-the-run sort of scenario suggest, to me, no need for the addition of a second lightsaber, as the Jar'Kai suggest - again, to me - the luxury of being able to let yourself go, whereas a single saber says defensive. all imo of course, and I don't know if anyone else feels the same way.

bally3000
08-05-2008, 05:23 PM
well i like having differewnt colours when i have two sabers lol but i get bored of one saber i know it sounds wierd but i just think that everybody else uses it and i like to be diferent lol! but i love unarmed fighting but i have never used a female exile before so i thought i would try it but i forgot u didn't get the handmaden and forgotten to train on telos first... sorry that was a bit off the convo lol!

Darth_Yuthura
08-05-2008, 05:58 PM
I like twin lightsabers because they are easier to fight with than a staff you can't touch and have to avoid being touched with. Single sabers are just more manageable and less dangerous to the user.

bally3000
08-05-2008, 06:41 PM
That would be funny, "eeerrrr.... Darth maul, what happened to your arm..?"
"well i was spinning around my saber around and well i forgot it was a double and i cut it off" hahahahaha... but a single one would be easier to use =D

Darth Xander
08-11-2008, 07:23 AM
When I'm playing TSL sometimes it is best to set two sabers as your secondary weapon and a double blade as your first so you can ust swap at a touch of a button.

~Xander

Gurges-Ahter
08-11-2008, 10:23 AM
When I'm playing TSL sometimes it is best to set two sabers as your secondary weapon and a double blade as your first so you can ust swap at a touch of a button.

~Xander
But that leaves no option for just a single blade :)

Darth_Yuthura
08-11-2008, 11:22 AM
But that leaves no option for just a single blade :)

If your character is already proficient with two bladed weapons, then a single saber would be restrictive.

You can use a single saber for up to two attacks per round(with flurry), but up to four w/master speed. You can get up to five w/two/double bladed weapons. Although they are not as effective as each attack by a single blade, the fact you get another more than makes up for that. The wisdom and blaster deflection abilities are also much greater w/two sabers.

The double is restricted in number of deflection/wisdom upgrades, but it is more economic than two sabers. The only catch is that double MUST be used a character w/mastery two handed weapons. The single sabers could be distributed to two characters w/out those feats.

Gurges-Ahter
08-11-2008, 11:40 AM
Agreed, 100%. But I like to use single saber just because I feel that is more Jedi, and the game is already easy enough. I do go double saber at times though, because it makes the battle end sooner.

bally3000
08-13-2008, 08:41 PM
i only resently figured out i can change the dufficulty so i have always been playing it on meduim, so i kinda found the game hard at first but i got the use of it know =] and have for a few years lol. but my first play through used a single blade and i kept dying, but i might try it again now i have more experiance. i think to blades isn't very jedi, but that might be because its not in the film lol! i use double =D

Darth_Yuthura
08-13-2008, 09:13 PM
Why are two blades getting such a bad rep?

I think they are the most formidable of the three there are. The saberstaff is most difficult to use because it doesn't provide the leverage of a real staff. The twin sabers don't provide the leverage of two hands on one saber, but allows for a defensive and offensive saber... increasing reliability and ability over one. If a saberstaff can be broken apart, then...

Corinthian
08-13-2008, 09:54 PM
You're using real-world physics to talk about Star Wars, Yuthura. Bit of an issue there.

Da_man
08-13-2008, 09:57 PM
Threr's always an issue when you try and bring Star Wars into the real world. Thats why there are no real lightsabers.

Darth_Yuthura
08-13-2008, 10:07 PM
Well the real world physics are what the lightsaber revolves around in the SW universe. If it doesn't look possible, then doesn't it look fake on the screen? Would you watch it if the special effects were terrible? If the lightsaber battles didn't follow physics?

Corinthian
08-13-2008, 10:28 PM
They DON'T follow physics. They're using precognition, telekinesis, telepathy, electrokinesis, and Lord knows what else, and the Lightsaber makes even less sense - the only explanation that makes any sense whatsoever is it being a plasma chainsaw contained within a magnetic barrier. I really don't care about the Laws of Physics when I'm being entertained, though.

Darth_Yuthura
08-13-2008, 10:32 PM
Well I'm sure you would be more interested in a fight that follows real physics than one that doesn't conform to any skill of any real martial art. I don't see why people judge SW fights w/out knowing anything about them. (or the real thing)

Burnseyy
08-14-2008, 12:32 AM
I don't think it depends on the actual sabers, it depends on your class and your feats/skills.
Obviously if you don't have the right ones, that particular saber isn't suited to you.
If it was a thread about 'coolness' it'd be the double saber. If it was a thread about 'which is more star warsy' people would pick single saber.

if its just saying which is the best, then it's biased, depending on what you prefered in the game, not what's true. Really, there is no 'best', it depends on the person. Isn't that how the saying goes? "An artist doesn't blame his tools."

Astor
08-14-2008, 06:29 AM
They DON'T follow physics. They're using precognition, telekinesis, telepathy, electrokinesis, and Lord knows what else, and the Lightsaber makes even less sense - the only explanation that makes any sense whatsoever is it being a plasma chainsaw contained within a magnetic barrier. I really don't care about the Laws of Physics when I'm being entertained, though.

Don't forget that the lightsaber blade itself is completely weightless, making even less sense in regard to real-world physics.

Really, it's just better to completely disregard physics, and all science when watching Sci-Fi films. You'll actually enjoy it that way.

bally3000
08-14-2008, 07:23 AM
if its just saying which is the best, then it's biased, depending on what you prefered in the game, not what's true. Really, there is no 'best', it depends on the person. Isn't that how the saying goes? "An artist doesn't blame his tools."

i was about to say that ^^ but i was gonna word it different.

i also agree with Darth_ yuthara that i would ejoy a agame more if it used real lif phisiscs but i also enjoy that unrealistic slant of it where theres alot of real time in it but then i caracter does freakishly huge jump and attacks them =D

oh and by the way i didn't mean to make it out like i disliked the 2 blades as such because they were my first proper play through blades an i would never change that :evil5:

Q
08-14-2008, 08:18 AM
I think that it's worth mentioning again that single-bladed sabers have double the base critical threat range of double-bladed ones (19-20 vs. 20-20), which is why I prefer to use two singles instead of a double. They double the chance of a critical hit. ;)

Corinthian
08-14-2008, 10:50 AM
Now, see, what we need to get in KotoR is Keen and Improved Critical so I can use a Lightscythe and take Jedi Weapon Master to get a 15-20 x5 critical hit.

Astor
08-14-2008, 10:53 AM
Now, see, what we need to get in KotoR is Keen and Improved Critical so I can use a Lightscythe and take Jedi Weapon Master to get a 15-20 x5 critical hit.

If you get that, I want 'light-chucks' :xp:

Q
08-14-2008, 11:22 AM
Now, see, what we need to get in KotoR is Keen and Improved Critical so I can use a Lightscythe and take Jedi Weapon Master to get a 15-20 x5 critical hit.We already have most of that already. The nextor(K1&2), velmorite(?)(K2) and Ankarres sapphire(K2) crystals as well as a couple of the lenses available in K2 all have the Keen property, and the Critical Strike feat tree is the same as Improved Critical but with three levels instead of one or two. The only thing missing is the x5 damage bonus because it's stuck at x2. But I'm sure that you already knew all of that. ;)

Corinthian
08-14-2008, 11:25 AM
Nunchaku aren't that good. 1d6 damage, x2 criticals with no extended range, and +2 to Disarm Checks, and you have to be either a Monk or take Exotic Weapon Proficiency. Better off using a Lightwhip, really. Worse damage, but you get a free feat and it's got range.

ChAiNz.2da
08-14-2008, 11:42 AM
If you get that, I want 'light-chucks' :xp:

hehehe.. every time I hear "light-chucks" this pic (http://www.warcraftmovies.com/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/imagemanager/images/51943/monty_python_2__limbless_black_knight.jpg) comes to mind :lol:

As far as topic.. I tend to play either single balde.. or dual wield.

Never been a huge fan of the double-bladed saber.. well, except one (http://gallery147761.fotopic.net/p12567097.html) ;)

bally3000
08-20-2008, 03:06 PM
me like that blade =] i wish u could get it in the game =[ but i do enjoy dual wielding blades i just prefer double a bit more