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Cyne
05-20-2008, 11:31 PM
Greetings,

I read over the latest article by Cameron Suey as to why Force Unleashed is NOT going to be released for PC. It''s very puzzling and makes a fan such as myself very angry, Reasons:

1) The Jedi Knight series started out on PC. Force Unleashed will probably be one of the best Star Wars titles ever released. Stupid move to leave out the original PC fan base.

2) Suey: "The PC being the gaming platform that it is, someone with a $4,000 high-end system would definitely be able to play the Euphoria, the DMM and really technical elements of the game. But someone with a low-end PC would have a watered down experience, they would have to turn all the settings down and it wouldn’t be the same game."

-This statement is COMPLETELY preposterous. The PC has the power to unlock the game's FULL POTENTIAL. You can go out and buy a high-end video card like the Geforce 8800 GT or GTS 512mb for less than $200. I can't see this game being anymore demanding than games such as Crysis, and these cards run Crysis superbly. I'd also like to mention that it is coming out for DS & N-Gage. These low-end handheld systems don't even support the technologies of TFU, nor do they come close to comparing to even a mid-range PC. So, saying PC users would have a "watered down experience" is complete non-sense.

3) Suey: "That said we’re definitely not out of the PC market. It’s just with our choice for this game, with the known quantity for the consoles, and every console is the same with the same processing power, it made sense for us to develop for those consoles."

-It would make more sense to make the game for as many platforms as possible for the widest base possible (esp. PC). It would also allow people like myself (who has been a dedicated PC enthusiast with no interest in consoles for years) to play the game without having to spend $500 on a console that will only end up being used for 1 game. Vice Versa would also be true.

-Cyne

Boba Rhett
05-21-2008, 02:10 AM
Don't fret too much. Once it comes out I doubt you'll be nearly as upset as you are right now.

It's not really a grand mystery. LucasArts simply doesn't want to bother making it for the pc because the return on their investment wouldn't be nearly that what it is on consoles and handhelds.

Ali1392
05-21-2008, 04:00 AM
its not just the graphics cards there thinking about the processers would be stretched on some computers because of the euphoria and the other systems on this.

adamqd
05-21-2008, 07:11 AM
Lucasarts reasons for no PC version..."For us, ultimately it was... technologies like Pixelux, DMM (Digital Molecular Matter) and Euphoria are so processor intensive and powerful that the kind of machine you'd need to run them is not the kind of machine most people are going to have. It's such an advanced spec that we feel we really needed to do it justice. If we pulled that stuff out and delivered a sub-par experience"...

"We also felt that was a wrong approach as people are going to miss out on this. We didn't want to do it [the PC version] half-way. Every platform is getting a great game and they should all be able to stand-alone; we didn't want to deliver a sub-par experience for PC gamers".

Prime
05-21-2008, 10:40 AM
I think that statement is only half true.

Sivy
05-21-2008, 10:55 AM
basically they can't be bothered.

firstly they would have to port it, then make it stable on a variety of system set-ups. then beta test for awhile, then iron out bugs they've found. then continue supporting the game after release, with patches and whatnot.
too much work for them and not enough return.
unfortunately i think this will become a common trend.

PoiuyWired
05-21-2008, 04:52 PM
Or, it is suggested by the "lets be fair to the Wii players and punish the 360/PS3 players" poodoo licking warts in LucasArts. Half-Arsed excuses... seems like the same guy to me. That person deserved to be placed in a Vong's House of Fun for eternalty.

Personally, if they can make a PS2 version it would be easy to make just an emulated version for the PC. Lego Starwars sort of do it in that sense.

Boba Rhett
05-21-2008, 05:23 PM
Well hell, why don't they just port the DS version to pc?


There's about four pc gamers that would be happy with a PS2 port to PC. I don't think the PS2 players will even be happy with the PS2 version.

TKA-001
05-21-2008, 06:03 PM
I agree with Wired. Make them suffer.

Cyne
05-21-2008, 08:37 PM
Exactly. How can they develop such an "Advanced" game with "Latest, Cutting Edge Technologies" for platforms like DS, N-Gage, PS2, PSP, even Wii and leave out PC? How can TFU on these platforms NOT be a "Watered Down Experience"? Look at Crysis, for example. It sold what, over 1.5 million copies for PC alone and has only been on the market since November 2007. Not that I'm saying these low-end platforms suck, but developing an advanced, graphically-intesive game like TFU for those and not PC is completely and utterly stupid in all honesty. I've been a fan of the Jedi Knight series ever since the very first one came out for PC years and years ago. Now it seems Lucas Arts have turned their backs on the original, die-hard, loyal fans... shame.

-Cyne

M@RS
05-22-2008, 12:03 AM
I totally agree with you Cyne, we should make a petition telling Lucasarts to make TFU for PC (hehe)

if that doesn't work i'm getting it on PSP

Cyne
05-22-2008, 12:30 PM
I totally agree with you Cyne, we should make a petition telling Lucasarts to make TFU for PC (hehe)

if that doesn't work i'm getting it on PSP

There is already a Petition that has over 25,000 signatures at the following link, but I doubt Lucas Arts would care about it even if they saw it.

http://www.petitiononline.com/g5d4iu5f/

Such shame, a game that would have so much promise for the PC isn't being released for it...

-Cyne

Henz
05-22-2008, 01:18 PM
They made TFU a console game. It happens. Stop your boo-hooing.

M@RS
05-22-2008, 01:40 PM
NO! PC is probably the best way to play video games, because it's not just a toy it's also a tool. An Xbox or PS3 can only play games, show pics, and maybe watch movies and that's it. Millions of people make a lot of money because of PCs look at Bill Gates!

oh yeah Cyne I signed the Petition and there were 25,403 signatures after I signed

TKA-001
05-22-2008, 02:14 PM
Makes me wonder why they even bothered giving a reason, since it was obvious from the start that most of the unwashed masses not believe them.

M@RS
05-22-2008, 02:35 PM
They probably just want to have the best engine and graphics, and it's hard to do on PC because there are millions of different types of PCs and not as many different types of consoles and all of the consoles are pretty much the same

can't believe they're worried about awards and not the people who will be playing TFU

Ctrl Alt Del
05-23-2008, 09:41 AM
NO! PC is probably the best way to play video games, because it's not just a toy it's also a tool.
How come that makes it the best platform?

M@RS
05-23-2008, 10:26 AM
Because it's the only one I have :D

PoiuyWired
05-23-2008, 12:14 PM
Well hell, why don't they just port the DS version to pc?


There's about four pc gamers that would be happy with a PS2 port to PC. I don't think the PS2 players will even be happy with the PS2 version.

DS version porting would require some effort due to the duo screent thingy. But things like PSP and PS2 is essentially running the original code in an emulator. The resulting performance is probably better than the original game on PSP/PS2 also due to better performance of the PC itself, basically better resolution, and maybe better sound and skins with higher resolution.

Trust me, its good enough for those people hungry for the game, plus it runs mods. Not to mention the minimal development tims since you are just running the old codes on a tweaked emulation tech.

Its not a new trick, many so-called re-released classic games are not ported codes, but rather original code on emulator as suggested, even on consoles. Some even provide the option of "original lag" so you can feel the original classic frustration.

Prime
05-23-2008, 01:44 PM
Exactly. How can they develop such an "Advanced" game with "Latest, Cutting Edge Technologies" for platforms like DS, N-Gage, PS2, PSP, even Wii and leave out PC?Because "PC" isn't one platform, it is multiple platforms.

GeneralPloKoon
05-24-2008, 01:03 AM
Its easier to make games on consoles plus more can actually happen if the developers allow it, the PC was the prime game system, but that has changed.

Ctrl Alt Del
05-24-2008, 09:48 AM
Its easier to make games on consoles plus more can actually happen if the developers allow it, the PC was the prime game system, but that has changed.

How's developing games for consoles easier? In fact, programmers are having some trouble with the PS3

M@RS
05-24-2008, 11:27 AM
really i didn't know that, I haven't been reading on TFU problems lately. I know that the programmers are favoring the Wii for this game, but why is the question

Jeff
05-24-2008, 11:54 AM
really i didn't know that, I haven't been reading on TFU problems lately. I know that the programmers are favoring the Wii for this game, but why is the questionLucasArts isn't even developing the Wii version, they shipped that out to Krome studios in Australia. LucasArts has talked about programming before for this game. They said they started programming for Xbox 360 and found it was difficult to move it to the PS3, so in future games they will develop for the PS3 first.

M@RS
05-24-2008, 01:13 PM
I read that from some other forum and they gave a link, the link said that when they were going to favor the Wii

RyuuKage
05-25-2008, 12:28 AM
How's developing games for consoles easier? In fact, programmers are having some trouble with the PS3

Because consoles are uniform and static in terms of capability (though the PS3 is complicated because of its construction). PCs are as varied as their users, and without a consistent base, it's difficult to make anything for that platform. The PC version would have to be something like the PS2 version anyway in order to be useable on most PCs...i doubt PC users would like that.

Ctrl Alt Del
05-25-2008, 04:41 PM
Because consoles are uniform and static in terms of capability (though the PS3 is complicated because of its construction). PCs are as varied as their users, and without a consistent base, it's difficult to make anything for that platform. The PC version would have to be something like the PS2 version anyway in order to be useable on most PCs...i doubt PC users would like that.

Yes, PCs have multiple configurations, but there's a little something called "graphics options" that allows the player to adequate them to their machines.

GeneralPloKoon
05-25-2008, 05:19 PM
Yes but consoles don't require that its the same game for everybody and nobody has to worry about a crash, game freeze, or the game being slow....the graphics may vary a bit though on different consoles.

M@RS
05-25-2008, 06:12 PM
yes but PCs can be configured to match what the computer can and can't handle. if you want better graphics and your computer can handle it then they can have better graphics on a ps2 you can't do that it's stuck the way it is and I think you can only get mods on a computer right?

GeneralPloKoon
05-25-2008, 08:04 PM
Unreal Tournament III for PS3 and now 360 can download mods off of PC players, this is a baby-step that will become something big. Alot of console games can have mods by hacking into the game, but its not the same.

Ctrl Alt Del
05-25-2008, 08:04 PM
Yes but consoles don't require that its the same game for everybody and nobody has to worry about a crash, game freeze, or the game being slow....the graphics may vary a bit though on different consoles.

And? I don't see how's that a difficulty for the devs.

RyuuKage
05-26-2008, 01:06 AM
Yes, PCs have multiple configurations, but there's a little something called "graphics options" that allows the player to adequate them to their machines.

it's not all about graphics, check the 4th post

Personally if i can't play it on max graphics it annoys me; my PC would very likely be able to run Force Unleashed (i still can't find a way to make this thing lag), but if a PC version were made, it wouldn't have DMM or Euphoria. Would PC users accept a port of the PS2 version? My assumption is no.

Prime
05-26-2008, 11:58 AM
Yes, PCs have multiple configurations, but there's a little something called "graphics options" that allows the player to adequate them to their machines.It is waaay more complicated than that. There are great differences between the actual hardware that need to be considered on different PC platforms. There are also the interactions between different parts of a configuration that need to be considered. It isn't simply a matter of "turning things down."

M@RS
05-26-2008, 02:55 PM
true... not all games can be played on a pc by just turning the graphics down, but the way TFU looks it should run on a pretty old machine, I mean mine was bought in 2004 and it runs Medal of Honor: Airborne so it should work on most of people's pcs

Boba Rhett
05-26-2008, 05:33 PM
It is waaay more complicated than that. There are great differences between the actual hardware that need to be considered on different PC platforms. There are also the interactions between different parts of a configuration that need to be considered. It isn't simply a matter of "turning things down."


Hold up... You mean to tell me that the graphical options menu isn't a mystical configuration utility that through means of ancient magicks twists and contorts any game to run on my computer box? You're actually saying that various hardware builds and their respective interfaces to each other on any given motherboard somehow play a vital role in all this and that the developers would have to build in all that graphical scalability and find workarounds for any given number of quirks in the innumerable hardware configurations? I call shinannigans on you and your mumbo jumbo, good sir. :carms:

RyuuKage
05-26-2008, 05:40 PM
true... not all games can be played on a pc by just turning the graphics down, but the way TFU looks it should run on a pretty old machine, I mean mine was bought in 2004 and it runs Medal of Honor: Airborne so it should work on most of people's pcs

uhhh...which version of TFU we talking about here? lol

Rev7
05-26-2008, 05:56 PM
There's about four pc gamers that would be happy with a PS2 port to PC. I don't think the PS2 players will even be happy with the PS2 version.
That is true. I won't be all that happy with the PS2 version.

M@RS
05-27-2008, 09:14 PM
uhhh...which version of TFU we talking about here? lol

huh? when I said 2004 I meant my pc, I still don't get what u r talking about

M@RS
05-27-2008, 11:42 PM
go here and sign the petition please

http://www.petitiononline.com/g5d4iu5f/

RyuuKage
05-28-2008, 02:19 AM
huh? when I said 2004 I meant my pc, I still don't get what u r talking about

no which version of TFU, lol

Gurges-Ahter
05-28-2008, 09:50 AM
he was replying to this part of your statement, "but the way TFU looks it should run on a pretty old machine", which is contrary to how most (all?) view the technology the TFU utilizes on the PS3 and 360.

Prime
05-28-2008, 11:35 AM
Hold up... You mean to tell me that the graphical options menu isn't a mystical configuration utility that through means of ancient magicks twists and contorts any game to run on my computer box? You're actually saying that various hardware builds and their respective interfaces to each other on any given motherboard somehow play a vital role in all this and that the developers would have to build in all that graphical scalability and find workarounds for any given number of quirks in the innumerable hardware configurations? I call shinannigans on you and your mumbo jumbo, good sir. :carms:You're just mad that I blew your ****ing mind!

M@RS
05-28-2008, 12:11 PM
no which version of TFU, lol

huh?

Gurges-Ahter
05-28-2008, 12:26 PM
@ M@RS: Ryuu wasn't commenting on which PC version you're using - he was asking what version of TFU you were talking about, since you said it can run on "pretty much any old machine"... most would disagree with that assertion.

M@RS
05-28-2008, 01:15 PM
I see... I was talking about a PC and why TFU should be made for it

RyuuKage
05-28-2008, 02:59 PM
There we go, lol. Yeah, I could run TFU on my machine (if 360 can, mine can), but i still don't really care for a PC version. It's mission-based and extremely detailed, so what could people really mod? Plus they'd have to enable DMM or Euphoria for certain modded objects or characters. Plus i just have never really been into action-ey games on PC (RTS or RPG mostly).

M@RS
05-28-2008, 03:01 PM
I love action games for pc, i dont have a single console and I want TFU when comes out

M@RS
05-28-2008, 03:59 PM
a little help here for JO a bit off topic

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?p=2469265#post2469265

M@RS
05-28-2008, 05:46 PM
check this vid out it shows a demonstration of DMM and Euphoria

http://www.tv.com/uservideos/?action=video_player&id=cCE1kjX45bgEsjHY

Cyne
05-28-2008, 09:38 PM
check this vid out it shows a demonstration of DMM and Euphoria

http://www.tv.com/uservideos/?action=video_player&id=cCE1kjX45bgEsjHY

Yeah, it's truly a shame that us devoted PC enthusiasts who have been fans since the beginning, won't have the opportunity to bring out TFU's full potential such as DMM and Euphoria, because it would be a "Watered Down Experience" on a PC :sarcasm:. It's too bad a company like Lucas Arts has to be greedy.

Cyne

Gurges-Ahter
05-28-2008, 09:42 PM
Yeah, it's truly a shame that us devoted PC enthusiasts that have been fans since the beginning, won't have the opportunity to bring out TFU's full potential, because it would be a "Watered Down Experience" on a PC :sarcasm:. Too bad Lucas Arts has to be that money hungry.

CyneStay a fan and buy a console.

Cyne
05-28-2008, 10:26 PM
Stay a fan and buy a console.

Well like I said, I'm a devoted PC enthusiast. I have no interest in paying $500 for a console which will only be used for 1 game and 1 game only, despite being a fan. It's not like Lucas Arts needs the money, they will make more than enough profit for all TFU sales on all the other platforms, there's absolutely no reason why a PC version can't be developed.

Cyne

Boba Rhett
05-28-2008, 10:34 PM
...there's absolutely no reason why a PC version can't be developed.

I'm fairly confident that LA has a couple* reasons why they shouldn't pursue it.




*= million(s)

M@RS
05-28-2008, 11:04 PM
like what?

RyuuKage
05-28-2008, 11:11 PM
it would be unlikely to be profitable for one thing...just because the other versions make money doesn't mean its a good idea to subsidize the existence of another.

M@RS
05-28-2008, 11:17 PM
You rock man i agree besides if they do make TFU for PC i will advertise it on my website it's not big but it will get the word out

Jason Skywalker
05-29-2008, 05:22 AM
Seriously, why not just make the game for the PC with both DX10 DMM and Euphoria ver and DX9 "watered down" ver? It's still the game everyone is anticipating.

TKA-001
05-29-2008, 09:58 AM
If they're going to make a version for the N-Gage then they should for the NES as well.

Boba Rhett
05-29-2008, 10:55 AM
Seriously, why not just make the game for the PC with both DX10 DMM and Euphoria ver and DX9 "watered down" ver? It's still the game everyone is anticipating.

It's not simply a matter of LucasArts having one of their interns make two different compiles of the game over their lunch break.

Prime
05-29-2008, 01:33 PM
It's too bad a company like Lucas Arts has to be greedy. have a business model.Fixed.

Gurges-Ahter
05-29-2008, 01:37 PM
Agreed, Prime. It would be great if LA only cared about the satisfaction of its legions of SW fans, but it is still a business, after all. I know they aren't choosing to not release a PC version just to piss PC users off.

RyuuKage
05-29-2008, 01:49 PM
Yay, some people get it! lol

And there's no N-gage version...

Jason Skywalker
05-29-2008, 03:38 PM
It's not simply a matter of LucasArts having one of their interns make two different compiles of the game over their lunch break.

What i meant was for PC TFU to have DX10 with DMM and Euphoria support AND DX9 support.

leXX
05-29-2008, 05:10 PM
For goodness sake it's 2008! If you like playing games, go and buy a console. If you can't afford one, start saving.

M@RS
05-29-2008, 05:18 PM
NO! PCs rock they aren't just toys they're tools too, I can do an English Essay and play Jedi Outcast on the same machine, why by a really expensive toy? I'm sticking with what I have a really freaking good PC no matter what Lucas Arts does or doesn't do.

TKA-001
05-29-2008, 05:20 PM
NEVVAAAARR!!

leXX
05-29-2008, 05:24 PM
You know you could have both, or do you have an extremely small bedroom or something? And a 360 only costs £160 now. I'd hardly call that "really expensive".

Gurges-Ahter
05-29-2008, 06:00 PM
NO! PCs rock they aren't just toys they're tools too, I can do an English Essay and play Jedi Outcast on the same machine, why by a really expensive toy? I'm sticking with what I have a really freaking good PC no matter what Lucas Arts does or doesn't do.PCs do rock and they are tools - I don't disagree with any of that. But if you really want to play TFU, buy a console. It's really that simple. You can stick with your "really freakin good PC" and use it for everything else you want, but you can't play TFU on it, no matter how "freakin good" it is.

Cyne
05-29-2008, 06:49 PM
You know you could have both, or do you have an extremely small bedroom or something? And a 360 only costs £160 now. I'd hardly call that "really expensive".

Like a previous user said, a PC is not just a toy, it's a versatile tool. A console is just a toy And yes, 300-400 dollars + the game is expensive if it's only going to be used for one thing, to play that 1 game. I still have PC games from the 1990's that still work on my high-end, Windows XP machine. For consoles, in a matter of 2-3 years, there will be a new generation of consoles and your previous games may or may not work for the new platform.

Yes, I do understand it is still a business. But look at it another way - if your business is dependent on customers, would you not want them to be satisfied ones? Developing customer loyalty and a good track record to encourage people to keep buying future products? But how can they if you suddenly stop producing product that counts for a large chunk of your customer base?

Cyne

leXX
05-29-2008, 07:14 PM
I'm not suggesting you buy a console and then only buy one game to play on it. Come on now, be serious. It's an investment in your gaming enjoyment. I can't imagine any serious gamer in this day and age not owning at least one of the consoles. You have to cover all the bases.

No amount of ranting about there not being a PC version is going to change the fact that there isn't going to be one (at least not when it is first released), so if you seriously want to play TFU, then you have no other choice. Play it, or don't play it.

M@RS
05-29-2008, 07:24 PM
or someone could mod a previous star wars game on PC and make starkiller, animations (with him using Shien {look it up}) :D, and maybe a couple of maps? It's a lot of work but no way will it be harder than what the original programmers went through to make TFU

M@RS
05-29-2008, 07:25 PM
like what i'm trying to do

RyuuKage
05-29-2008, 07:48 PM
See this is what i mean...why do PCs and consoles have to be mutually exclusive? I have both, lol (except PS3...cursed pos lol)

M@RS
05-29-2008, 07:53 PM
mean by what?

Jason Skywalker
05-30-2008, 03:41 PM
For goodness sake it's 2008! If you like playing games, go and buy a console. If you can't afford one, start saving.

I have one, it's called a PlayStation 2. :xp:

It's not as much as not having money as it is about spending atleast 200 euros on a console.

M@RS
05-31-2008, 12:12 AM
why, why should I buy a console for ONE game, why can't LA just make it for PC and please the masses of fans they're ticking off

Boba Rhett
05-31-2008, 12:19 AM
Because it's not the masses anymore.

M@RS
05-31-2008, 12:38 AM
why? I read a lot of people on this forum already say they want TFU for PC only

RyuuKage
05-31-2008, 01:37 AM
why? I read a lot of people on this forum already say they want TFU for PC only

which is a grand total of a few hundred people. even the online petition for a PC version of TFU has only 25,000 signatures, and you can bet not all of them will buy it.

M@RS
05-31-2008, 01:39 AM
true...
well most of them will, the comments on the petition show that clearly, one of the comments was even threatning :o

RyuuKage
05-31-2008, 01:55 AM
yeah, but i'm sure some of them never had any intention of paying for it...a PC version of anything is easy to obtain illegitimately.

Cyne
05-31-2008, 03:46 PM
yeah, but i'm sure some of them never had any intention of paying for it...a PC version of anything is easy to obtain illegitimately.

Consoles can be modded to allow illegitimate use as well, with PC's it's just easier. Console users are just too lazy to get it modded.

And I completely agree with M@RS. Why not just please the masses of fans they're ticking off? There is a thread on the Lucas Arts forums that is around 140 pages long about 20-30 posts per page and has been growing about a page every other day since the first news of no PC version. Of course, there are a few console thumpers on there making lame comments like "stop crying" or "boo hoo no PC version". Like Mars said, why the hell should we buy an expensive console for ONE game, especially since most PC gamers (regardless of what people may think) already have a powerful enough PC to run most games? Put it this way, if the person in question is a serious gamer, their PC should already be good, at the very least mid-range, which would run most games decently including TFU.

Cyne

M@RS
05-31-2008, 03:56 PM
And... I think most people know the limits of their PC

Cyne
05-31-2008, 04:24 PM
And... I think most people know the limits of their PC

Precisely.

M@RS
05-31-2008, 05:35 PM
If they don't know the limits they should learn them

RyuuKage
05-31-2008, 09:32 PM
why would you buy the console for one game? is it somehow inconceivable that there are other games to get for each console (albeit a little slim on the PS3).

Cyne
06-01-2008, 12:35 AM
why would you buy the console for one game? is it somehow inconceivable that there are other games to get for each console (albeit a little slim on the PS3).

A lot of people can't seem to wrap their head around that. Perhaps some of us have NO interest in consoles because we prefer to use our PCs instead because we're perfectly content with the games we have/play on it, among many other things that we do on it besides gaming.

Gurges-Ahter
06-01-2008, 12:45 AM
The "masses of fans they're ticking off" are a drop in the bucket compared to the masses of fans that (a) already have a console or (b) will buy one and buy the game.

PS - I am buying a console (360) solely for this game, and I have no problem with that. I am also buying the Wii version of the game (I already own a Wii) for the duel mode and additional levels.

Gurges-Ahter
06-01-2008, 12:52 AM
Put it this way, if the person in question is a serious gamer, their PC should already be good, at the very least mid-range, which would run most games decently including TFU.
This is exactly why they don't make a PC version. Do they want to cater to "serious gamers", or the masses? The masses of people buying TFU (and almost all video games) are not "serious gamers". They are just normal people who like to play video games from time to time. It's just not a smart business decision for them do to so.

Don't get me wrong; I want a PC version too, but I can understand why there are no plans to develop one and I am perfectly content with a console version instead.

Cyne
06-01-2008, 01:11 AM
This is exactly why they don't make a PC version. Do they want to cater to "serious gamers", or the masses? The masses of people buying TFU (and almost all video games) are not "serious gamers". They are just normal people who like to play video games from time to time. It's just not a smart business decision for them do to so.

Don't get me wrong; I want a PC version too, but I can understand why there are no plans to develop one and I am perfectly content with a console version instead.

Don't misunderstand what I was actually referring to. I didn't mean "serious gamers" specifically, I'm just going on the lame excuse Cameron Suey provided. He stated that you would need a $4,000 PC to run TFU, which is complete non-sense from a technical standpoint because I guarantee I could build a PC capable of running TFU just fine for less than $1000 (upgrading a currently owned PC is a different story, it would cost less than $400-600 and most people nowadays already own a PC).

It is very likely the masses own at the very least, a mainstream PC. Even the crap name brand desktops you see at Best Buy and other similar retail stores sell PCs that are fast and capable of running TFU under or around the $1000 price point.

Serious Gamer or not - PCs these days are like Cellphones, everybody has one.

RyuuKage
06-01-2008, 02:50 AM
most people don't have the slightest clue how to build a computer and then get all the components to mesh together. just so you know...

and the "crap brands" (more like average user brands, lol) that cost less than $1000 dollars (even excluding the monitor from the price) couldn't run TFU.

Cyne
06-01-2008, 12:57 PM
most people don't have the slightest clue how to build a computer and then get all the components to mesh together. just so you know...

and the "crap brands" (more like average user brands, lol) that cost less than $1000 dollars (even excluding the monitor from the price) couldn't run TFU.

That may be so, but even someone that is computer illiterate knows of the many places that sell AND build a computer for you. All they have to do is walk in, tell the sales associate what they're going to be using the PC for and a lot of the time, somebody will put it together for you right in the store for a small fee.

Trust me, these days, even the name brands they sell at Best Buy, for example, could run TFU. I've seen the system specs of some of their PCs for around $1000 and they're just fine. Most of the time, they use cheap, on-board graphics, but considering you could get a Geforce 8800GT or Radeon 3870 for less than $200 now, that isn't an issue at all. The CPUs at this price point are almost always a mid-range Core 2 Duo or Athlon X2 and come standard with 1-2 GB of RAM and a 7200 RPM hard drive. This is more than enough, so anyone that says otherwise has no clue what they're talking about.

Gurges-Ahter
06-01-2008, 01:44 PM
That may be so, but even someone that is computer illiterate knows of the many places that sell AND build a computer for you. All they have to do is walk in, tell the sales associate what they're going to be using the PC for and a lot of the time, somebody will put it together for you right in the store for a small fee.

Trust me, these days, even the name brands they sell at Best Buy, for example, could run TFU. I've seen the system specs of some of their PCs for around $1000 and they're just fine. Most of the time, they use cheap, on-board graphics, but considering you could get a Geforce 8800GT or Radeon 3870 for less than $200 now, that isn't an issue at all. The CPUs at this price point are almost always a mid-range Core 2 Duo or Athlon X2 and come standard with 1-2 GB of RAM and a 7200 RPM hard drive. This is more than enough, so anyone that says otherwise has no clue what they're talking about.
I think this is the flaw in your reasoning. Sure, you can get a suitable video card for $200, but you can get a console for $250. And the video card is much more of a hassle for the average person to deal with. The average computer user has no idea what the specs mean, and then has to deal with either (a) installing it or (b) dragging their computer to the store and paying extra to have it installed. This also assumes that the rest of their system (processor, memory, clean registry, etc.) meets the necessary criteria to play TFU.

The PS3 is more expensive than that, but not by all that much and it plays Blu-Ray DVDs. I know the PC can do a lot of stuff and that's appealing to PC users, but it's not appealing to the vast majority of the market.

Cyne
06-01-2008, 02:09 PM
I think this is the flaw in your reasoning. Sure, you can get a suitable video card for $200, but you can get a console for $250. And the video card is much more of a hassle for the average person to deal with. The average computer user has no idea what the specs mean, and then has to deal with either (a) installing it or (b) dragging their computer to the store and paying extra to have it installed. This also assumes that the rest of their system (processor, memory, clean registry, etc.) meets the necessary criteria to play TFU.

The PS3 is more expensive than that, but not by all that much and it plays Blu-Ray DVDs. I know the PC can do a lot of stuff and that's appealing to PC users, but it's not appealing to the vast majority of the market.

That's what the Computer Sales Associates and Computer Specialists are there for. Any non-commissioned store (like Best Buy) will have Associates there to walk you through it all. And Like I said, PCs these days are like Cellphones, everybody has one. I run a Temporary PC I put together that has a Generic case, Athlon X2 3800 (the lowest entry model), OCZ Platinum XTC Rev2 DDR800 2GB RAM, Geforce 8500GT (Low end model) Seagate 500GB 7200 HD, M2N4-SLI Motherboard and an old Audigy 2ZS I threw in and my old WD Raptor 10k RPM 74GB Hard drive with a Thermaltake 420W PSU. You better believe I play Crysis on this Computer, Mixed Low-Medium settings and average 20-23 FPS. There is no way TFU is any more demanding than Crysis. I'm confident that it isn't even close to as demanding.

Here is what I paid for this Low-end system (mentioning I put this together about 8-10 months ago. Pirces would have most certainly dropped by now):

Case - $30
Motherboard - $119
Video Card - $125
CPU - $99
RAM - $29.99
hard Drive - $99
PSU - $109

Grand Total including Tax - $669

I use this PC for everything, including, High-End Gaming, Movies, Music, and Multitask very frequently. It runs excellent considering the price. It does leaps and bounds more than a Console can, not to mention the PS3 STILL has a price tag of $299-$499 or more from what I've seen.

RyuuKage
06-01-2008, 02:23 PM
firstly, are you content with low-medium graphics settings? if so fine. I know that drive me off the wall.

and 20-23 fps? are you kidding me? Crysis should be running at a minimum of 30, you're lagging there...

Cyne
06-01-2008, 02:26 PM
firstly, are you content with low-medium graphics settings? if so fine. I know that drive me off the wall.

and 20-23 fps? are you kidding me? Crysis should be running at a minimum of 30, you're lagging there...

Again, this was something I threw together quickly. Take away the Geforce 8500GT, add $70 extra at current prices and throw in an EVGA Geforce 8800GT that is hovering around the $189 pricepoint and BAM, you're averaging about 35-40 FPS on High Settings with EASE and a Max FPS of around 40-50 FPS.

M@RS
06-01-2008, 05:50 PM
hmm ok, why are we talking about this again?

Gurges-Ahter
06-01-2008, 06:39 PM
That's what the Computer Sales Associates and Computer Specialists are there for. Any non-commissioned store (like Best Buy) will have Associates there to walk you through it all. And Like I said, PCs these days are like Cellphones, everybody has one. I run a Temporary PC I put together that has a Generic case, Athlon X2 3800 (the lowest entry model), OCZ Platinum XTC Rev2 DDR800 2GB RAM, Geforce 8500GT (Low end model) Seagate 500GB 7200 HD, M2N4-SLI Motherboard and an old Audigy 2ZS I threw in and my old WD Raptor 10k RPM 74GB Hard drive with a Thermaltake 420W PSU. You better believe I play Crysis on this Computer, Mixed Low-Medium settings and average 20-23 FPS. There is no way TFU is any more demanding than Crysis. I'm confident that it isn't even close to as demanding.

Here is what I paid for this Low-end system (mentioning I put this together about 8-10 months ago. Pirces would have most certainly dropped by now):

Case - $30
Motherboard - $119
Video Card - $125
CPU - $99
RAM - $29.99
hard Drive - $99
PSU - $109

Grand Total including Tax - $669

I use this PC for everything, including, High-End Gaming, Movies, Music, and Multitask very frequently. It runs excellent considering the price. It does leaps and bounds more than a Console can, not to mention the PS3 STILL has a price tag of $299-$499 or more from what I've seen.

Again, that's way more work and hassle than the average consumer would even contemplate doing for his or her computer. You are a speaking about a niche market that you happen to be a part of, but is much to small of a market for LA to cater to when it has masses of fans that don't fit your niche market.

The PS3 is running that high - the 360 is not. I only mentioned the PS3 because it has the added bonus of playing Blu-Ray DVDs.

Additionally, a large amount of people, even average consumers, own a large screen, possibly HD, television and have kids that play on consoles all the time. It's not a stretch at all for those customers to spend 50-60 bucks on a new game, and be done with it. However it is a huge stretch to do what you're mentioning they can do, and limits the screen to a computer monitor (unless you go through another series of technically expensive and hassle-filled hoops to connect your desktop to an HDTV).

I get what you're saying - I love my PCs too and I wish TFU was coming out for it, but it's not a good business decision for LA to make and the alternatives you're coming up with do not do anything to dissuade that decision.

Rinku
06-01-2008, 07:30 PM
I have a hunch that if TFU does really good that about 6 months later LA will come out with a PC version of TFU (just a hunch, no reasoning behind what-so-ever)

Also, my friend who has a suped-up Area-51 7500, by Alienware, said that he would not even think about buying TFU for his computer if it came out, (I do not know why)

Also why not just use an emulator??? Just a thought...

Cyne
06-01-2008, 07:42 PM
I have a hunch that if TFU does really good that about 6 months later LA will come out with a PC version of TFU (just a hunch, no reasoning behind what-so-ever)

Also, my friend who has a suped-up Area-51 7500, by Alienware, said that he would not even think about buying TFU for his computer if it came out, (I do not know why)

Also why not just use an emulator??? Just a thought...

I'm sure TFU will do well and there is a possibility of a PC version later on perhaps, despite the rigid stance they have toward the idea now.

I won't even bother bringing Gaming Laptops into this because they would be even more versatile than any Cnnsole, adding in the Mobility to "Play-as-you-Go" for gamers that have school and/or other social habits like Vacations, Roadtrips, etc.

I'm not trying to influence LA's decision in any way whatsoever, because if they don't monitor or take to heart what people say on their own forums, what would give you the idea they would do so here? I'm pointing out viable alternatives, within a reasonable price range to counter Cameron Suey's claims, saying you would need a Supercomputer to run TFU. Once again, utter non-sense.

As for Emulators, it is never the same thing, especially with new games. Wouldn't be the same as if it had a version designed specifically for the PC.

M@RS
06-01-2008, 11:20 PM
something I noticed, was that in the demo of DMM and Euphoria the guy presenting the whole thing used a computer to do it, makes me wonder if they're really considering it, I hope so

Cyne
06-01-2008, 11:42 PM
something I noticed, was that in the demo of DMM and Euphoria the guy presenting the whole thing used a computer to do it, makes me wonder if they're really considering it, I hope so

I hope so too M@RS, very much so that words can't describe.

M@RS
06-01-2008, 11:45 PM
LA owes the PC of what they've become today, because of Jedi Knight and other old games

Cyne
06-01-2008, 11:54 PM
I'm in total agreement with you Mars.

RyuuKage
06-01-2008, 11:59 PM
I won't even bother bringing Gaming Laptops into this because they would be even more versatile than any Cnnsole, adding in the Mobility to "Play-as-you-Go" for gamers that have school and/or other social habits like Vacations, Roadtrips, etc.

and also cost a hell of a lot more, lol

M@RS
06-02-2008, 12:03 AM
yeah, lol, all I can say is that if LA doesn't make TFU for PC I'm working on a skin that will included in a mod to re-create TFU, sadly it is only for Jedi Outcast as I don't have Jedi Academy (sigh) but I need a couple of things ironed out and it (skin) will be close to done check this thread out

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?p=2469265#post2469265

Cyne
06-02-2008, 12:08 AM
and also cost a hell of a lot more, lol

Like I said, it's an alternative, not THE only alternative.

Serpentine Cougar
06-02-2008, 12:30 AM
something I noticed, was that in the demo of DMM and Euphoria the guy presenting the whole thing used a computer to do it, makes me wonder if they're really considering it, I hope so
They kind of use computers to make it.... I don't think that really means anything.

M@RS
06-02-2008, 12:33 AM
well if it works on the PC then they basically know that the game will, that was one their reasons for not making it for PC was because they said it might be too advanced, but it's not

RyuuKage
06-02-2008, 01:35 AM
They kind of use computers to make it.... I don't think that really means anything.

not to mention those videos had noticeable lag >.<

Cyne
06-02-2008, 02:11 AM
not to mention those videos had noticeable lag >.<

What do you mean "kind of" use computers to make it? What else do you think is used to make the games, the consoles themselves? Cameron Suey's statement is clearly bogus, because no console has the power to bring out TFU's absolute maximum potential the way a PC could. You wouldn't need a $4,000 PC, not even a $2,000 or $1,500 PC to bring out TFUs potential. TFU on Wii, PSP, PS2 and DS are the ones that will be a "Watered Down Experience" and won't have DMM or Euphoria. These consoles and handhelds can't even hope to compete to even a Mainstream PC.

Boba Rhett
06-02-2008, 02:26 AM
He was being sarcastic...

RyuuKage
06-02-2008, 02:58 AM
lol why was i quoted? XD

and you continue to spew price figures that only people who build their own rig can afford, which is a miniscule portion of computer users. face it, the consoles exist and are successful for a reason: they can compete with the pc when it comes to entertainment value. Just because they aren't a digital omnitool doesn't mean they are bad.

but i have no doubt that such a concept is beyond the scope of your imagination...

Cyne
06-02-2008, 03:04 AM
lol why was i quoted? XD

and you continue to spew price figures that only people who build their own rig can afford, which is a miniscule portion of computer users. face it, the consoles exist and are successful for a reason: they can compete with the pc when it comes to entertainment value. Just because they aren't a digital omnitool doesn't mean they are bad.

but i have no doubt that such a concept is beyond the scope of your imagination...

Can you show me where I said they were bad? And you continue to spew figures of the masses of players that exist as console gamers, completely ignoring the fact that there is also a huge number of PC Gamers (hmm, World of Warcraft comes to mind and that is only ONE game - 10-20 Million WoW players last time I checked). Yes, there is a great number of console gamers, but there is also a great number of PC gamers, regardless if you can grasp that truth or not. World of Warcraft is proof in itself, not mentioning how many other PC games have millions of users.

Beyond the scope of my imagination? Simply brilliant...

Ctrl Alt Del
06-02-2008, 12:22 PM
something I noticed, was that in the demo of DMM and Euphoria the guy presenting the whole thing used a computer to do it, makes me wonder if they're really considering it, I hope so

This was answered before but I can't help: What exactly do you think the devs use to make their games?

M@RS
06-02-2008, 12:33 PM
a computer, but I'm not really sure, I'm not so crazy about games that I know everything about em' but I figured they used PCs. IF they make a game on a PC, then doesn't that mean that they have a game for PC already right?

Ctrl Alt Del
06-02-2008, 05:09 PM
IF they make a game on a PC, then doesn't that mean that they have a game for PC already right?

Of course it doesn't. Otherwise, every game would be a pc game, why not? Unless you're suggesting Pong was made on an abbacus.

M@RS
06-02-2008, 06:42 PM
heh heh, nope but I'm just saying...

Serpentine Cougar
06-04-2008, 11:44 PM
He was being sarcastic...
Correct.

[...] the fact that there is also a huge number of PC Gamers (hmm, World of Warcraft comes to mind and that is only ONE game - 10-20 Million WoW players last time I checked). Yes, there is a great number of console gamers, but there is also a great number of PC gamers, regardless if you can grasp that truth or not. World of Warcraft is proof in itself, not mentioning how many other PC games have millions of users.
WoW is an MMO, though. They probably play it because it's an MMO (a genre relatively scant on consoles) rather than because it's a PC game. I'm not too sure that WoW players would be especially likely to buy TFU.


I found some statistics on the ESA's website (http://www.theesa.com/facts/salesandgenre.asp) regarding sales of console games and PC games (in 2007):

* Game console software sales totaled $6.6 billion with 153.9 million units sold;

* Computer games sales were $910.7 million with 36.4 million units sold;
Perhaps this will help people understand LucasArts's reasoning a little better?

Jeff
06-05-2008, 01:09 AM
Also, I remember hearing that for Knights of the Old Republic something like 85% of the game's sales were on console, so LucasArts knows first hand how much better console games sell than PC. I'm not saying I like it but it does make good business sense.

Cyne
06-06-2008, 12:33 AM
Also, I remember hearing that for Knights of the Old Republic something like 85% of the game's sales were on console, so LucasArts knows first hand how much better console games sell than PC. I'm not saying I like it but it does make good business sense.

There's also a lot of games that are complete failures because many companies refuse to consider the fans. There are tens of thousands of fans that have been and still are bashing LA because they completely dismiss the PC fanbase with bogus excuses regarding the PC version (or lack, thereof). C&C3 Kane's Wrath is an example of a game that would have been great, but EA resolves their problems by focusing on and working to release an entirely new game while taking no care or consideration for the people that have bought the previous one. Kane's Wrath has been out for 3 months now, which might I add is extremely buggy and unbalanced to the point where many people have already stopped playing it and yet, still no patch has been released.

Let's also mention that many, MANY hardcore console gamers are also hardcore PC gamers.

Prime
06-06-2008, 11:02 AM
Dude, the console base is substantially larger than the PC base. You just need to accept that. :)

Cyne
06-06-2008, 11:30 AM
Dude, the console base is substantially larger than the PC base. You just need to accept that. :)

I have accepted it, but I'm saying that the JK series, even though TFU isn't technically JK, it's based on the same concept of gameplay as JK and fans since the beginning deserve the game as well for the PC. Since Jedi Academy was a disappointment and Jedi Outcast being the much better one of the two. We've been waiting a long time for a breakthrough sequel for the PC, and believe me, I'm not the only one who thinks so.

leXX
06-06-2008, 11:44 AM
deserve

I'm sorry what? Deserve? Since when does LucasArts owe you anything?

I bought JK2 and got 2 years of MP gaming out of it, and another year with JA. Good value for money I'd say. And TFU is in no way shape or form a follow on from the JK series.

homiJ15
06-06-2008, 02:44 PM
maybe TFU would only be able to run on Vista, and with all of the problems i have heard that Vista has with running games, Lucasarts just doesent feel like dealing with Vista's crap for the time being

Cyne
06-07-2008, 02:08 PM
I'm sorry what? Deserve? Since when does LucasArts owe you anything?

I bought JK2 and got 2 years of MP gaming out of it, and another year with JA. Good value for money I'd say. And TFU is in no way shape or form a follow on from the JK series.

What, did I stutter? Fans have been waiting patiently since JK3 (JK2 was much better in my view) and your statement seems to imply that I'm the only one that wants a PC version. If that's the case, you have tens of thousands of people who would disagree with you. It would be like if Blizzard suddenly converted Starcraft 2 to consoles only and stopped producing PC versions. It would be dismissing the millions of fans/players that have been playing it since 1998 and that have given the game the popularity it has today.

Even though TFU isn't a direct link or sequel of the JK series, it is still based on the same concept of game play, not to mention there has been no word of a JK4 and the likelihood of one seems remote.

http://forums.lucasarts.com/thread.jspa?threadID=120668&tstart=0

leXX
06-07-2008, 03:23 PM
You know phrases like "did I stutter?" really have no place on a forum where we are reading what you are saying, not listening to you speak. Yes, I can be extremely pedantic when I want to be.

You're still missing the point completely. You seem to be under the impression that this is another JK game or somehow connected with the series. This is not a JK game. If it were then it would be another matter. I'd be right there with you complaining if it wasn't coming out on PC, but the fact is this is another game completely.

and your statement seems to imply that I'm the only one that wants a PC version.

It implys no such thing. Please don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. Of course I know there are thousands of people who are just as pissed off as you are, and I know my point of view would not be popular with them either, but I don't care.

it is still based on the same concept of game play

No it isn't. The concept of gameplay of TFU is all about kicking ass with the force. Just because you could use a lightsaber and force powers in the JK series, doesn't make it the same game.

Look, I want another JK game just as much as you do, trust me. I absolutely love the JK series, but you have to seperate this game from them in your mind. TFU is meant to appeal to the masses of young next gen console gamers. LA has made the decision that it would not be financially viable to release it on PC and you will just have to live with that.

I didn't intend on buying a 360, but when I realised I wouldn't be able to play Halo 3 unless I did, I went ahead and bought one. After playing the first two games, reading the books and investing alot of time in the Halo universe, I wasn't about to miss out on the last instalment. It was one of the best things I ever did as a gamer. I've played so many console exclusive awesome games that I would have missed out on. I really don't understand why people simply can't have both a PC and a console. Why must they be mutually exclusive? And with the news that TFU will not have MP (apart from crappy dual on the Wii), then the need for it to be on PC is really a moot point.

Cyne
06-07-2008, 04:18 PM
You know phrases like "did I stutter?" really have no place on a forum where we are reading what you are saying, not listening to you speak. Yes, I can be extremely pedantic when I want to be.

You're still missing the point completely. You seem to be under the impression that this is another JK game or somehow connected with the series. This is not a JK game. If it were then it would be another matter. I'd be right there with you complaining if it wasn't coming out on PC, but the fact is this is another game completely.



It implys no such thing. Please don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. Of course I know there are thousands of people who are just as pissed off as you are, and I know my point of view would not be popular with them either, but I don't care.



No it isn't. The concept of gameplay of TFU is all about kicking ass with the force. Just because you could use a lightsaber and force powers in the JK series, doesn't make it the same game.

Look, I want another JK game just as much as you do, trust me. I absolutely love the JK series, but you have to seperate this game from them in your mind. TFU is meant to appeal to the masses of young next gen console gamers. LA has made the decision that it would not be financially viable to release it on PC and you will just have to live with that.

I didn't intend on buying a 360, but when I realised I wouldn't be able to play Halo 3 unless I did, I went ahead and bought one. After playing the first two games, reading the books and investing alot of time in the Halo universe, I wasn't about to miss out on the last instalment. It was one of the best things I ever did as a gamer. I've played so many console exclusive awesome games that I would have missed out on. I really don't understand why people simply can't have both a PC and a console. Why must they be mutually exclusive? And with the news that TFU will not have MP (apart from crappy dual on the Wii), then the need for it to be on PC is really a moot point.

Not everybody wants to dish out tons of cash every year or 2 for the ability to play a game or two, also mentioning that the prices are becoming more and more obscene because they add in these breakthrough technologies, like Blu-ray for PS3 when it isn't needed, especially since I can get a Blu-ray drive for my PC for less. My PC is perfectly capable of running high-end games and I see no point in spending cash on a totally separate platform that will have, at most, the same potential and replay value my PC has.

As for the next JK and TFU being seperate, re-read my post and notice how I mention "JK4" and "TFU". And why it seems lI refer to TFU as the next JK installment is because LA has completely neglected the JK series. Jedi Academy was a disappointment with poor graphics, poor cutscenes, and all the little things that were worse in JA than in JO. I loved the JK series regardless because I'm a fan, but to me, Jedi Outcast was far better overall and that came out 6-7 years ago, As well from what I've read, there appears to be no plans for the next installment anytime soon.

leXX
06-07-2008, 04:22 PM
Not everybody wants to dish out tons of cash every year or 2 for the ability to play a game or two, also mentioning that the prices are becoming more and more obscene because they add in these breakthrough technologies, like Blu-ray for PS3 when it isn't needed, especially since I can get a Blu-ray drive for my PC for less. My PC is perfectly capable of running high-end games and I see no point in spend cash on a totally separate platform that will have, at most, the same potential and replay value my PC has.

Then don't buy one, don't play TFU, just carry on bitching about how you can't play it. That makes much more sense.

Cyne
06-07-2008, 04:28 PM
Then don't buy one, don't play TFU, just carry on bitching about how you can't play it. That makes much more sense.

I will, you go ahead and continue buying a new console every year, filling the pockets of console companies because you fall for their "buy our new console to play this game ONLY on this system or you won't be able to play it" trap. That makes sense too.

Gurges-Ahter
06-07-2008, 04:31 PM
I will, you go ahead and continue buying a new console every year and fill the pockets of console companies because you fall for their "buy our new console to play this game ONLY on this system or you won't be able to play it" trap. That makes sense too.
What is there to "fall for"? You either play the game or you don't. If you want to play it, then you buy the console. I'm not an avid gamer, by any stretch of the imagination, but I plan on buying a 360 for TFU alone. (I'm also buying it for the Wii, which I already own but rarely use - it's for social gatherings and my kids mostly).

Secondly, most console players already have a console, so they don't have to buy it just for the game. It's crazy, I know, but there are other games for the 360!

Cyne
06-07-2008, 04:35 PM
Yeah, most console gamers "already" have a console, many PC gamers like myself, do not. I'm not rich, a next-gen console for me, as a student, would be an investment, not a luxury. It would be easier to pay 40-60 to buy TFU for PC than it would for me to pay 300-500 for a console + the game + any accessories or other fancy gadgets that are out for new consoles these days. I live in Canada by the way, so prices in the USA in no way reflect the prices of things here. An item that may cost $200 in the USA would cost $400 or $500 here, even with the two dollars being equal.

Gurges-Ahter
06-07-2008, 04:39 PM
That's fine - it's a decision you need to make for yourself (whether or not it's a worthwhile investment). I finished college not too long ago, Cyne, so I can understand your frustrations there.

However, I disagree that LA should make a PC version of TFU just to appease the PC-only gamer market, which is already small and diminishing more and more as time passes.

Cyne
06-07-2008, 05:08 PM
Well, the way I see it is, they're making TFU for virtually every console and handheld that people use these days, they should just go all the way andmake it for PC too, regardless of the financial side of things (because let's be honest, it's not like they need the money). If that was the main reason for not making a PC version, Cameron Suey should've just said so instead of making up non-sense like TFU on PC would be "Watered Down" and that a PC couldn't handle it.

I also respect your opinion about the no TFU for PC thing, we can't all see eye to eye.

leXX
06-07-2008, 05:15 PM
I will, you go ahead and continue buying a new console every year, filling the pockets of console companies because you fall for their "buy our new console to play this game ONLY on this system or you won't be able to play it" trap. That makes sense too.

Yep, I'm Microsoft, Sony and Nintendos little bitch who has had countless hours of gaming pleasure on their consoles. Damn, I'm such a sucker.

Cyne
06-07-2008, 05:20 PM
Wow, you thought of that one all by yourself? I'm impressed! Such a brilliant, well thought out counter-argument. Kudos! The fact that you own all the consoles and that console companies targeted demographic is from youth to teen, you show all the makings of an immature teenager (including the intelligent "countless hours of gaming pleasure statement") that would do and pay anything to play a video game.

leXX
06-07-2008, 05:33 PM
Can't think of an intelligent response to it? Such a shame.

Cyne
06-07-2008, 05:37 PM
Wow, you thought of that one all by yourself? I'm impressed! Such a brilliant, well thought out counter-argument. Kudos! The fact that you own all the consoles and that console companies targeted demographic is from youth to teen, you show all the makings of an immature teenager (including the intelligent "countless hours of gaming pleasure statement") that would do and pay anything to play a video game.

Please learn to read before you look and sound more immature and stupid than you already do. Anyway, as much as I'd like to continue this battle of wits with you, I can see that you're obviously unarmed. Good Day.

leXX
06-07-2008, 05:42 PM
So now you've resorted to name calling. Tut tut.

Immature? I'm 36 years old. :)

Stupid? Hardly. The mere fact that I've presented my arguments clearly and concisely without having to resort to flaming shows the complete opposite don't you think? ;)

leXX
06-07-2008, 05:49 PM
Please learn to read before you look and sound more immature and stupid than you already do. Anyway, as much as I'd like to continue this battle of wits with you, I can see that you're obviously unarmed. Good Day.

Oh come now. I was just starting to enjoy our little "battle of wits". Don't run off so soon.

Cyne
06-07-2008, 05:49 PM
36 years old with almost 8,000 posts on a video game forum? That's not immature? (excluding game/mod developers and moderators, and in your case, this doesn't seem to be one of those cases) Sorry to break it to you, age has no bearing on maturity level, there are plenty of 30-40 year olds that have the maturity level of a high-schooler as well of plenty 20 year olds that have the maturity level of someone 30-40.

leXX
06-07-2008, 05:55 PM
My post count has a bearing on my maturity level? Oh dear, I think you've just upset rather alot of people in this forum.

Cyne
06-07-2008, 05:58 PM
Please do learn how to use the refresh function. Anyway, I know this concept is hard for you to understand, but I must now return to some more important life priorities. So to that end, you can continue to flood this thread with your useless posts. Enjoy.

leXX
06-07-2008, 06:03 PM
Trying to cover your ass with a little edited parenthesis is quite laughable. But you've still called all the non mods with a high post count immature. I'd like to know how you've come to this wonderfull conclusion.

leXX
06-07-2008, 06:14 PM
Please do learn how to use the refresh function. Anyway, I know this concept is hard for you to understand, but I must now return to some more important life priorities. So to that end, you can continue to flood this thread with your useless posts. Enjoy.

Another one bites the dust. Bye bye. :wavey:

M@RS
06-07-2008, 06:22 PM
I agree with Cyne, LA should respect the PC gamers, (that's how they got big in the first place) I just hope they realize that :(

Dath Maximus
06-07-2008, 07:27 PM
was cyne beaten by an old sega genesis console when he/she/it was little?

it would explain the hatred of consoles and the possible mental retardation at the same time

just saying..it happens...and now to go harass that wee midget who likes to get pissy easily

Rogue Nine
06-07-2008, 08:05 PM
Please do learn how to use the refresh function. Anyway, I know this concept is hard for you to understand, but I must now return to some more important life priorities. So to that end, you can continue to flood this thread with your useless posts. Enjoy.

Wow. Just wow.

Have an infraction for being a complete ass, free of charge. If you don't want another one, then learn to play nice with others.

Rinku
06-08-2008, 09:35 PM
Wow. Just wow.

Have an infraction for being a complete ass, free of charge. If you don't want another one, then learn to play nice with others.

Yeah Cyne that was way out of line you jerk!!!!

GeneralPloKoon
06-09-2008, 12:03 AM
You know, originally Lucasarts wanted TFU to be a Super Wookie like game not what it has become, so I don't understand how Cyne came up with JK and TFU being similar, just because they both use lightsabers and force-powers?

Ryazan
08-19-2008, 02:50 PM
If you care enough about this game to start crying because it's not on PC, you can probably convince yourself to buy a console for this game. And even so, you guys got the good versions of the Doom series, the Half-Life series, and Spore, among many others. So don't throw tantrums like a 3-year-old just because you might not get this one game. What is yelling at us about it going to do anyway?

Juno Eclipse
08-19-2008, 08:23 PM
If you care enough about this game to start crying because it's not on PC, you can probably convince yourself to buy a console for this game. And even so, you guys got the good versions of the Doom series, the Half-Life series, and Spore, among many others. So don't throw tantrums like a 3-year-old just because you might not get this one game. What is yelling at us about it going to do anyway?

At LAST! Some words of Wisdom! Now there's a smart lad!:clap2: