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Burnseyy
06-01-2008, 02:42 PM
So, I don't know how to start a poll. >_> yes, I'm a noobie. :)
but, here we go.

who was your favourite lead character? Reven or the Exile? which one had a better story?

personally, I think Reven was the better character, because the mission was so much more fun than the Exile's :D

Melly
06-01-2008, 08:09 PM
I prefer the Exile. I just like her story better because it's more personal. She's searching for the truth about herself, and putting the past to rest. :)

JCarter426
06-01-2008, 08:27 PM
Agreed. :)

TKA-001
06-01-2008, 08:28 PM
I'd say the Exile. The fact that he/she is a wound in the force puts a very interesting weight on the character.

Diego Varen
06-02-2008, 01:18 AM
Another vote for the Jedi Exile.

One, he/she is more interesting, with a better backstory and in fan fiction, very easy to write for.

Two, s/he's not a sterotypical Sith Lord like Revan is.

TKA-001
06-02-2008, 08:19 AM
Sure she is. She's just not written as one very often.

Kilppari
06-02-2008, 10:11 AM
So, I don't know how to start a poll. >_> yes, I'm a noobie. :)
but, here we go.

who was your favourite lead character? Reven or the Exile? which one had a better story?

personally, I think Reven was the better character, because the mission was so much more fun than the Exile's :D

Yeah, it was pretty cool to go after Star Maps and find out that you are former Sith Lord in K1, but the Exile gets my vote.
Why? As already stated there is more depht in her background and story. Exile's journey is about herself and hers past while Revan's who is going after Star Maps.

Rev7
06-02-2008, 08:46 PM
My favorite lead character would probably have to be Revan, and the one with the overall better story would have to be The Exile. I guess that you could say that I am spilt between the two. :D

Ctrl Alt Del
06-03-2008, 12:43 PM
Revan. For he/she's way too boasted on the series to not be the favorite.

Venom750
06-03-2008, 08:41 PM
Mine would be Revan cause it was far more engaging and worthwhile and found it to be so much better than the Exiles

DISTURBED 1
06-03-2008, 10:33 PM
My votes on revan.

Personally, I have to disagree with anybody who says his story isn't deep enough. Now, sure if you take just the information that you got from the game, I can see it. But if you read all the outside sources, I feel like revan definitely wins.

Just the fact that {SPOILER ALERT} :: he most likely made the conscious choice to become a dark lord in order to strengthen the republic, versus actually destroying it, and doing so to defend against the true sith, is amazing.

That, and come on......he built HK-47, and programmed him to call Malak a meatbag.
How freaking AWESOME is that?!!

Ravnas
06-03-2008, 11:08 PM
I'm not even going to explain why I like The Exile better, I've already been in this same argument on a another forum.

vodrev21
06-04-2008, 05:43 AM
I'm gonna have to say revan due to the fact you got to know more about him and he looked pretty bad ass. Dont get me wrong i liked the exile but i felt his/her story was still largely unexplained.

JCarter426
06-04-2008, 06:03 AM
Er...we don't learn about Revan at all in K1, and only second-hand rumor in K2. :confused:

99% of K2 was about the Exile's past, and how it shaped the person that they are, how it influences their decisions in the game. As far as character development goes, Exile beats Revan by a long shot, and has a past that isn't muddled in tall tales.

jonathan7
06-04-2008, 09:03 AM
I think the Exile is a far better charachter, I also prefer TSL story. I think the Exile is better in terms of personalisation as others have said, and the Exile is definatly a chrachter I can relate too.

Er...we don't learn about Revan at all in K1, and only second-hand rumor in K2. :confused:

99% of K2 was about the Exile's past, and how it shaped the person that they are, how it influences their decisions in the game. As far as character development goes, Exile beats Revan by a long shot, and has a past that isn't muddled in tall tales.

Begun, the fanboy wars have...

adamqd
06-04-2008, 09:32 AM
Revan over Exile all day, My complete hatred of Avellones idea of Star Wars pulls me out of the game, so I cant fully comment on Exiles story. Revan has little backstory, but what we found out and the way Bioware showed me this fits with exactly what I hoped for in a game and a Star Wars story. I try to learn about Exile but the triumvirate keep popping up and taking me to some kind of zombie, Greek myth pantomime... It's amazing that my 3 least favorite characters of all time are in the same game lol

DISTURBED 1
06-04-2008, 10:08 AM
[QUOTE=JCarter426;2472826]Er...we don't learn about Revan at all in K1, and only second-hand rumor in K2. :confused:[QUOTE]

Ummm....no offense intended, but........seriously? Are you high or something?? You learn a lot about Revan. Unless you just skipped all the dialogue.

jonathan7
06-04-2008, 10:10 AM
Ummm....no offense intended, but........seriously? Are you high or something?? You learn a lot about Revan. Unless you just skipped all the dialogue.

While I think JC may have slightly exaggerated, how much DO you learn about Revan?

JCarter426
06-04-2008, 12:23 PM
Not much. We know that he became Dark Lord of the Sith, underestimated Malak, wound up captured by the Jedi, brainwashed, and eventually defeated Malak. That's it. Revan's motives, goals, desires? Nada. In K1 we learn absolutely nothing about Revan other than he/she was a hero of the Republic-turned Sith Lord. And in K2 we just get vague impressions from people that either didn't know him (Mical, G0-T0, Atton), or were too close to be unbiased (Kreia, Canderous, the Council).

TKA-001
06-04-2008, 01:18 PM
I personally can't abide the balderdash about Revan "choosing" the dark side and "staying true to her/himself".

JCarter426
06-04-2008, 01:48 PM
That's what I'm talking about; Kreia says that's how it was, but Kreia probably doesn't want to admit that her student was a failure (which she does if the Exile falls as well, but that's another matter).

DISTURBED 1
06-04-2008, 02:39 PM
But its always a possibility, isn't it? After all, if you start reading the KotOR comics, you see what happened to him before he became the Lord of the Sith. Also, the guy is way more intellegent than you are giving him credit for. And I never said anything about staying true to himself, I simply pointed out an opposing argument, derived from outside sources other then the game, pertaining to the idea that it is possible that Revan chose to do what he did until a certain point, which would have been his ultimate corruption from the dark side.

As for the willpower and intellegence part, might I remind you how he sneakily made sure that Malak didn't know the entire plan? That he only attacked worlds that didn't ultimately matter to the Republic? Oh, and the fact that he knew what would happen when he scattered the Mandalorians. Because of him, they stayed as seperated, un-honorable mercenaries until about 50 or 60 years before Vader and Palpatine destroyed the Republic.

And I will point the fact that, like I said earlier, you have to read stuff from outside the game. So yes, on a strictly in-game basis, you don't get to know much about him, unless you're getting really philisophical, like I was. I always find his shift in personalities so intriguing; and it just gets better when he actually finds out who he was.

JCarter426
06-04-2008, 04:37 PM
But its always a possibility, isn't it?
No. Just the fantasy of a remorseful woman. :xp:

But I see what you're getting at. Yes, Revan did "choose" the dark side, instead of falling unintentionally like Malak. But there's a difference between that interpretation and Kreia's; Revan did fall, choice or no.

After all, if you start reading the KotOR comics, you see what happened to him before he became the Lord of the Sith.
Eh...not really. All we see is that he's some faceless figure that fights the Mandalorians. Well, we already knew that from K1.[/quote]

Also, the guy is way more intellegent than you are giving him credit for.[/quote]
I haven't commented on his intelligence at all. :confused:

As for the willpower and intellegence part, might I remind you how he sneakily made sure that Malak didn't know the entire plan? That he only attacked worlds that didn't ultimately matter to the Republic? Oh, and the fact that he knew what would happen when he scattered the Mandalorians. Because of him, they stayed as seperated, un-honorable mercenaries until about 50 or 60 years before Vader and Palpatine destroyed the Republic.
Eh...we don't really know that; we're given in K2 various opinions from people who, as I said before, either didn't know Revan or knew him too much to be unbiased. Not saying none of it's true, just that we don't know it. The developers of K2 really worked to make Revan into some living legend, so of course he has a bit of a mystery to him. And other authors' portrayals are pretty much the same. Unfortunately, that means we don't really know many things about him.

And I will point the fact that, like I said earlier, you have to read stuff from outside the game.
Eh...there aren't really any other sources. I haven't read the Bane novels, but from what I have read (the Revan holocron bit), it's pretty much the same.

So yes, on a strictly in-game basis, you don't get to know much about him, unless you're getting really philisophical, like I was. I always find his shift in personalities so intriguing; and it just gets better when he actually finds out who he was.
Ah, here we go. This is what I like to call the threshold between Revan and "my Revan" (or your Revan, in this case ;)). You really have to just use your immagination to fill in the blanks. Before I was talking about the canonical Revan, that is, the aspects of the character that are universal, because they're facts, not opinions. So, you might know a lot about your Revan, but that doesn't mean we know much about Revan Revan. (Though, from the sound of it, your Revan is a lot like mine. :p)

Oh, and...

Begun, the fanboy wars have...
:rofl: Didn't see that before. :D

DISTURBED 1
06-04-2008, 09:34 PM
[Quote] Eh...there aren't really any other sources. I haven't read the Bane novels, but from what I have read (the Revan holocron bit), it's pretty much the same. [Quote]

My source is Wookieepedia. All hail its glory.

I guess I go a bit overboard on Revan.....I always pictured him as a 3,800+ years earlier version of Anakin Skywalker. Which sorta makes sense, to me at least. He likes to tinker with mechanical stuff, he built a droid, he is one of the few to reach the heights of sith power and come back to the light side, he's supposedly a really good lightsaber duelist, and he races swoopbikes. Maybe this is all just in my head, but I say that makes him awesome.

Litofsky
06-04-2008, 09:58 PM
This is a tough one. I've played both game, although I found the plot from KotOR One a bit more... intriguing. Why? Here:

1) From the beginning, you are hinted at having 'Force Powers,' (after all, what's a Star Wars game without the Force?) but you never really discover the depth of your abilities until Dantooine.

2) While with the Jedi Council on Dantooine, you have the feeling that they know something you don't, and almost reveal it at a few points. *Cough*Master Vrook*Cough*

3) You attempt to search for the Star Maps, while completing various side-quests. While you can do this in the Second KotOR, I enjoyed the first one's much more (it's just a personal preference).

4) After you find out you're Revan, it adds almost a new layer to the story: Irony. You've been following in your own footsteps for quite some time now, and you have been traveling with the very same Jedi that caused your 're-programming' in the first place. That's what I call a relationship killer. :P Also, slaughtering Malak at the end brought a bit of closure. Maybe it was the fact that Revan got revenge, or that he was finally gone. Good riddance, too, if I may add!

Case and point (in my opinion :p).

TKA-001
06-04-2008, 10:54 PM
I personally thought that Vrook nearly spilling the beans almost ruined it. The other hints were ok, but they were just overdoing it when they wrote Vrook's lines in.

Rev7
06-05-2008, 12:56 AM
Not much. We know that he became Dark Lord of the Sith, underestimated Malak, wound up captured by the Jedi, brainwashed, and eventually defeated Malak. That's it. Revan's motives, goals, desires? Nada. In K1 we learn absolutely nothing about Revan other than he/she was a hero of the Republic-turned Sith Lord. And in K2 we just get vague impressions from people that either didn't know him (Mical, G0-T0, Atton), or were too close to be unbiased (Kreia, Canderous, the Council).
Well, I can't fully agree with that. You get to choose who Revan really is! That is probably why there really isn't a whole lot of information on him. You get to choose who Revan is (personality I guess, light/darkside...). ;)

JCarter426
06-05-2008, 03:55 AM
Well, I can't fully agree with that. You get to choose who Revan really is! That is probably why there really isn't a whole lot of information on him. You get to choose who Revan is (personality I guess, light/darkside...). ;)
No, no, no, no, no, no, no! :xp: It's not like that at all, because...

You don't get to choose who your PC in K1 is. Your PC is Revan. That's it. Once Malak tells you you're Revan, that's who you are. Problem is, we don't know who Revan was, so there's really not much of an impact if you already know (either because you figured it out or if you've played before). There isn't much character development for the PC because the PC isn't a real person. Malak basically tells you "you don't exist". And in K1 we got nothing on who Revan was, not even biased opinions. We get that in K2, so if you play K1 again after playing K2, it might mean something a bit more.

Now, take the Exile. We know who the Exile was. She went against the Council to fight the Mandalorians, did some rather terrible things in the war, and wound up losing her connection to the Force, and afterwards was exiled. Who the Exile was is mostly set in stone; there are a few player choices involved, but for the most part the player is told who the Exile was. Like how the player is told they were Revan. Only difference is that we get more info on who the Exile was, and there are more player choices in K2; in K1 the only major choices were light/dark and romance/no romance.

So while Revan is Revan always, and we don't get much info on Revan (not even until K2, presumably after you've played K1), in K2, who the Exile becomes is up to the player. Their pasts are equally set in stone, however, except that we learn about both pasts in K2, and the Exile's has more detail since K2 is more about the Exile than Revan.

Emperor Devon
06-05-2008, 05:22 AM
Their pasts are equally set in stone, however, except that we learn about both pasts in K2, and the Exile's has more detail since K2 is more about the Exile than Revan.

Not entirely. The Exile's actions are set in stone, but the reasoning for them is up to the player to decide. There's more than a few dialogues where NPCs ask 'why did you go back and face trial?' 'Why did you join in the Mandalorian Wars?' and other such similar questions.

Despite the Exile not being as disconnected from their past as Revan was, I thought s/he could be personalized far more than Revan was. Yes, you get to determine who s/he becomes like in KotOR I, but unlike with Revan you also get to choose who s/he was. It's a definitely an overlooked part of the game (but then again, most of TSL's best elements were very heavily veiled).

Q
06-05-2008, 05:57 AM
Yes, you get to determine who (the Exile) becomes like in KotOR I, but unlike with Revan you also get to choose who s/he was. It's a definitely an overlooked part of the game (but then again, most of TSL's best elements were very heavily veiled).Yes. This happens to be one of my favorite features of TSL, and it's one of several things that sets it apart from KotOR1.

jonathan7
06-05-2008, 08:21 AM
No, no, no, no, no, no, no! :xp: It's not like that at all, because... <snip>

I thought this may be of interest to everyone;

http://www.gamebanshee.com/starwarskotorii/chronicles.php

Particularly Part IX: Darth Revan Rising.

Gurges-Ahter
06-05-2008, 10:39 PM
Revan and K1, hands down. I very much liked TSL and the Exile, but both are well behind K1 and Revan, IMO. I read all the posts voting for the Exile, and I don't necessarily disagree with them; but Revan's character is much more intriguing to me.

Additionally, it seems as though Revan's character is much more polarizing as well. It's either devoted fanboy or "not enough backstory". The Exile often falls some where in between, it seems.

TKA-001
06-06-2008, 10:59 AM
A very good quality for a character to have, no?

Gurges-Ahter
06-06-2008, 12:03 PM
Which one - being polarizing or being somewhere in between?

I believe being polarizing is a very good quality for a character to have.

Burnseyy
06-08-2008, 04:12 PM
hmm, perhaps its because i played KOTOR 2 first, and KOTOR 1 second >.>
but i knew more about Revan when i played KOTOR 1, because of this.
but I have to agree with the person who said the side missions are more personal. the ones in KOTOR2 are so cliche and 'i love my friends' or whatever!

i do agree KOTOR2s storyline was better, but it was so weirdly confusing and had loads of mistakes in it, for it to be considered as good as KOTOR1.

All in all, i think Revan was the best, because you don't know who he is, until the end, and thats a real :O what?!
however, as the exile, you know who everyone is. i mean, there's kreia, but thats SOO obvious what she is.

TKA-001
06-08-2008, 04:16 PM
Kreia being a Sith isn't supposΞd to be a secret, so you can't really say that it being obvious is an error.

MacTavish
06-17-2008, 09:08 AM
I like the exile more, but if he hadnt had gone into hiding during the Jedi Civil War \/\/ would he have had a big influence on the outcome since he was a wound in the force? And it's interesting how much the story changes by putting Revan as a woman and playing the exile as a man, or vice versa.

mur'phon
06-17-2008, 10:14 AM
Exile, cause Revans "I'm doing it for the greater good, and just to make it interesting, I'll play Russian roulette at the same time" thing didn't make much sence to me.

Lord Foley
06-17-2008, 10:20 AM
I think the Exile is a much deeper character and the overall plot of the second game is more interesting, though I don't think you can hold it against Revan for having little personality or backstory, seeing as his mind was erased.

Darth_Yuthura
07-14-2008, 07:49 PM
My vote is for the Exile. S/he has a stronger personality and a much more defined past. I could not sympathize with Revan because he ultimately became the Dark Lord. The Exile has been through much more and has good reason to choose the DS. I could understand why the Council were the 'bad guys.' It's not that they're evil, but so arrogant that they're dangerous.

I like the Exile because I could respect the person she was. Although Revan was a leader, I didn't like him as much as Characters with a tragic past. The greatest jedi are not Bastila, Revan, Vandar, or Vrook. They are Juhani, Yuthura Ban, and the Exile.

TKA-001
07-14-2008, 08:45 PM
...even though Juhani was mentally unstable, Yuthura Ban quit the Jedi Order shortly after joining it, and the Exile was a murderous parasite who fed off of other people and sowed destruction wherever she/he went (regardless of alignment).

That makes a lot of damned sense.

Darth_Yuthura
07-14-2008, 09:14 PM
Juhani suffered great injustices, but was still able to turn back to the light. She was ashamed that she fell, despite all the reasons for her to be angry and hateful. It was because she fell that she would actively keep from falling again.

Yuthura Ban believed anger and hate were what allowed her to escape Sleheyron and kill Omeesh. She quit the order because she had been so dependent on her anger that she believed the jedi were restraining her. She also wanted to use the force to fight slavery. It wasn't until Revan asked 'has anything changed?' that she realized that it wasn't fighting slavery that she wanted. All she wanted was to escape the pain of her memories. (At least that's what I believe)

As for the Exile... she had the force stripped from her and was the scapegoat of Revan's defiance. Despite everything she had been accused of, she never let her anger get the best of her. It was also because she was a leader that she set an example for all who followed her. As Master Vash and ZKE stated... she did the right thing by acting for what she knew was right.

Rev7
07-15-2008, 01:42 AM
You don't get to choose who your PC in K1 is. Your PC is Revan. That's it. Once Malak tells you you're Revan, that's who you are. Problem is, we don't know who Revan was, so there's really not much of an impact if you already know (either because you figured it out or if you've played before).
Not entirely. The same thing happens in K2. You don't get to 'choose' your PC in K2. You are the Exile You learn that from the very beginning. We also really don't know exactly who the Exile is either. In K1 there was no hint that there was "the Exile". In K1 you know that there was Revan, and in K2 you know that there was Revan. We don't know all that much about the Exile in K2 without you choosing who she really is. You get the chance to justifiy why you made the choices that you did. You get to choose your path in both of the games. One just captures that choice a lot better. *cough* K2 *cough*
Now, take the Exile. We know who the Exile was. She went against the Council to fight the Mandalorians, did some rather terrible things in the war, and wound up losing her connection to the Force, and afterwards was exiled. Who the Exile was is mostly set in stone; there are a few player choices involved, but for the most part the player is told who the Exile was. Like how the player is told they were Revan. Only difference is that we get more info on who the Exile was, and there are more player choices in K2; in K1 the only major choices were light/dark and romance/no romance.
That is also true to an extent. Yes, we know what happened to the Exile, but we also know what happened to Revan. ;)
We know that he persuaded some of his fellow Jedi to join him in the Mandalorian Wars. We know that he became a Sith Lord, with Malak at his side. We know that Malak turned on him. We know that he participated in the Jedi Civil War. We know that Malak turned on him. We know that the Jedi Council erased his mind, ect...
And that K2 was the sequal to K1. ;)

So while Revan is Revan always, and we don't get much info on Revan (not even until K2, presumably after you've played K1), in K2, who the Exile becomes is up to the player. Their pasts are equally set in stone, however, except that we learn about both pasts in K2, and the Exile's has more detail since K2 is more about the Exile than Revan.
As I said, you get to choose your path in both of the games. In one of them you get the chance to justifiy your actions. I do agree that K2 has a lot more detail about the Exile, than K1 did about Revan. But I think that that is because it is a sequal. It will be different. I guess that is the best way that I could explain it. :giveup:

The thread is alive again. :sweat:

TKA-001
07-15-2008, 11:36 AM
Juhani suffered great injustices, but was still able to turn back to the light. She was ashamed that she fell, despite all the reasons for her to be angry and hateful. It was because she fell that she would actively keep from falling again.

Yuthura Ban believed anger and hate were what allowed her to escape Sleheyron and kill Omeesh. She quit the order because she had been so dependent on her anger that she believed the jedi were restraining her. She also wanted to use the force to fight slavery. It wasn't until Revan asked 'has anything changed?' that she realized that it wasn't fighting slavery that she wanted. All she wanted was to escape the pain of her memories. (At least that's what I believe)

As for the Exile... she had the force stripped from her and was the scapegoat of Revan's defiance. Despite everything she had been accused of, she never let her anger get the best of her. It was also because she was a leader that she set an example for all who followed her. As Master Vash and ZKE stated... she did the right thing by acting for what she knew was right.
I think you are confusing the term "good person" with the term "good Jedi".

Shadowolf
07-15-2008, 11:57 AM
Revan.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc5/FL_Punk/DarthRevan.jpg

jonathan7
07-15-2008, 12:13 PM
Revan.
<snip>

Wow, that was an impressive, well thought out, and brilliantly argued post...

:xp:

Rev7
07-16-2008, 01:30 PM
Wow, that was an impressive, well thought out, and brilliantly argued post...

:xp:
QFE.

TKA-001
07-16-2008, 05:20 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/MPK567/Motivate_Revan.jpg

Astor
07-16-2008, 05:23 PM
<snipped awesome picture with equally awesome caption>

Bravo, Good sir, Bravo! :)

Rev7
07-16-2008, 06:51 PM
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Yup. I like Vader. :)

Burnseyy
07-16-2008, 08:05 PM
:lol:

i ask a question and a big debate comes from it.
and awesome pictures.
>.>

Giant Graffiti
07-16-2008, 09:36 PM
*Snip*
:rofl: So true!

Shadowolf
07-16-2008, 10:38 PM
Hey, I wasn't bashing vader, that's just a pic I found that I thought was cool and funny. Besides, Bioware had to give Revan some freedom otherwise Kotor obviously wouldn't have been an rpg.

ThoraxeRMG
07-16-2008, 10:41 PM
Revan, because he actually has a background.
More than the Jedi Exile.

Astor
07-17-2008, 04:47 AM
Revan, because he actually has a background.
More than the Jedi Exile.

Excuse me? Are you sure it's not because, like many, you won't admit to a love affair with Revan? Let's have a look at background shall we?

Revan: Self righteous pain in a**, who, with his faithful sidekick, baldy, decides to go off and fight a war he has no business in fighting. He wins said war, and just 'somehow' becomes Dark Lord of the Sith.

Dark Lord of the Sith is captured, brainwashed and is all of a sudden a goody two shoes. He puts the beat down on ol' baldy and saves the universe.

Exile: Self righteuous pain in the a** who, on her own, decides to go and join Revan and baldy on their crusade. She has a big argument with Atris in the Temple wash-rooms about commitment. Along the way she kills many, and meets an Iridonian.

She then presses a big red button, and everything goes boom. She's banished, but shows up 5 years later thanks to an old nag and an annoying droid. She then fights 3 Sith Lords, including aforemention old nag. She then rebuilds the Jedi order.

So, actually, they have about the same amount of background.

jonathan7
07-17-2008, 07:35 AM
<snip>

To be honest AK; look at the sig - it's going to be a biased comment - Revan fanboyism is as big as it always was.

Personally I think they have a fair ammount of backstory - but a backstory you give them, hence it's hard to debate. I agree with JC though that the Exile is more 'customisable' than Revan. In that we know Revan went evil and Sith Lordy; where as the Exile, is much more the domain of the player as to what happened in his/her past.

Shadowolf
07-17-2008, 11:03 AM
Yeah the Exile is a lot more customizable, but I like Revan more. The Exile is still cool though.

jonathan7
07-17-2008, 11:42 AM
Yeah the Exile is a lot more customizable, but I like Revan more. The Exile is still cool though.

Fair enough :) It's a personal thing; I think that Revan was the pre-eminent force user of her(/his) era.

Burnseyy
07-17-2008, 02:43 PM
i prefered Revan, also, because there was always something to do - there was the visions, the mistrust, the hidden identity, and the star maps.
all the exile had was 'yeah i went to war, lost the force, want to kill/help jedi on the council.'

Revan's story had a twist, the Exiles wasnt that extraordinary.

Astor
07-17-2008, 02:53 PM
the Exiles wasnt that extraordinary.

That may be why I prefer her, then. I don't mind a bit of being Dark Lord of the Sith/Saviour of the Galaxy, but only in small doses, and i've never gotten the fanboyism that Revan attracts.

But now, I think i've realised it's because the exile isn't as important that I like her more. There's not as big a hint of destiny and history that Revan has.

RyuuKage
07-17-2008, 03:50 PM
Revan, hands down...overall seemed to be a more compelling character to me. The Exile seemed less developed, which is odd since every other party member generally has a lot a depth in K2.

Burnseyy
07-17-2008, 06:45 PM
That may be why I prefer her, then. I don't mind a bit of being Dark Lord of the Sith/Saviour of the Galaxy, but only in small doses, and i've never gotten the fanboyism that Revan attracts.

But now, I think i've realised it's because the exile isn't as important that I like her more. There's not as big a hint of destiny and history that Revan has.

like i said, it's probably because i played KOTOR2, first. :lol:

Revan, also, because you dont know hes this big extraordinary character until it's revealed near the end.

And who ever said Revan has no personality, it's supposed to be you being him/her isn't it? :confused:

Astor
07-17-2008, 06:57 PM
Revan, also, because you dont know hes this big extraordinary character until it's revealed near the end.

My friends told me about the 'twist' before I got to play it. So that could probably have something to do with my dislike of Revan... that I feel betrayed and bitter about it all. :(

RyuuKage
07-17-2008, 07:00 PM
My friends told me about the 'twist' before I got to play it. So that could probably have something to do with my dislike of Revan... that I feel betrayed and bitter about it all. :(

wow, that sux...i mean that's literally the pivotal plot point of the whole game. How many story twists do you get where you find out you used to be the scourge of the galaxy?

Burnseyy
07-18-2008, 04:14 PM
My friends told me about the 'twist' before I got to play it. So that could probably have something to do with my dislike of Revan... that I feel betrayed and bitter about it all. :(


oshh gutted. i hate it when people ruin things for me! i never ruin things for anyone else. :(

jonathan7
07-18-2008, 04:58 PM
Revan, hands down...overall seemed to be a more compelling character to me. The Exile seemed less developed, which is odd since every other party member generally has a lot a depth in K2.

I'm not sure we played the same games :p See I think the K1 party are much more developed than in TSL - but that there is alot more depth to the Exile than Revan :xp:

Astor
07-18-2008, 05:00 PM
I'm not sure we played the same games :p See I think the K1 party are much more developed than in TSL - but that there is alot more depth to the Exile than Revan :xp:

Yeah, TSL doesn't leave you to determine how 'supa powerfull' the Exile is, whereas K1 is often left open to interpretation.

Burnseyy
07-18-2008, 05:01 PM
I just think TSL wasnt very well developed, over all.

jonathan7
07-18-2008, 05:43 PM
I just think TSL wasnt very well developed, over all.

Lies. The ending was wonderful! ;)

(It is actually my favourite game, shame it wasn't finished as I think with M4-78, and the cut content, it would have been truly epic).

Astor
07-18-2008, 05:52 PM
(It is actually my favourite game, shame it wasn't finished as I think with M4-78, and the cut content, it would have been truly epic).

And it can be, when the modwrights who are forging the fabled 'TSLRP' do unleash it upon the lands... :lol:

Ctrl Alt Del
07-18-2008, 07:20 PM
Lies. The ending was wonderful! ;)
*Moans and groans*

Revan, hands down...overall seemed to be a more compelling character to me. The Exile seemed less developed, which is odd since every other party member generally has a lot a depth in K2.
Define depth. Is it their incomplete backstories? Or maybe their badly written lines?

Frankly, teh companions on K2, IMO, are as shallow as possible. Minimal to no life story at all, they also don't have principles, or so it would seem, as even the righteous Disciple will find himself converted to the Dark Side if the player seems fit.

Burnseyy
07-18-2008, 07:30 PM
*Moans and groans*


Define depth. Is it their incomplete backstories? Or maybe their badly written lines?

Frankly, teh companions on K2, IMO, are as shallow as possible. Minimal to no life story at all, they also don't have principles, or so it would seem, as even the righteous Disciple will find himself converted to the Dark Side if the player seems fit.


Mira doesn't seem to want to turn to the Dark Side though. ::

Ctrl Alt Del
07-18-2008, 07:47 PM
Mira doesn't seem to want to turn to the Dark Side though. ::

Which I find rather strange, considering her looks will change for something more... sinister.

TKA-001
07-18-2008, 09:24 PM
they also don't have principles, or so it would seem, as even the righteous Disciple will find himself converted to the Dark Side if the player seems fit.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to say about the quality of their characters. All I see is a textbook example of Dark Side Phobia.

Minimal to no life story at all
At this point, you're just freaking making stuff up.

RyuuKage
07-18-2008, 11:53 PM
Frankly, teh companions on K2, IMO, are as shallow as possible. Minimal to no life story at all, they also don't have principles, or so it would seem, as even the righteous Disciple will find himself converted to the Dark Side if the player seems fit.

They just seemed like they had a bit more complexity than the K1 companions, who were fairly 2-dimensional. Not saying that isn't true about some K2 people, but their backstories at least consisted (usually) of more than one single life-altering event (ie Juhani, Carth, Canderous, Zaalbar etc.). I guess i thought their stories were more interesting, even if i thought the characters themselves weren't as good.

Probably the best overall is Jolee though, just cuz he has a sorta checkered past, lol.

Ctrl Alt Del
07-19-2008, 04:39 PM
At this point, you're just freaking making stuff up.

Am I? Are you saying that you didn't noticed that the companions backstories felt incredibly incomplete? I think the best example to illustrate it is Atton. Hmm, interesting, assassins, Sith, torture... hmm, that's it? Already over?

And where's Visas' life tale? "My planet went nova and I became slave to a blabbering proto-sith lord." Yeah, that's it.


Not saying that isn't true about some K2 people, but their backstories at least consisted (usually) of more than one single life-altering event (ie Juhani, Carth, Canderous, Zaalbar etc.).
On that point you're mostly right, especially when we have Bao-dur in mind. Nevertheless, what I'm saying is that, despite of their stories originality or inspiration, they all seemed - and are - too incomplete.

Rev7
07-19-2008, 05:38 PM
like i said, it's probably because i played KOTOR2, first. :lol:


I too played KotOR II first. That might be why I like Revan a little bit more. They both are great characters to tell you the truth.

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I admitt that the characters in K1 had a much better background. I mean, you get to learn about Zaalbar on Kasyykyy (spelled wrong, I know. :/), Mission & her brother, Bastila and her mother, Carth and his son, wife, Saul, ect. Canderous with his war stories, and what not. There, IMO, was a lot more detail, and though, and story to the other characters in K1.

Burnseyy
07-19-2008, 05:42 PM
I too played KotOR II first. That might be why I like Revan a little bit more. They both are great characters to tell you the truth.

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I admitt that the characters in K1 had a much better background. I mean, you get to learn about Zaalbar on Kasyykyy (spelled wrong, I know. :/), Mission & her brother, Bastila and her mother, Carth and his son, wife, Saul, ect. Canderous with his war stories, and what not. There, IMO, was a lot more detail, and though, and story to the other characters in K1.

very true!
in K2, they dont really have mcuh of a back story. if they did, the game would be much more enjoyable i think.

TKA-001
07-19-2008, 07:21 PM
I thought the difference was that the party members didn't have their own sidequests[ in K2].

bally3000
07-19-2008, 09:20 PM
revan evil that makes him cool =P lol! i wish if you went evil then you could get the power to sevre the force like malak (what he does to visas planet) cause that would be fun =]

i prefer KotOR 1 although i like the way you can influance your crew but like alot o people are saying they didn't really have interesting background stories.

Burnseyy
07-19-2008, 10:30 PM
revan evil that makes him cool =P lol! i wish if you went evil then you could get the power to sevre the force like malak (what he does to visas planet) cause that would be fun =]

i prefer KotOR 1 although i like the way you can influance your crew but like alot o people are saying they didn't really have interesting background stories.


ahh, ste, i think you mean Darth Nihilus :lol:

jonathan7
07-19-2008, 11:41 PM
Revan evil that makes him cool =P lol! i wish if you went evil then you could get the power to sevre the force like Nihilus (what he does to Visas planet) cause that would be fun =]

Fixed ;)

bally3000
07-20-2008, 05:26 AM
lol i am dumb and thanks for fixing it... lol but still how cool would it be to attcually be able to do tht ^^

Astor
07-20-2008, 05:45 AM
I thought the difference was that the party members didn't have their own sidequests[ in K2].

That really is the only difference, and I don't think K2 suffers for that. It suffers for a lot of other reasons, but that's hardly one of them.

revan evil that makes him cool =P lol!

Hitler was evil too, does that make him cool?

bally3000
07-20-2008, 10:02 AM
Good point, good point, i hate u =P no i dnt really well sith then. cause he is a sith that makes him cool =P. although malak is a sith n he's not cool =/ ahhhh.... well most sith are cool lol

TKA-001
07-20-2008, 10:23 AM
So a villain can't be a good character?

bally3000
07-20-2008, 10:34 AM
So a villain can't be a good character?

a villian can be working for a good cause but can be doing it the wrong way. like the sith wanted to end the war with the mandalorians, but they may have done it the wronge way, resulting in thosands dead.

Ctrl Alt Del
07-20-2008, 12:28 PM
a villian can be working for a good cause but can be doing it the wrong way. like the sith wanted to end the war with the mandalorians, but they may have done it the wronge way, resulting in thosands dead.

I agree with the first phrase, but not with the rest of the statement. The Sith were the ones who proposed the mandalorians to engage the Republic on the first place.

TKA-001
07-20-2008, 01:11 PM
a villian can be working for a good cause but can be doing it the wrong way.
That is completely beside the point. I was talking about the quality of the character, not their objectives or morality or whatever. A character is made to entertain the reader or serve a purpose in the story. The character in question's morality has nothing to do with that.

bally3000
07-20-2008, 02:45 PM
oh i see sorry i thought ye ment the morality but there not for entertainment there real people THERE REAL PEOPLE!!!!!! hahaha

lol only joking am not a freak... lol i wish they were real tho

Darth_Yuthura
07-23-2008, 09:50 AM
The Exile is the better of the two because she always kept her ways, despite being provoked time and again by the injustices she has faced. The true villains were Atris and Vrook... or the High Council. The story also revolves around leadership and morals rather than defeating a clearly evil enemy. The best villains are those with a reason for their actions.

jonathan7
07-23-2008, 10:22 AM
oh i see sorry i thought ye ment the morality but there not for entertainment there real people THERE REAL PEOPLE!!!!!! hahaha

lol only joking am not a freak... lol i wish they were real tho

The Sith? I think there are enough megalomaniacs who like to torture people for fun running around the world already!

Darth_Yuthura
07-23-2008, 10:42 AM
That is completely beside the point. I was talking about the quality of the character, not their objectives or morality or whatever. A character is made to entertain the reader or serve a purpose in the story. The character in question's morality has nothing to do with that.

I don't agree with that. I think the best characters are those who have the strongest beliefs and are willing to fight for them. My favorite character is Yuthura Ban. I favor her because she has always been driven by a cause... it lead her to become the thing she was trying to defeat. Her beliefs in her original cause was what brought her back to the jedi after she realized that she was no longer fighting for her goal. She had the strength to face what she had become and chose to turn away from the sith. The Exile is much more like that than Revan.