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Tysyacha
06-06-2008, 07:19 PM
Now that Hillary Clinton's out...

Pho3nix
06-06-2008, 07:21 PM
I'm rooting for Obama.

Arcesious
06-06-2008, 07:22 PM
I'm tempted to vote for Yoda, but, in all seriousness, I'd vote for Barrack Obama if I was old enough... Come 2012 I'll finally be able to vote. All I can do is contribute some discussion about it, and participate in some polls on CNN and such...

Litofsky
06-06-2008, 07:33 PM
I agree. If Barack Obama chooses Hillary, he's going to have a tough time losing. If he doesn't, he'll be hard-pressed to win.

Anyways, I voted for Barack Obama. I,truthfully, don't want McSame McCain in the White House. Perhaps Obama will bring a new attitude to the White House, other than lust for power (however, I've yet to see that happen).

Corinthian
06-06-2008, 08:14 PM
I hope McCain wins. Unfortunately, I suspect Obama will win.

HodgePodge
06-06-2008, 08:27 PM
Honestly, both candidates scare me to death. McCain wants to destroy Net Neutrality, and Obama wants to federalize the oil companies. However, I suspect that Obama will win because he'll get the uninformed vote (not that people that vote for Obama are uninformed, but people that are uninformed will probably vote for Obama.) Ask 5 Obama supporters on the street why they support him, and you'll get at least one answer saying either, "Because he's black" or "Because he's charismatic." Neither of these are really valid reasons to vote for someone, but that doesn't seem to stop people.

Web Rider
06-06-2008, 08:29 PM
Being totally undemocratic-party for a change, I'm all for solidarity and will be voting for Obama, even though I would have preferred Hillary, low as she really ranks on my preferences for presidents.

Knowing the Democrats, Obama will pick the wrong person, and the Democrat supporters of Hillary will refuse to vote for him, and the Democratic party will shoot themselves in the foot...AGAIN. Well...at least they're keeping to their strengths.

Miltiades
06-06-2008, 08:37 PM
Whoever I'd vote for (probably neither if I was American), I think Obama will win, and I do prefer him to McCain.

Litofsky
06-06-2008, 08:39 PM
Being totally undemocratic-party for a change, I'm all for solidarity and will be voting for Obama, even though I would have preferred Hillary, low as she really ranks on my preferences for presidents.

Knowing the Democrats, Obama will pick the wrong person, and the Democrat supporters of Hillary will refuse to vote for him, and the Democratic party will shoot themselves in the foot...AGAIN. Well...at least they're keeping to their strengths.

I agree. However, I think that this race is about "The Lesser of Two Evils." Both of the Nominee's have some views that scare me, though I think that similar events will happen if either is elected. They'll just be disguised under different names.

Of course, that's my pessimistic side, and I'd like to be optimistic for a change: I hope that Obama chooses Hillary. I wanted her in the first place, if only for the reason that she seems like a very... cunning person. She seems to know how to handle herself, and that is an asset in the White House. Of course, she had to go and ruin it by doing a bunch of terrible things *Cough* Sniper-fire in Serbia. *Cough*

mimartin
06-06-2008, 09:33 PM
Honestly, both candidates scare me to death. McCain wants to destroy Net Neutrality, and Obama wants to federalize the oil companies. However, I suspect that Obama will win because he'll get the uninformed vote (not that people that vote for Obama are uninformed, but people that are uninformed will probably vote for Obama.) Ask 5 Obama supporters on the street why they support him, and you'll get at least one answer saying either, "Because he's black" or "Because he's charismatic." Neither of these are really valid reasons to vote for someone, but that doesn't seem to stop people.Yea ok. Could the 5 Obama supporters also be revolting from their uninformed decision to put the last guy in office, twice? Most uninformed voters I know are not supporting Obama and when asked the reason they say, “Because he is a Muslim.”

I’ll be voting for Obama, at the beginning of the process I was a Clinton supporter mainly because I thought the country and me personally prospered under her husbands leadership. I liked McSame before the campaign and his transformation into a Bush clone. I’ve had enough of that over the last 8 years.

Achilles
06-06-2008, 09:45 PM
^^^^

Agreed. Most people that I've spoken with that don't like Obama either can't come up with a good reason for disliking him or have bought into some strawman about him that they picked up from some talking head. Both of which, I suppose, could do a pretty good job of not sounding like "I don't like him because he's black" if the person making the statement tries hard enough ;)

Tysyacha
06-07-2008, 12:07 AM
I think federalizing (nationalizing) the oil companies is a colossally bad idea.

I also think continuing the war in Iraq, and POSSIBLY beginning one with Iran, is a colossally bad idea. So, which way do I turn? I'm rooting for Obama, although I honestly wonder how he plans to put his ideas into place during his term as President if elected.

As for McSame...he scares me. Doesn't he realize that the War on Terror will never end? Even if we wipe out every single terrorist in Iraq, there will still be terrorists in Iran, North Korea, Syria, Russia, Britain, Spain, and even here in the United States. Perhaps he knows the scope of the War on Terror all too well, and will not be satisfied until the whole world is at war again, "fighting terror" on one hand while inspiring it on the other.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed and my chin up.

Arcesious
06-07-2008, 12:42 AM
^ Agreed.

Some change is better than no change at all. That's one of many reasons why I'm not voting for Mccain. Or is it, McSame? Simply put, Obama and Clinton aren't all that great, but they will bring change that will be for the better. The crowds they speak to are too gullible. The democrats, if they win, will improve the country's economy somewhat, but it won't be as great as the people in these cheering crowds assume. We're still going to be stuck with a lot of big problems.

MdKnightR
06-07-2008, 12:48 AM
:tsk: You didn't include everyone who's still in the race in your poll. :disaprove

Corinthian
06-07-2008, 12:59 AM
When has any Non-Party affiliated candidate ever won an election?

Oh, that's right. Never. And Hell hasn't frozen over yet.

Achilles
06-07-2008, 01:07 AM
I think federalizing (nationalizing) the oil companies is a colossally bad idea. If it helps with your decision, Obama has not suggested that we nationalize the oil companies.

Totenkopf
06-07-2008, 02:14 AM
Frankly, Obama is not qualified to be president based on any of his accomplishments, though he obviously meets the minimum requirements to run for it. Unfortunately for Republicans, McCain is a bad choice as well. Right now, with four months to go, there is still sufficient time for either candidacy to implode or be torpedoed. It will be somewhat interesting to see who their running mates will end up being.

It was Maxine Waters (D, CA)that was calling for nationalizing (or at least said she'd favor that approach) "big oil". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaY3LhJ-IQ
She's such a blithering idiot.

mimartin
06-07-2008, 02:25 AM
Frankly, Obama is not qualified to be president based on any of his accomplishments, though he obviously meets the minimum requirements to run for it. What makes Obama under qualified? The D next to his name? Was President Bush more or less qualified than Obama 8 years ago? Don't worry I will answer that one. Less, a lot less.

Totenkopf
06-07-2008, 02:32 AM
On what do you base your assessment of Obama's apparent (to you, anyway) qualifications? His being a Democrat? Not being Bush? Being a mixed race candiddate? Just curious.

MdKnightR
06-07-2008, 02:42 AM
When has any Non-Party affiliated candidate ever won an election?

Oh, that's right. Never. And Hell hasn't frozen over yet.

If that was directed at me, you need to do some research. Ron Paul is affiliated with the Republican party.

Totenkopf
06-07-2008, 02:56 AM
While he is affiliated with the Rep party, he'd clearly have to run as an independent candidate for the Nov election.

mimartin
06-07-2008, 03:15 AM
On what do you base your assessment of Obama's apparent (to you, anyway) qualifications? His being a Democrat? Not being Bush? Being a mixed race candiddate? Just curious.

George Bush only public service experience before entering the White House was being the Governor of Texas. The Governor of Texas has no real power. The Lieutenant Governor of Texas holds the true power in state government. The governor is more of a cheerleader, yelling on to get the bills his party is endorsing passed. The governor does have the power to pardon or stop executions, but since Bush did neither during his time in office, abiding by the decisions of the board of pardons, I do not consider that experience. I will admit he was a very good cheerleader, he got the Democrats and the Republicans to work together and got the bills the special interest (insurance companies) wanted passed (too bad he did not use that skill once he got to Washington). Bush spent 6 years as Texas Governor, but really it was 5 since the last year he was running for president.

Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996 and then elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004 and took office January of 2005. Again, I would subtract one year for the Presidential election. Therefore, Obama has 10-year experience in government to Bush’s 5-years experience. Obama has experience both at the federal and state level. Bush only had state level experience.

Corinthian
06-07-2008, 03:33 AM
Geez, Mdknight, do you think I'm a complete idiot? I KNOW Paul is in the Party, but the fact remains that it doesn't matter any more so than the fact that Teddy Roosevelt was in the party - The Republicans aren't going to give Paul his own special ticket, not unless someone recently gave them a cranial drill intrusion.

Totenkopf
06-07-2008, 03:41 AM
And if Obama wants to run for the legislature, you might have a point. Since I wasn't comparing him to Bush (we both agree that we wasted our votes on him, 2x--though the alternatives we're still worse IMNSHO), Bush's experience (or lack thereof) isn't particularly relevant here. Oddly enough, the big three contenders till this past were all senators. :)

mimartin
06-07-2008, 04:01 AM
Was President Bush more or less qualified than Obama 8 years ago? Don't worry I will answer that one. Less, a lot less.
On what do you base your assessment of Obama's apparent (to you, anyway) qualifications? His being a Democrat? Not being Bush? Being a mixed race candiddate? Just curious.
Since I wasn't comparing him to Bush (we both agree that we wasted our votes on him, 2x--though the alternatives we're still worse IMNSHO), Bush's experience (or lack thereof) isn't particularly relevant here.

You asked for my assessment of Obama's apparent qualification and I was comparing him to Bush. I just don't understand why experience is an issue now when they were not an issue in 2000 when Bush was running. Back then people wanted someone from outside the beltway.

Achilles
06-07-2008, 04:05 AM
Back then people wanted someone from outside the beltway.Hey, maybe it was just like Texas then. You know, a front guy to do a bunch of cheerleading while others (i.e. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove, etc) were actually responsible for the policy.

Hmmm. Way to make sure we never elect another former Texas governor, mimartin.

mimartin
06-07-2008, 04:17 AM
Hmmm. Way to make sure we never elect another former Texas governor, mimartin.I remember studing it in Government Class in high school. The Governor of Texas became my dream job. It includes all the accolades with none of the responsibility.

MdKnightR
06-07-2008, 09:38 AM
Geez, Mdknight, do you think I'm a complete idiot? I KNOW Paul is in the Party, but the fact remains that it doesn't matter any more so than the fact that Teddy Roosevelt was in the party - The Republicans aren't going to give Paul his own special ticket, not unless someone recently gave them a cranial drill intrusion.

Just checking! :lol: I know it looks grim for his campaign, but I refuse to count my chickens before they hatch, even though that is the trend in politics in this country.

Totenkopf
06-07-2008, 12:34 PM
You asked for my assessment of Obama's apparent qualification and I was comparing him to Bush. I just don't understand why experience is an issue now when they were not an issue in 2000 when Bush was running. Back then people wanted someone from outside the beltway.

When you get right down to it, none of the last 3 candidates (Hilary included here) had any executive experience, so perhaps that issue becomes moot under the circumstances. Interesting that the Gov of Texas is only a figurehead. About the confusion re Bush, the comment "he's not Bush" probably could have been used as a throwawy line vis-a-vis any other dem candidate. Just figured that you think that even a retarded monkey could do a better job than Bush and figured you believed Obama was at least that smart. :D Frankly, saying that Obama (or anyone, ftm) is better than Bush is like saying someone should win a beauty contest b/c they're better looking than the cow that miraculously won (in your opinion) the last time. Being better qualified does not equal being qualified. Just thought that kind of yardstick was irrelevant.

Ghost Down
06-07-2008, 01:31 PM
If I could vote, I'd be voting for McCain!

Jae Onasi
06-07-2008, 02:11 PM
Arcesious--it's OK to vote in the poll for who you want to win, even if you aren't old enough to vote yet. :)

I added the "I honestly don't know" option for those of you who really don't know, but who are going to vote (or would vote if able).

EnderWiggin
06-07-2008, 02:45 PM
If I could vote, I'd be voting for McCain!

Seeing as you're from the Netherlands, how well versed are you on American Politics? Even if you are very well versed, your opinion is jaded due to it being from a foreign perspective and it should be treated as such.


I added the "I honestly don't know" option for those of you who really don't know, but who are going to vote (or would vote if able).

In my opinion, then, this makes the third decision unchoosable. (Which isn't a word.)

The question asks: Who will win?

The answers are then McCain, Obama, or 'I don't know.'

'I don't care' doesn't answer the question, and it is actually a bit disheartening that a US citizen would pick an option of this nature.

_EW_

Achilles
06-07-2008, 02:50 PM
'I don't care' doesn't answer the question, and it is actually a bit disheartening that a US citizen would pick an option of this nature.You're not allowed to be disappointed until someone asks to add the "Who are these people?" option.

JCarter426
06-07-2008, 02:51 PM
When has any Non-Party affiliated candidate ever won an election?
1789. :xp:

SilentScope001
06-07-2008, 03:34 PM
1789.

Please note however that George Washigtion was said to be a sympathizer of the Federalist Party.

So, it's the exception that proves the rule.

EnderWiggin
06-07-2008, 04:01 PM
You're not allowed to be disappointed until someone asks to add the "Who are these people?" option.

You say it to be glib, but there are those people close by. They just refrain from posting. :disaprove

_EW_

Gurges-Ahter
06-07-2008, 04:07 PM
I voted for Yoda, although it's not really that I don't care. I don't fully buy Obama's message for "change", and I don't know how much change would really benefit the US. It's an easy thing to say, but I'm a skeptic. He does say it well, though. I'll give him that. However, as a Republican, I don't like McCain at all. It's a very strange feeling that I'm having right now -- I'm actually sad that Hillary is out of the race.

Darth InSidious
06-07-2008, 05:53 PM
Dame Kelly Holmes is on for 2:1.

Achilles
06-07-2008, 06:16 PM
You say it to be glib, but there are those people close by. They just refrain from posting. :disaprove:I think that was cynicism you were detecting rather than glibness.

MdKnightR
06-07-2008, 07:17 PM
It's a very strange feeling that I'm having right now -- I'm actually sad that Hillary is out of the race.

Really? I popped open a Guinness Extra Stout to celebrate the occasion! :lol: :guiness:

Gurges-Ahter
06-07-2008, 07:23 PM
Really? I popped open a Guinness Extra Stout to celebrate the occasion! :lol: :guiness:
I thought I would too - believe me - but I guess I'm just not on the Obama bandwagon that so many are on right now. And in reality, McCain is so moderate that Clinton might be in the same ballpark as far as conservatism goes. Obama is off the deep-end.

mimartin
06-07-2008, 10:01 PM
McCain is so moderate that Clinton might be in the same ballpark as far as conservatism goes. The correct term is was. McSame was so moderate...

Obama is off the deep-end.On what issue or issues are you making this judgment?

EnderWiggin
06-07-2008, 11:37 PM
I think that was cynicism you were detecting rather than glibness.

Ahh, of course.

I thought I would too - believe me - but I guess I'm just not on the Obama bandwagon that so many are on right now. And in reality, McCain is so moderate that Clinton might be in the same ballpark as far as conservatism goes. Obama is off the deep-end.

Because of what reasons have you gotten off the bandwagon? And is this affecting your opinion as to who will win?

_EW_

Gurges-Ahter
06-08-2008, 12:06 PM
On what issue or issues are you making this judgment?"Off the deep end" was a strong choice of words. I only meant that in just about every conservative/liberal issue that is important to me personally, Obama takes the liberal view where I am conservative. I'd rather not get into those issues on this forum, however.
The correct term is was. McSame was so moderate... I wonder if that's just an attempt to earn more conservative votes, and not really indicative of how he will act once elected.
Because of what reasons have you gotten off the bandwagon? And is this affecting your opinion as to who will win? I was never on the bandwagon. And no, it doesn't affect my opinion as to who I think will win. Where's Peter the Hegemon when you need him? ;)

EnderWiggin
06-08-2008, 12:20 PM
I was never on the bandwagon. And no, it doesn't affect my opinion as to who I think will win. Where's Peter the Hegemon when you need him? ;)

I know, right? :D :D :D

Peter to the rescue.

_EW_

Achilles
06-08-2008, 04:32 PM
I wonder if that's just an attempt to earn more conservative votes, and not really indicative of how he will act once elected.Ignoring the fact that this would do nothing but establish that the Republicans have once more put forth a candidate that will say one thing and then do the exact opposite (i.e. a liar), let us consider that in order to test this hypothesis all we can do is cross our fingers as we vote and hope that this is the case. Needless to say, I'm not interested in gambling with my vote anymore than what is considered "normal".

The Source
06-08-2008, 04:57 PM
Unfortunately, I think Obama is going to win the general election. Since John McCain is a very weak Republican, I just don't see him rallying the party. I personally don't think Obama is going to attempt a debate with McCain. I personally believe that the Republicans are going to stay at home this time around. I expect Obama to be in office for one term. I actually expect anyone of the canadates to only have one term. I think the United States is going through a phase, which will allow some real leaders to step forward. After our country takes some time to flex, we will see a real run for the White House in 2012. I think the Republicans are retreating, so they can fight for another day. McCain is just not a strong cannidate. Plus, he is a Liberal running on the Republican ticket. Grrr... I think I am going to wait this voting cycle out myself. I want to see a hard hitter Republican arrive for an awsome 2012 battle. Obama is going to make some serious mistakes in office, and it will cost him the second term. I personally hate the man, but I do know he will win.

Obama's term will be similar in tone to George Bush senior. People will celebrate his arrival to the White House, but he will deliver nothing positive to the office. I personally believe he is a logo and slogon without substance, and people will finally see this to be true. If he turns into a radical - racial- president, we can allways impeach the man.

El Sitherino
06-08-2008, 06:58 PM
Unfortunately, I think Obama is going to win the general election. Since John McCain is a very weak Republican, I just don't see him rallying the party. I personally don't think Obama is going to attempt a debate with McCain. I personally believe that the Republicans are going to stay at home this time around. I expect Obama to be in office for one term. I actually expect anyone of the canadates to only have one term. I think the United States is going through a phase, which will allow some real leaders to step forward. After our country takes some time to flex, we will see a real run for the White House in 2012. I think the Republicans are retreating, so they can fight for another day. McCain is just not a strong cannidate. Plus, he is a Liberal running on the Republican ticket. Grrr... I think I am going to wait this voting cycle out myself. I want to see a hard hitter Republican arrive for an awsome 2012 battle. Obama is going to make some serious mistakes in office, and it will cost him the second term. I personally hate the man, but I do know he will win.

Obama's term will be similar in tone to George Bush senior. People will celebrate his arrival to the White House, but he will deliver nothing positive to the office. I personally believe he is a logo and slogon without substance, and people will finally see this to be true. If he turns into a radical - racial- president, we can allways impeach the man.

I like how such a long post is filled with absolutely nothing but meaningless fluff. Kudos to you sir.

The Source
06-09-2008, 04:21 PM
I like how such a long post is filled with absolutely nothing but meaningless fluff. Kudos to you sir.
Oh? I'm sorry El Sitherino. I thought this thread was "Who do you think will win the 2008 election?" I just answered in a quick summary why I feel as such. Did I do something wrong?

Just looking for clarity.

KinchyB
06-10-2008, 11:25 AM
Not the guy who wants to veto beer...

link (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/10/mccain-i-will-veto-every-single-beer/)

Guess who it is!!

McBush!

What a surprise...he is quickly becoming my favorite comedian.

But seriously...how can a guy who doesn't even understand what vernacular to use to properly address a crowd be elected president...? Yes, Bush is an exception...but I like to think that was before he had a stroke that gave him permanent brain damage...oh wait...nm...Side note...yet another similarity between McCain and Bush...a poor grasp of the english language :lol:!!

I'll try to give him the benefit of the doubt that it's political slang that is commonly (or not so commonly) used and it accidentally slipped out, but you should always be aware of who you are talking to and what you are saying, especially if you want to be the pres.

Regardless, McBush as president well never happen, and you can quote me.

Obama '08 Baby!!

Ghost Down
06-10-2008, 12:24 PM
Well spoken, The Source!

I feel pretty much the same way as you about it, but I'm not allowed to talk about US politics because I'm Dutchy :xp:

Achilles
06-10-2008, 12:30 PM
He has to veto the beer so that he has enough bottled hot water for the dehydrated babies.

I hate to sound crass, but what happens to the election if some mental health related tragedy befalls McCain after the convention?

The Source
06-10-2008, 01:01 PM
I hate to sound crass, but what happens to the election if some mental health related tragedy befalls McCain after the convention? If a president becomes incompasitated (sp?), the Vice President becomes President and The Head of the House of Representitives or Senate becomes Vice Predident.
Well spoken, The Source!
I feel pretty much the same way as you about it, but I'm not allowed to talk about US politics because I'm Dutchy :xp:
You people own almost everything in the world. Hehehe...

EnderWiggin
06-10-2008, 01:20 PM
If a president becomes incompasitated (sp?), the Vice President becomes President and The Head of the House of Representitives or Senate becomes Vice Predident.


This doesn't answer the question he asked.

He asked what would happen to the election if McCain falls ill after the convention.

Nowhere did he make any mention of a president - I'm sure he knew what would happen if a president can no longer serve.

_EW_

MdKnightR
06-10-2008, 01:40 PM
He has to veto the beer so that he has enough bottled hot water for the dehydrated babies.

I hate to sound crass, but what happens to the election if some mental health related tragedy befalls McCain after the convention?

Perhaps the nomination will go to the only other person who stayed in the race that long....hint, hint. ;)

EnderWiggin
06-10-2008, 01:51 PM
Perhaps the nomination will go to the only other person who stayed in the race that long....hint, hint. ;)

HRC?

Barack v Hillary round 2. :xp:

_EW_

MdKnightR
06-10-2008, 02:26 PM
HRC?

Barack v Hillary round 2. :xp:

_EW_

He said...what happens to the election if some mental health related tragedy befalls McCain after the convention?

Who else is running for president on the Republican side? I'll give you 3 guesses, but you'll only need one. :D

EnderWiggin
06-10-2008, 02:39 PM
He said...

Who else is running for president on the Republican side? I'll give you 3 guesses, but you'll only need one. :D

:lol:

I was just trying to rattle your chain. I knew full well who you were referring to. :D


_EW_

Achilles
06-10-2008, 04:10 PM
He asked what would happen to the election if McCain falls ill after the convention. Quite right :)

Nowhere did he make any mention of a president - I'm sure he knew what would happen if a president can no longer serve. We surrender to Canada, right? :xp:

EnderWiggin
06-10-2008, 04:11 PM
We surrender to Canada, right? :xp:

What else can we do? :D

Luckily the mounties will help us, eh?

_EW_

No offense intended. :xp:

Litofsky
06-10-2008, 04:16 PM
We surrender to Canada, right? :xp:

What else can we do? :D

Run to some remote, desolate location? (http://spp.gov/) :p

Achilles
06-10-2008, 04:25 PM
Run to some remote, desolate location? (http://spp.gov/) :pThat website should have New World Order by Ministry playing as a midi in the background. That would be awesome!

Litofsky
06-10-2008, 04:28 PM
That website should have New World Order by Ministry playing as a midi in the background. That would be awesome!

That would surely be interesting. I wonder how that would sit well with "Pappa Bush," though. :p

Bimmerman
06-10-2008, 08:04 PM
Definitely Obama. Clinton's out, thankfully, McCain is just another duplicate of the past horrendous 8 years, and Ron Paul is for all intents not going to get the nomination or any number of meaningful votes. So I'm rooting for Obama.

Darth InSidious
06-10-2008, 08:31 PM
We surrender to Canada, right? :xp:

The interesting thing is, up until the 1930s, IIRC, there was a plan in place to invade the US from Canada...

Litofsky
06-10-2008, 09:06 PM
The interesting thing is, up until the 1930s, IIRC, there was a plan in place to invade the US from Canada...

By which Nation? Is this a plan from World War II, or independent of the Axis?

Achilles
06-11-2008, 01:10 AM
The interesting thing is, up until the 1930s, IIRC, there was a plan in place to invade the US from Canada...I thought it was more recent than that, but you could be right. I guess if you have a plan on file to invade anyone, it saves you the trouble of having to throw something together last minute.

God bless America.
By which Nation? Is this a plan from World War II, or independent of the Axis? By us. I can't remember which documentary I saw it discussed in, so I can't source this but the story is that the U.S. had invasion scenarios on file for every country in the world (even allies).

Web Rider
06-11-2008, 02:31 AM
you know, I have to say, looking back, I didn't answer the question honestly.

HONESTLY: I don't think Obama will win. Not because the nation is racist, not because we're not ready for a black president, but simply, between McCain and Obama, who are the only two candidates that will get any number of votes to bring them close to being elected, McCain is more qualified.

I also think the Republican party will simply stifle it's dissent and vote for him. The democrats on the other hand will bicker and complain over Hillary not being the candidate or possibly the VP, and either not vote, Vote for McCain, or vote for some independant, AS USUAL.

So yeah, I think McCain will win.

Achilles
06-11-2008, 03:17 AM
If McCain wants to win it, then he ought to either stop making stop making stupid mistakes like these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfealLrWLIY) or find something other than Foreign Policy for his key campaign issue.

42% (http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm) of Americans are saying that the economy is the top priority to them. Considering that McCain has not once but several times stated that economics is not his strong point, and went so far as to propose a ridiculous gas-tax holiday to just to prove his point, I think I'll refrain from sharing your optimism for the Republican.

Totenkopf
06-11-2008, 03:38 AM
By which Nation? Is this a plan from World War II, or independent of the Axis?

Actually, I recall reading somewhere that the US had plans on file for fighting England, Canada, Japan and a whole host of others (not simultaneously). I think it was in the interwar (WW1/WW2) era or earlier. But hell, that's what those guys get paid to do during "peacetime". Still, no plan survives contact with the enemy, military or economic (look at all those failed 5 yr plans). Did a google search for plans to attack US through Canada and after 140 selections (stopped at that point), found a reference in following article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

I'm hoping that the next administration is merely a caretaker one. Doubt that either Obama or McCain would make good presidents (thus great is out of the question). McCain is a weak rep/lame dem and Obama is a socialist/commie in orientation. Both are probably also globalists. The only salvageable grace to a McCain term would be his possible picks for the judicial branch (SC and lesser ones).....assuming he's not pulling a bait and switch play there.

RE McCain and beer..........probably a freudian slip. Campaigns are enough to drive the voter to drink, the candidates as well. :)

EnderWiggin
06-11-2008, 06:27 AM
HONESTLY: I don't think Obama will win. Not because the nation is racist, not because we're not ready for a black president, but simply, between McCain and Obama, who are the only two candidates that will get any number of votes to bring them close to being elected, McCain is more qualified.


Overall, or on specific points? I agree with Achilles; what about the economy?

I also think the Republican party will simply stifle it's dissent and vote for him. The democrats on the other hand will bicker and complain over Hillary not being the candidate or possibly the VP, and either not vote, Vote for McCain, or vote for some independant, AS USUAL.


Hmmm, that's some interesting language. To say that the democrats will "bicker" and vote Republican "as usual" is an interesting generalization.

_EW_

Darth InSidious
06-11-2008, 08:05 AM
By us. I can't remember which documentary I saw it discussed in, so I can't source this but the story is that the U.S. had invasion scenarios on file for every country in the world (even allies).

Actually, I think we had one to invade you via Canada as well, although I may be getting fuddled with age and mixing myself up over Defence Scheme No. 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Scheme_No._1)

Litofsky
06-11-2008, 10:27 AM
I have a feeling that, before the Summer is up, this race is going to get very ugly. Television advertisements will be smearing each candidate, and saying, "Vote for me, because I'm on T.V.!" And, sadly, people will. It's all about exposure, isn't it?

As for McCain's slip-ups on the campaign, I understand if he makes a mistake every once in a while, but calling Putin the President (or did he say Prime Minister...) of Germany is just plain scary. Those running for Presidents should have the names of other major country's leaders down cold. Him stating that the economy is not his strong point is just annoying. Most Americans (according to Achilles' poll) are concerned with our economy, and the Republican candidate says it's not his strong point? That's infuriating!

Anyways, I've stated that, if Obama chooses Hillary as his Vice-President, he'll be at an advantage. The Democrats will be united on this issue, and will be able to throw their full force behind the Campaign. Of course, if I had control of the Democratic Party, I'd make it so that the candidates with the two highest delegate counts would become the nominees for President and Vice-President, respectively.

Web Rider
06-11-2008, 10:53 AM
Overall, or on specific points? I agree with Achilles; what about the economy?
I don't necessarily think his views make him more qualified, but just his worldly experiance will put him one step ahead. I do agree he's made some pretty stupid policy statements so far...like not supporting the GI Bill...


Hmmm, that's some interesting language. To say that the democrats will "bicker" and vote Republican "as usual" is an interesting generalization.

_EW_

bicker yes, but "as usual" was seperated from what they would do, meaning they won't ONLY vote republican to protest, they'll vote independant, green, or not at all. Something other than Democrat which while not giving McCain votes leaves less for the Democrats.

Arcesious
06-11-2008, 12:25 PM
It's going to be a close race. (More like Indecision 2008... >_>)

EnderWiggin
06-11-2008, 12:34 PM
It's going to be a close race. (More like Indecision 2008... >_>)

Wow. It's not like you got that from The Daily Show or anything :xp:

_EW_

Arcesious
06-11-2008, 04:07 PM
Actually, I did... :xp:

I just decided that I wouldn't mention that since comedy media shows aren't a good source for an argument, and I wasn't make an debating point...

KinchyB
06-11-2008, 04:46 PM
An interesting link (http://electoralmap.net/index.php)

The data for this map comes from the Intrade prediction market where there are real-money contracts for each individual state based on how it will award its 2008 electoral votes.

So basically trying to determine who's going to win what state by how people are betting. Vegas has to be loving this contest... :xp:

Achilles
06-11-2008, 05:25 PM
I'll see your InTrade and raise you a RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/). :D

FWIW, I think McCain last best chances are all behind him. It's only going to get worse for him from here on out.

Totenkopf
06-11-2008, 05:46 PM
No doubt. Even if he could manage to avoid any more stupid flubs.....the main stream media have drunk the Obama Kool-Aid and are in the Halleluja chorus for BO. Sadly, the "mainstream" media in this country is far from objective. Obama is their horse in this race and I expect them to act accordingly.