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JCarter426
06-23-2008, 08:15 AM
Lots (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25272678/) of (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-06-22-pregnancy-pact_N.htm) links (http://wbztv.com/local/gloucester.high.school.2.751873.html)

Apparently at Gloucester High School (that's pronounced "GLOU-stah" for you out-of-staters ;)) there is a "pregnancy pact"--that is, teenage girls making a pact to get pregnant together. At least, that's what the story is now; some questions have been raised as to the veracity of the story. Though, considering how many crazies there are here, odds are the big surprise of the story is that it's even worse than it sounds. ;)

All I have to say if the story is true, not only should this pact be stopped, but anyone who even thinks of ever making the pact should be legally restricted from having children ever. ;) So...discuss.

jonathan7
06-23-2008, 08:55 AM
Some people have serious issues.

Why on earth do they want to be parents so young? Anyone think they feel unloved by parents, and are looking for someone to be dependant on them?

Pho3nix
06-23-2008, 09:04 AM
Anyone think they feel unloved by parents, and are looking for someone to be dependant on them?
Having kids is a pretty selfish act in any case in my opinion, this is a huge generalization, but I thought I'd post it anyway.

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If they're young and have children there's two possible reasons (I'm ignoring biological aspects):

a) The mother tries to fill that "emptiness" inside of her with a child, or she's looking for a meaning in life where the child steps in.

b) The child is accidental.

And when people get older they have kids because:

a) It's a social norm to have kids, so women have kids just so they can "fit in" and not feel outside if their friends already have a family etc. Plus they might have pressure from relatives/parents as well.

As for the article, I truly hope that the pact doesn't exist.

JediAthos
06-23-2008, 09:07 AM
I fail to understand it as well jonathan7...the only thing I can come up with is that they simply fail to understand the rigors of actually being a parent. Lord knows I had no clue until I had two kids myself, and my kids are young..I suspect that I won't really get it until they're a little bit older and I've had to deal with some of the situations that my parents dealt with.

There's actually a show getting ready to air on nbc called The Baby Borrowers. http://www.nbc.com/The_Baby_Borrowers/about/index.shtml

I think that any parent who has a teenager ought to sit down and watch this show with their kid...I know I would if mine were old enough.

Pho3nix: I think you're forgetting a couple of other reasons people have kids:

1.) they WANT to which has nothing to do with social norms...my wife and I wanted to have children and it had nothing to do with our friends or anything even resembling that.

2.)it's also written into the biology of every species on earth to procreate.

EnderWiggin
06-23-2008, 10:50 AM
I heard about this too.

I also heard that some of them went out and found a random hobo because they didn't want the repercussions of having sex with a friend.

Seems to be confirmed by these articles:

Sullivan told the magazine that the pact wasn't the only shocking incident.
"We found out one of the fathers is a 24-year-old homeless guy," he told Time.

_EW_

Mace MacLeod
06-23-2008, 10:39 PM
the only thing I can come up with is that they simply fail to understand the rigors of actually being a parent.
We have a winner.

Pregnancy pact = mind-boggling in its stupidity. If that's indeed what happened; haven't been following this too closely. My eyes almost roll out of their sockets every time this story gets mentioned.

Achilles
06-23-2008, 10:54 PM
2.)it's also written into the biology of every species on earth to procreate.QFT

Arcesious
06-23-2008, 11:19 PM
This is yet another example of the sad state our society is in... :(

Det. Bart Lasiter
06-24-2008, 02:03 AM
I really wish they wouldn't have kids. Ever.

EnderWiggin
06-24-2008, 08:18 AM
I really wish they wouldn't have kids. Ever.

They don't deserve the ability to pass on their genes.

I think that this concept ties closely into the 'Sexual Promiscuity of this Generation' I made a while ago.

Kids think it's ok to go out and be sexually active. What society accepts is too much.

_EW_

Pho3nix
06-24-2008, 08:38 AM
Pho3nix: I think you're forgetting a couple of other reasons people have kids:

1.) they WANT to which has nothing to do with social norms...my wife and I wanted to have children and it had nothing to do with our friends or anything even resembling that.
I believe you, but I still think It's more complicated than that, there has to be some underlying psychological (and biological) aspects as well.

2.)it's also written into the biology of every species on earth to procreate.
Indeed, but as I stated in my post I was ignoring biological aspects.

jawathehutt
06-24-2008, 09:51 AM
man that place even puts my school to shame and we have the highest preganancy rate in Wisconsin and the 2nd highest STD rate in the state.

JediAthos
06-24-2008, 10:19 AM
I think the other problem we have is failure to educate, and communicate mostly on the family end. The schools are limited by their curriculum, but that doesn't mean that the curriculum can't be changed to adapt to the current times and I believe it should be. I know the sex-ed classes I got were probably outdated by at least 10 years and it wouldn't surprise me if the same thing is true today.

Going back to what I said about family...I think that in the United States a lot of people are afraid to talk about sex, and then if you throw religion into the mix which in some cases vilifies sex you end up with crap like this happening. It's truly a sad state of affairs.

*Don*
06-24-2008, 04:26 PM
One of the fathers was a 24 year old homeless man?

I recently told my girlfriend about this story and, disturbingly, the first thing out of her mouth was:

"Who becomes homeless at 24?"

Honestly, this truely disturbs me. Teenage girls these days are way more promiscuous than before and don't treat preganancy with the serious thought that it truely deserves.

Inyri
06-24-2008, 04:28 PM
Honestly, this truely disturbs me. Teenage girls and boys these days are way more promiscuous than before and don't treat preganancy with the serious thought that it truely deserves.Fixed. :)

Remember before you start pointing fingers: it takes two. If I may be slightly biased, men are typically even less responsible, because they don't have to carry a child.

mur'phon
06-24-2008, 04:33 PM
^^there bias removed:D

*Don*
06-24-2008, 10:53 PM
Fixed. :)

Remember before you start pointing fingers: it takes two. If I may be slightly biased, men are typically even less responsible, because they don't have to carry a child.


I don't think you're being biased. I agree that men are typically less responsible.
However, once the woman is pregnant, the man usually has to deal with the headache of providing child support, so I guess that balances it out...

mur'phon
06-25-2008, 05:29 AM
He can just runs off, try to avoid paying anything at all, atempt to force her to have an abortion. Besides, Even if he pays without complaint, he might still not want to raise the child which makes the girl a single teenage mother, not a fun position to be in. And child support tend to be a lot less than 50% of the cost. So no, I disagree that paying child support balance things out.

*Don*
06-25-2008, 11:23 AM
He can just runs off, try to avoid paying anything at all, atempt to force her to have an abortion. Besides, Even if he pays without complaint, he might still not want to raise the child which makes the girl a single teenage mother, not a fun position to be in. And child support tend to be a lot less than 50% of the cost. So no, I disagree that paying child support balance things out.

Is that legal?
I was under the impression that the courts can force a biological father to pay child support...
And I don't think you can force a girl to have an abortion against her will...
Besides, many of those men are poor themselves so paying the child support can take a considerable chunk out of their income.

mur'phon
06-25-2008, 11:38 AM
Legal? No. Possible? Yes. A lot of places the police don't have the funding to get the guy to pay. And while you can't force an abortion, unless you are crazy enough to pound the belly, in which case the police will come after you. You can however be a total *******/threaten, which can make it hard for the girl to refuse one. As for the males being poor, on average, men are wealthier than women, and unless the law is very different in the U.S, child support<<the cost for the single parrent.

jawathehutt
06-25-2008, 12:36 PM
I dont think it matters what gender the kids are in this case, theyre all under 25 meaning that none of them have a real job yet and thus no substantial income.

KinchyB
06-25-2008, 01:11 PM
Well...on the plus side...this story is turning out to be a "fake" of sorts...

The pact portion of the story is apparently not true. The source of the story was the principal who is now saying he can't remember saying that and that his memory is "fuzzy". Supposedly he mentioned the pact as a way to right off why his school's pregnancy rate quadrupled (need to check the source on that again) over the course of a year.

The "true" part of the story is that the teens did get pregnant, which is very unfortunate imo as they are way too young to know what is going on. I guess we could say at least they aren't crazy enough to do a pact...i'm reaching for some positivity here. :confused:

At work at the moment, but when i find it again I'll post the story where they talk about the principal.

Rev7
06-25-2008, 03:03 PM
Why on earth do they want to be parents so young? Anyone think they feel unloved by parents, and are looking for someone to be dependant on them?
They might want someone to love them unconditionally. :(
Fixed. :)

Remember before you start pointing fingers: it takes two. If I may be slightly biased, men are typically even less responsible, because they don't have to carry a child.
That is true.

The pact portion of the story is apparently not true. The source of the story was the principal who is now saying he can't remember saying that and that his memory is "fuzzy". Supposedly he mentioned the pact as a way to right off why his school's pregnancy rate quadrupled (need to check the source on that again) over the course of a year.

The "true" part of the story is that the teens did get pregnant, which is very unfortunate imo as they are way too young to know what is going on. I guess we could say at least they aren't crazy enough to do a pact...i'm reaching for some positivity here. :confused:
Hmm. Quadrupled!? Wow.

I don't think that it is really our business, to tell you the truth. I'm really not sure if there is anything that we can really do to stop this. We cannot stop these people from having sex, and getting pregnant. We can educate them on the matter, but I don't think that there is much else that we can do. I certainly wish that there is something that we could do.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

M@RS
06-25-2008, 03:04 PM
They wanted to become parents, because a lot of teenagers think that when they become a parent they become an adult faster...which is wrong :(

EnderWiggin
06-25-2008, 10:42 PM
Fixed. :)

Remember before you start pointing fingers: it takes two. If I may be slightly biased, men are typically even less responsible, because they don't have to carry a child.

Very good point, Inyri.

He can just runs off, try to avoid paying anything at all, atempt to force her to have an abortion. Besides, Even if he pays without complaint, he might still not want to raise the child which makes the girl a single teenage mother, not a fun position to be in. And child support tend to be a lot less than 50% of the cost. So no, I disagree that paying child support balance things out.

Agreed. Very much so.

Well...on the plus side...this story is turning out to be a "fake" of sorts...

The pact portion of the story is apparently not true. The source of the story was the principal who is now saying he can't remember saying that and that his memory is "fuzzy". Supposedly he mentioned the pact as a way to right off why his school's pregnancy rate quadrupled (need to check the source on that again) over the course of a year.

The "true" part of the story is that the teens did get pregnant, which is very unfortunate imo as they are way too young to know what is going on. I guess we could say at least they aren't crazy enough to do a pact...i'm reaching for some positivity here. :confused:

At work at the moment, but when i find it again I'll post the story where they talk about the principal.

Please do. I don't know whether or not this makes it better or worse. The idiocy shifts from the kids to the principal. Good role model.

_EW_

Achilles
06-26-2008, 04:33 AM
Please do. I don't know whether or not this makes it better or worse. The idiocy shifts from the kids to the principal. Good role model.Not necessarily. If he made some off the cuff comment such as, "I don't know. Heck, maybe they made a pact or something." that got spun into "Principal declares that increased pregnancy rate can be attributed to 'secret pact'" by the 24/7 news cycle machine, then I don't think he's entirely to blame.

Would have said hypothetical comment been less-than-ideal? Sure. Is the principal a moron for what hypothetical news-whores did to his hypothetical comment? No, not really. I think that's the point our penguin-loving friend was trying to make.

EnderWiggin
06-26-2008, 05:45 PM
Not necessarily. If he made some off the cuff comment such as, "I don't know. Heck, maybe they made a pact or something." that got spun into "Principle declares that increased pregnancy rate can be attributed to 'secret pact'" by the 24/7 news cycle machine, then I don't think he's entirely to blame.

Would have said hypothetical comment been less-than-ideal? Sure. Is the principle a moron for what hypothetical news-whores did to his hypothetical comment? No, not really. I think that's the point our penguin-loving friend was trying to make.

Very true. I didn't think of it like that.

Thanks :)

_EW_

The Source
06-27-2008, 12:13 PM
Lol... I know the water is horrible in Boston, and now we know what happens if you drink it. Lol... Stupidity, under aged precnancy, and nieve perception of reality. Thank god I live in the southern portion of the state.

I cannot believe that some of them actually believe this is a good thing. Massachusetts allways wanted to be in the news, but for god sakes parents, "Please put a chastity belt on your children." Lol...

Massachusetts Rules!
:lol::lol::lol:

I need a new state to live in. Grrr... We need to invest in one of those "Spaceballs" virgin alarms.

Relenzo2
07-08-2008, 07:40 PM
^^^ Woah, there... Mel Brook's version of reality is very strange. But, if you really want to go there, watch his other movie "Men in Tights". My opinion has gotten by now that I almost believe the only good part of those things are the songs

I don't think that it is really our business, to tell you the truth. I'm really not sure if there is anything that we can really do to stop this. We cannot stop these people from having sex, and getting pregnant. We can educate them on the matter, but I don't think that there is much else that we can do. I certainly wish that there is something that we could do.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

You're not wrong. But we're not saying that much was done. Somebody should educate these people, for Force's sake! (And probably aren't right now.) Of course the school can't be expected to take responsibility for that, and neither can the families, or anyone, if you know what I mean.

JediAthos
07-09-2008, 01:37 AM
Relenzo...did you really mean that families can't be expected to take responsibility for educating children?

If that's the case..I'm sorry, but you're incorrect. It is very much the parents responsibility to educate their children on sex, and the consequences that can arise from having unprotected sex. They can't stop their kids from doing the things they do but they can and should make damn sure they are educated properly.

JCarter426
07-09-2008, 06:36 AM
Lol... I know the water is horrible in Boston, and now we know what happens if you drink it.

Er...you mean Gloucester (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS277US277&q=Gloucester,+MA&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=image).

Relenzo2
07-09-2008, 09:53 AM
Relenzo...did you really mean that families can't be expected to take responsibility for educating children?



Immediate Reply: Of Course not! I was being sarcastic, 100%. I was just saying that few people are actually going to step up and take responsibility for lapses like this, because there are so many people to push the blame on.

JediAthos
07-09-2008, 10:46 AM
Just checking!

Couldn't agree more, and as I said in a previous response I think that too many parents are afraid to sit their kids down and talk to them about stuff like this. I've already told myself that when my kids are old enough they will have all the information that I can give them. After that if they still go out and do something stupid...well I'll have to deal with that if it happens :)

EnderWiggin
07-09-2008, 12:40 PM
And that's all you can do, Athos.

Gotta give your kids the power to make the right choice, but you can't force them to - because that's a surefire way to convince them to make the wrong one.

_EW_