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luckyariot
06-25-2008, 12:20 PM
Okay, I've seen a bunch of these vs. threads, and that got me (and my brother) wondering who would win in a fight of Juhani vs. Visas. Because we can't decide, I chose to post this and watch the fists fly. :D

Scenario 1: Basic Sparring. No force powers.

Scenario 2: "You're in my way". (My brother thought of this) What if the (M)Exile and (F)Revan were in trouble, and to rescue them, Visas and Juhani had to fight to save one or the other. Heh, high stakes.

Scenario 3: Force Battle. Just force techniques. Light and dark.

Scenario 4: Hand-to-Hand combat. No weapons or force-powers. (Not Echani style, sorry guys :xp:)

Scenario 5: All-out-battle. Just use whatever you can to defeat the enemy.

I'll post my opinions when some people have posted theirs. Let the battle begin!:lol:

Giant Graffiti
06-25-2008, 12:29 PM
1. Lightsabers? If so my guess is Juhani.

2. Most likely Visas.

3. I can't really say on this one.

4. Juhani, again.

5. Probably Visas.

TKA-001
06-25-2008, 01:33 PM
Δepends on how the player develops their stats as the game goes on, since no canonical measurement of their abilities is given. I see no fair way to decide the outcome of any of these [hypothetical scenarios].

luckyariot
06-25-2008, 04:42 PM
Yeah, TKA, I know. But I just wanted some opinions outside of game stats.

Robondacob
06-25-2008, 05:14 PM
Scenario 1: Juhani

Scenario 2: Juhani because Visas would kill herself for some strange reason.

Scenario 3: Visas.

Scenario 4: Juhani

Scenario 5: Visas.

HIGH ON PIE 14
06-25-2008, 05:39 PM
1. Juhani

2. Visas - given the great need she seems to have for the male exile I would think Visas would do anything to save him, where as Juhani...while she likes Revan...well she's not as crazy about Revan as Visas is for the Exile.

3. Visas - Juhani is a guardian and therefore more saber oriented were es Visas is a sentinel, in the middle.

4. Juhani hands down. Physically Visas is not very strong were as Juhani being a Cathar is far stronger than a Miraluka girl. Cathar are known as great physical warriors.

5. Could go either way...I guess Juhani because she is more agressive... but then again if Visas got a force power in...hmmm. Well if you give them their actual game stats both at level 6 (their starting level before you ever level them up) Juhani would win. But theorhetically...I can't say.

Rev7
06-25-2008, 06:49 PM
1. I have to go with Juhani with this one.

2. Visas

3. Visas

4. Juhani

5. I will have to go with Visas.

TKA-001
06-25-2008, 07:17 PM
Yeah, TKA, I know. But I just wanted some opinions outside of game stats.
I understand that. My point was that game stats is the only way to gaugε their capabilities.

The Source
06-25-2008, 09:40 PM
Scenario 1: Basic Sparring. No force powers.

Juhani.


Scenario 2: "You're in my way". (My brother thought of this) What if the (M)Exile and (F)Revan were in trouble, and to rescue them, Visas and Juhani had to fight to save one or the other. Heh, high stakes.

No Contest.


Scenario 3: Force Battle. Just force techniques. Light and dark.

Visas.


Scenario 4: Hand-to-Hand combat. No weapons or force-powers. (Not Echani style, sorry guys :xp:)

Juhani.


Scenario 5: All-out-battle. Just use whatever you can to defeat the enemy.

Juhani.

luckyariot
06-26-2008, 04:50 PM
By the way you guys, in the directions I forgot to state to tell your reasons why.

Gothic90
07-26-2008, 08:47 AM
1. Juhani. If all force powers are disabled, that means Visas cannot use Force Sight, which means she is REAL BLIND.

2. Visas. She can do anything for the exile; while Juhani only "cares for" Revan.

3. Visas.

4. Juhani. Aside from the reasons said in 1, JUHANI HAS CLAWS THAT CAN TEAR THROUGH ANYTHING.

5. Visas.

TheExile
07-26-2008, 12:27 PM
1. Juhani- more aggressive, superior strength.
2. Visas! Obvious reasons
3. Visas
4. Juhani- superior strength
5. Visas

Overall: Visas beats. She is mild in strength , but performs well in all other matters. Juhani scores high in strength, but mild in rest.

Darth_Yuthura
07-26-2008, 02:24 PM
1. Juhani- Physically superior and trained to fight.
2. Visas- willing to die for the Exile without question.
3. Visas- trained in the force very well.
4. Juhani- Physically superior.
5. Visas- Simply not bound by anything other than what must be done.

I think that Juhani is the greater fighter, but Visas has talents and drive that makes her unpredictable and more difficult to defeat.

Astor
07-26-2008, 05:04 PM
1. Juhani. If all force powers are disabled, that means Visas cannot use Force Sight, which means she is REAL BLIND.

But you can't just disable the force in that way, especially as she doesn't use 'force sight'.

1. Juhani- Physically superior and trained to fight.

So is Visas. How is Juhani superior, exactly? I would have thought that being raised as a Sith would have made Visas the stronger - the way of the Sith is pain, after all, and using that pain for a better purpose.

Darth_Yuthura
07-26-2008, 05:17 PM
So is Visas. How is Juhani superior, exactly? I would have thought that being raised as a Sith would have made Visas the stronger - the way of the Sith is pain, after all, and using that pain for a better purpose.

Juhani was trained as a guardian. Visas may have been trained to use the DS, but Juhani also had a painful history. The main reason is because Juhani was trained specificly to fight and was physically stronger.

TKA-001
07-26-2008, 05:19 PM
but Juhani also had a painful history.
How does that affect combat effectiveness?

Darth_Yuthura
07-26-2008, 05:32 PM
How does that affect combat effectiveness?

Anger... Drive... Determination... I believe one who has suffered through the worst life had to offer would come out stronger than one who hasn't. Of course, it's not like Visas's life was exactly comfortable either.

Astor
07-26-2008, 05:34 PM
Juhani was trained as a guardian. Visas may have been trained to use the DS, but Juhani also had a painful history. The main reason is because Juhani was trained specificly to fight and was physically stronger.

But Visas had a far more painful history - her entire planet was destroyed, all while she felt it through the Force.

And you should appreciate that physical size and strength is irrelevant next to the power of the Force. And physical strength means little to Jedi - look at Yoda, or Vandar - they were 3ft tall, yet they were foremost in their respective era's councils.

Darth_Yuthura
07-26-2008, 06:57 PM
But Visas had a far more painful history - her entire planet was destroyed, all while she felt it through the Force.

And you should appreciate that physical size and strength is irrelevant next to the power of the Force. And physical strength means little to Jedi - look at Yoda, or Vandar - they were 3ft tall, yet they were foremost in their respective era's councils.

Aren't people taking this too seriously? What does it matter what I think? If you think I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. This is quite irrelevant.

If it makes you happy, then I'll say Visas.

ChAiNz.2da
07-27-2008, 05:59 AM
But Visas had a far more painful history - her entire planet was destroyed, all while she felt it through the Force.

Juhani's planet didn't fare much better if you remember ;)
Juhani and her parents were forced to abandon it to survive.. and while not feeling it through the force, I think the aftermath of her and her race's treatment, enslavement, her father's death.. her mother's tribulations and all around hate surrounding her had to be pretty painful, especially since she grew up with it throughout her childhood. Life wasn't all ponies and rainbows for her either. :(

Think about it. Knowing your planet exists, but you can never return*. Alot of despise and hate builds up. Something you know and love, but it's just out of your grasp. Only to be overtaken by "ruffians". Then go from that to the less than ideal life she has afterwards. Imagine the torture.

Visas life wasn't much better, but nor was Juhani's. I think the 'painful history' point is rendered mute by each others own version of pain. IMO of course :)

1) Juhani - she's a Guardian, it's what they do best
2) Visas - the only reason I gave it to her is because I see the Exile getting in trouble before I see Revan in such a situation :lol:
3) Visas - no contest. Juhani is strong in heart, but weak in mind.
4) Juhani - again, no contest. Visas would be ripped to shreds.
5) Toss up - as with any Jedi battle. IF Juhani strikes faster, preferably using 'Jump' out of range of Visas force techniques. Visas is toast. If Visas gets a Force Power in, Juhani might as well kiss it good-bye.

* In all fairness, I should note that planet Cathar does get re-settled/re-claimed by the Cathar, but not in Juhani's lifetime.
As far as she knows, it's a point of no return.

Burnseyy
07-27-2008, 10:02 PM
I agree with DY, that Juhani's much better at melee fighting than Visas. I mean, you broke her lightsaber in half and she fainted!

Visas, on the other hand, is very determined and dedicated to exile...
force powers? well, they're all good at that. ^^

HIGH ON PIE 14
07-28-2008, 01:49 PM
My impression was that Visas was greatly weakened by Nihilus an was a shadow of her former power, her sight damaged. So no, being raised by the sith didnīt really make her stronger. If I remeber right (I could be wrong here) but didnīt Nihilus puposly keep her weak so she could not challange him?

And yes I appreciate that size and physical strength are not the deciding factor. In the game I honestly found Juhani harder top beat than Visas. As a party member I also find Juhani stronger. I would think Visas has had the harder life, but it made her weaker ratyher than stronger. IMO :)

-HOP

Burnseyy
07-28-2008, 02:14 PM
My impression was that Visas was greatly weakened by Nihilus an was a shadow of her former power, her sight damaged. So no, being raised by the sith didnīt really make her stronger. If I remeber right (I could be wrong here) but didnīt Nihilus puposly keep her weak so she could not challange him?

And yes I appreciate that size and physical strength are not the deciding factor. In the game I honestly found Juhani harder top beat than Visas. As a party member I also find Juhani stronger. I would think Visas has had the harder life, but it made her weaker ratyher than stronger. IMO :)

-HOP

Words of truth! :xp:

MacTavish
07-28-2008, 08:31 PM
1. Juhani
2. Visas, she is more loyal IMO
3. Definently Visas
4. Juhani
5. Not sure...

Salzella
08-02-2008, 08:50 AM
Visas would win in every category because I like Visas and am therefore biased :)

Gurges-Ahter
08-04-2008, 05:03 PM
I agree with Salzella ;)

Ignoring my bias, I'd give Juhani the advantage in any category involving combat, with lightsaber or with no weapons.

I'd give Visas the advantage in any category involving the use of force powers, including the all out battle.

bally3000
08-06-2008, 05:31 AM
I agree with Salzella ;)

Ignoring my bias, I'd give Juhani the advantage in any category involving combat, with lightsaber or with no weapons.

I'd give Visas the advantage in any category involving the use of force powers, including the all out battle.

Me to but visas is oone of my favourite caracters in K2 and i never really enjoyed playing juhani as much as some of the others. but i really need to buy K1 and complete iit as i have borrowed it from a friend and nearly completed it on my xbox but i have an xbox 360 now and need to start it again =/ lol:lol:

Gurges-Ahter
08-06-2008, 09:51 AM
Visas was my favorite party member to take along with me in K2. Once she was leveled up, she had all the force powers of Kreia.

I didn't dislike Juhani, but I only started using her when Bastila left my party and was no longer an option. I always had Jolee with me.

So yes, I definitely prefer Visas as a character, but back on topic, I'd give Juhani the edge in hand-to-hand (or saber-to-saber) combat. I'd give Visas the edge in the use of the force.

bally3000
08-06-2008, 08:28 PM
I never liked kreia i don't know why but i just never used her apart from when i had no choice, i always seemed to prefer mira, Atton, handmaiden, Visas. but the force is sooooo... fun lol i love using stasis field and freezeing everybody but the person u use it on cause its funny =]

Burnseyy
08-06-2008, 08:34 PM
I never liked kreia i don't know why but i just never used her apart from when i had no choice, i always seemed to prefer mira, Atton, handmaiden, Visas. but the force is sooooo... fun lol i love using stasis field and freezeing everybody but the person u use it on cause its funny =]

Eughh Visas annoyed me.
At least she was better than Kreia.

Handmaiden was quite good, (playing as a male exile) :^: a big improvement from the Disciple.

Darth_Yuthura
08-06-2008, 10:03 PM
Eughh Visas annoyed me.
At least she was better than Kreia.

Handmaiden was quite good, (playing as a male exile) :^: a big improvement from the Disciple.

I liked Visas because she was a unique character and an interesting LS character. Although Brianna is more common among SW characters, the Exile had to earn her trust before she could become a jedi or fall in love. Visas simply surrendered herself w/out question... I'd love to actually see that!

Burnseyy
08-06-2008, 10:07 PM
I liked Visas because she was a unique character and an interesting LS character. Although Brianna is more common among SW characters, the Exile had to earn her trust before she could become a jedi or fall in love. Visas simply surrendered herself w/out question... I'd love to actually see that!

:lol:

I think any girl would go for the first guy she saw, after living with Nihilus.

But ahhh well, Brianna beat her to him. :xp:

Darth_Yuthura
08-06-2008, 10:13 PM
:lol:

I think any girl would go for the first guy she saw, after living with Nihilus.

But ahhh well, Brianna beat her to him. :xp:

Talking to either one is like talking to a wall. They show some emotion and give words of wisdom, but don't give their lifestory. That's why I go for Juhani more than most K2 hawk crew. That actually enriched the Exile's past more than anyone else's.

Burnseyy
08-06-2008, 10:17 PM
Talking to either one is like talking to a wall. They show some emotion and give words of wisdom, but don't give their lifestory. That's why I go for Juhani more than most K2 hawk crew. That actually enriched the Exile's past more than anyone else's.

If you thought Brianna and Handmaiden were bad, take a look at Atton and Disciple...
But it is true that hardly any K2 characters say much - damn the creators for cutting most of it.

Gurges-Ahter
08-06-2008, 10:48 PM
I really liked Brianna until Visas joined my crew. Then I dropped her like a bad habit.

bally3000
08-07-2008, 06:21 AM
haha i just used both of them but i got Visas after my first planet so i was happy.

Does anyobdy else ever find it hard to pick a crew cause i like nearly everybody in the crew and find it hard to choose who too take, with me. i started to take the people who suited the place with me, like Atton for Narr Shadaar and Visas for korriban lol=].

Gurges-Ahter
08-07-2008, 09:55 AM
I find it hard (to pick a crew) at times only because I always want to bring the same people, so I think I miss out on some potential dialogue with the other characters I don't bring with me. I always prefer to bring other Jedi (or force users) with me. This time (my 2nd playthrough) I will turn all of my crew into Jedi, which I didn't do during my first time through. That should make it easier to pick other characters this time.

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-07-2008, 11:22 AM
I do too, at times. With K1, there is some logic in awitching party members, namely their side quests, making it reasonable to have Jolee on Manaan, or Carth on Korriban.

K2 has no real party sidequests, so I usually end up taking the same people around. I always prefered Handmaiden to Visas, and Mira is a favorite so when Iīm a male, its usually those two. In K2, I donīt care for the male party members that much: Atton was...okay at best for me, only his humor was likeable to me...Mandelore, eh liked the Candy better, and donīt even get me started on Disciple. :xp: K1 had better ones- Jolee alone owns all three of them.

I liked Bao Dur though I never really use him. If he only had more dialogue...

Actually, turning the whole crew into jedi just makes it harder to pick really. But its something you should go for every game.

-HOP

Gurges-Ahter
08-07-2008, 11:29 AM
Yeah, if I knew I could have turned them all Jedi during my first playthrough I would have. I will definitely do it this time around. I mostly took Kreia with me, for her force powers, and Mira for the range ability (I was melee guardian). When I got Visas leveled up I used her instead of Kreia. The others I rarely used.

I also always had Jolee with me in K1.

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-07-2008, 11:48 AM
My first playthrough, I only managed to turn Handmaiden. :lol: I donīt knoww how she was the only one, as Mira is way easier, but whatever.

Who have you already jedified Gurges-Ahter?

The party members make varying degrees of jedi, so I was wondering what level of jedi you are used to among them.

-HOP

Gurges-Ahter
08-07-2008, 11:54 AM
My first time through I Jedi'd no one. That's why I always used Visas and/or Kreia in my party. I later realized I had Brianna ready to Jedi, when I screwed it up by getting too close to Visas. I screwed up Mira's from the start. I never talked to or used Atton.

This time through I haven't gotten far enough to Jedi anyone, but I at least know how to do it (with the help of an influence guide).

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-07-2008, 12:18 PM
I screwed up Mira's from the start.

Screwed up Miraīs? Did you lose a ton influence with her or something? All Iīve ever had to do to jedify her was talk to her. :confused: Despite what many guides say, you donīt have to take Mira to Onderon to get enough influence ;) (Just in case yourīs says you have to.)

I find that Handmaiden and Disciple make the best jedi. Atton and Mira make okay jedi. Bao Dur is the hardest to jedify but he canīt wear robes so he is severly limited. :(

-HOP

Gurges-Ahter
08-07-2008, 12:56 PM
Yeah I think I messed up during the initial conversation with Mira. I tried too hard to hit on her, which didn't go over that well with influence.

bally3000
08-08-2008, 09:38 AM
haha i did well and got infulance n stuff =] shes great as a jedi lol but scary as a sith lol

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-08-2008, 10:53 AM
Yeah I think I messed up during the initial conversation with Mira. I tried too hard to hit on her, which didn't go over that well with influence.


Oh, I didnīt know that hitting on her lost influence...geez mine must be like zero with her right about now. :xp: Actually some computer and demolition skill points can help with influencing her. Yeah she is scary (in a good way) as a sith. Blood red hair and all that.

Always found Atton the hardest, as I always manage to piss him off in Atrisīacadamy.


-HOP

Gurges-Ahter
08-08-2008, 12:48 PM
Yeah the problem was I didn't know you could turn anyone into Jedi, so I never bothered much with trying to gain influence. I was just saying what I would really say in that situation.

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-09-2008, 11:57 AM
Well at least you played your first game free of outside influence. I found out Kreia was the baddie before I even bought the game. Not that it wasnīt obvious from the first second you saw her. :roleyess: Good luck with all the jedifying!

-HOP

Gurges-Ahter
08-09-2008, 12:28 PM
Yeah I kind of assumed she was too, but I did have my doubts throughout the game. I had already been on the forums here, but I stayed away from TSL section and only participated in the K1 section. I'm glad I did.

DeadYorick
08-09-2008, 04:47 PM
It is to hard to judge a contest like this because it could go either way. But off the record I am more of a Juhani fan then a Visas fan. Mostly because Visas is to much of a downer then Juhani is

Burnseyy
08-09-2008, 05:04 PM
Well at least you played your first game free of outside influence. I found out Kreia was the baddie before I even bought the game. Not that it wasn´t obvious from the first second you saw her. :roleyess: Good luck with all the jedifying!

-HOP

I never took Kreia out with me - second I got a chance to leave her out of my party, I did.

on my first play through I didn't get them all to be Jedi - I got Atton, Disciple and Mira, but not Bao-Dur. He was soo difficult to jedify. And you'd have thought, out of all of the others, he'd trust your character more!

Yeah I think I messed up during the initial conversation with Mira. I tried too hard to hit on her, which didn't go over that well with influence.

You can lose influence for that? :confused: I didn't. On the male Exile of course...

Salzella
08-09-2008, 06:39 PM
I'm fairly certain you can't lose influence with hwe in that conversation string. I've tried before, it doesn't work :(

But when I want to gain/lose influence, I use RedHawke's mistake correction armband. Much simpler than following walkthroughs and such. pffft. I laugh in the face of walkthroughs.

Darth_Yuthura
08-09-2008, 06:53 PM
Uh... this thread is about Visas vs. Juhani... isn't it?

I do like Visas enough because she was a sentinel and force user, but I don't favor her as much as I did Juhani from K1. A guardian is even sweeter when paired with another guardian in the force jump feat. Because Visas didn't have a high intelligence, her skills aren't worth bragging about... not that Juhani does any better at that either.

Burnseyy
08-09-2008, 06:56 PM
Yeah, I just found nothing good in Visas, at all. If it wasn't for her romance with the male Exile, she'd be a pretty pointless party member.

But I never liked the Jedi Guardians - it's just so typical, and a pain without Security skills.

Salzella
08-09-2008, 07:01 PM
Visas kicks ass at force powers, if you level up her wisdom and a bit of dexterity, and since she's a jedi, you can just level up her awareness, treat injury and stealth and ignore all other skills, just use the PC or someone more skill-orientated for that sort of thing.

Visas is nowhere near as useless as, for example, G0-T0. or Mical. *grumble*

Juhani is OK for a while but i always find guardians limited in that they quickly drain their force pool. As a wise man would have said had he contributed to this thread: 'the power of a cathar fallen jedi with a lightsaber is as nothing to a wrinkly old man and stuck up teenager'. plus, she's got a rotten temper. >___>

Darth_Yuthura
08-09-2008, 08:09 PM
I like guardians for the second game, but in order to make up for their skills, I increase intelligence to 16. The feats they provide are more numerous than the sentinel or councilor, even when using them to adjust for cross/class skills.

I do like the Sentinel's skills greatly for an early game advantage, but they are limited by the 3 constitution bonus that doesn't translate to implant levels! If it did, then I'd be more happy with them.

Skills for jedi in K1 SUCKED! I don't care, but the skill levels were pathetic and I'm glad they corrected them in TSL. If Juhani was a guardian in TSL, then she'd be much greater than in K1.

Gurges-Ahter
08-10-2008, 11:53 AM
I agree that Visas kicks ass... I used her in melee combat, using finesse, and upgraded her wisdom and dexterity constantly. Her force powers rivaled Kreia's once I did, and she was much better in combat.

Darth_Yuthura
08-10-2008, 04:49 PM
One thing of TSL that I hated was the stupid implant levels being determined by constitution. I hated having to push my main character's constitution to 18 instead of using the attribute points for something I liked. Hit points are not as fun as dexterity and wisdom, but I like the universal implant... which pushes everything up 2 points.

Visas was problematic because her constitution, like others was low. If the implant bug were gone, I'd be much happier with her. Since it's not, I don't usually upgrade anything other than constitution for my characters. I should just ignore that.

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-11-2008, 12:54 PM
Visas is nowhere near as useless as, for example, G0-T0. or Mical. *grumble*


Mical may be a right pain in the ass but he makes a good jedi IMHO. G0T0 is a worthless piece of junk, yes...wish you could sell him for credits...maybe in a mod. :)

Hated that too DY. One of the cool things about K1 was that you could rely on implants for a good constitution, rather that waste attribute points. Incidentally, has anybody else noticed how Visasī constitution is lower than it should be? Donīt sentinals get 8 vitality points (with con of 10) every level up. I fortget the exact numbers, but its still way too low, and she starts with a con of 12. The same thing with her fortce powers. Anybody know why?

I like Visasī voice acting. She is okay in my book. Not great, but okay.

-HOP

Burnseyy
08-11-2008, 01:15 PM
Mical was a good Jedi - but only because he was SO easy to make become one - so he was sorted from the start.

It wasn't just Visas' stats that were messed up - quite a few of the characters had odd attribute points, but I just tried to level up as much as possible, to fix it.

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-12-2008, 12:28 PM
Well all bias aside, he is one of the stronger jedi if you use him right. Still hate his guts though :D...

Yeah, that is true of many if not all of the TSL characters, though not in K1. Does anybody know why this is?

-HOP

Darth_Yuthura
08-12-2008, 12:43 PM
I find virtually any jedi to be fine. In KOTOR 1, I often invest entirely on leveling up Juhani's Wisdom to achieve maximum force points. Her strength is good, but I consider FP to be better. And if her wisdom is higher, then she's a more potent jedi.

Wisdom benefits guardians much more in terms of the ratio added to each level. If a Councilor gets 8 points (base) and 6 through wisdom and charisma, they get a decent quantity more than the base. If a guardian gets 4 base, then 6 through through attributes adds 150% on to the base. Wisdom and guardians go hand in hand more than strength while councilors and constitution go hand in hand. Sentinels go either way, but wisdom is always better than constitution.

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-12-2008, 12:53 PM
Right, in K1, this works fine, but TSL, there is something very buggy about force and vitality points among thte party members. Can you explain why Visasī starting vitality and force point are lower than they should be?

She starts as a level six sentinel with 30 hp and 24 fp. Yet her wisdom is twelve and constitution is twelve. Shouldnīt her hp be more like 50 or 60 and her fp in the 40s?

-HOP

Pwnzor326
08-20-2008, 12:23 PM
Visas because Juhani is annoying and someone else would probably kill her first.....

bally3000
08-20-2008, 03:17 PM
lol just thought i would ask did any one kill Visas to kill tht guy at the end?
i forgot his name sorry its her master =/

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-20-2008, 03:21 PM
You mean Nihilus? I have done it before, but I tend to keep her alive, as I rather like Visas. That and for a lightside playthrough, it just doesn't work, storyline wise.

~HOP

TKA-001
08-20-2008, 08:49 PM
I usually have Visas sacrifice herself every other playthrough. It makes for a nice part of the story.

Darth_Yuthura
08-20-2008, 08:56 PM
I usually have Visas sacrifice herself every other playthrough. It makes for a nice part of the story.

How often do you dispose of Juhani? Oh right... you don't because you can exploit her, right? It doesn't matter if Visas won't be there anyway, so you execute her!

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-20-2008, 09:05 PM
I never get rid of Juhani. I know of some people who kill her just to get the free lightsaber. :confused: I was like if you want another one that bad, just cheat. Juhani can be a useful party member. I suppose sacrificing Visas does make for a more dramatic story, but Juhani...there is really no point.

~HOP

Burnseyy
08-20-2008, 09:26 PM
I havent tried killing Visas yet. Hmmm... >.>

I've killed Juhani at the end, but only because i was Dark Side.
What was the difficult part, was killing Mission and Zalbaar! If I'm ever Dark Side again, I'll let them escape. :^: if thats possible.

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-20-2008, 09:33 PM
Oh, I meant killing her on Dantooine. :xp: No when I'm DS I have no problems killing her on the temple summit. Same here, I hate killing Mission. Maybe somebody will make a mod that allows Mission to become your dark side kick. :xp: Mission gone DS - watch out!

~HOP

Astor
08-21-2008, 05:14 AM
How often do you dispose of Juhani? Oh right... you don't because you can exploit her, right? It doesn't matter if Visas won't be there anyway, so you execute her!

I kill Juhani most times - I play with Inyri's Kay mod, which overrides Juhani. If I didn't kill her, she'd just disappear, and I don't like loose ends.

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-21-2008, 01:00 PM
Oh, well that makes sense. I never did like the whole when you recruit somebody through a mod, the old NPC just dissappears. Killing her does make it more realistic and ties up loose ends as you said. I like Juhani so I'll probably never use that mod, but I it looks great.

~HOP

thundrfang1
09-24-2008, 05:37 PM
1.Juhani-I'm pretty sure that Juhani's more superior in strength
2.Visas-Visas because she loves the male exile more than Juhani loves the female revan
3.Visas-from what i've seen, juhani relies on lightsaber/melee combat to win a decent fight
4.juhani-no reason. just feel like she would win
5.visas-unless juhani sneak attacked her, i think she would win

Yar-El
09-24-2008, 06:30 PM
Scenario 1: Juhani is geared towards weapons style battling.

Scenario 2: Non contest. Juhani and Visas would kill themselves for one or the other.

Scenario 3: Visas's handicap-turned advantage gives her more control over the fource.

Scenario 4: Juhani is geared towards hand to hand battle.

Scenario 5: I don't know. They both can put up a good fight.

LadyVader1986
09-24-2008, 07:08 PM
I think Visas would kick Juhani's tail. Juhani seems a little too pansy for me. And I could 90% of the time let Visas fight by herself without her getting killed. Juhani on the other hand...

Endorenna
09-24-2008, 11:38 PM
I agree. Every time I go onto the Star Forge as Light Side and we run into some Dark Jedi or droids...she hisses, spits, and falls down dead. If Visas was there, on the other hand, those Dark Jedi would be running for cover. :D

1. Visas is excellent with her lightsabers, the way I level her up.
2. Visas would kick Juhani's feline tail, even if the Exile was female! She's just a whole lot more loyal than Juhani in all situations. I mean, come on, Quatra was nice to Juhani for years before provoking her to the Dark Side, and she almost killed him! That's loyalty for ya... with Visas, she had obvious reasons to kill Nihilus.
3. Visas was trained in the Dark Side for years. Juhani was trained in the Light Side for years. We all have to admit, Force Storm and Force Wave are a lot more powerful than Force Aura and even Force Healing. Besides that, Juhani would run out of Force power about the second time she used Force Heal.
4. As much as I hate to say it, Juhani would win. She has claws, and Cathar are far tougher than Miraluka.
5. Visas would murder Juhani. First, she'd knock her back with Force Wave, then she'd slice her while she was stunned, then she'd repeat the process until Juhani was dead.

Corinthian
09-24-2008, 11:48 PM
Visas is blind. Juhani could use this to her advantage. All she needs is a Ysalamiri, and Visas is completely helpless.

Endorenna
09-24-2008, 11:51 PM
True. But that's not part of the specified conditions. ;) No ysalamiri's allowed.

mattig89ch
09-25-2008, 10:08 AM
Scenario 1: Juhani

Scenario 2: Visas and Juhani, they would work together to save them both, then go to 5. LS or DS, it doesn't matter. They'd see the situation and say "We'll settle this later" and work together.

Scenario 3: Visas

Scenario 4: Juhani

Scenario 5: It'd be a tie. Juhani would kick arse with her light saber, but Visas would pwn with force powers.

Lord of Hunger
02-19-2009, 07:51 PM
Okay, I've seen a bunch of these vs. threads, and that got me (and my brother) wondering who would win in a fight of Juhani vs. Visas. Because we can't decide, I chose to post this and watch the fists fly. :D
This should be fun.
Scenario 1: Basic Sparring. No force powers.
Juhani...she's the Jedi Guardian here, not to mention an agile Cathar.
Scenario 2: "You're in my way". (My brother thought of this) What if the (M)Exile and (F)Revan were in trouble, and to rescue them, Visas and Juhani had to fight to save one or the other. Heh, high stakes.
Visas. When she says "my life for yours", she means it.
Scenario 3: Force Battle. Just force techniques. Light and dark.
Visas. She learned from Nihilus, the most powerful Force entity in the history of Star Wars. Plus, Juhani was rather pathetic in the Dark Side while Visas belonged the Triumvirate, a very deadly group.
Scenario 4: Hand-to-Hand combat. No weapons or force-powers. (Not Echani style, sorry guys :xp:)
Juhani. She's a Cathar, thus more combat oriented.
Scenario 5: All-out-battle. Just use whatever you can to defeat the enemy.
Visas, because of Senario 2. She has unmatched determination, and Force Powers to go with it.

Darth Avlectus
02-20-2009, 03:10 AM
Screwed up Miraīs? Did you lose a ton influence with her or something? All Iīve ever had to do to jedify her was talk to her. :confused: Despite what many guides say, you donīt have to take Mira to Onderon to get enough influence ;) (Just in case yourīs says you have to.)

I find that Handmaiden and Disciple make the best jedi. Atton and Mira make okay jedi. Bao Dur is the hardest to jedify but he canīt wear robes so he is severly limited. :(

-HOP

She was hard. Then again, I hear it is possible to influence all potential force sensitives in your party to jedi status without hacking influence. You have to be clever and know all points of possible influence. At least for the female exile. The male...probably not without losing influence to Visas.

BTW I couldn't disagree with you more about Bao-Dur being hard to jedify. Especially if early on you recognize points of influence and keep him by your side as much as you possibly can until you succeed. 2-fers...look for them--it is vital.

Well at least you played your first game free of outside influence. I found out Kreia was the baddie before I even bought the game. Not that it wasnīt obvious from the first second you saw her. :roleyess: Good luck with all the jedifying!

-HOP

Well, if I hadn't learned it so long before buying and playing the game, I would have suspected it. At the end of peragus if not sooner. I have been backstabbed before so many times that I have a knack for when things just don't seem right.

It is to hard to judge a contest like this because it could go either way. But off the record I am more of a Juhani fan then a Visas fan. Mostly because Visas is to much of a downer then Juhani is

Visas is just a tortured, shy soul. At least she has a bigger rack than the other chicks. :naughty:

As far as Juhani, I'd like her more if she were hotter... and cuter looking.
Some early releases of the game allowed a male revan to romance her.
As is, I would need to be a lesbian woman in order to like her more--the above condition would still stand.

Otherwise she is merely a tortured soul and a damn good brute.

Yeah, I just found nothing good in Visas, at all. If it wasn't for her romance with the male Exile, she'd be a pretty pointless party member.

But I never liked the Jedi Guardians - it's just so typical, and a pain without Security skills. In K1, security was pretty pointless. There was little point to it and no real negative consequences for bashing it. Not a big deal if you could just stick it with a lightsaber.

Visas...I'd say is roughly on par with handmaiden. In earlier releases, depending on alignment. either handmaiden or visas would join you regardless of gender.

I like guardians for the second game, but in order to make up for their skills, I increase intelligence to 16. The feats they provide are more numerous than the sentinel or councilor, even when using them to adjust for cross/class skills.

I do like the Sentinel's skills greatly for an early game advantage, but they are limited by the 3 constitution bonus that doesn't translate to implant levels! If it did, then I'd be more happy with them.

Skills for jedi in K1 SUCKED! I don't care, but the skill levels were pathetic and I'm glad they corrected them in TSL. If Juhani was a guardian in TSL, then she'd be much greater than in K1. I did scout>guardian in K1 so I could modify repair to 17 pts with items and ramp up HK-47, while still kicking ass as a guardian.


Yeah, that is true of many if not all of the TSL characters, though not in K1. Does anybody know why this is?
-HOP

Probably because they botched the soldier classes and raised all the rest of them. Atton was admittedly a special scoundrel, and those + consulars needed a buffing up badly. Still, soldiers were supposed to be the badasses on a physical/combat level that was not jedi. :confused:

True. But that's not part of the specified conditions. ;) No ysalamiri's allowed. Says you.:xp:

Hard to say, really. If you worked Juhani correctly, she would not have the quick drain on her force powers. Visas...well, a sentinel is basically almost as physically tough as a guardian, and yet has almost as much force capacity as a consular (if a bit unrefined).
so overall, a sentinel was more powerful than either of the other two--though I am a blademaster through and through.:xp:

I would have to say Visas simply because for all her anguish, she is more in control of her mind and emotions. She might pale physically to juhani, and might not be that much stronger with force powers than the cathar either.
However, with a clouded mind--no matter how superior you may be with your powers or physique--you will more often lose to those of coherent mind who can keep it together. Visas may have been a wreck under the surface, but she had more control over herself than Juhani.

Juhani was tough, no doubt. Impressive lightsaber skill. To her credit. Even had a good work ethic and strive to her. However, you derail yourself and you cannot hope to win, often.

I am a guardian type mind you. FYI: The Juyo form is only weak if you are stupid with it and/or you don't use force resistance< power to guard against force powers. In fact, I killed Kreia like that with it, faster, than any other way.

mu695
02-25-2009, 02:34 PM
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Fredi
02-27-2009, 08:36 PM
I really don't know which would win, but I think Juhani could have won over Visas.