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Relenzo2
06-29-2008, 08:58 PM
Title pretty much explains it. I mean, I recently bought Okami (good game, buy it if you have the console) for the Wii, and I'm just blown away. Every tiem I try to buy a PC game, which is how I started out my gaming *career?*, I have to worrry about computer speed, video card, compatibility, debugging bugs because computers aren't identical, blah, blah, blah, installation takes an hour, blah, registration, blah... you get it. To play a Wii game, I decide which game I want to buy, go to the store, ask the electronics guy to take it out of the case and pay for it, go home, take it out of the case, put it in the disc slot, and play it. It's that bloody simple. This raises my question: Is it worth all that hassle to game on a PC? There was something similar to this on CivFanatics. I mean, sure some types of games like RTS, Turn-based, MMORPG's, are mostly only for the computer right now, but if there were no PC's, they could find a way easy to make it for consoles and you TV. Even without those game types, is it worth it? I mean, just think of all the extra money you pay for computer upgrades!
Am eager for your thoughts on this.

Arcesious
06-29-2008, 09:19 PM
Getting a computer that can play the big games is expensive. There are some advantages with computers though:

1: They are very adaptive/adaptable.
2: They allow for modding of games, and oftentimes many more cheats.
3: They allow for downloading of patches whereas with most consoles, you can't download fixes for bugs.
4: You learn a lot more about how games work on a computer than on a console system.
5: More open online play than Xbox live.

Me, I have a crappy computer, but it can run most of the games I have at least at medium graphics.

mur'phon
06-29-2008, 09:20 PM
What the heck is this doing in kavars? Anyway, yes, it's worth it, a lot of excelent games are PC only including ubergames like Vampire, Arcanum, Rome, DK2, Total Annihilation etc the list could fill a dvd. Something you don't like with a game? with a console: suck it up. With a PC: mods, console commands etc. I get a comp from the school, so the money issue dosen't really bother me. And have you tried console ports of RTS'?

Da_Man_2423
06-29-2008, 09:47 PM
At least with console gaming you know the game will work when you pop it in...don't have to mess around with figuring out why games dont start, load, install, etc.

I'm still much in favor, however, of PC gaming over console gaming, mostly for reasons mur'phon and Arcesious mentioned.

Det. Bart Lasiter
06-29-2008, 09:49 PM
What the heck is this doing in kavars?BECAUSE CONSOLES ARE BETTER AND THIS NEEDS TO BE PROVEN VIA INTERNET FORUM TRIBUNAL WHICH IS SERIOUS GODDAMN BUSINESS SO STOP TRIVIALIZING INTERNET LAW FFFFFFFFFFGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

FoolInTheWave
06-29-2008, 10:02 PM
BECAUSE CONSOLES ARE BETTER AND THIS NEEDS TO BE PROVEN VIA INTERNET FORUM TRIBUNAL WHICH IS SERIOUS GODDAMN BUSINESS SO STOP TRIVIALIZING INTERNET LAW FFFFFFFFFFGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

:coffee: I'd take his word for it.

Q
06-29-2008, 10:17 PM
Yeah, it's worth it. Why?

1) Because when you compare how much consoles cost nowadays to how much the components necessary for a decent gaming PC cost over the price of a normal PC that you would probably own anyway, they're pretty much even. And, no, I'm not referring to those pre-built, grossly overpriced "gaming PCs" from the OEMs.

2) PCs are upgradeable. Consoles aren't. Once you buy a console, you're stuck with it's soon-to-be-outdated or already-outdated hardware until the introduction of the next-generation console.

3) While this is totally subjective, I think that PC games are generally superior to console games for the reasons that people have already stated above.

Jae Onasi
06-29-2008, 10:24 PM
BECAUSE CONSOLES ARE BETTER AND THIS NEEDS TO BE PROVEN VIA INTERNET FORUM TRIBUNAL WHICH IS SERIOUS GODDAMN BUSINESS SO STOP TRIVIALIZING INTERNET LAW FFFFFFFFFFGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
*Jae spews Diet Pepsi all over her screen*

That's right, we should discuss something of this magnitude in Kavar''s from time to time. It's good for our collective souls. :D

Arcesious
06-30-2008, 01:02 AM
That's right, we should discuss something of this magnitude in Kavar''s from time to time. It's good for our collective souls.

Indeed...

Inyri
06-30-2008, 01:04 AM
At least with console gaming you know the game will work when you pop it in...don't have to mess around with figuring out why games dont start, load, install, etc.Obviously you've never tried playing the PS2 version of Rock Band. :p

Rev7
06-30-2008, 01:08 AM
Obviously you've never tried playing the PS2 version of Rock Band. :p
:lol:

Yeah, consoles are really expensive. :/

HK-42
06-30-2008, 01:25 AM
Once I got my bugs all sorted out for my first Kotor 1 play the affect was life altering. I think computers makes it seem your involved in the game more.

EnderWiggin
06-30-2008, 01:42 AM
Title pretty much explains it. I mean, I recently bought Okami (good game, buy it if you have the console) for the Wii, and I'm just blown away. Every tiem I try to buy a PC game, which is how I started out my gaming *career?*, I have to worrry about computer speed, video card, compatibility, debugging bugs because computers aren't identical, blah, blah, blah, installation takes an hour, blah, registration, blah... you get it. To play a Wii game, I decide which game I want to buy, go to the store, ask the electronics guy to take it out of the case and pay for it, go home, take it out of the case, put it in the disc slot, and play it. It's that bloody simple. This raises my question: Is it worth all that hassle to game on a PC? There was something similar to this on CivFanatics. I mean, sure some types of games like RTS, Turn-based, MMORPG's, are mostly only for the computer right now, but if there were no PC's, they could find a way easy to make it for consoles and you TV. Even without those game types, is it worth it? I mean, just think of all the extra money you pay for computer upgrades!
Am eager for your thoughts on this.

...modding. Yes.

THIS NEEDS TO BE PROVEN VIA INTERNET FORUM TRIBUNAL WHICH IS SERIOUS GODDAMN BUSINESS SO STOP TRIVIALIZING INTERNET LAW FFFFFFFFFFGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Absolutely, Jaymack. Couldn't say it better if I tried.

_EW_

Det. Bart Lasiter
06-30-2008, 02:08 AM
Absolutely, Jaymack. Couldn't say it better if I tried.yeah i hear that a lot.

Totenkopf
06-30-2008, 07:39 AM
In a word......................yeah.

jonathan7
06-30-2008, 07:46 AM
PC gaming isn't just worth it, but PC Games are so much better than consoles, a lot of this is due to mods, but for example Oblivion, looks a hell of a lot better on my laptop than it does on a console - as I can add mods, and do all sorts of tweaks you can't do on a console.

From experience; serious gamers prefer PC to console (though often have a console as well) as I think the PC platform is more fluid than console. There are of course benefits and disadvantages to both. I think consoles are more popular, while in general PC's give a better quality.

My 2 cents...

Darth InSidious
06-30-2008, 08:28 AM
Simply, yes. It's cheaper to upgrade your PC than buy an increasingly expensive new console every few years.

ForeverNight
06-30-2008, 02:06 PM
Well, it appears that a lot of people beat me to it, but, I have another answer to this.

Look at the complexity of games that get released on Consoles. They tend to to be as... puzzling? If they're FPS's, they tend to be of the 'run around and shoot everybody body until they're dead' type games. The PC's also are cursed with those type of games, but you also have games that tend to be more puzzling. Half-Life 1 anybody? That game has it all, great story, great game mechanics, puzzles, challenges, you have to think about stuff, you have to run away from some things. It's got it all!

Then, look at the consoles folks, what do they tend to hold up as the "Ultimate Game"? Halo 3, at least that's what everybody says to me. Halo 1 was interesting... on the PC. I played Halo2 on the PC and all I was doing was running around killing things. Oh, have to press this button... Oh! More things to kill!

What are the graphics like on Consoles? Outdated compared to the highest end PC built. You can get better graphics on PC's than you can consoles, that is fact.

Compare the PS3's best graphics game. (Gran Turismo 5... I think) Then compare it to the highest graphics available on a PC.

No contest.

Graphics and complexity of games are the reasons (Aside from those already mentioned) that PC's pwn consoles.

That and you can move around better!

Relenzo2
06-30-2008, 03:15 PM
BECAUSE CONSOLES ARE BETTER AND THIS NEEDS TO BE PROVEN VIA INTERNET FORUM TRIBUNAL WHICH IS SERIOUS GODDAMN BUSINESS SO STOP TRIVIALIZING INTERNET LAW FFFFFFFFFFGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


Guess I have to thank you very much for that one. But I'm not dissing PC's by any stretch of the imagination.



What are the graphics like on Consoles? Outdated compared to the highest end PC built. You can get better graphics on PC's than you can consoles, that is fact.



To get that kind of graphical power to run the latest games cost ridiculous sums. And you absolutely cannot discount that you have to know quite a bit in able to pull it off, once you think about it.

ForeverNight
06-30-2008, 03:34 PM
WARNING: Console users may be offended by the following passage, read at thy own risk.

And you absolutely cannot discount that you have to know quite a bit in able to pull it off, once you think about it.

I'll agree with you that that kind of Graphical Power takes money. But, this is something I should've mentioned in my reasons that Computers are better.

With a console, you don't have to know anything about how it works in order to do anything on it. You just get a blank expression on your face and you fumble around with the disk -probably smudging it- and then you put it in the console's disk entry point. (What the heck is that called?). Then, mystically, the main menu of the game comes up.

A computer, you actually have to know what those quasi-mystical sounding stuff means.

It's just a different breed of cat.

jonathan7
06-30-2008, 03:58 PM
It's just a different breed of cat.

Indeed why have one of these;

http://www.catfacts.org/cat-facts.jpg

When you could have one of these;

http://www.freewebs.com/icey822/Cheetah.jpg

Sure the first is far easier to look after and maintain, but the bottom is speed, grace and power. Why settle for copper when you could have gold?

ForeverNight
06-30-2008, 04:07 PM
:lol: I can't decide if you're agreeing with me or not (I think you are) but that made me crack up!

jonathan7
06-30-2008, 04:11 PM
:lol: I can't decide if you're agreeing with me or not (I think you are) but that made me crack up!

I was agreeing you, while trying to be funny.

Why have a cat, when you could have a cheetah?

Inyri
06-30-2008, 04:12 PM
Because the cheetah would eat your face? o.O

ForeverNight
06-30-2008, 04:15 PM
Why be a cat, when you could be a cheetah?

How's that?

mur'phon
06-30-2008, 04:18 PM
Ever played with one? Sure it's fun, but when you feel the teeth against your skin, you realize just how poor human body armor is.

Jae Onasi
06-30-2008, 04:19 PM
Hey, I love my cat. If I'm trying to catch a wildebeast, however, I want my cheetah.

OK, jonathan7, that was a good funny. Ranks almost as high as Mace MacLeod's 'deli bar' euphemism.

jonathan7
06-30-2008, 04:20 PM
Because the cheetah would eat your face? o.O

Actually cheetah's are meant to make excellent pet's - walkies would be interesting though ;)

Det. Bart Lasiter
06-30-2008, 04:21 PM
Because the cheetah would eat your face? o.OPS3s crave raw flesh as well.

Bob Lion54
06-30-2008, 04:30 PM
Why have a cat, when you could have a cheetah?
pfft... If you want to settle with a cheetah, that's all you.

Me, I'm with the King. Hail to the King, baby. Hail to the King. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/54596905@N00/671067944/sizes/l/)

mur'phon
06-30-2008, 04:39 PM
Meh, I like the white kings better.

Astor
06-30-2008, 04:46 PM
Mostly, I think, it is down to the costs involved.

I can only afford to upgrade my computer once every 3 or 4 years. This means that, inevitibly, I will miss out on quite a few games. Plus, they don't have as big a life cycle as a console does.

So I mix both. I have console to play games between upgrades, and then, when it comes to upgrading, I can buy the games that I couldn't get for the console.

As many have said, it's all down to the mods. As an example, let's look at Rome Total War. A fine sandbox strategy game.

With mods, I can make it more historically accurate (RTR or RS).

With mods, I can turn it into middle earth and kill some orcs (FA:TW or LOTR:TW).

With mods, I can turn it into 19th century Europe and fight Napoleon (NTW2).

This therefore gives my games a longer life. Bored of fighting Gauls? Let's fight some Austrians, or some Elves!

So mostly, PC gaming IS worth it, when you can afford to do it.

jawathehutt
06-30-2008, 06:12 PM
When I bought my computer back in 2001, its been off due to technical problems maybe a total of a week and all of those were my fault. Most of my friends have sent in their xboxs at least once, some up to 10 times, for days at a time. True it may take a few hours/days to set up a new PC, but at least I dont have to send it in every half year since some part melted or something that wasnt caused be me.

ET Warrior
06-30-2008, 06:58 PM
Considering the fact that purchasing a desktop computer is a fairly pointless expenditure for many people now that a laptop can perform all of the required functionality, and be transported to/from work and class, were one to get ahold of a laptop that can run high-end games you will be looking at a purchase of at LEAST one thousand dollars.

A brand new Xbox 360 Pro costs less than three hundred dollars, will run all 360 games, and probably has at least two more years before it is replaced by a new console. With a lifetime of ~5 years for a console, that means you spend $600 every decade on new gaming hardware. The costs aren't even comparable. Even if you go with a desktop system, best of luck keeping your cost below $600 for ten years.

Gaming consoles also are vastly more appealing to people who actually like spending time with their friends AND playing video games. Chilling out on the couch, drinking beer and playing halo with a group of friends is an experience that PC gaming simply cannot deliver on. Also, paying less for a console means having more to spend on a big TV and surround sound.

Not to say PC gaming has no advantages, just fewer than it used to.

Relenzo2
06-30-2008, 07:23 PM
Nice one, jonathon7!


So mostly, PC gaming IS worth it, when you can afford to do it.


Well, that explains poor me. Emphasis on poor, right.

Gaming consoles also are vastly more appealing to people who actually like spending time with their friends AND playing video games. Chilling out on the couch, drinking beer and playing halo with a group of friends is an experience that PC gaming simply cannot deliver on. Also, paying less for a console means having more to spend on a big TV and surround sound.



Aye Charana, I forgot that. I once talked to a man who liked Civs, but said he wanted to play it loungeing on his couch with chips and soda, not hunched over his computer. And I can see where people are coming form when they might buy the Xbox version of BFII, or, Yoda forbid, even the PS version over the PC one, simply because you can have another player or three sitting next to you when they come over.

Xarwarz
07-01-2008, 03:40 AM
Yes it is mods rule

jonathan7
07-01-2008, 08:02 AM
Considering the fact that purchasing a desktop computer is a fairly pointless expenditure for many people now that a laptop can perform all of the required functionality, and be transported to/from work and class, were one to get ahold of a laptop that can run high-end games you will be looking at a purchase of at LEAST one thousand dollars.

To be honest I have been arguing from the standpoint of PC/Laptop - I have a Rock gaming Laptop, and haven't had a tower since 04', though my dad still has a PC at the heart of our house netowork.

A brand new Xbox 360 Pro costs less than three hundred dollars, will run all 360 games, and probably has at least two more years before it is replaced by a new console. With a lifetime of ~5 years for a console, that means you spend $600 every decade on new gaming hardware. The costs aren't even comparable. Even if you go with a desktop system, best of luck keeping your cost below $600 for ten years.

Cost is where Consoles really have the advantage.

Gaming consoles also are vastly more appealing to people who actually like spending time with their friends AND playing video games. Chilling out on the couch, drinking beer and playing halo with a group of friends is an experience that PC gaming simply cannot deliver on. Also, paying less for a console means having more to spend on a big TV and surround sound.

I completely disagree with this - I can hook my laptop up to our video projector, and have Xbox 360 controllers linked to my laptop; ergo I can play multi-player games with much better graphics and perhaps sound (never compared the two) than a console will deliver.

Not to say PC gaming has no advantages, just fewer than it used to.

I agree slightly with this. I do think if you have the money and are into gaming a PC/Laptop does deliver you more high quality gaming and more customizing options.

All this said if/when I get the money I may well buy an Xbox 360 - which I still think is the best of the current generation of consoles.

ET Warrior
07-01-2008, 12:21 PM
I completely disagree with this - I can hook my laptop up to our video projector, and have Xbox 360 controllers linked to my laptop; ergo I can play multi-player games with much better graphics and perhaps sound (never compared the two) than a console will deliver.And how many PC games are meant for split screen play? Any Mario Party, Smash Bros. or Mario Kart level party games?

Additionally, I've yet to play video games on any projector that was actually a good experience. Maybe if you have an HD projector, but most of them incur such a visual-audio lag with gaming as to make it nigh impossible.

jonathan7
07-01-2008, 12:32 PM
And how many PC games are meant for split screen play? Any Mario Party, Smash Bros. or Mario Kart level party games?

You haven't mentioned a game I would want to play yet :p

Additionally, I've yet to play video games on any projector that was actually a good experience. Maybe if you have an HD projector, but most of them incur such a visual-audio lag with gaming as to make it nigh impossible.

Come round :xp:

ForeverNight
07-01-2008, 02:51 PM
Really? Never played a video game on a projector and have a good experience with it?

Wow.

My best friend has a PS3 and Rock Band, whenever I'm at his house, we usually end up doing that for a little. His parents have a Sony Black Pearl Projector system that looks... awesome, there's no other way of saying it. The Audio shouldn't be affected by the projector, so I don't see how that works in.


And, as for laptops and gaming. I guess I'm just old fashioned in the way that I still say that Desktops are the only way to game on a PC. You can build yourself a pretty good Desktop for ~800USD, a little less if you reuse stuff like monitors, mice, cases, speakers.

A decade with a computer is definitely a longer time than most people spend with one. In the past seven years, my dad and I have built... 3 computers from scratch for our home use. I myself have built two more from spare parts so that I could have a comp. for free. (It's not the best system, but, meh, it gets the job done). Later this year, we're going to build another one.

So, yeah, bang for your buck, consoles are more cost effective. But, as J7 noted earlier about Audio Quality being better on PC's than consoles. That's no lie.

Take a Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Edition and compare it to what ever a X-Box or PS3 packs.

Granted, that's a higher-end card, but we're comparing the best (Or close to) a PC can offer to the best a Console can offer.

ET Warrior
07-02-2008, 09:48 AM
I guess I'm just old fashioned in the way that I still say that Desktops are the only way to game on a PC.Which means to stick with PC gaming, most people are going to need two computers. Continuing to drive a wedge into the price gap.
Take a Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Edition and compare it to what ever a X-Box or PS3 packs.Best of luck getting an $800 price tag tossing one of those into your machine.

ForeverNight
07-02-2008, 10:11 AM
Hey, I never said that I was going to put an X-Fi in my $800 computer. If we're talking an X-Fi, that means that I'm actually going to go higher end than normal. So, the price jumps accordingly.

So, you're buying a new console every 5 years or so... do you really think that that's likely? I mean, in the late 80's the NES was released, ~92 the SNES was released, ~96 the N64 was released, the Game Cube was released ~02 and the Wii was released ~07.

So, in a ten year period (Just from Nintendo though) we have 3 different consoles, with 3 different forms of gaming media.

What do you do with all your old games on with your consoles after you buy a new one? Throw them away?

With a PC you don't need to buy new games every time you upgrade. Even DOS games will word on XP and even on 2000 Professional (Granted you need an Emulator, but DosBox is free!) and there are some really good DOS games out there!

I know that I've been playing Wing Commander lately on my computer, got the emulator for free and downloaded the program for free. Both work great on my system.

Now, if I wanted to play Super Mario Brothers/Duck Hunt on my Wii, I'd be SOL'd wouldn't I?

ET Warrior
07-02-2008, 10:25 AM
Well the original Xbox dropped in 2001, and I don't see a new console from Microsoft hitting the market before 2010, which means at least 9 years on two consoles. And the 360 is backwards compatible with original Xbox games. And with my every 5 years figure, you basically proved my point. With your numbers:
NES 85 - 91 = 7 years
SNES 92 - 94 = 4 years
N64 94 - 02 = 8 years
Cube 02-07 = 5 years

As for Super Mario Bros. on the Wii?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Console

ForeverNight
07-02-2008, 10:36 AM
Alright, I looked at them wrong as I was typing and then decided to make my point off that, so I'll give you the ~5 years a console bit.

However, that still doesn't address the old games bit except on the X-Box 360, which, I believe, included it only as an extra feature, driving that price up.

But, I said it earlier, and I'll say it again, PC Gaming is not as cost-effective(In the sense of years) as Console Gaming. However, I do think that you get more bang for your buck with PC gaming. Look at the Graphics on Crysis (With a high end graphics card, not an El Cheapo I can buy four for forty bucks GPU.)

Compare that to the best game (Graphics wise) on any console of your choice.

Oh, and for the multiplayer bit, I can play multiplayers on my PC with people who live in other countries on games... for free! Beat that for multiplayer.

ET Warrior
07-02-2008, 10:47 AM
However, that still doesn't address the old games bit except on the X-Box 360, which, I believe, included it only as an extra feature, driving that price up.Well, it may be an extra feature, but it's one that all 360s have, and it still doesn't drive the price up nearly to the PC gaming level.
However, I do think that you get more bang for your buck with PC gaming.Well you certainly get more BANG, but I would contend that the difference between Crysis on a high end graphics card and the more graphically inclined 360 (or ps3) games is not worth the 1k+ difference in price tag.
Oh, and for the multiplayer bit, I can play multiplayers on my PC with people who live in other countries on games... for free! Beat that for multiplayer.Which is not the same as sitting in the same room, goofing around and having a good time. I can also play with people in other countries on my xbox (for less than 10 dollars a month, still not going to make my console more expensive than your pc).

ForeverNight
07-02-2008, 11:12 AM
No, not contending that it is going to make your console more expensive than my pc, however, it is an extra feature that is going to cost you. The longer you use it, the more you have to pay. Whereas I get the same feature for free on my PC.

No, it certainly isn't the same as sitting in the same room goofing around and having a good time with friends. However, most homes seem to have more than a single PC in them. (I know my house has three at the moment) and with some Cat5 you can do close to the same thing.

I could play a game with two other friends just within the house, now, granted, we wouldn't all be in the same room, but we're all close enough, at least in my house's layout, that we're within shouting distance.

Now, I know you're going to raise the point that that's not the same, and it isn't. But that is as close as you're going to get without moving all the computers around or going to a large scale LAN party.

However, if that is the only two strengths that you're attributing to Consoles, than there is no point in buying one. Since, with PC's, we can actually mod our games so we aren't playing the vanilla version over and over and over wanting to get more content, but not ever getting it.

jonathan7
07-02-2008, 11:15 AM
No, not contending that it is going to make your console more expensive than my pc, however, it is an extra feature that is going to cost you. The longer you use it, the more you have to pay. Whereas I get the same feature for free on my PC.

Please tell me where I can get free broadband, I'd like some too :xp: ;)

However, if that is the only two strengths that you're attributing to Consoles, than there is no point in buying one. Since, with PC's, we can actually mod our games so we aren't playing the vanilla version over and over and over wanting to get more content, but not ever getting it.

You can update games on the 360 ;)

Inyri
07-02-2008, 11:18 AM
Please tell me where I can get free broadband, I'd like some too :xp: ;)A valid point, but it might be worth bringing up that you obviously have an internet connection in addition to your Xbox Live account or whatnot. In fact is it not required to have internet service for the Live account to work?

So basically they both use the intarwebz, if my knowledge is correct, but your Xbox charges you an additional fee for the privilege of using it whereas your computer doesn't.

jonathan7
07-02-2008, 11:22 AM
A valid point, but it might be worth bringing up that you obviously have an internet connection in addition to your Xbox Live account or whatnot. In fact is it not required to have internet service for the Live account to work?

I don't have an Xbox, so dunno I'm affraid :giveup:

So basically they both use the intarwebz, if my knowledge is correct, but your Xbox charges you an additional fee for the privilege of using it whereas your computer doesn't.

Bit rich if they do; if I get a 360, won't get it with Xbox Live then.

Personally I still think the best gaming experience, especially single player is to be had on the PC.

Inyri
07-02-2008, 11:27 AM
"You" is ambiguous. ;)

But even so, I think the Xbox is the only console that actually makes you pay extra to play it online. From what I've seen the PS3 just connects directly to the wireless router. Then again my last console was a PS2 (which, when it's working, I'm exceedingly satisified with) so I'm not really an expert on these things.

I've not really got much interest in getting a 360 or a PS3 or whatnot. I just have my boyfriend bring his PS3 over once a week so I can play a little GTA4 and I'm good. :)

ForeverNight
07-02-2008, 12:25 PM
PS3 does connect to the router. I know since my friend's been having a bad time of trying to get it to connect properly sometimes.

But, one thing that nobody's brought up yet, you can do so much more on the PC as opposed to the X-Box series, the PS's and whatever Nintendo releases. After all, I don't think many people are going to be doing this on a console? Well, actually, on the PS3 I know you can, it's just... difficult without the Keyboard.

Astor
07-02-2008, 12:28 PM
But, one thing that nobody's brought up yet, you can do so much more on the PC as opposed to the X-Box series, the PS's and whatever Nintendo releases. After all, I don't think many people are going to be doing this on a console? Well, actually, on the PS3 I know you can, it's just... difficult without the Keyboard.

But that's not exactly relevant to the discussion. We're talking about PC Gaming, not word processing or other activities.

Ghost Down
07-02-2008, 12:29 PM
Don't make me destroy you! :vadar:

In my opinion consoles are overrated, they are like outdated in what? 2 to 3 years? While a decent gaming PC can last for several years. For example my current rig is about 7 years old and I can still run most games on high, although I am building a new one which hopefully will be completed next week :)

ForeverNight
07-02-2008, 12:40 PM
But that's not exactly relevant to the discussion. We're talking about PC Gaming, not word processing or other activities.

It is if you're debating the strengths and weaknesses of both systems. If one is going to say that Consoles are better and then give one of the reasons as during multiplayer you can play with the people right next to you and goof off, well, that's not exactly related, directly, to how Console Gaming is better. Since I can console game by my self.

So, I guess it is relevant because the environment of gaming was brought up.

EnderWiggin
07-02-2008, 01:38 PM
Don't make me destroy you! :vadar:

In my opinion consoles are overrated, they are like outdated in what? 2 to 3 years? While a decent gaming PC can last for several years. For example my current rig is about 7 years old and I can still run most games on high, although I am building a new one which hopefully will be completed next week :)

I feel like you didn't actually read this thread before you posted.

ET explained that consoles last for about 5 years, whereas computers become half as good every two years.
(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_Law)

I'm on the side of PC gaming, but I really do agree that computers become out of date very quickly. You are lying if you say that a video card like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrox_G400#Matrox_G450 ; found on google which released ~7 years ago) can play games like Crysis on high.

_EW_

Ghost Down
07-02-2008, 02:39 PM
Heh, you got me there EW. But my GPU is the ONLY part which I have replaced in 7 years ;)

And yeah, I was too lazy to read the whole thread :xp:

Jae Onasi
07-02-2008, 03:10 PM
You are lying if you say that a video card like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrox_G400#Matrox_G450 ; found on google which released ~7 years ago) can play games like Crysis on high.

_EW_
Not even all the new cards can handle Crysis. Conputers 5 years from now should be able to, however. :D

ForeverNight
07-02-2008, 03:14 PM
Would it be fair to say that Crysis is the Killer App of this age?

I would love to see how a console would work with a Killer App... :lol: "My [InsertConsoleNameHere] isn't working properly! Fix it!"

Sounds like more than a few console owners I know.

Ghost Down
07-02-2008, 03:16 PM
Well, with my new PC I'll be able to run Crysis at max settings with about 70 FPS :D

So, it ain't that much of a killer ForeverNight ;)

Det. Bart Lasiter
07-02-2008, 03:27 PM
Well, with my new PC I'll be able to run Crysis at max settings with about 70 FPS :D

So, it ain't that much of a killer ForeverNight ;)What? At 640x480?

Ghost Down
07-02-2008, 03:29 PM
Nope, 1280x1024. It ain't that much of a killer at all.

My new rig:

CPU: Intel Quad Core Q6600 2.4GHz clocked at 3.0 GHz
GPU: XFX GeForce 9800GTX Black Edition 512MB PCI-E 2.0
MOBO: ASUS P5-E
RAM: GeIL Black Dragon Series 4GB DDR2 1066MHz
PSU: Coolermaster 700Watt

ForeverNight
07-02-2008, 03:48 PM
The app that could never be tamed is. [Whistles]

What's your OS for that line up?

Ghost Down
07-02-2008, 03:49 PM
XP 32-bit right now, but I'm probably gonna switch to Vista 64-bit to make full use of my 4 GB's of memory ;)

Q
07-02-2008, 03:50 PM
^^^
You'd be lucky to get 40FPS with that rig. Very lucky.

Ghost Down
07-02-2008, 03:52 PM
You are wrong Qliveur, I saw a test of my graphics card, and they where using pretty much the same rig, and they got 70 FPS out Crysis while the game was running at max settings ;)

But anyway,

Public warning for offensive picture after your earlier infraction for tasteless jokes. If you keep posting offensive comments/pictures, you'll be banned. --Jae

ForeverNight
07-02-2008, 04:15 PM
Like the poster!

I don't know about a whole 70 FPS, but you might get in that range...

Just remember, Vista-64 has tons of compatibility issues. All your 16 bit software will get the heave-ho (If you have any!) Then, there's about a 10% Performance hit with Vista.

But, you'll have to report back on your performance with Crysis.

Q
07-02-2008, 04:17 PM
For the sake of such a retarded argument: a Crysis benchmark from a reputable source. (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3340&p=3) 1280x1024 results are in the table below. 70FPS?! Even a GTX280 or a 9800GX2 can't do that. :roleyess:

Actually, the 40FPS was a guess on my part, but as you can see, I was damn close. :D And I guarantee you that they weren't using max settings here. They weren't even using AA. And their test rig has a QX9650 and 4GB. I don't know what the guys that told you that a 9800GTX could run Crysis at 70FPS were smoking at the time, but be prepared to be bitterly disappointed. ;)

Ghost Down
07-02-2008, 04:22 PM
Too be honest, I don't care. I never really liked Crysis, way overrated in my opinion. And 40 or 70 FPS what's the difference? Anything above 20 FPS is playable :xp:

Q
07-02-2008, 04:26 PM
You're right on both counts. And that rig will play any other game very well. I hope you didn't pay too much for it.

Oh, and before I forget, GD: Save yourself a monster headache and buy yourself an OEM copy of XP so you can dual-boot and use old software and play old games without any problems. ;)

Ghost Down
07-02-2008, 04:33 PM
I payed about 1000 euros for it, about 1500 US dollars. Maybe more, I dunno.

Btw, thanks for the tip :)

Q
07-02-2008, 04:44 PM
It's the best advice I can give anyone who's building a new machine. All you have to do is look around here at the countless posts devoted to rants about trying to run KotOR on Vista to see the wisdom in such a purchase. And it just needs to be XP Home, nothing fancy, and certainly NOT XP 64!!!111!!

Ghost Down
07-02-2008, 04:46 PM
I once tried out Vista 32-bit for about 2 months and KOTOR ran flawlessly on it ;)

Q
07-02-2008, 04:48 PM
That's just the thing: with some, it does run flawlessly, and others it doesn't. Even Astro couldn't get KotOR2 to run on Vista.

Ghost Down
07-02-2008, 04:51 PM
Hmm, weird. If anything else fails they could always run the game in VMWare.

But anyway, back on topic.

I feel sorry for console gamers, they use their thumbs. They don't know any better! :xp:

Inyri
07-02-2008, 04:54 PM
Smart PC gamers use their thumbs too, you know. Nothing better than a mouse with a hundred buttons. :)

Astor
07-02-2008, 05:34 PM
I feel sorry for console gamers, they use their thumbs. The console designers don't know any better! :xp:

Fixed :lol:

ForeverNight
07-03-2008, 11:03 AM
I just like the accuracy you can get in FPS's with Computers as compared to a Console.

I've played Halo2 on both PC and X-Box 360 I sucked wind on the X-Box one (Mainly because I had absolutely no idea how to look around and then how to move!) then I picked it up at a MicroCenter in Palo Alto and decided to play it for a little.

It looked like I'd played that game for a long time according to a person watching... I guess WSAD and the Mouse are just that much more accurate. [Shrugs]

Ray Jones
07-03-2008, 12:09 PM
PC games suffer from the fact that it's nearly impossible to do hardware level coding, everything has to be done via a latest drivers/DirectX/patches stuff, simply to be able to make it run on a ton of different hardware, from mainboard over memory to CPU and GPU.

On the other side every Playstation, XBox etc has the same hardware in it, giving the coders the ability to perform their tricks directly with the hardware, what naturally gives more performance than on comparable PC-hardware with the needed software overhead.

That's why consoles last longer, and seem to be "virtually" more powerful. However, regarding the gaming sector, this is an unbeatable pro.

That's just the thing: with some, it does run flawlessly, and others it doesn't. Even Astro couldn't get KotOR2 to run on Vista.It runs on Mac/Linux and WINE, however. XPPP

Q
07-03-2008, 03:47 PM
It runs on Linux? Really? I did not know that (Ed, did you know that? Uh, YES! :xp: ). That's great news! :)

ET Warrior
07-03-2008, 04:05 PM
I guess *what you're used to is* just that much more accurate.You're better with a mouse and keyboard combo because that's what you play, and that's what you're good at. I am not good w/ a mouse and keyboard, but am quite capable of rocking face with a controller.

It's just what you know.

ForeverNight
07-04-2008, 01:57 PM
True... However, compare the Halo 2 Multiplayer cross-platform.

Before PC users had to get Nerfed, it used to be that they were more accurate than the X-Box users, and they could run and shoot at the same time.

Tell me that Console Gamers can run around in circles, and shoot accurately at the same time. I've played console games, not often mind you, but often enough for me to get the feel of the game, and everytime I've wanted to strafe and shoot I just can't do it.

Maybe you can, I don't know.

ET Warrior
07-04-2008, 04:08 PM
I can jump spin strafe and shoot at the same time with pretty decent accuracy.

HdVaderII
07-07-2008, 07:21 PM
Why have PC games? To mod.

Rabish Bini
07-08-2008, 01:43 AM
Tell me that Console Gamers can run around in circles, and shoot accurately at the same time. I've played console games, not often mind you, but often enough for me to get the feel of the game, and everytime I've wanted to strafe and shoot I just can't do it.

Maybe you can, I don't know.
I can, it's actually not that hard...

And I think that PC gaming has it's advantages and disadvantages, I like both evenly, as my comp is pretty good and I never have to configure anything, even if I wanna play Duke 3D :D