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Trex
06-30-2008, 07:56 PM
Straight forward enough question I couldn't find asked elsewhere on the forum. If the Exile is canonically female, which face do you feel fits the most?

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9536/facesoftheexilezl7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Was going to start a poll, but the forum only allows ten options, and there's sixteen heads. Never mind, just state the number written by the portrait instead.

Meowster
06-30-2008, 08:09 PM
I myself choose the 7th? It looks differant from all of the other portraits... maybe its because its the only facing forward? Anyways, the 7th is just what I'd imagine the Exile to be like... if she were lightside. 14 if Darkside.

TKA-001
06-30-2008, 08:29 PM
None of them look exλctly right to me. I'm not sure why.

jonathan7
06-30-2008, 09:39 PM
My Exile isn't female... Cannon can kiss me ***.

TKA-001
06-30-2008, 10:13 PM
Heh, saγing things like that at KFM can get you banned.

HIGH ON PIE 14
06-30-2008, 10:18 PM
I always use a modded blue twi'lek head that is supposed to look like an older mission vao. I have not used any of these heads in ages. But out of those choices #12 for lightside, #7 for darkside.

~HOP

MacTavish
06-30-2008, 11:55 PM
I'd say 14 fits best in my opinion, I think it's the seriousness and somewhat darkness of the facial expression.

Ravnas
07-01-2008, 12:30 AM
My Exile isn't female... Cannon can kiss me ***.

QFT

Oh and you spelled my wrong:xp: But if I'm ever female, I'm usually #9, But usually I'm male and pining after Mira:(

General LiWar
07-01-2008, 12:33 AM
7 looks the most real, the others kinda have weird features/shapes going on

Astor
07-01-2008, 06:40 AM
Every time I play as a female, I plays as 14. I don't know why, but that face seems to fit better than most.

jonathan7
07-01-2008, 07:36 AM
Heh, saγing things like that at KFM can get you banned.

KFM?

I don't really think saying that is worthy of a ban, especially considering I don't consider the *** as actually a swear word, but some of the mods do; hence me staring it. I would consider it no loss to myself to banned from a forum where you couldn't say the above.

Bee Hoon
07-01-2008, 11:12 AM
Head number 10:p

luckyariot
07-01-2008, 12:31 PM
I always choose 14 for a couple of reasons. #1 is that it actually looks serious enough to be a former general and Jedi, #2 because I always get ticked off that every main character (usually the Jedi ones) ends up being a caucasion (sp?). :( Is it that hard to get some diversity with our main heroes/heroines? #3 is that some of the other heads seem more than a little...off. Am I the only one who noticed that 12 has a scary resemblance to Atris?! :freakout: Scared the heck out of me the first time I looked at it. :lol:

jonathan7
07-01-2008, 12:50 PM
because I always get ticked off that every main character (usually the Jedi ones) ends up being a caucasion (sp?)

This is why my Revan is a black woman - she breaks the mould in every way possible :D

Rev7
07-01-2008, 06:01 PM
My Exile isn't female... Cannon can kiss me ***.
Word. :carms:

The one time that I did play as a female, I chose 14 just because. I usually play male though. ;)

jonathan7
07-01-2008, 06:08 PM
Word. :carms:

The one time that I did play as a female, I chose 14 just because. I usually play male though. ;)

Meet me;

http://theborggaming.planet-multiplayer.de/Pictures_full/wallpaper_06/Wallpapers_622.jpg

As I actually look very much like PCMHC01...

http://www.lucasforums.com/album.php?albumid=13&pictureid=28

Rev7
07-01-2008, 06:14 PM
You do. I don't really look like any of them. :(

jonathan7
07-01-2008, 06:15 PM
You do. I don't really look like any of them. :(

What are you trying to say? :xp: What's wrong with PCMHC01; play as me. ;)

Don't make me set Mace on you Jango... We know how that went last time! :xp:

Trex
07-01-2008, 06:45 PM
My Exile isn't female... Cannon can kiss me ***.

Actually, despite the fact that I started this thread, I kinda agree.

I play TSL as Darth Revan. How's that for anti-cannonicity?! :)

Robb Stark
07-01-2008, 08:34 PM
I'm sure the pansy Star Wars canon Exile walked around giving people hugs, telling everyone how she was wrong to join Revan in the Mandalorian Wars, and how the Council was right and how the Republic is so great, chiding Kreia at every turn for her insensitivity toward her companions and the suffering of others. If I had to wager, I'd say Lucas' people would choose #9.

IMO, the story is far more interesting if the Exile still believes in her heart that joining Revan was right. I want an Exile who can stare down the Jedi masters, especially Atris, for what their blind adherence to doctrine and their fear of confronting the unknown did to the galaxy. Furthermore, she needs to have a look that makes her appear insensitive to those she commands, at least outwardly, but who beneath has a compassionate heart. I'd go with #11.

jonathan7
07-01-2008, 08:38 PM
IMO, the story is far more interesting if the Exile still believes in his heart that joining Revan was right. I want an Exile who can stare down the Jedi masters, especially Atris, for what their blind adherence to doctrine and their fear of confronting the unknown did to the galaxy.

Fixed :D and agreed.

TKA-001
07-01-2008, 09:06 PM
still believes in her heart that joining Revan was right.
...even though so many Jedi flocking to Revan's command was what allowed him to start another war in which he and his subordinates murdered quadrillions of people (Revan also killed thousands of his own soldiers even before he began the Jedi Civil War).

for what their blind adherence to doctrine and their fear of confronting the unknown did to the galaxy.
So it's the Council's fault that Revan decided to start a second war in which his forces massacred planetary populations in the name of "protecting" the Republic against some supposed external threat? If the Jedi Order's doctrine had been properly followed in the first place, then Revan and his band of hooligans wouldn't have gone on their crusade to vandalize the galaxy in the first place.

jonathan7
07-01-2008, 09:11 PM
...even though so many Jedi flocking to Revan's command was what allowed him to start another war in which he and his subordinates murdered quadrillions of people (Revan also killed thousands of his own soldiers even before he began the Jedi Civil War).

So it's the Council's fault that Revan decided to start a second war in which his forces massacred planetary populations in the name of "protecting" the Republic against some supposed external threat? If the Jedi Order's doctrine had been properly followed in the first place, then Revan and his band of hooligans wouldn't have gone on their crusade to vandalize the galaxy in the first place.

Things get subjective here, but my Exile, went to war to protect innocents, the Jedi served no-one by inaction, indeed would Revan et al have fallen had the Jedi Council gone to war? I think continually the Jedi Council of the time are shown to be incompetent at best...

If you go DS in K1; you can lie to them all.

In K2, they either get eaten by Nihilus or killed by an old woman.

Hardly the CV of someone to listen to.

Besides regretting the past is a mistake as it has made you who you are now; my Exile made the decision he though was the correct one.

My 2 cents.

TKA-001
07-01-2008, 09:17 PM
Trying to defend Revan's genocidal tendancies as anything other than what they are is someone I like to call "Player Character Bias".

jonathan7
07-01-2008, 09:23 PM
Trying to defend Revan's genocidal tendancies as anything other than what they are is someone I like to call "Player Character Bias".

I'm not trying to defend Revan... I'm defending the Exile, I'm not quite sure how you can possibly have construed this as anything but a discussion about the Exile.

I'm no Revan fanboy...

Rev7
07-01-2008, 09:51 PM
What are you trying to say? :xp: What's wrong with PCMHC01; play as me. ;)

Don't make me set Mace on you Jango... We know how that went last time! :xp:
You know what? I will. :xp:

Yes I do know. :/ I'm watching you though. :¬:

I'm no Revan fanboy...
I'm obviously not one either. :xp:

He is cool, but I am not obsessed with him. It may seem like I am obsessed with Jango, but to tell you the truth, I am really not. Just a theme. ;)

General LiWar
07-01-2008, 10:30 PM
Wait, i just noticed something, if the exile is cannonically female why is all the art show him as a male?

ie.http://theborggaming.planet-multiplayer.de/Pictures_full/wallpaper_06/Wallpapers_622.jpg


and to reiterate what i said earlier, #7 although #14 is also a good choice

M@RS
07-01-2008, 10:35 PM
I think the 12th for the lightside and the 5th for the darkside ;)

TKA-001
07-01-2008, 11:15 PM
if the exile is cannonically female why is all the art show him as a male?
It's just something they did in the promotional material and advertisements. They can't really be used as evidence for a male Exile, since promotional material doesn't define canon (most of the time), and even if they were considering having the Exile be male at the time, whoever is in charge of canon decided to have it turn out differently between now and then.

Robb Stark
07-01-2008, 11:47 PM
I don't see anyone trying to defend what Revan did here. We're talking about the Exile's choices. The Exile went to war to protect people who were being slaughtered by the millions by the Mandalorians. She believed that to be Revan's goal, and she agreed with it.

Fighting in a war does not mean supporting all of the reasons (or what turn out to be the reasons) others fight in the same war. In my opinion anyway. That can apply to real world situations if one wishes, but it fits here as well. Of course, many people blame soldiers for the choices their leaders and governments make, so it is somewhat subjective. Certainly many people would agree with the "all Germans/Japanese/Americans are evil" argument.

The relevant question is not what happened to Revan, but what a doctrine that purports to serve the Light Side is worth if adhering to it means standing aside while half the galaxy is slaughtered? Is that truly in the interests of some longterm universal sense of good or right? Or is it a decision influenced by the ambitions, fears, and prejudices of actual people based on self preservation for their philosophy/religion? The Council's judgement of the Exile at the end of KotOR2 provides the clincher for me personally, but obviously there are many ways to look at the argument as a whole.

Sabretooth
07-02-2008, 02:59 AM
I like the bald guy: he had the look of an outcast and a kickass maverick in general. There's also that Jesusface with the beard, but he looks to old for me, especially considering how the game is supposed to let you strike a romance with Visas or Brianna...

I've always wondered the Exile's age, judging by his history, he/she should have been at least 30 to be a General in the Mandalorian War (except if he/she were extremely, prodigally talented, which must be the case). And I don't have my dates right, but this game must be at least 5 years in the future? All the faces seem to be in the late 20s, except for the Jesusface.

Edit: Curse you, slow image loading! Curse you, impatience! Curse you, Sabretooth! :xp:

Among the girls, No. 12 looks like the Exile... and Atris' twin. Other than her, No. 15 and No. 1 seem to be good.

JediMaster76
07-02-2008, 03:18 AM
Hmm... prolly #6 for LS, #3 or #14 for DS. I don't remember the last time i played female exile, tho. 3 and 14 got that creepy "I've returned and I'm going to kill everybody" look. Especially 3. >_>

Totenkopf
07-02-2008, 04:02 AM
I throw my lot in w/ Rev7, Jon7 and Ravnas. Always saw Exile as male, canon be d@mned. When I did play it as female, I tended to use #s 1,7,9, or 10 (or a modded head).

jonathan7
07-02-2008, 07:00 AM
Wait, i just noticed something, if the exile is cannonically female why is all the art show him as a male?

I think that is because Obsidian intended the Exile to be male. Personally in my universe, Revan was a woman, and the Exile a male... I like it that way :)

I like the bald guy: he had the look of an outcast and a kickass maverick in general.

Thanks :D

I throw my lot in w/ Rev7, Jon7 and Ravnas. Always saw Exile as male, canon be d@mned. When I did play it as female, I tended to use #s 1,7,9, or 10 (or a modded head).

Join us, on the male side of the force!

Fighting in a war does not mean supporting all of the reasons (or what turn out to be the reasons) others fight in the same war. In my opinion anyway. That can apply to real world situations if one wishes, but it fits here as well. Of course, many people blame soldiers for the choices their leaders and governments make, so it is somewhat subjective. Certainly many people would agree with the "all Germans/Japanese/Americans are evil" argument.

Unfortunately people love to simplify an dehumanise the enemy (it's easier to kill if they aren't human).

The relevant question is not what happened to Revan, but what a doctrine that purports to serve the Light Side is worth if adhering to it means standing aside while half the galaxy is slaughtered? Is that truly in the interests of some longterm universal sense of good or right? Or is it a decision influenced by the ambitions, fears, and prejudices of actual people based on self preservation for their philosophy/religion? The Council's judgement of the Exile at the end of KotOR2 provides the clincher for me personally, but obviously there are many ways to look at the argument as a whole.

I think there is more than enough evidence to show the incompetence of the Jedi Council of the time. Though Vash was meant to defend the Exile at the trial before being cut. I also can't diss Vandar, as he's Yoda like.

But Vrook was so moody he basically was DS. Zez el Muppet spoke well, and then followed like a sheep. Some friend Kavar was. Atris - erm, aren't you a Sith Lord anyway - so what are you on about the Exile being DS?

Totenkopf
07-02-2008, 12:16 PM
Vrook and Atris always struck me as self-righteous to the point of obnoxiousness. Vash struck me as a "team player" who had maybe a reservation or two about banning the Exile, much like ZKE and Kavar. Seems apparent to me that the compromised Jedi were really looking to save their own skins, all the more so when they didn't try to confront the evil, but rather seemed more interested in finding a scapegoat.

In the case of Atris.....I believe it was a form of deflection. She'd already fallen, but used the Exile to mask it from the others. Still fearful and looking for someone to blame for their predicament, they "graciously" accepted.

Burnseyy
07-02-2008, 01:20 PM
i picked 9.
but i don't like any of them lol

Meowster
07-02-2008, 01:59 PM
I'd like to agree with you, Jonathan7. Revan will, and always will be, female in my book. Exile will be male. (Although occasionally I'll play female just for a change in things.)

luckyariot
07-02-2008, 07:17 PM
*shrugs* I have absolutely no problems with a male Revan, other than the romance scenes. Seriously, I cringed when I saw them. Thanks a bunch LA! And I had just seen the prequels again with my friends a week before... some of the male Revan romance scenes made the ATC ones look good... :¬:

But my problem with the FM Exile was how Atris fit into the story, Sion's romanic interest (which is given no backstory...and scared the hell out of me), and that, in Mical vs. Brianna, we all know who is the cooler character and who doesn't make fans seriously want to kill their PMs. Eh, but I'm still happy that we finally get a (decently) well-developed and powerful FM main character.... Finally. :D

Da_Man_2423
07-02-2008, 07:41 PM
*shrugs* I have absolutely no problems with a male Revan, other than the romance scenes. Seriously, I cringed when I saw them. Thanks a bunch LA! And I had just seen the prequels again with my friends a week before... some of the male Revan romance scenes made the ATC ones look good... :¬:


LA didn't make the game or the romance scenes...I don't know why they would be blamed for that.

What were you expecting from the romance scenes?

MacTavish
07-02-2008, 08:33 PM
in Mical vs. Brianna, we all know who is the cooler character and who doesn't make fans seriously want to kill their PMs
Who?

jonathan7
07-02-2008, 08:37 PM
What were you expecting from the romance scenes?

I wouldn't ask questions we don't want the answer too ;)

luckyariot
09-22-2008, 10:51 PM
What were you expecting from the romance scenes?
Nothing much, to tell you the truth. But it still seems like Bastila falls for a male Revan for absolutely no reason whatsoever, DS or LS. And she knew you were a former Sith Lord who (directly or indirectly) slaughtered millions. Carth also recovered a little faster from that reveal then I thought he would, yet at least his feelings for a female Revan develop over time. You can still act like a jerk around Bastila as a male the whole game and she'll like you... :confused: Am I the only one thinking that seems a little off?

Oh, and sorry for blaming LA, who approving it. Should I blame Bioware, the writers, or both? :xp:

Who?
Actually, Brianna in most cases, though Mical is a good Jedi in gameplay. Brianna's backstory was more fleshed out, as a romance interest she was slightly less stalker-ish... if only slightly (:lol:), and her voice didn't make me want to turn off the volume.

I only enjoyed Mical's topics of conversation concerning the Jedi Civil War, Revan, and the Force, and I was pretty accepting of him compared to some on these boards. Some who really want the DS Atton kills Mical scene back in the game... Dear Force! They're coming! HIDE ME!!!!!!!!! FAN-GIRLS!!!!! AAAAGGGHHHH!!!!! *dies a horrible slasher-fic death*

Endorenna
09-22-2008, 11:29 PM
Actually, Brianna in most cases, though Mical is a good Jedi in gameplay. Brianna's backstory was more fleshed out, as a romance interest she was slightly less stalker-ish... if only slightly (:lol:), and her voice didn't make me want to turn off the volume.

Exactly! I blame Mical for getting me into the habit of playing with the volume off...:lol:


I only enjoyed Mical's topics of conversation concerning the Jedi Civil War, Revan, and the Force, and I was pretty accepting of him compared to some on these boards.

I got pretty sick of all his history stuff after a while. Never could get any more dialog options up...


Some really want the DS Atton kills Mical scene back in the game...

I want that scene! That would be insanely fun! :devburn:


Dear Force! They're coming! HIDE ME!!!!!!!!! FAN-GIRLS!!!!! AAAAGGGHHHH!!!!! *dies a horrible slasher-fic death*

LOL!!!!!

Saber-Scorpion
09-23-2008, 09:23 AM
well what can i say i have not played female in any game where i can choose so that means i haven't even looked at the faces for females i am also not obsessed with revan but he is my favourite SW charater well anyways i don't think much of cannon so in my universe both Revan and The Exile are male

Zerimar Nyliram
09-23-2008, 06:03 PM
See, this is interesting. For Revan, I have always used the guy with long hair because his face has become solidified as the Revan in my mind. For the Exile, I haven't really settled on any one face yet. I've played around with several, including some fan-made skins.

Yar-El
09-24-2008, 12:25 AM
See, this is interesting. For Revan, I have always used the guy with long hair because his face has become solidified as the Revan in my mind. For the Exile, I haven't really settled on any one face yet. I've played around with several, including some fan-made skins. We may end up learning that they look entirely different from whats in game.

Zerimar Nyliram
09-24-2008, 04:47 PM
If you're referring to the comic series, I certainly hope not. Providing canonical faces from Revan and the Exile will be the worst thing they could possibly do. Many avid Star Wars fans will feel obligated to view the characters in this light, thus ruining the feeling that their in-game counterparts are your characters. They've already restricted this feeling enough by canonizing their genders and alignments.

See, the point of these characters is that they are so obscure that they could have been anybody. That's where a lot of the appeal comes from. KOTOR 2, unlike the games in the Jedi Knight series, does not presuppose that the player chose the light side ending in order to continue the story. It works along either path, which is where the appeal comes in that anything could have happened. Canonizing the light side ending to the first game ruined this appeal for many people, myself included.

While I accept these decisions as official canon, I can't say I like them. LucasArts should have let it all remain a big mystery. Mystery is good sometimes. It keeps things interesting. Not everything needs to be answered. Good examples of this are Yoda's and Palpatine's pasts, as well as the mystery surrounding Anakin's conception.

Anyway, in a roundabout way of saying it: I vote "no" to giving Revan and the Exile canonical faces.

Inyri
09-24-2008, 04:50 PM
I think they've already canonized Revan's face. Or they've at least mentioned which one they intended to be the real Revan.

Zerimar Nyliram
09-24-2008, 06:08 PM
Really? Can you tell me where I may find this information?

If that's true, at least they're going with an already-existing face. I might forgive them if it's "Mullet Man."

Also, is the "they" you speak of Dark Horse Comics, in reference to future appearances in upcoming issues?

Inyri
09-24-2008, 06:09 PM
I think it is, but I don't care that much so I haven't bothered making up a reference list. I've simply come across various different threads here over the last few years that have made such claims.

LadyVader1986
09-24-2008, 07:49 PM
I always choose 14 for a couple of reasons. #1 is that it actually looks serious enough to be a former general and Jedi, #2 because I always get ticked off that every main character (usually the Jedi ones) ends up being a caucasion (sp?). :( Is it that hard to get some diversity with our main heroes/heroines?
I agree. Thats why I always choose head number 2 or 5. They are my favorite heads, and I also think they are the prettiest heads. The rest of them look weird or look like men. But it would be nice if the Exile was actually ethnic.:)

This is why my Revan is a black woman - she breaks the mould in every way possible :D
Mine too. It's the pretty one with the loose hair. I like her because she's the only female Revan model that doesn't look like a dude. :lol:

The Betrayer
09-25-2008, 07:29 AM
10 for LS and DS.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
09-26-2008, 06:24 AM
when i play k1 or k2, i just cant seem to play it any other way than the ones i did the first time i played. the heads i chose then have completely associated themselves in my mind with the characters. like when i read fanfics, i picture those heads. i always play as #12. i never thought she looked like atris... shock1
i just cant choose another head when i play. for me its like taking some random person and calling them <insert favorite franchise character her> yknow?
anyone else have that?

EDIT:

its also great when you find artwork of your fave head:
check out aimo's deviantart page:http://aimo.deviantart.com/
i love her kotor art
http://www.aimostudio.com/gallery/images/067.jpg

Endorenna
09-26-2008, 07:01 AM
JIGOS, double-posting like that is considered spamming. Use the edit button to put in your new thoughts. :)

Fixered :D but yes, your post is correct and saves me the typing.. hehehe - Cz

TKA-001
09-26-2008, 11:08 AM
Please leave KOTOR fan manga out of this.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
09-27-2008, 05:07 AM
JIGOS, double-posting like that is considered spamming. Use the edit button to put in your new thoughts.

oop. didnt know that :sweat:
kind of odd... is this standard forum procedure? i havnt had that problem before... *rereads forum rules*
:eek:
but this is going way off topic.

luckyariot
10-01-2008, 07:50 AM
Please leave KOTOR fan manga out of this.
Thank you! Someone agrees! :D

The rest of them look weird or look like men. But it would be nice if the Exile was actually ethnic.
Matter of opinion I guess. I never thought any of them really looked male... And I'm still routing for an ethnic Exile. Too many of the typical heroines end up as overly beautiful, young, long-haired blondes, with blue eyes. Its rather annoying after a while, and the Exile is apparently a hardened, jadded war veteran. And a Jedi before that. She shouldn't nessesarily look like a model, IMO.

Oh, and to clarrify as to why I'm still alive: the fan-girls brought me back to life to try to convince me to become one of them... (eye-twitch). As such, I am typing this post from a safe-house. :xp:

Revan 411
10-12-2008, 08:54 PM
Well, as the others have said, I think 7 looks right for the female exile. I don't know why. Its just that its different from the other pictures.

Arátoeldar
10-13-2008, 02:19 AM
I have used TomBewley's Yuthura Ban, Alveron182/Chainz's Mission Vao 19, stoffe's Female Twi'lek Exile Appearance, Inyri's Playable Yuthura Ban and the 4 Bastila mods.

RyuuKage
10-13-2008, 09:58 PM
Every time I play as a female, I plays as 14. I don't know why, but that face seems to fit better than most.

same. occasionally 7.

SW01
10-13-2008, 10:24 PM
I started out once with 15, didn't like it so switched to 12, and STILL didn't like it, so switched to Bastila!:xp:

Though, when I played on the console, I used 12. Just a random choice, really.

Darth_Yuthura
10-13-2008, 10:33 PM
None of the male faces seemed to fit for the Exile. None of the Female fit Revan to me.

I thought that #9 stood above the rest and was exactly what I imagined of her. A few others were nice enough, but didn't fit in my mind. I do prefer Yuthura ban most for custom heads.

Endorenna
10-25-2008, 01:00 PM
I just realized that I forgot to say which heads were my favorites! :eek:

LS: 9. Or a red Twi'lek. ;)
DS zombie: Atris (12)
DS w/yellow eyes: 14. Or 9 again. (I just love 9, I don't know why...)


As far as the male heads go, I don't think ANY of them fit for Revan OR the Exile!!!!!!! :lol:

Fredi
10-26-2008, 02:09 AM
I would choose #7

Chevron 7 locke
10-26-2008, 02:48 AM
I always use a light sided female exile. dont know why...I just like doing that. my favorite head is the red-headed long haired one. and i always fight for what's right