PDA

View Full Version : (TSL)Vash's end


DarthStoney
07-03-2008, 10:37 AM
After reading a lot of differant opinions on this I decided it needed a vote.
Should Master Vash meet her end on M478 no matter what choice you make?
Or should she be able to return to the enclave with the other masters(provided I can create more Vo's for her) if you let her live?

jonathan7
07-03-2008, 10:41 AM
After reading a lot of differant opinions on this I decided it needed a vote.
Should Master Vash meet her end on M478 no matter what choice you make?
Or should she be able to return to the enclave with the other masters(provided I can create more Vo's for her) if you let her live?

Personally I think it better for Vash to meet her end on M4-78 vs Darth Sion.

My one suggestion would be that before she meets her end she warns the Exile, about the council, and tell the Exile (s)he is a true Jedi - and not to forget that, whatever else may come to pass. (DS option, would obviously not involve the above suggestion).

But that may well just be me. :)

DarthStoney
07-03-2008, 10:52 AM
If she is to meet her end on M478 than I do want opinions/suggestions on how that would occur as I have not planned it out yet.

TheExile
07-03-2008, 10:54 AM
Hey, Vash dies by Sions hand in the Secret Tomb. That's cut content...
But I voted on Vash should be allowed to return to the enclave

zbyl2
07-03-2008, 10:56 AM
It depends... If she'll have that many line like the rest of Master (and I think thath's no possible with this VO we have in game...) then yes, she should return. If no then Sion should kill her. This is my opinion, in poll I voted for her dead.
And one thing about her VO yet. She have not very much line in game, so I think it's possible to re-voice her and record some new Vo.

TriggerGod
07-03-2008, 11:34 AM
I voted for no, she shouldn't return alive, because then it'll be compatible(?) with TSLRP :D
How she should die? You should take the scene where Sion comes in, and modify it so that you are stunned, Sion takes care of Vash, while those 2 people that he came in with attack you.

jonathan7
07-03-2008, 11:39 AM
If she is to meet her end on M478 than I do want opinions/suggestions on how that would occur as I have not planned it out yet.

If it goes that way, I'm more than happy to whip up a plan for it. My way of thinking would be Vash holding up Sion so the Exile can escape.

DarthStoney
07-03-2008, 11:48 AM
If it goes that way, I'm more than happy to whip up a plan for it. My way of thinking would be Vash holding up Sion so the Exile can escape.

Sure, if you want to, basically that would be the general idea Vash sacrifices herself to save the Exile. Also need a scenario in which Kaah will be somehow involved as he (no matter what)will not be making it off M4.

zbyl2
07-03-2008, 11:55 AM
I agree, Sion should kill her. But I think about something like this: in Main Bechavior Core after talking with Vash and M4-78, Exile fight with Sion. When Exile or Sion have only few HP then Vash coming and rest is same as told Jonathan7. And maybe if player didn't kill Kaah, then he help Master Vash in this fight and he die too?

TriggerGod
07-03-2008, 11:56 AM
Sure, if you want to, basically that would be the general idea Vash sacrifices herself to save the Exile. Also need a scenario in which Kaah will be somehow involved as he (no matter what)will not be making it off M4.

He can hold off those Sith Sion brought with him to fight the Exile. Vash fights Sion while Kaah fights Sith so Exile can escape.

MacTavish
07-03-2008, 04:14 PM
He can hold off those Sith Sion brought with him to fight the Exile. Vash fights Sion while Kaah fights Sith so Exile can escape.

I agree. That sounds pretty good, but maybe Vash can live from that fight. Right when Sion is about to fight the Exile, a door opens and Kaah and Vash run in and force push the exile out of the way and yell "Run!", and that gives you dialogue options to either thank them and run (In which both Kaah and Vash later die) or stay and help them fight Sion (Kaah dies, Sion escapes, and Vash is able to return to Dantooine).

jonathan7
07-03-2008, 05:53 PM
I agree. That sounds pretty good, but maybe Vash can live from that fight. Right when Sion is about to fight the Exile, a door opens and Kaah and Vash run in and force push the exile out of the way and yell "Run!", and that gives you dialogue options to either thank them and run (In which both Kaah and Vash later die) or stay and help them fight Sion (Kaah dies, Sion escapes, and Vash is able to return to Dantooine).

I agree, Sion should kill her. But I think about something like this: in Main Bechavior Core after talking with Vash and M4-78, Exile fight with Sion. When Exile or Sion have only few HP then Vash coming and rest is same as told Jonathan7. And maybe if player didn't kill Kaah, then he help Master Vash in this fight and he die too?

As we're banding out idea's how about this;

See, given the VO, I think it makes more sense for Kaah to have fallen to the Darkside and be fighting with Sion; perhaps Kaah, would have become his apprentice. Personally my preference is Vash dying on M4-78, as that is similar to what happened in 'cannon'.

So fight occurs near the behaviour core', maybe with the Exile and Vash heading back to the Ebon Hawk together; however Sion perhaps arriving with Kaah and an army of Dark Jedi/Sith Assassins. Vash pushes the Exile back through a door, and seal's it leaving the Exile to have to escape. A bit like Trask on the Endar Spire in K1.

Thoughts?

Meowster
07-03-2008, 06:06 PM
I agree with the above. As much as I love Vash, I think it is fitting for her to die on M478.

TriggerGod
07-03-2008, 06:15 PM
As we're banding out idea's how about this;

See, given the VO, I think it makes more sense for Kaah to have fallen to the Darkside and be fighting with Sion; perhaps Kaah, would have become his apprentice. Personally my preference is Vash dying on M4-78, as that is similar to what happened in 'cannon'.

So fight occurs near the behaviour core', maybe with the Exile and Vash heading back to the Ebon Hawk together; however Sion perhaps arriving with Kaah and an army of Dark Jedi/Sith Assassins. Vash pushes the Exile back through a door, and seal's it leaving the Exile to have to escape. A bit like Trask on the Endar Spire in K1.

Thoughts?
Idea based on this :)
Sion arrives with Kaah(Who now has Sith Eyes...) and Sion fights with Vash. Vash puts up a fight, but loses. Sion knows your power, so he decides to test Kaah: have him fight the exile. You fight Kaah, and win. On Vash's body, you can find her lightsaber, which is custom :)

DarthStoney
07-03-2008, 08:56 PM
See, given the VO, I think it makes more sense for Kaah to have fallen to the Darkside and be fighting with Sion; perhaps Kaah, would have become his apprentice. Personally my preference is Vash dying on M4-78, as that is similar to what happened in 'cannon'.

So fight occurs near the behaviour core', maybe with the Exile and Vash heading back to the Ebon Hawk together; however Sion perhaps arriving with Kaah and an army of Dark Jedi/Sith Assassins. Vash pushes the Exile back through a door, and seal's it leaving the Exile to have to escape. A bit like Trask on the Endar Spire in K1.

Thoughts?

This sounds good,especially with Vash's existing dialog when asking about Kaah to Vash she says "he was pulled to the darkside through his fear" so it would make sense ,if you let Kaah live, for him to be easily coherced by Sion since he believes Vash is already dead and he is already darksided.

The scene could start just apon exiting the main core Vash is already there with Sion and Kaah, Vash forces pushes them into the core tells the Exile to go She will handle them ,she enters the core locking the door behind her,you enter the EH then a cutscene takes place in the core. In which Sion wins.

TheExile
07-04-2008, 01:45 AM
Wow, every time i check the poll is equal....

MacTavish
07-04-2008, 10:44 AM
Wow, every time i check the poll is equal....

Yea, seriously.
Edit: Whoa wait it's 11-12 now. :lol:

FoolInTheWave
07-04-2008, 11:18 AM
I like jonathan7's idea. I also think it would be cool if you could fight Kaah and the Sith Assassins though. Sion could come from one way, and Kaah and the Sith Assassins the other way to block the Exlie and Vash from escaping. Vash then force pushes the Exlie through a door as jonathan7 said, but the Exile gets up to see Kaah and the Sith Assassins and then proceeds to fight them.

Giant Graffiti
07-04-2008, 03:55 PM
I don't really know, I suppose she should die on M4-78.

Malpense
07-04-2008, 06:21 PM
I would like her to live and get to the academy myself... The original plan for her to die on M4-78, personally just seems like one of the early hints that Obsidian was running out of time. I think to make it as professional as possible, she should make a re-apperance at the academy.

However, depends on the quality of the voiceovers. That and the fact that I like Vash, and I can't see her turning on the Exile, which does confuse the issue. Either way, I'm fine with.

Rachel_Ewok
07-04-2008, 06:27 PM
I think it would be extremely powerful for her to die at the hands of Darth Sion, however it would be extremely interesting to see how she handles herslef in the Enclave...

Perhaps meet in the middle and make it so that the player can somehow choose what happens in dialogue?

jonathan7
07-04-2008, 06:33 PM
I would like her to live and get to the academy myself... The original plan for her to die on M4-78, personally just seems like one of the early hints that Obsidian was running out of time. I think to make it as professional as possible, she should make a re-apperance at the academy.

However, depends on the quality of the voiceovers. That and the fact that I like Vash, and I can't see her turning on the Exile, which does confuse the issue. Either way, I'm fine with.

See my objection to it, is a) we know Vash was meant to protests for the Exile, so why would Kreia kill her? b) It just, doesn't seem write to me that there would be 4 Jedi Masters at the rebuilt enclave and c) I think it makes Sion far more threatening if he kills Vash; as otherwise Nihilus gets all the glory for killing Jedi Masters.

This sounds good,especially with Vash's existing dialog when asking about Kaah to Vash she says "he was pulled to the darkside through his fear" so it would make sense ,if you let Kaah live, for him to be easily coherced by Sion since he believes Vash is already dead and he is already darksided.

The scene could start just apon exiting the main core Vash is already there with Sion and Kaah, Vash forces pushes them into the core tells the Exile to go She will handle them ,she enters the core locking the door behind her,you enter the EH then a cutscene takes place in the core. In which Sion wins.

FoolInTheWave I like jonathan7's idea. I also think it would be cool if you could fight Kaah and the Sith Assassins though. Sion could come from one way, and Kaah and the Sith Assassins the other way to block the Exlie and Vash from escaping. Vash then force pushes the Exlie through a door as jonathan7 said, but the Exile gets up to see Kaah and the Sith Assassins and then proceeds to fight them.

Again, just banding out ideas, but to pull both of your thoughts together; Perhaps after Vash force pushes the Exile through the door and stands guard; Sion could say something like 'I'll deal with her; you go after the last of the Jedi'. Then you could run into Kaah and a few Sith Assassins just before you get to the Ebon Hawk and have to fight through them before escaping?

FoolInTheWave
07-04-2008, 06:42 PM
Again, just banding out ideas, but to pull both of your thoughts together; Perhaps after Vash force pushes the Exile through the door and stands guard; Sion could say something like 'I'll deal with her; you go after the last of the Jedi'. Then you could run into Kaah and a few Sith Assassins just before you get to the Ebon Hawk and have to fight through them before escaping?

Sounds good to me. :)