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MajinMikeyX
08-22-2008, 04:15 AM
I think Atton is better because I mean, he's killed many Jedi in the Mandalorian Wars(was it mandalorian wars? haven't played KotOR 2 in 2 years)
What did Han Solo do? Sure he's awesome and very skilled, but Atton is just that much more skilled.

Tell me your guy's opinions!

Great Scott!
08-22-2008, 04:16 AM
Han Solo, because of his evolution from scoundrel to hero, not to mention his reputation of being the scoundrel!

MajinMikeyX
08-22-2008, 04:30 AM
Han Solo, because of his evolution from scoundrel to hero, not to mention his reputation of being the scoundrel!

You have a really good point there, I was thinking of combat skill alone, not too much of their character, the 2 start out as their cocky, arrogant selves, but Han is the only one I can say evolves as a character from scoundrel to hero, while Atton does get better, but he does keep that scoundrel side of him.

Great Scott!
08-22-2008, 04:44 AM
I guess considering their scoundrel sides alone is debatable, however, as a character, I like Han Solo way better.

Astor
08-22-2008, 09:33 AM
Oh come on, it's hardly fair is it?

One's a rugged, handsome, scruffy-looking rogue, while the other relies on one-liners and only ever wants to play pazaak.

It's an unfair comparison; every right-minded guy wants to be Han Solo.

Burnseyy
08-22-2008, 09:53 AM
Han-Solo, no competition.

Atton just annoyed me. Except for his sarcasm. But that got boring after the 20th play through.

Besides Han Solo was great. ;)

I'm tempted to watch the original trilogy now...

ChAiNz.2da
08-22-2008, 11:40 AM
No contest. Solo == win.

mimartin
08-22-2008, 12:33 PM
Solo FTW.

No contest. Solo == win.
It is because the contest is rigged. Where is Lando Calrissian? Even Han’s would have trouble dealing with the smoothness that is Lando Calrissian. Billie D Williams is smoother than an ice cold bottle of colt 45. I sense fear kept Lando from being included.

So where is Mission Vao name on the Poll? I’m not positive, but I believe she would have at least managed one vote. I don’t believe RedHawke would allow Mission to be shut out even if his preference was Solo.

Astor
08-22-2008, 12:37 PM
Billie D Williams is smoother than an ice cold bottle of colt 45.

Come on, people, come over to the cool side of the pillow. :lol:

In fact, I agree is a great character, and he was a highlight in the LoTF books, along with the Luurrve Commander (Lando's words, not mine).

But he still doesn't beat the cocky Corellian with bloodstripes.

mimartin
08-22-2008, 01:10 PM
But he still doesn't beat the cocky Corellian with bloodstripes.I知 not saying either is better than Solo, I知 saying either is better than Atton. :D

Astor
08-22-2008, 01:14 PM
I知 not saying either is better than Solo, I知 saying either is better than Atton. :D

Oh, most definately. The problem with Atton is that they tried too hard to make him like Han Solo, and that's the problem. They took it too far, and forgot to even give him a personality other than cheap tribute act.

There can only be one Han Solo.

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-22-2008, 02:55 PM
Solo FTW.
So where is Mission Vao name on the Poll? I知 not positive, but I believe she would have at least managed one vote. I don稚 believe RedHawke would allow Mission to be shut out even if his preference was Solo.

Make that two. She would have got my heavily biased vote, just cause she is my favorite character from thte game.

I guess Han Solo gets my vote, as he is the original scoundrel. Though, if Lando were in this poll I admit I would have voted for him. Using his scoundrel skills to make a business on Bespin - now thats impressive. Not to mention Billie D. Williams. :D

@Astor_Kaine: quite true, they tried too hard with him. That was probably why he was originally cut from the game. I'm not saying Atton didn't have a few funny moments, but they got real old real quick. That and his pazaak addiction...got a few issues to work out there.

Solo FTW!

~HOP

JCarter426
08-22-2008, 03:08 PM
Atton really isn't a scoundrel. He's more like a wise-cracking, pazaak-playing, Sith assassin turned pilot who spends so much time lying to everyone else that he doesn't even know who he is anymore.

Darth_Yuthura
08-22-2008, 03:23 PM
My vote... if she were on the list... Mission Vao.

Although Solo beats Rand in almost every way, I really like the Twi'lek better than the two on the list. Although Han is amusing and a 'realistic' type of guy, I really like the street rat who's skills and talent extend to the point of rivaling a force-sensitive's abilities.

Han, more or less, is a fighter. Mission is clever for her age and is much more impressive as a survivor who gets by without a ship and without the means to blast her way out of every situation. Although she treat Big Z like a doorman, I like her cheerful spirit above the cockyness of Solo or the thoughtlessness of Rand.

Corinthian
08-22-2008, 03:34 PM
Let me see...Carth the Second, only whinier with an even more tragic backstory, or Han Solo, the second manliest man in the Galaxy, with a quick-draw and the fastest freighter in the galaxy despite the dilapidated appearance...gee. That's a bloody tough one.

MajinMikeyX
08-22-2008, 04:45 PM
I think as a fighter, Atton(as he explained) would be better off since he's killed lots of jedi, but overall character would of course be Han Solo. This answer regarding Solo was obvious and I didn't even need to put that down until now. But I am very surprised for the number of Mission Vao fans out there... you guys may like her, but I thought she was too annoying, and wouldn't shut up about being mature for her age, I myself liked Canderous and Jolee. T3 can go die, he didn't do anything useful after he unlocked the sith base

EDIT: 'as he explained' I meant what he tells you in his stories, and from that info, he sounds pretty bad*** for a regular person to murder jedi

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-22-2008, 05:31 PM
Well, if you listen to Atton's story, he does not just run upnd start killing jedi. He poinsons them, gases them, and guns down their allies. Hhe realized that you can't expect to beat a jedi with a blaster. That is his great strength I think.

Yeah, Mission does have a rather large following. (of which I am a part of) I mean, she is pretty mature for 14. To be able to survive in the Lower City of Taris for as long as she did, you have to be mature.

~HOP

MajinMikeyX
08-23-2008, 02:41 AM
Yeah, Mission does have a rather large following. (of which I am a part of) I mean, she is pretty mature for 14. To be able to survive in the Lower City of Taris for as long as she did, you have to be mature.


To me, yeah, she knows how to get by pretty good,(with assistance from her muscle-Zaalbar) But she's pretty childish, 1 crack and she gets all worked up about it.
I don't mean she's bad by all of this I'm saying, it's just I like the other characters alot more(except T3 and Juhani-they suck)

Sabretooth
08-23-2008, 10:17 AM
Can't touch Solo. ;)

SW01
08-23-2008, 11:30 AM
Solo, without doubt. Rand may have killed a few Jedi, but then again so did a droid! What did Solo do? Escaped from the first Death Star; aided in the assault on the first Death Star (blew up TIEs saving Skywalker's behind and letting him take the shot); evaded capture by an Imperial fleet; led an assault on an Imperial base on Endor...and that's just the movies!

I agree, though, that Calrisian could give Solo a good run for his money, but they both just leave Atton in the dust!

Darth_Yuthura
08-23-2008, 11:43 AM
But I am very surprised for the number of Mission Vao fans out there... you guys may like her, but I thought she was too annoying, and wouldn't shut up about being mature for her age, I myself liked Canderous and Jolee.

I found that she wasn't annoying. She WAS very mature for her age. Despite being a pest, she was wise for her age. Her age attitude only extended when she was regarded as a kid... not unless she's addressed as such.

The difference between Han and Atton also gets to the issue that Rand becomes a jedi, but Han is not force sensitive. I would assume that Atton was not a scoundrel for most of his life. More like he was a drifter while Solo had a life planned to come out on top.

Mission and Solo were more alike because they don't become jedi.

Corinthian
08-23-2008, 12:07 PM
Lando could never take Han in a fight, but Lando could frankly con Atton and Han both out of their ships and be gone before they even realized that Lando wasn't going to follow through.

I disliked Mission for a lot of reasons. One, she reminded me of Wesley Crusher. Two, I was irritated about having a child on what was effectively a military warship doing highly dangerous covert operations to save the Republic. Three, her voice grated. Four, I'm not overly fond of Twi'leks anyway. And five, SHUT UP AND STOP WHINING.

Han Solo may not be a Jedi, but he's certainly accomplished a lot more than Atton.

Astor
08-23-2008, 12:18 PM
The difference between Han and Atton also gets to the issue that Rand becomes a jedi, but Han is not force sensitive.

Since when is not being force-sensitive a problem?

More like he was a drifter while Solo had a life planned to come out on top.

Uh no, he didn't plan his life out. He started out as a street child, similar to Mission. He was crew on a freighter as teenager.

He then joined the Imperial Military Academy. Lieutenant Solo was expected to be top of his class, and a future hero of the Empire. But one day, he saw a Wookiee being mistreated and stood up for him. His standing up for him resulted in him being expelled and stripped of rank.

He then drifted from job to job, until he won a ship in a Sabaac game, and got hired by an old fool, a farm boy and two funny looking droids to go to Alderaan. The rest, as they say, is history.

Burnseyy
08-23-2008, 02:59 PM
Even if Mission were on the list... I'd go with Han Solo.

Forgive me, Mission. :D

MajinMikeyX
08-23-2008, 07:06 PM
I disliked Mission for a lot of reasons. One, she reminded me of Wesley Crusher. Two, I was irritated about having a child on what was effectively a military warship doing highly dangerous covert operations to save the Republic. Three, her voice grated. Four, I'm not overly fond of Twi'leks anyway. And five, SHUT UP AND STOP WHINING.


FINALLY, someone else understands

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-24-2008, 02:25 AM
Lando could never take Han in a fight, but Lando could frankly con Atton and Han both out of their ships and be gone before they even realized that Lando wasn't going to follow through.

I disliked Mission for a lot of reasons. One, she reminded me of Wesley Crusher. Two, I was irritated about having a child on what was effectively a military warship doing highly dangerous covert operations to save the Republic. Three, her voice grated. Four, I'm not overly fond of Twi'leks anyway. And five, SHUT UP AND STOP WHINING.

Yeah, Lando definitly is the smoothest, trickiest of the bunch. I totally agree with that point. Thats why he may have had my vote, had he been one of the choices.

Wesley Crusher? :confused: I honestly don't see it. You do mean the one from Star Trek the Next Generation, right? She reminds me of Hayden Penetiere (sp?) than anything else. I understand where you are coming from, even if I don't agree with it. I found it cool that there was a younger person on the crew. True she may not have the most war experience or maturity, but her street smarts are something that most of the other party members lacked. (Yes I mean you Bastila) She did whine a bit, but not nearly as much as Bastila...or Carth...or Juhani...and certainly does not complain as much as Jolee (though I like the old coot :D). Basically Candy and the Droids are left. :xp:

I can see where she would annoy some people I suppose...but in the area of scoundrel...aiding Revan gets her some cool points even if she is no where near Han or Lando. IMHO

@Burnseyy: I'm sure she will forgive you. :D

~HOP

Rev7
08-25-2008, 04:25 PM
Why are you even asking this question?


Solo=win :carms:

'nuff said.

DarthAve
08-25-2008, 04:27 PM
Solo

I mean, Atton is the coolest of the non canon video game guys IMHO, but nobody can touch Han.

That's kinda like asking "OMG Leia or Talia, who's the better princess??"

Corinthian
08-25-2008, 04:31 PM
Fourteen year old operating as a major spoke in the crew of a military warship. That's enough like Wesley to get me annoyed. Add to that the fact that she's basically shoehorned onto the crew and seems desperate to prove that she's competent as an adult. The only difference is, she replaces Wesley's 'I know everything about star travel' with 'I know everything about the nitty-gritty criminal underbelly.' She was ludicrous.

HIGH ON PIE 14
08-25-2008, 04:47 PM
Well she did know a lot about criminals seeing as she associated with them everyday on Taris. We have different opinions so I'm not going to argue with you. I didn't find her nearly as annoying as Wesley Crusher though...anyway, this is pointless as we both agree that both Han and Lando are better scoudrels then Mission. She still beats Atton IMO.

Solo ftw!

~HOP

MajinMikeyX
08-25-2008, 06:10 PM
Solo

I mean, Atton is the coolest of the non canon video game guys IMHO, but nobody can touch Han.


Non-Canon..? I am pretty sure the KotOR series IS canon...

DarthAve
08-25-2008, 07:54 PM
Non-Canon..? I am pretty sure the KotOR series IS canon...

Yeah, well only some aspects are canon, so in my view, the game isn't 100% canon to me. So I know some of the characters and events exist in the main history, like Revan and The Exile, but the rest I sort of dismiss for lack of impact. At most, I view the KOTOR games as Semi-canon.

Zerimar Nyliram
08-25-2008, 08:18 PM
Han, of course. Atton's a pansy.

Da_Man_2423
08-25-2008, 08:48 PM
Han, of course. Atton's a pansy.

Pansies can't kill Jedi.

Burnseyy
08-25-2008, 11:12 PM
Pansies can't kill Jedi.

No, but Jedi can.

But that doesn't rule out that Atton's lame. ;)

Darth_Yuthura
08-31-2008, 11:10 PM
Atton has always been claimed to be a fool, but Solo had really made something of himself in the end. It's Solo all the way!

He started out as a smuggler and bandit, but Solo became a great character that you could respect.

Yar-El
09-06-2008, 07:25 PM
:bow: Solo is the man.
:bow: Lando comes in second.

Endorenna
09-18-2008, 01:42 AM
YOU DIDN'T LIKE WES!!!!!!! (horrified gasp)
Okay, okay, I'll admit he had his annoying moments (aka The Naked Now, The First Duty and Journey's End), but he wasn't nearly as bad as his mom! Or Geordi, for that matter! Wesley improved greatly once he got rid of that stupid sweater. Oh, well, maybe it's just me...I also happen to like Mission Vao. :D

Ah! I'm off-topic again! Anyway, I really, really detested Atton at first, 'cuz I was a female Exile and he kept making (cough) 'comments' about the fact I was running around in a bathing suit...but it was funny when I found the clothes. :lol: He grew on me after Disciple came along and I saw that the only other guy in the game I could for was some blonde kid who'd believe that the sky was pink and purple polka-dots if the Exile told him so. Atton continued to go down the slippery slope of influence loss once the only options left were "Let's play pazaak," and "Care for a game of pazaak, Republic Senate rules?".

Han never gets old. And he knows how to sweet-talk a princess (unlike another scoundrel and I'm sure we all know who I'm referring to). His only problem is that he runs around with a walking carpet. :lol:

mattig89ch
09-18-2008, 03:37 PM
idk. Atton was smart enough to figure out how to kill Jedi, but Han never had to figure that out...its a tough call.

Endorenna
09-19-2008, 02:08 PM
That's 'cause his brother-in-law (and probably his wife) was a Jedi. ;)

Blix
09-19-2008, 06:44 PM
Han Solo; he's the original scoundrel - he set the template for the EW and prequel era smugglers/scoundrels.

knight 12167
09-26-2008, 07:17 AM
Hi guys this is my first post so if i stuff up be merciful

Personaly i think Han Solo is the best because of his eveloution from scoundrel to hero plus he has seen more combat than Atton.

bally3000
09-27-2008, 07:12 PM
HAN SOLO =] lol

Atton gets to be a jedi but he is boring to tlk to after a while lol

but han solo is sooooo cool lol =]

luckyariot
09-29-2008, 12:21 PM
I guess that Han Solo is the original scoundrel, so he wins this. :D

Besides, Atton is a bit too complex to only classify as a scoundrel, considering his past and the possibility that he's faking his personality. (At one point he says that he doesn't even know whether its an act or not :eyeraise:) Woah. Thats messed-up.