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Agent_Katarn00
09-01-2008, 06:50 PM
Does anybody know what species nihilus is?
Or what is under his mask?
I either wonder if there is thoughts of what he might be or fan art of what you think is under his mask.
I personally think it would be cool if he was general grevious' species.
Post any thoughts.:D

Astor
09-01-2008, 06:55 PM
Or what is under his mask?

We're told what is under his mask - 'Just a man', in the words of Visas.

As to his species, Human, i'd say, as they are often capable of great greed, such as Nihilus' for life.

Rev7
09-01-2008, 06:57 PM
He is/was a man, and there was a face behind the mask. ;)

Agent_Katarn00
09-01-2008, 07:21 PM
We're told what is under his mask - 'Just a man', in the words of Visas.

As to his species, Human, i'd say, as they are often capable of great greed,
such as Nihilus' for life.
I know what she said but a man is a gender or sex.
I don't want a answer that does not make any sense i'm just wondering what would you like nihilus to look like.
Like some weird space creature a new species with images of what you are talking about.;)

TriggerGod
09-01-2008, 07:26 PM
I'm gonna stick with the Exile-Nihilus theory. Nihilus is the opposite of the 'canon' exile. The Exile is Lightside Female, while Nihilus is Darkside Male (but, not reversed for if your a male.).
So, imagine either a really tough looking guy in the Darkside, or a really girly looking guy <_<

Giant Graffiti
09-01-2008, 07:38 PM
Supposing action figures are canon, (http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5964/nihilus2ry0.jpg) there are dreadlocks. (http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1294/nihilus1dm5.jpg)

90SK
09-01-2008, 07:42 PM
Supposing action figures are canon, (http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5964/nihilus2ry0.jpg) there are dreadlocks. (http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1294/nihilus1dm5.jpg)

lol where'd you get that?

Rev7
09-01-2008, 07:45 PM
Supposing action figures are canon, (http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5964/nihilus2ry0.jpg) there are dreadlocks. (http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1294/nihilus1dm5.jpg)
lol, what?

He is obviously a male, dude. ;)

Silveredge9
09-01-2008, 07:47 PM
I'm gonna stick with the Exile-Nihilus theory. Nihilus is the opposite of the 'canon' exile. The Exile is Lightside Female, while Nihilus is Darkside Male (but, not reversed for if your a male.).
So, imagine either a really tough looking guy in the Darkside, or a really girly looking guy <_<
Nihilus is opposite to the Exile in a sense that they were presented the same choice, yet chose opposite paths - Which itself should have no bearing on the gender, appearance or age of Nihilus whilst he actually had an idenitity.

Anyways, I recently bought the KOTOR campaign guide - And it contains a pretty neat tidbit of information that offers some hints about his origins;

"Victim of the Mandalorian Wars, the man who became Nihilus lost everything; his possessions, his loved ones, and the will to live."

Corinthian
09-01-2008, 08:16 PM
I find the concept of Nihilus being a metaphysical representation of the Exile's Sins or something along those lines to be fairly ludicrous. Sion and Traya were both flesh and blood, Sion's Wolverine-like regeneration capabilities notwithstanding. I see no reason to believe that Nihilus is a ghost or some kind of figment.

Agent_Katarn00
09-01-2008, 08:24 PM
I think the nihilus is some weird immortal keldor-type thing.
It would be cool if the creators put more into nihilus' story in later books or media...

Inyri
09-01-2008, 08:25 PM
I think the nihilus is...immortalObviously not, since you kill him in the game. :)

Miltiades
09-01-2008, 08:30 PM
That same Campaign Guide confirms that Nihilus is Human. It says "Human (Dark Side Aberration)" when describing his species.

Corinthian
09-01-2008, 08:35 PM
Incidentally, I really hate that the Dark Side somehow mutates your body, especially since it seems to do it at about light speed. Case in point, KotoR. You do a few evil things, and you look like a Wight.

Silveredge9
09-01-2008, 08:48 PM
Apart from his original identity, I think Nihilus has already been adequately explained in the game itself. Nihilus isn't a ghost, he's a man who like the Exile was turned into a walking Wound in the Force at the Battle of Malachor V and was subsequently consumed by his urge to feed that wound through draining Force Sensitives.

Zerimar Nyliram
09-01-2008, 10:20 PM
I'm sure the comic series will show us who will become Darth Nihilus eventually.

JCarter426
09-01-2008, 11:33 PM
We're told what is under his mask - 'Just a man', in the words of Visas.
She was probably just speaking metaphorically, especially since she says he's an oncoming storm (ok, she definitely doesn't say that, but something like that :p) if her alignment is DS. And after all, this is Visas we're talking about; she never says anything literal, always is mumbling about echoes and the Force and her "feelings".

I'm sure the comic series will show us who will become Darth Nihilus eventually.
I hope not. :( It better not be Zayne, you hear?! :p

But anyway, if you check some of the concept/promotional art, there's a face. It's very...dark, as if his face has been all burned up. Looks human. After all, Nihilus was probably just a Jedi who fought at Malachor, and all Jedi in K2 are human ('cept Bao-Dur and the near-human Visas).

Corinthian
09-01-2008, 11:37 PM
Yeah, that is a little odd. There's a very high ratio of Humans to Aliens in TSL. 10:1 or so? More Droids than Aliens.

Astor
09-02-2008, 04:25 AM
I know what she said but a man is a gender or sex.
I don't want a answer that does not make any sense i'm just wondering what would you like nihilus to look like.
Like some weird space creature a new species with images of what you are talking about.;)


How does my answer not make sense? You asked the question 'what species is he? and what's under the mask?', and I gave you an answer.

It's stated several times he's a human, and that he's a male, so it makes sense that a man will be underneath the mask.

Anyways, I recently bought the KOTOR campaign guide

How's the book working for you, Silver? I think it's great. :)

Ztalker
09-02-2008, 05:24 AM
Maybe a bit out of order, but the Kotor comics will shortly start a story arc that turns some people into Dark Siders. Why it's interesting?
This is the first victim to fall to the Dark Side in this arc:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/b/b6/SWKOTOR33.jpg/200px-SWKOTOR33.jpg

A possible Sion.
And guess what? His best friend/padawan, Lucien Draay (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lucien_Draay), has lost everything at this point. His position as a Jedi Master, he's accused (rightfully) of murder....and he has a mother called Krynda (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Krynda_Draay). All three Sith Lords could originate from these 3....Sion, Nihilus, Kreia...

PS: They're part of a secret covenant who plans to hunt down all Sith, going as far as killing their own padawans. Sounds Dark Sidish to you?

Astor
09-02-2008, 05:30 AM
That's a very interesting theory, Z.

I haven't read any of the comics, but reading about the characters you mention on Wookieepedia, they do seem to have attitudes mirroring each of the Triumvirate.

And from the game, the things the Master says about Kreia may point to the direction you're hinting at too.

Giant Graffiti
09-02-2008, 08:44 AM
But anyway, if you check some of the concept/promotional art, there's a face. It's very...dark, as if his face has been all burned up.
Actually, you can see that in-game, but I always assumed it was body-glove. :xp: (One of the reasons why I thought that was because of this (http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5580/atrisnihilus2mx0.jpg))

He is obviously a male, dude. ;)
I don't understand what you mean.

Silveredge9
09-02-2008, 09:45 AM
Maybe a bit out of order, but the Kotor comics will shortly start a story arc that turns some people into Dark Siders. Why it's interesting?
This is the first victim to fall to the Dark Side in this arc:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/b/b6/SWKOTOR33.jpg/200px-SWKOTOR33.jpg

A possible Sion.
And guess what? His best friend/padawan, Lucien Draay (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lucien_Draay), has lost everything at this point. His position as a Jedi Master, he's accused (rightfully) of murder....and he has a mother called Krynda (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Krynda_Draay). All three Sith Lords could originate from these 3....Sion, Nihilus, Kreia...

PS: They're part of a secret covenant who plans to hunt down all Sith, going as far as killing their own padawans. Sounds Dark Sidish to you?
I don't see why people believe Haazen could be Sion, it really makes no sense to me at all.

- Hazzen and Sion have completely different personalities.
- Hazzen has a prosthetic right arm and eye, whereas Sion does not.

Those points alone should squash that theory. :P

adamqd
09-02-2008, 10:34 AM
- Hazzen and Sion have completely different personalities.
- Hazzen has a prosthetic right arm and eye, whereas Sion does not.

Those points alone should squash that theory. :P

Sion does have his right arm covered up and a dead eye, Haazan's right arm and eye could be artistic representation of that, and he could quite plausibly become sion IMO, but I think we should tackle the beginnings of K1 and it's characters before we assign TSL's band of idiots to print.

Topic: well we kinda Know Nihilus is humanoid, his black skin could be due to him being.. er... Black, or indeed a Dark side interpretation of himself. I have the figure and he has dreadlocks lol

Astor
09-02-2008, 11:13 AM
I have the figure and he has dreadlocks lol

Then maybe, Quinlan Vos travels back in time to be an 'uber l33t Sith Lrod?' :lol:

And if anyone takes that suggestion seriously I'll kill myself.

Ctrl Alt Del
09-02-2008, 12:23 PM
Well, I don't see him as much more than a human. Check his build and the shape of his mask, which gives us a nice idea of how his face is. Looks human to me.


- Hazzen and Sion have completely different personalities.


Indeed. I can't imagine Haazen turning to a subservient Sith Lord. Methinks the comics intetionally did so that these characters remembered the triuvirate as a feint to divert the readers attention.

Ztalker
09-03-2008, 05:28 AM
Why isn't the arm attached OVER the stump? This is Old Republic technology..maybe they couldn't attach it directly to the stump? Remember, Haazen got his wounds in the Great With war...which goes even further back.

It's just that the mass collection of possible evidence is...strange. We don't know what happened with Sions eye...maybe he put someone else's in his own socket after his artificial one was destroyed?

And for change of behaviour...Malak and Revan changed. Nihilis wasn't norn as a destroyer of worlds...I think tragedy or other stuff can change people :)

luckyariot
09-03-2008, 06:49 AM
Nihilus is opposite to the Exile in a sense that they were presented the same choice, yet chose opposite paths - Which itself should have no bearing on the gender, appearance or age of Nihilus whilst he actually had an idenitity.

I agree here. The Exile-Nihilus theory is a good one, but I really doubt it has anything at all to do with how Nihilus's old life was (appearence, etc.) :xp:
A possible Sion. And guess what? His best friend/padawan, Lucien Draay, has lost everything at this point. His position as a Jedi Master, he's accused (rightfully) of murder....and he has a mother called Krynda. All three Sith Lords could originate from these 3....Sion, Nihilus, Kreia...

Although I think Krynda may be Kreia/Traya, I don't think that Haazen becomes Sion. The prosthetics don't help him here. Really, Lucien Draay looks like he's heading in that direction in the comics (:loco:, and he's more likely to be subervient to someone in personality). Just think about the conversation with Sion to a male Exile about the "favorite son" thing. Creeeeppppyyyy... but interesting.
I hope not. It better not be Zayne, you hear?!

Amen! I kinda like Zayne; he's just a kid in over his head. It would be horrible for him to end up as Nihilus... :(

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
09-26-2008, 03:37 AM
i reckon hes human.
remember one of the possible response in her conversation with him was
"still human enough to feel betrayal?" (concerning visas)

and, if you really increase the brightness of your monitor + the brightness of the game to a degree, nihilus has quite a humanly shaped head behind the mask. and, there was a cut menu in the game featuring the twin suns with nihilus and and gawking cannok. that wouldnt work if he wasnt a human/close to human!:lol:
get the hilarious mod here:
http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/file/Main_Menu_Nihilus_Restoration;79400

Corinthian
09-26-2008, 04:32 AM
I figure Nihilus has to be at the very least, a Near-Human race. Miraluka would be a delicious irony.

Endorenna
09-26-2008, 05:54 AM
I found this interesting. :)

Be warned, if you read the comics, this is probably a major spoiler.

Eventually Nihilus became so absorbed by the Dark side of the Force that his physical body began erode. Knowing he would die if he did not act soon, Nihilus ripped his spirit from his body and encased it in the armor he wore. Allowing the dark side to consume him, as his body dissolved completely. Using the force he was able to keep his robes, armor and mask held together giving him some form, allowing him to use his force powers and wield a lightsaber, but apart from that he had no physical form.

adamqd
09-26-2008, 06:28 AM
^^^

I hope not, I dont wanna see the 'triumvirate' at all in the comics! just that small explanation of nihilus sums up how out of place these characters are in SW.

TKA-001
09-26-2008, 09:58 AM
I found this interesting.

Be warned, if you read the comics, this is probably a major spoiler.

http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-words.gif
http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-barf.gif

Yar-El
09-26-2008, 03:58 PM
Star Wars - Knights of the Old Republic - Campaign Guide
Victim of the Mandalorian Wars, the man who became Nihilis lost everything: his possessions, his loved ones, and the will to live. While illness cannibalizes his body, a vast emptiness devours his humanity. Then, when all seems lost, he discovers that this emptyness hungered. The first time, he fed it unconsciously. Draining another being's life is frightening, nauseating, but for a euphoric moment, the memories, the illness, and the hunger disappeared. (Hey! Soul Eater from Nverwinter 2: Mask Of Betrayer)
There is more to the story, but I just cut it down for simplicity.

Giant Graffiti
09-26-2008, 04:07 PM
Be warned, if you haven't read the comics, this is probably a major spoiler.
What comics? I certainly don't remember that happening in the KotOR comics.

EDIT: Just looked it up. It's from Legacy comics.

Endorenna
09-26-2008, 05:13 PM
^
That's from Wookieepedia. I don't read the comics, so I put it in a spoiler tag in case someone who did didn't want to know. :) Thanks for putting that other part in, Yar-el! :D

GeneralPloKoon
09-26-2008, 06:39 PM
Silly Nihlus and his human male-ness.

Yar-El
09-27-2008, 08:49 PM
^
That's from Wookieepedia. I don't read the comics, so I put it in a spoiler tag in case someone who did didn't want to know. :) Thanks for putting that other part in, Yar-el! :D :) Anytime Endorenna. :D I would have added more information, but it only repeats what people experienced in The SIth Lords.

Corinthian
09-28-2008, 07:42 AM
No, his name is not Nihlus. Nihlus is a Turian Spectre.

Ztalker
09-28-2008, 07:45 AM
No, his name is not Nihlus. Nihlus is a Turian Spectre.

Nihlus=Nihilus. It all makes sense now! :rolleyes:

Corinthian
09-28-2008, 07:52 AM
So, after Saren blows Nihlus' head off, he uses biotics to encase himself in his body armor and then modifies a Mass Relay to fling him 1.2 million light years?

Darth Avlectus
09-29-2008, 09:05 PM
Maybe a bit out of order, but the Kotor comics will shortly start a story arc that turns some people into Dark Siders. Why it's interesting?
This is the first victim to fall to the Dark Side in this arc:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/b/b6/SWKOTOR33.jpg/200px-SWKOTOR33.jpg

A possible Sion.
And guess what? His best friend/padawan, Lucien Draay (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lucien_Draay), has lost everything at this point. His position as a Jedi Master, he's accused (rightfully) of murder....and he has a mother called Krynda (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Krynda_Draay). All three Sith Lords could originate from these 3....Sion, Nihilus, Kreia...

PS: They're part of a secret covenant who plans to hunt down all Sith, going as far as killing their own padawans. Sounds Dark Sidish to you?

Yes it sounds dark side.

Possible spoiler:
This month's comic talked abnout the prophecy of the five.
possible Spoiler end

These two...malak...revan...traya... Gee. I wonder. :)
A little deductive reasoning...

As for the pic...
No, actually I have been following the comics for awhile...this guy (ex jedi master Haazen) is suspected nihilus. The plot has been heading in this direction for awhile.
Besides, I have a sneaking suspicion that skull he's holding is going to become some kind of mask. Don't you?
It's not sion.

Why am I so bold as to say that?
Suspect sion is Lucien Draay.
Here is a pic:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:SWKOTOR35_art.jpg
Looks a lot more like sion to me. Don't you think so???
Look up more pics of Lucien Draay and place that zombie ish look of sion on the face...then compare it to Haazen's. Sure Haazen has the eye deal, but notice the arm of haazen is ALL mechanical? Sion's rotted right arm was still there--or at least the upper part of it that wasn't covered by the glove. If Haazen has a mechanical eye anyway, the eye is gone. Though the original eye could still be in the socket, but I doubt it.

Sion's right eye in the messed up region of his face didn't look at all mechanical--looked like normal tissue damaged.


FYI
In previously released comics the two have been working together like business partners.
(hint) Draay found "some relic on malachor V with power that seems to have this growing hunger"
(hint hint) Haazen responded on the order of: Ahh! Seek out this relic and bring it to me!--the jedi must not know. All subsequent appearnces he seems to be getting more and more shadowy. Coincidence? I think NOT!
(hint hint hint) Draay has sort of followed in haazen's lead...
(hint hint hint hint) Haazen is always sort of asking, demanding, or taking things from Draay...greedier as time passes.

that last one Correlates especially because Sion and Nihilus who have an alliance and fragile one at that... "I have never needed you"

and as we see, breaks apart in the popular Sion VS Nihilus viodeo on youtube... Nihilus always sort of assumed himself the lead--look at his body language around sion.



Other hints:
Haazen is taller than master Draay...
Darth Nihilus is taller than Darth Sion...

Lucien Draay is a scion (heir) of a tremendous fortune.
sion is a variation of scion but pronounced the same way which means heir.
Sion was going to inherit the trayus academy from traya...

I think I've made my case.

BTW it looks like the lightsaber hilt has been done in fanservice of the authors of ultimate saber mod. ;)

Endorenna
09-30-2008, 12:39 AM
I'd say the above is a distinct possibility, from what I've read and heard about the comics. What Haazen looks like on the outside (aka mechanical arm, bad eye) doesn't matter. Look at my first post on the previous page and you'll know why. :D

luckyariot
09-30-2008, 09:55 AM
Oh! Good news everyone! I have found Nihilus's true identity!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_74FXj4zoc

Check out 0:00-0:37. :xp: