PDA

View Full Version : What do you think of Atris?


JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
09-27-2008, 06:18 AM
I just did a search and didnt find this, which is quite suprising :P
so i thought id make it myself.

This is a poll on what you think of Jedi Matser Atris from k2 (if you by some chance didnt know).
I've heard some opinions, but it would be interesting to see the stats.
Do you hate her, or love her?
Couldnt care less? State your opininon! :thmbup1:

This thread's icon seems to suit Atris, yes? :D

I chose option 6

TKA-001
09-27-2008, 09:48 AM
We already know how this is going to go, and the "Which Council Member" thread had plenty of room for Atris discussion anyway.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
09-28-2008, 01:43 AM
yeeees well, as i said, i want to see stats.
and 'which council member' was about all the council members. this is to express passion or indifference on only Atris. So if some member just has to let their opinion on atris known, they can post here. And besides, i want to give the people who actually love atris a chance.

luckyariot
09-29-2008, 11:14 AM
My opinion isn't up there. :xp: I think she is an interesting character, especially compared to the other Masters, but that doesn't mean I like her. :)

I only wish we knew more about her relationship with the Exile (male and female) and why she is so hypocritically absolute when it comes to the Jedi Code.

Endorenna
09-29-2008, 03:42 PM
I hate her guts!!!!! Option 7, no contest!

(She's so much fun to hate. :xp:)

Zerimar Nyliram
09-29-2008, 04:02 PM
I voted for "Couldn't care less." She was pretty dull and boring, but she wasn't terrible.

Ctrl Alt Del
09-29-2008, 07:03 PM
Firstly, she was designed for the player to despiese her, hate her. At first sight, she seems pretty much like Vrook - as you meet her before the old wrinkled master, you're even led to think she's there to antagonize the player as Vrook did before. Then, her character is slowly developed (especially if you've got Brianna on your party) to something more shady than the picture of a zealous Jedi we paint of her.

It's interesting to see her students, all blind to the Force but a strong wall against it at the same time. It's equally fun to see her turned to the dark side she promised to fight, and see the old woman crumble slowly.

Overrall, it's a somewhat rich character so no, I don't really hate her, she already has enough hate to immerse herself in.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
09-30-2008, 04:30 AM
My opinion isn't up there. I think she is an interesting character, especially compared to the other Masters, but that doesn't mean I like her.

funny, cause the reason behind option 3 is that! :D
its taken as. "atris? yeah. shes cool.:shads2:"(shes ok) not "wow atris? i like her! shes cool!"

I hate her guts!!!!! Option 7, no contest!

(She's so much fun to hate. )

yeah what i want to do to her is overwhelm her mind with exile's obviously stronger powers and make her act like a gammorean. :rofl:
but what i REALLY want to do in game is give her a paddywhack and grab exile's ligthsaber back!! that just makes me so mad!! :firemad:
has someone made a mod for that? cause i would LOVE it!!

It's interesting to see her students, all blind to the Force but a strong wall against it at the same time.
i find them annoying too. they seem to have inherited her snotnosed point of view and are so obnoxious. i loved kicking their sorry buts in their precious battle!
i havnt played male yet. and what i saw of brianna makes me think i she might be a much more likeable character than the rest of em.

HIGH ON PIE 14
10-01-2008, 09:46 PM
The character was a good idea and she was more developed than half of the party members.

I still hate her stinking guts though. :D She's the woman you love to hate. She can rot with her holocrons for all I care. :¬:

@luckyariot: Me too. I would like to hear more about her past with the exile, if just for the sake of knowing. But exile is better off without her anyway.

~HOP

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
10-01-2008, 11:57 PM
@luckyariot: Me too. I would like to hear more about her past with the exile, if just for the sake of knowing. But exile is better off without her anyway

that would be pretty good. if perhaps there was a novel explaining it, it might make the first meeting with her more... epic? (cant think of the proper word. meh:raise:)

mattig89ch
10-02-2008, 08:24 AM
I wish you could've killed her in the beginning.

The Betrayer
10-02-2008, 08:44 AM
I would love to kill her, but that doesn't mean I don't like her story.

Miles Edgeworth
10-02-2008, 10:42 AM
I think that the best parts of her character were cut and that you should be able to romance her.

Endorenna
10-02-2008, 02:17 PM
Romance Atris?!?!?!?!?!

Gag me...

Sorry, there's just something wrong with romancing the Dark Side half-crazy librarian! :lol:

Ctrl Alt Del
10-02-2008, 02:29 PM
Sorry, there's just something wrong with romancing the Dark Side half-crazy librarian! :lol:
She isn't a librarian. Kreia was, apparently. ;)

Blix
10-02-2008, 04:56 PM
I can't say that I "loved" her in KOTOR 2, but her character was somewhat interesting. I guess I'd say she was "cool" if only for the fact that she was screaming darkside from the very beginning and seemed to deny it.

Endorenna
10-02-2008, 05:53 PM
She isn't a librarian. Kreia was, apparently. ;)

Sorry, my bad. :) I heard somewhere that Atris was the Head Archivist.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
10-03-2008, 02:27 AM
Announcement:
Join the LucasForums group of Atris haters!
http://www.lucasforums.com/group.php?groupid=63;)

Corinthian
10-03-2008, 03:56 AM
She's essentially what I like about Vrook - Essentially right, not willing to just forgive and forget, but at the same time, she's almost his Evil Twin. While Vrook's grumpiness conceals genuinely good intent, Atris' self-righteousness conceals genuine evil.

I wouldn't say I like her, but she's a good character.

Endorenna
10-03-2008, 07:52 AM
In other words, Vrook's counterpart.

No wonder I hate her so much! :lol:

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
10-06-2008, 03:54 AM
i remember checking out k2 years ago when it came out... in department store flyers and its website. i saw the pics of "that lady in white" in the promo stuff and the impression i got was "wow, she must be some sort of great jedi." must be the game's main character
try looking at k2's cover as a person who hasnt played/heard of it before.
what impression do you get of atris?

Endorenna
10-06-2008, 04:00 AM
"Ooo, look, that person in white must be me! Wow, she looks really cool!"

Not! :lol: I was SO miffed when I found out she was another pontificating idiot!

I was the same way with Bastilla on the cover of K1. When I picked out my first head, I was trying to pick out the one that looked the most like her! :lol:

You can probably figure out how well that went...

Corinthian
10-06-2008, 05:17 AM
I figured she'd be a significant Good character, probably a member of your party and Nihilus' primary enemy. Instead, her and Nihilus never meet. That whole advertising campaign made no sense, though.

Q
10-06-2008, 07:17 AM
She's one of the more interesting characters in TSL. I agree with the Corinthian that she is like a dark mirror-image of Vrook. I always thought that it was too bad that she couldn't join your party like the ad campaign/cover art implied.

All cover/movie poster artists should be hanged.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
10-06-2008, 05:19 PM
That whole advertising campaign made no sense, though.

i agree.
what were they thinking? was it cut out from the game?

about bastila: when i first saw her it was a shock. i expected her voice to be way different than what i heard. i expected an american accent or something.
(since in the OT all the imps were british and the rebels mostly american. AFAIK that was intentional.) but that was great voice acting on jennifer hale's part. i had played jedi academy quite a bit but i only realised it was her when i heard bastila's "ouch" lines. (in battle when she gets hit)

yeah, atris was designed to be hated. and i agree, she is a nicely made character. compared to some party members! i was kind of annoyed at the short backstories behind the party members.
compared to k1's having them as quests, k2's party members were'nt that fun in that aspect.
back to the cover: when i first saw it i had no idea what kotor was like and had no inkling to its story. but they did make atris look quite good (epic) on the cover. that is some nice artwork.
http://file041a.bebo.com/15/large/2008/10/06/21/7145852149a9077313136l.jpg
she looks pretty "kick-ass" (lol) in the concept artwork.(IMO better than in game!) i think there's a cut party portrait for her in the game. not sure.
(dial up people: dont worry about the pics. ive compressed these and they should be about 20-30kb each.)http://file041a.bebo.com/15/large/2008/10/06/21/7145852149a9077313243l.jpg

mattig89ch
10-07-2008, 02:31 PM
Like the last one (I saved it). This is just concept are right?

Arátoeldar
10-07-2008, 05:25 PM
but what i REALLY want to do in game is give her a paddywhack and grab exile's ligthsaber back!! that just makes me so mad!! :firemad:
has someone made a mod for that? cause i would LOVE it!!

http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/file/Get_Your_Lightsaber_Back_From_Atris;72493

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
10-07-2008, 07:36 PM
Like the last one (I saved it). This is just concept are right?
yep. official lucasarts concept art. heres some more (compressed as well)
http://file041a.bebo.com/15/large/2008/10/06/21/7145852149a9077313486l.jpg
http://file041a.bebo.com/15/large/2008/10/06/21/7145852149a9077312943l.jpg


http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filef...om_Atris;72493
*gasp!* THANK YOU!! :D :luagh6:

Bee Hoon
10-11-2008, 12:20 PM
Poor Atris doesn't get any lurve;p Don't get me wrong, she got on my nerves, but I think she was well-written, and one of the most tragic characters. She was in denial about her feelings for the exile (whether female or male--sisterly/romantic?) and I think that she really did want to follow the exile to war, but couldn't bring herself to. Plus the cutscene with Kreia and her was brilliant.

Ahem. Anyway, my :twocents: worth.

Ultimate Vader
10-11-2008, 12:42 PM
I think I'm the only insane mortal here to say that I like her. A lot. Well, personally I like woman with face like Atris. Looks cute when serious :). I like women with "sophisticated and wise" voice :).And Atris is a historian, not librarian. I was very sad when I knew that the canon TSL was female Exile, not male Exile. I think she is the hottest among girls in KOTOR 1 and 2 :D. Well, it's my opinion, anyway. But I always up for a debate about Atris :).

HIGH ON PIE 14
10-11-2008, 03:41 PM
Looks cute when serious :). I think she is the hottest among girls in KOTOR 1 and 2 :D. Well, it's my opinion, anyway. But I always up for a debate about Atris :).

Umm...:barf:

But in all seriousness, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I agree with Bee Hoon. Atris was a well written, overall good character. She was one of the more complex ones too. I just did not like her at all.

She looks cooler in the concept art then she ever does in the game. I thought, oh, she'll be the Bastila of K2...but no, she turned out to be an old fusspot. :¬:

~HOP

Burnseyy
10-11-2008, 04:03 PM
She looks cooler in the concept art then she ever does in the game. I thought, oh, she'll be the Bastila of K2...but no, she turned out to be an old fusspot. :¬:

~HOP

When I saw the concept art, I thought she'd be an awesome character. I even thought she'd be part of the crew, but no. No. She turned out to be possibly the most annoying character in the whole game!

Yeah her character was done well, but we all have our favourites and least favourites. ;)

I guess she was important to the game, but that doesn't change my mind about how annoying she was lol.

Revan 411
10-11-2008, 04:07 PM
She looks cooler in the concept art then she ever does in the game. I thought, oh, she'll be the Bastila of K2...but no, she turned out to be an old fusspot. :¬:


I don't judge characters from Concept Arts. I judge them by how well written they are and how complex they are. And I like Atris. I don't love her, but I think she's a good character.

She is very well written, and very complex next to The Exile and Kriea. I think they succeed with Atris. With her past with the Exile, and her ties to the Dark Side.

I voted ''She's cool.'' option.

Endorenna
10-11-2008, 04:38 PM
I agree that she's very well written. I just don't like her. :lol:

Darth_Yuthura
10-11-2008, 07:20 PM
She's demonized in my fic "Shrouded in Darkness" She'll be fairly pleasant in "Prior to Exile."

I hate the character and show it prominently, but it is for good reason. She was just too dedicated to the Jedi beliefs that she came to despise everything that contradicted her. I hate her more than Vrook because he at least had something to back his arrogance... Atris is just ignorant and pitiful.

HIGH ON PIE 14
10-11-2008, 07:37 PM
Exactly. Her reasoning was always "because the council said so" or something of the like. She just imitates Vrook without getting Vrook's knowledge. While I don't care for Vrook, I respect him a lot more than Atris.

And no, I don't judge characters from the concept art, but before the game actually comes out we don't have much else to go on. Maybe in the original plan of the game when Atris was to be a party member (if LS) she was more...tolerable. She would have to be, as she was originally a love interest for the male Exile. - Probably the only thing I will never complain about Obsidion cutting out. :xp:

Yeah, good character but still hate her. Still, she is a good source to hate on... there are so many people like her in real life. Act like they know everything when really they don't know squat.

@Endorenna: Exactly. :)

~HOP

Burnseyy
10-11-2008, 07:41 PM
she was originally a love interest for the male Exile.

~HOP

Bleugh.

Darth_Yuthura
10-11-2008, 07:49 PM
I found it strange just how fixed she was on her beliefs. I could understand why she would hate the Exile, but why could she have been so obsessed with power that no one in the Council would notice that she had fallen long before she sold them out on Katarr. That was why I hated her so much... because she actively betrayed the jedi and thought she was still following their ways herself.

HIGH ON PIE 14
10-11-2008, 08:07 PM
With the council, it appeared that she was fairly submissive to their demands, and was even harsher on the exile then them. She seemed to hold the others in the highest esteem. She even admits that she thought the exile was right in the hearing, but let the others easily change her mind.

When the council split up she started to feel more important. She was "the keeper of the holocrons." She thought she was the last true jedi, the one who would save the jedi order (How she would do this from her icehole, I have no idea). So in that way she thought "I'm the last jedi, sole hope, blah blah blah. Since she was supposedly the last, then her beliefs and the beliefs of the order were one and the same.

As to Katarr...no clue. Perhaps since she thought the exile was right in the hearing, she realized the council was not infalable as she once thought, because they cast the exile out. She started to beleive that since she was 1) on the council, and 2) the only one on the council who at the time thought that the exile should not be exiled than she must have the best judgment.

I don't know, just a theory.

~HOP

TKA-001
10-11-2008, 08:52 PM
she had fallen long before she sold them out on Katarr
First of all, Atris didn't "sell the Jedi out" at Katarr. She was trying to draw their enemy (Nihilus) out so they could kill it. Granted, it was improper for her to not tell anyone else about her real plans, but aside from that there was nothing improper in the execution of said plan, except for the fact that it didn't work (which was unforeseeable). In spite of this, you keep talking about it like she deliberately got them all killed just to be a bitch.

Second, do you have any evidence that Atris was a Dark Jedi (or whatever) at any point before TSL other than the fact that she speaks somewhat rudely when talking to the Exile at the trial?

Bee Hoon
10-12-2008, 01:07 AM
Ultimate Vader, the set canon shouldn't dissuade you;p Look at the game thru the eyes of your Exile and you will be a happy man!

TKA-001, I bring you an awesomesauce quote:
“It is such a quiet thing, to fall. But far more terrible is to admit it.”

TKA-001
10-12-2008, 09:43 AM
TKA-001, I bring you an awesomesauce quote:

“It is such a quiet thing, to fall. But far more terrible is to admit it.”
How is that supposed to answer my question?

Bee Hoon
10-12-2008, 10:03 AM
Basically, it implies that she fell waaaay before that conversation. I seem to recall that the Handmaiden mentions going on missions to obtain holocrons. And we know that Atris has tons of Sith holocrons. I imagine that it would take time to amass such a collection. My guess would be that the exile's decision to go to war was the beginning of her fall. By the time we encounter her on Telos, she was pretty manipulative--e.g. leaking the exile's information so that she could use the exile to draw out the Sith.

Anyhoo, just my :twocents:! :angel:

Ctrl Alt Del
10-12-2008, 11:02 AM
That was why I hated her so much... because she actively betrayed the jedi and thought she was still following their ways herself.

I don't think that's reason enough to hate her. First, you're not the Council and second, that just adds another layer of depht to her character.

HIGH ON PIE 14
10-12-2008, 04:21 PM
I don't think that's reason enough to hate her. First, you're not the Council and second, that just adds another layer of depht to her character.


It makes her a better character, I don't think anyone denies that - but it certainly makes her less likeable, and therefore more hateable (I fairly sure that is not a word, but whatever)

I would think betraying all of your supposed friends, many of whom died as a result (Vandar) and then still adamently saying you are right is a good enough reason to hate someone. I believe the poll question was "what do you think of Atris?" - this can mean "do you like her or not?" or it can mean "how good of a character is she?" So I think her character idea gets an A. I do not like her at all.

What does not being the council have to do with it? Nobody here is on the council as it's fictional.

@TK-001: You bring up a good point :shades2:, but why would Atris do her own thing without telling anyone about her real plan, especially when the people whom she is not telling are risking their lives for the original plan? That definatly suggests an alterior motive. I'm not saying that this actually proves she was a dark jedi at this point, but it's possible evidence.

Also, her speaking rudely about the exile at the trial does not suggest that she is dark at all IMO. Perhaps self centered and close minded, but if being rude to the exile was a characteristic of the darkside, almost everyone would be a sith. :xp: I think Katarr is evidence, as I have previously stated. Also, the gathering of the holocrons is highly suspicious - perhaps they are what turned her, enslaving her in dark power. Why would this supposed do-gooder go through so much trouble to collect them? Just to put them on shelves while they collect dust? Somehow I don't think so...

Please note that I am not trying to be obnoxious with my arguements. If they come off that way I'm sorry. Honestly I think both of you have made good points...that I just happen to disagree with. :)

~HOP

Rev7
10-12-2008, 07:24 PM
I think that she is pretty lame.

I mean, we are talking about a lady that doesn't let her 6 (or something) 'slaves' do anything but practice their martial arts on each other. There is something wrong with that...

Ctrl Alt Del
10-12-2008, 07:32 PM
I mean, we are talking about a lady that doesn't let her 6 (or something) 'slaves' do anything but practice their martial arts on each other. There is something wrong with that...

Well, there's an explanation for that in-game. The fact that she is a manipulative witch don't change much of my opinion about her. I mean, Kreia is no different on that sense and we don't see many people openly hating her.

HIGH ON PIE 14
10-12-2008, 11:16 PM
I think that she is pretty lame.

I mean, we are talking about a lady that doesn't let her 6 (or something) 'slaves' do anything but practice their martial arts on each other. There is something wrong with that...

Well the reason was telling the Handmaidens how important their fighting skills were, and how being trained to use the force would flaw their perfection. Hmmph...she claimed she wanted to rebuild the jedi order - she had at least one (Brianna), possibly 6 force sensitives and went out of her way not to train them. Hypocrital much? :xp:

~HOP

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
10-13-2008, 01:12 AM
I don't think that's reason enough to hate her. First, you're not the Council and second, that just adds another layer of depht to her character.
its all made to be part of the experience! the same way you'd love your favorite character, you hate some other ones. ;)
Why would this supposed do-gooder go through so much trouble to collect them? Just to put them on shelves while they collect dust? Somehow I don't think so...

IMO its very 'hapennable' :xp: the lure of learning things that may give you an edge for things, stuff your old masters wouldnt want you to learn, but stuff that you can easily get and they'd never know... you obtain a holocron, and learn from it. you feel great: you just learnt stuff that very few people know. (you just became special, a cut above the rest). that holocron you got referred to another one, perhaps by the same person, continuing topics covered in the first one. so you get that one as well and it just so happens that another one came along with it, so you check that one out too...
soon enough you have heaps. one of them requires you slip into a dark trance, something that you feel uncomfortable with, but have always wondered what it feels like... and its for a good cause, you tell yourself. as that last of the jedi, its *imperative* that you stay alive, and this just increases your chances of surviving. it feels sick, but fascinating... you try it again a while later, and this time to dont hold back... and its feels *exilerating!* soon you try all sorts of different things like it, and that sick feeling that you got when you started is a distant memory...
so it would be with her principles. like the trances in the above example, they would slowly be compromised, like a pedestal being chipped away at the sides, until all thats left is a small pole with a platform on it where she stands. she looks down, and the platform she's on looks the same as always has... she thinks its all ok, until as it is in the game, a 'wind' brings it crumbling to the ground, and out of the rubble comes a new person... essentially the same, but with dark robes with a head thing that looks like it was designed by the same blind rodian who designed the sith trooper uniforms...
(wow, that was uber metaphorical. i feel *eloquent*.)

Endorenna
10-13-2008, 02:25 AM
Very well put, JIGOS. :)

Razgriz1928
10-13-2008, 02:25 PM
Well, there's an explanation for that in-game. The fact that she is a manipulative witch don't change much of my opinion about her. I mean, Kreia is no different on that sense and we don't see many people openly hating her.

She's basically a more attractive Kreia :xp:

HIGH ON PIE 14
10-13-2008, 03:38 PM
Very well put, JIGOS. :)

Indeed. :)

I didn't mean to say Atris thought "Sweet, sith relics! Let me bask in their dark power! Muuaahahaha!" It was probably a gradual change as you suggested.

People like Kreia better because she is more subtle about it. Okay, it was obvious that she was a baddy from the start, but she was not as whiny or bossy as Atris. Also, Kreia did what ever was best for herself, and was willing to change her opinion or actions if the need arose. Atris stubbornly stuck to a flawed set of beliefs that reduced her to a whining schutta. Kreia had the subtle power of manipulation over evryone. All Atris did was order around her Handmaidens, who would obey her without manipulation. Just my two cents.

~HOP

Burnseyy
10-13-2008, 04:07 PM
Indeed. :)

I didn't mean to say Atris thought "Sweet, sith relics! Let me bask in their dark power! Muuaahahaha!"
~HOP

Funniest mental image, ever. :xp:

Anyway, yeah. I didn't vote the 'i hate her so much I'd cut her to bits', because really - she's not that unlikeable (if thats a word?) her character definitely adds depth to the story line, and everyone loves a good 'fall to the dark side' story. The fact that the writers made everyone dislike her is really good, because that was their point. ;)
If people like her, then that's for their own reasons... but I'm preeeetty sure the majority don't.

Besides, I was sort of relieved to get to her place on Telos, after all of that fighting, where Bao, Atton or Kreia couldn't stay alive for more than two minutes. A nice little chat over a cup of tea. :) Ahh.

Darth_Yuthura
10-13-2008, 07:12 PM
Funniest mental image, ever. :xp:

Anyway, yeah. I didn't vote the 'i hate her so much I'd cut her to bits', because really - she's not that unlikeable (if thats a word?) her character definitely adds depth to the story line, and everyone loves a good 'fall to the dark side' story. The fact that the writers made everyone dislike her is really good, because that was their point. ;)
If people like her, then that's for their own reasons... but I'm preeeetty sure the majority don't.

Besides, I was sort of relieved to get to her place on Telos, after all of that fighting, where Bao, Atton or Kreia couldn't stay alive for more than two minutes. A nice little chat over a cup of tea. :) Ahh.

Alright, I'm not thinking about you the same way again. I cannot sympathize with someone who's beliefs are so weak, yet behaves so hypocritically. I despise Atris because she is so convinced of her own superiority that she is dangerous. My aunt is just like Atris... even worse since suffering a head injury. If Atris were truly mad, then she would be the greatest sith EVER.

mattig89ch
10-13-2008, 08:01 PM
Its been so long since I voted I can't remember what I put. It was either meh, or I hate her.

I do think that se was trying to do good, but her feelings got in the way. Remember what kreia said, that she loved you as anyone would love a hero. You hurt her, and brought back feelings best left alone (I think those were her words).

TKA-001
10-13-2008, 08:45 PM
but she was not as whiny or bossy as Atris.
Kreia is less bossy than Atris? I must have missed something, because I don't recall Atris ever trying to make the entire crew of the Ebon Hawk into her personal βitcΠ. Atris doesn't do as much of anything as Kreia.

RyuuKage
10-13-2008, 08:56 PM
Atris is a stuck-up moron. period. Just hearing her name makes me think of her idiotic attitude during your long talk with her on Telos, regardless of whether you're LS or DS.

SW01
10-13-2008, 08:58 PM
I think Atris is something of a pitiable character in TSL. There are references to the fact that she possibly regretted her inaction or envied the Exile's decisiveness. I think she would have been a very interesting party member.

Bastila Sham
10-13-2008, 10:14 PM
meh. Couldnt care less about this character

Last time I played this game was over three years ago, and I have no recollection of the character. How's that for impressions?

Endorenna
10-14-2008, 01:03 AM
You don't remember Atris!?!?!? Lucky...I don't think I'll ever forget that witch...

Darth_Yuthura
10-14-2008, 01:11 AM
I think Atris is something of a pitiable character in TSL. There are references to the fact that she possibly regretted her inaction or envied the Exile's decisiveness. I think she would have been a very interesting party member.

Uh... are you sure you know who you're talking about? This is a character that betrayed the jedi at Katarr. She is the one who turned on the Exile both before the Mandalorian wars and after she returned. She was a sith down to her core.

Intentions are worthless without deeds to back them. If Atris knew what she did was wrong, then it was worse than simply being ignorant of your actions. She was the worst villain ever created in the SW Universe.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
10-14-2008, 07:09 AM
Its been so long since I voted I can't remember what I put. It was either meh, or I hate her.
just look at the poll results. the italicized one is the option you chose ;)

i reckon atris was kreia junior somewhat. some of those holocrons were kreia's teachings and there are many parallels between them. i dont think kreia was always the witch she was in the game. i'd actually really like to see her young, and see how she fell. or whatever she did. (see if atton's 'good-looking-female radar' was correct :xp:) (kreia would be like, "'fall?' so relative...blah blah" *manipulate* "Fool!")

Feagildin
10-14-2008, 12:40 PM
I think Atris really just needed some loving. One night with the exile would've set her straight. ;P

As for the concept art, I think she was originally supposed to be the exile. Female canon after all. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.

On topic, I liked Atris as a character. She needed a serious attitude adjustment, but I did pity her. She seemed like yet another victim of the poor decisions of the council. Going to war is not going against the LS. If the council had acted on behalf of the people of the galaxy, and had been self-sacrificial instead of self-preservatory, things most likely would have been very different. Atris may never have fallen, being free to follow the Revan, Malak, and the exile freely, without the emotional conflict of "betraying" the council, the Jedi, and her own moral code. Revan and Malak may never have "fallen", with all the masters there to counsel and strengthen the younger, more emotionally susceptible Jedi. In other words, Atris was simply already cut to ribbons internally by the strain of being pulled in two very different directions by two different attachment with what were, to her, very real, very justified reasons. Some may look at that as simple weakness, and maybe it is. But Atris is human, and humans are social beings, we all sometimes need companionship. Atris didn't feel as though she had that. She couldn't go to the council with her feelings, because she couldn't accept her own feelings. She couldn't follow the exile, because she couldn't bring herself to defy the council. In the end, feeling friendless and alone, she embraced the dark side, and it answered her call for companionship. The dark side became her "friend", her confident, her solace. The holocrons she gathered became her council, and she, still unwilling to admit she had abandoned all she knew to be right, masked her alignment with rationalizations of good intent. In the end, she fell, and Kreia's words embodied Atris' position best: "It is such a quiet thing, to fall. But far more terrible is to admit it."

I voted for "She was cool."

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
10-14-2008, 03:19 PM
good insight, Feagildin! :)

HIGH ON PIE 14
10-18-2008, 12:50 AM
Kreia is less bossy than Atris? I must have missed something, because I don't recall Atris ever trying to make the entire crew of the Ebon Hawk into her personal βitcΠ. Atris doesn't do as much of anything as Kreia.

No. Kreia is manipulative, not bossy, there is a difference. Kreia uses blackmail and force techniques on the crew to get her way. While I don't like her manipulating thte crew, I admire her skill with it, especially since it generally produced the results she wanted.

Atris on the other hand was just a pathetic excuse for a jedi holed up in her ice acadamy "meditating with her holorons." When she speaks to exile she has an "I'm right your wrong you arrogant jerk" attitude. Kreia also tried to bring the exile over to her opinion but she does so through manipulation and persuasion rather than Atris' approach which is that she is right about everything and can never be wrong.

@Feagildin: You have a good insight there. :)

~HOP

Ultimate Vader
10-18-2008, 02:09 AM
I think Atris really just needed some loving. One night with the exile would've set her straight. ;P

As for the concept art, I think she was originally supposed to be the exile. Female canon after all. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.

On topic, I liked Atris as a character. She needed a serious attitude adjustment, but I did pity her. She seemed like yet another victim of the poor decisions of the council. Going to war is not going against the LS. If the council had acted on behalf of the people of the galaxy, and had been self-sacrificial instead of self-preservatory, things most likely would have been very different. Atris may never have fallen, being free to follow the Revan, Malak, and the exile freely, without the emotional conflict of "betraying" the council, the Jedi, and her own moral code. Revan and Malak may never have "fallen", with all the masters there to counsel and strengthen the younger, more emotionally susceptible Jedi. In other words, Atris was simply already cut to ribbons internally by the strain of being pulled in two very different directions by two different attachment with what were, to her, very real, very justified reasons. Some may look at that as simple weakness, and maybe it is. But Atris is human, and humans are social beings, we all sometimes need companionship. Atris didn't feel as though she had that. She couldn't go to the council with her feelings, because she couldn't accept her own feelings. She couldn't follow the exile, because she couldn't bring herself to defy the council. In the end, feeling friendless and alone, she embraced the dark side, and it answered her call for companionship. The dark side became her "friend", her confident, her solace. The holocrons she gathered became her council, and she, still unwilling to admit she had abandoned all she knew to be right, masked her alignment with rationalizations of good intent. In the end, she fell, and Kreia's words embodied Atris' position best: "It is such a quiet thing, to fall. But far more terrible is to admit it."

I voted for "She was cool."

Agreed. I voted for "I love her to bits" :D

TKA-001
10-18-2008, 03:09 PM
No. Kreia is manipulative, not bossy, there is a difference. Kreia uses blackmail and force techniques on the crew to get her way. While I don't like her manipulating thte crew, I admire her skill with it, especially since it generally produced the results she wanted.
Those "do whatever I want you to or else, bitch" speeches Kreia gives to Atton and Mandalore don't sound bossy at all to you?

Ctrl Alt Del
10-18-2008, 05:14 PM
No. Kreia is manipulative, not bossy, there is a difference. Kreia uses blackmail and force techniques on the crew to get her way. While I don't like her manipulating thte crew, I admire her skill with it, especially since it generally produced the results she wanted.


Sure there is a difference between bossy and manipulative. And she's actually both. She plays the role of a teacher, and a grumpy one for that matter.

Darth_Yuthura
10-18-2008, 05:34 PM
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think Atris became so blind with power when she was on the Council that she assumed it meant she was perfect and always right. Part of her anger for the Exile was that she wanted to feel superior to her and when she showed time and again that she was the stronger one.

Wouldn't it make sense that Atris hated the Exile because she was always going to be stronger, despite all that Atris had going for her. Why do you think Atris was too afraid to fight the Exile the first time on Telos? No matter what you did to provoke Atris, she kept giving empty threats of which she never delivered. In truth, Atris was just a power-hungary tyrant who knew she would never become the greatest jedi, so she moved to have everyone else killed so she was the only one left standing. That's why she betrayed the jedi on Katarr, but never went herself.

I hate arrogant, self absorbed, power mongers and that's exactly what Atris was.

TKA-001
10-18-2008, 06:53 PM
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think Atris became so blind with power when she was on the Council that she assumed it meant she was perfect and always right. Part of her anger for the Exile was that she wanted [to feel superior to her and when she showed time and again that she was the stronger one.

Wouldn't it make sense that Atris hated the Exile because she was always going to be stronger, despite all that Atris had going for her. Why do you think Atris was too afraid to fight the Exile the first time on Telos? No matter what you did to provoke Atris, she kept giving empty threats of which she never delivered. In truth, Atris was just a power-hungary [sic] tyrant who knew she would never become the greatest jedi, so she moved to have everyone else killed so she was the only one left standing. That's why she betrayed the jedi on Katarr, but never went herself.

I hate arrogant, self absorbed, power mongers and that's exactly what Atris was.
I thoroughly inspected every sentence in that post and could find at least two things wrong with every single one of them, but I wanted to save time, so...

http://shanoogie.com/motivational/MotivationalPosters-Hypocrisy.jpg

HIGH ON PIE 14
10-18-2008, 07:24 PM
Those "do whatever I want you to or else, bitch" speeches Kreia gives to Atton and Mandalore don't sound bossy at all to you?

No, the one with Atton sounded like manipulative blackmail to me. Kreia used his past jedi killing against him. That is not the same thing as bossy. Kreia wants to bend others to her will, but is not going to sit there and whine about how she is the only great one. Does Kreia like everyone? No. But she is smart enough to realize that everybody has a use. I'm not saying she does not want to have her way all the time...everybody wants there way. I'm, saying that she handled it more like someone who has sense, not some bratty 3-year old.

With Mandelore, she basically just told him that the age of the mandelorians was over and that she wanted him to protect the exile. Kreia, believes that if you don't agree with her, than you are wrong, but doesn't everyone? You think DY and I are wrong because we don't agree with you and vice versa. All I'm saying is that I don't hate Kreia, because the way she goes about manipulating takes skill, not just spouting self righteousness and trashing the exile like Atris. The point is Kreia can deliver on her threats, while Atris is full of nothing but hot air.

So you don't think Atris is arrogant or self absorbed? Hmmm...

~HOP

TKA-001
10-18-2008, 07:31 PM
So you don't think Atris is arrogant or self absorbed?
I never said that. Furthermore, I apologize if I implied it.

HIGH ON PIE 14
10-18-2008, 07:35 PM
Oh, well you said you found numerous things wrong with DY's post and arrogant and self absorbed were highlighted in yellow, so I assumed that was one of the things you disagreed with.

Okay then, well, that will teach me not to assume, won't it? :)

~HOP

TKA-001
10-18-2008, 07:45 PM
I see. To avoid further confusion, I've removed the highlights.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
10-18-2008, 11:01 PM
IMO kreia didnt need to be bossy. you'd talk to her and find out that she's already made you do what she wanted you to do without ever talking to you. *shudder*

Chevron 7 locke
10-26-2008, 02:02 AM
I believe that she simply lost her way and need to be put back on the light side. as the exile may have once said: no one is beyond redemption. thats how I deal with Atris. I always try to save her. One reason is because she could be a possible romance...you know...a little reskin here and there