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Jason Skywalker
10-21-2008, 07:00 PM
From official site:

Star Wars: The Old Republic takes place approximately three hundred years after the events of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (KOTOR). At the conclusion of the Jedi Civil War in KOTOR, Revan disappeared into unknown space in search of a great threat to the Republic, an expanding Sith Empire led by a mysterious Emperor who planned vengeance for his ancient Jedi enemies. Revan never returned from unknown space, but the Sith Empire did, kicking off a war with the Republic that lasted for decades. Now, despite the uneasy truce created by the Treaty of Coruscant, the tension among the divided star systems is threatening to once again tear the galaxy apart.

So yeah, Revan = dead, probably at the hands of the Sith Empire.

Jae Onasi
10-21-2008, 07:00 PM
Nooo!!! Jolee's gone too then!!! *Jae cries*

Da_Man_2423
10-21-2008, 07:01 PM
Perhaps you could call the title Revan or something, instead of just "Lol". Thanks.

Astor
10-21-2008, 07:02 PM
From official site:



So yeah, Revan = dead, probably at the hands of the Sith Empire.

THAT'S how they choose to end the KOTOR series, with a few sentences?

Yar-El
10-21-2008, 07:06 PM
SPOILER -- True Sith - Where Revan went and why.

Star Wars: The Old Republic takes place approximately three hundred years after the events of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (KOTOR). At the conclusion of the Jedi Civil War in KOTOR, Revan disappeared into unknown space in search of a great threat to the Republic, an expanding Sith Empire led by a mysterious Emperor who planned vengeance for his ancient Jedi enemies. Revan never returned from unknown space, but the Sith Empire did, kicking off a war with the Republic that lasted for decades. Now, despite the uneasy truce created by the Treaty of Coruscant, the tension among the divided star systems is threatening to once again tear the galaxy apart.

ReplicatorJade
10-21-2008, 07:07 PM
That just seriously sucks! I was hoping to see a Kotor game to explain and tie up all the loose ends of Kotor 2!
No Revan!
No Exile!

For the Love of the Empire...why???

Da_Man_2423
10-21-2008, 07:08 PM
This wasn't an official announcement that came out and said "Revan is dead". It just says Revan hasn't returned yet. Hell, he could be Sith again.

Yar-El
10-21-2008, 07:11 PM
Revan is dead, the new Emporer, or is planning something new.

ReplicatorJade
10-21-2008, 07:11 PM
Well, actually he might be dead. Since, the Boadcaster Live thing said that TOD takes place 300 years after Kotor 1 and 2. So, unless Revan found the fountain of youth or something...

Jason Skywalker
10-21-2008, 07:12 PM
Perhaps you could call the title Revan or something, instead of just "Lol". Thanks.

I figured it was less spoilerish than "REVAN'S FATE", y'know what i'm saying? Sure, it's kind of misleading but at least it doesn't spoil you just by looking at the title.

This wasn't an official announcement that came out and said "Revan is dead". It just says Revan hasn't returned yet. Hell, he could be Sith again.

After 300 years? Unlikely.

Yar-El
10-21-2008, 07:13 PM
Well, actually he might be dead. Since, the Boadcaster Live thing said that TOD takes place 300 years after Kotor 1 and 2. So, unless Revan found the fountain of youth or something... :lol: Wasn't Yoda 400ish years old?

Fredi
10-21-2008, 07:14 PM
Well ... sooner of later Revan was going to die, Old Age or killed.

R.I.P Revan.

Jason Skywalker
10-21-2008, 07:14 PM
Prolly due to his race. Which, BTW, is STILL unknown.

ReplicatorJade
10-21-2008, 07:15 PM
:lol: Wasn't Yoda 400ish years old?

Yoda was of an alien race who lived to be up to 1,000 years old.

Revan was human! At least that's what the games allowed you to pick from.

Yar-El
10-21-2008, 07:15 PM
The new Emperor could be Jedi Exile's and Revan's offspring.

Litofsky
10-21-2008, 07:16 PM
Yoda was a different species. As for Revan, he's probably dead, but the cause remains a mystery. I just hope they don't put an item called "Revan's Corpse" into the game, much like the three Jedi on Korriban and Kashyyyk.

ReplicatorJade
10-21-2008, 07:17 PM
Yoda was a different species. As for Revan, he's probably dead, but the cause remains a mystery. I just hope they don't put an item called "Revan's Corpse" into the game, much like the three Jedi on Korriban and Kashyyyk.

I'm with, Litofsky on that note!

Darth InSidious
10-21-2008, 07:17 PM
Hopefully, the real KotOR III will explain that.

(Yes, I still want Revan as PC again, dammit! :xp: )

True_Avery
10-21-2008, 07:19 PM
Revan was a mary sue. She always won, no matter what.

So, either they follow that line and make her invincible like some Arthas type character in WoW, or she is finally dead.

I'm fine with her being dead, or hell not even mentioned. Awesome character, but a character that never loses becomes very dull very quickly.

Yar-El
10-21-2008, 07:21 PM
Revan was a mary sue. She always won, no matter what.

So, either they follow that line and make her invincible like some Arthas type character in WoW, or she is finally dead.

I'm fine with her being dead, or hell not even mentioned. Awesome character, but a character that never loses becomes very dull very quickly. Everything I have read has Revan as a male and Exile as a female. It would be a nice twist if the new Emperor was their offspring.

Revan obviously failed at stopping the Sith threat.

TKA-001
10-21-2008, 07:22 PM
I'm glad that they've finally canonically established that Revan (and presumably the Exile) die at some point, but aside from that I'm not looking forward to any part of this.

True_Avery
10-21-2008, 07:23 PM
Everything I have read has Revan as a male and Exile as a female. It would be a nice twist if the new Emperor was their offspring.
Male Revan and Female Exile were named because of commercial purposes for use in books, as the word "it" is not fitting a character.

The gender is based on player choice, and I chose Revan to be female. Simple as that.

Jason Skywalker
10-21-2008, 07:23 PM
I don't really care much that Revan's dead, what i care about is that he went out nothing like the Revan we saw.

Darth_Yuthura
10-21-2008, 07:24 PM
KOTOR was the greatest game I ever played, but this WILL NOT be of interest to me unless they push back the timeline from 300 years to <25. If this means that KOTOR meant nothing in the grand scheme of things, then I have no interest in ANY of it.

Revan and the Exile, along with all they have accomplished would be tainted.

DON'T MAKE IT TAKE PLACE 300 YEARS TOO LATE!!!!

True_Avery
10-21-2008, 07:24 PM
I don't really care much that Revan's dead, what i care about is that he went out nothing like the Revan we saw.
Currently, we know nothing about the story besides the fact it is set many years later.

So nobody knows how Revan went out, or if Revan ever did go out.

Patience.

Da_Man_2423
10-21-2008, 07:24 PM
Too late, the game is in development, they got the storyline nailed down. No further changes may be added at this point!

Darth_Yuthura
10-21-2008, 07:26 PM
Hopefully, the real KotOR III will explain that.

(Yes, I still want Revan as PC again, dammit! :xp: )

I'm sorry, but this kind of thing is going to kill any hope for KOTOR III.

That's why I hate this so greatly. It's worse than if KOTOR were left in limbo.

ReplicatorJade
10-21-2008, 07:29 PM
I agree with Jason here. Revan become an iconic figure in the Star Wars Universe and the game developers just threw it all away to create some brand new, advanced, young game.


[QUOTE=Darth_Yuthura;2542147]KOTOR was the greatest game I ever played, but this WILL NOT be of interest to me unless they push back the timeline from 300 years to <25. If this means that KOTOR meant nothing in the grand scheme of things, then I have no interest in ANY of it.

Revan and the Exile, along with all they have accomplished would be tainted.

DON'T MAKE IT TAKE PLACE 300 YEARS TOO LATE!!!!

I also agree with Darth_Yuthura. Kotor was my favorite game and it had just a great storyline, awesome charcters and a different persective for Star Wars.

I doubt I'll get the game.

Da_Man_2423
10-21-2008, 07:30 PM
Your 50 bucks is of no great loss to LA.

ReplicatorJade
10-21-2008, 07:30 PM
I'm sorry, but this kind of thing is going to kill any hope for KOTOR III.

That's why I hate this so greatly. It's worse than if KOTOR were left in limbo.

Totally. They majorly screwed this up and I'm sure alot of loyal fans to Kotor are extreme disapointed and frustrated.

I for one am!

jrrtoken
10-21-2008, 07:31 PM
Has no one heard of cryogenics? I think that might be one of the few possible theories if Revan is somehow still alive after three centuries.

Something else from the official site:
Will I see any characters from Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic?

Given that it is approximately 300 years since the events of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, many of the characters have passed away. However, their legacy does live on as many of their descendants will be part of Star Wars: The Old Republic. Some droids can last a long time as well.
Our only hope: HK-47 makes a comeback. :D

True_Avery
10-21-2008, 07:31 PM
Totally. They majorly screwed this up and I'm sure alot of loyal fans to Kotor are extreme disapointed and frustrated.
Its impossible to make everyone happy.

From what the conference has said so far, it looks to be a GW style set up with Single Player storyline mixed into a multiple player world.

You get both while getting neither.

SW01
10-21-2008, 07:34 PM
And there I was thinking that LA would do the sensible thing and finish the trilogy properly...

So, instead we're catapulted 3 centuries forward, when Revan, the Exile, and everyone that ever travelled with them is dead. Any attempt to explain their ends is going to seem, to me anyway, highly contrived.

As for this 'Emperor', I fail to see how he could be realistically related, with any proximity, to our beloved Revan and/or Exile. They would have to be very distant ancestors, anyway.

Da_Man_2423
10-21-2008, 07:36 PM
HK-47 isn't dead yet.

Char Ell
10-21-2008, 07:37 PM
I've got to think BioWare will do something in TOR to provide us the opportunity to learn something of Revan's ultimate fate.

Seems like that puts the kabosh on the story of the Exile as well. Sorry Obsidian. At least BioWare and LucasArts used your "True Sith" idea. :)

True_Avery
10-21-2008, 07:37 PM
HK-47 isn't dead yet.
Correct. For those that recall, he survives another 4,000 years and counting into SWG.

TriggerGod
10-21-2008, 07:39 PM
Has no one heard of cryogenics? I think that might be one of the few possible theories if Revan is somehow still alive after three centuries.

Something else from the official site:
Our only hope: HK-47 makes a comeback. :D

Correct. For those that recall, he survives another 4,000 years and counting into SWG.
EDIT: Wrong, Avery. It was EaW: FoC :p

Well, maybe not T3, considering HK would've recovered his memory or something, and remembered something unpleasant, and blasted the little astromech's memory core out.
/positive thinking

Yar-El
10-21-2008, 07:42 PM
Has no one heard of cryogenics? I think that might be one of the few possible theories if Revan is somehow still alive after three centuries. Carbonite. :D

True_Avery
10-21-2008, 07:43 PM
EDIT: Wrong, Avery. It was EaW: FoC :p

Well, maybe not T3, considering HK would've recovered his memory or something, and remembered something unpleasant, and blasted the little astromech's memory core out.
/positive thinking
http://swg.wikia.com/wiki/HK-47

TriggerGod
10-21-2008, 07:44 PM
http://swg.wikia.com/wiki/HK-47

Bah. Sometimes I get mixed up between the two. :/

Ultimate Vader
10-21-2008, 08:07 PM
Hm? Revan's dead? Proof please.

By the way, I've heard from a fanboy who said Revan is still alive in the Galactic Empire era :D

ReplicatorJade
10-21-2008, 08:13 PM
Hm? Revan's dead? Proof please.

By the way, I've heard from a fanboy who said Revan is still alive in the Galactic Empire era :D

Revan can't live forever you know! Everything dies! (At least according to Matthew Stove, the author of Revenge of the Sith, lol.)

Razgriz1928
10-21-2008, 08:23 PM
Maybe they will have an extremly long set of high level quests that allow you to answer questions left from the previous Kotor games.

That would be interesting.

HK-42
10-21-2008, 08:33 PM
300 years after KOTOR II
4:27
Scooter: uneasy truce between Rebpulic and Sith Empire
4:27
Scooter: two jedi found the sith, got turned, and founded Sith empire, essentially


2 jedi? maybe revan and exile?

Yar-El
10-21-2008, 08:37 PM
I haven't seen a mention of the Jedi Exile. I wonder if they cut her out of the story. We will have to wait and see.

DarthJacen
10-21-2008, 08:53 PM
The new Emperor could be Jedi Exile's and Revan's offspring.

Great a person who was borne to two light side Jedi (against the code) with Revan (Light side male is canonical) being close to Yoda in Midichlorian count and The Jedi Exile (Light side female) who is powerless, but cyphons power from other Force users, Revan.

Assuming Revan was happy to see the Exile after trying to kill her at Malachor V for disloyalty, Revan would have to betray Bastila to have the offspring with the Exile.

Yes, I know you were joking, but still.

I haven't seen a mention of the Jedi Exile. I wonder if they cut her out of the story. We will have to wait and see.

That's true! But since she is part of the Official Star Wars lore for the Expanded Universe, they can't, just forget she ever existed either. Although, I noticed that they seemed to get rid of Obsidian's Jedi robe concept that looked more like the Prequels.

Have you seen the oversized lightsabers for The Old Republic? They look like a club. But, the fact that they clip to your belt is cool. Look at the screenshots on IGN, you'll see what I mean. That sure beats constantly holding your lightsaber in your hand when you are having a casual conversation or playing Pazaak.

Ultimate Vader
10-21-2008, 09:01 PM
Don't get me wrong. I believe that Revan is already dead, I just want some real proof that say Revan is dead.

Yar-El
10-21-2008, 09:39 PM
True Sith Empire Story (http://www.swtor.com/info/story/sith-empire/)

The true origins of the Sith remain shrouded in mystery. The Sith race was, in fact, largely unimportant until three thousand years ago, when Dark Jedi exiles arrived on Korriban and subjugated the Sith beneath their rule and their philosophy.

As the years passed, the Dark Jedi intermarried with those they ruled, and within generations, the word ďSithĒ took on new meaning. This powerful new civilization began expanding rapidly, led by a growing population of ambitious dark Force-users. Fifteen hundred years ago, the Sith civilizationís boundaries reached the Republic, and the Great Hyperspace War began.

Dark Lord of the Sith Naga Sadow led his armies in an aggressive campaign to destroy the Galactic Republic. Though the Sith were successful at first, the Jedi Order rallied back to defeat their dark counterparts, systematically destroying the Sith civilization on Korriban.

Unbeknownst to the Jedi however, the last Emperor of the Sith managed to escape the carnage and fled into Deep Space with his most trusted Dark Lords.

These surviving Sith began rebuilding their society on a distant planet, hoping to one-day return for revenge.

Over the course of the next thousand years, the Sith Empire recovered its strength. The Emperor developed a massive Imperial military, a fleet of advanced warships, and undertook dark rituals which prolonged his life and his undisputed rule.

When the time for vengeance arrived, the Sith began infiltrating star systems in the Outer Rim, sowing seeds of discord and making secret deals with local criminals and warlords. With all the pieces perfectly in place, the Sith launched an enormous offensive which caught the Jedi completely off-guard. In the first wave alone, the Sith succeeded in seizing control of several star systems in the Outer Rim, destroying the Republicís shipyards in the Sluis sector, and strangling the popular Rimma Trade Route.

After the initial crush, the Emperorís brilliant strategies continued and the brutal force of the Imperial military slammed the Republic time and time again, from the deep sinkholes of Utapau to the tall forests of Agamar. Though it seemed the Empire was capable of waging war indefinitely, the Emperor surprised the Republic yet again.

While the Emperorís Dark Council engaged Republic leaders in peace talks, several Sith Lords and an elite Imperial army sacked the Republicís capital planet.

Destroying the Jedi Temple and holding the planet hostage, the Sith left Republic leaders no choice but to surrender several outlying star systems by signing the Treaty of Coruscant.

Since the treaty, the Emperor has withdrawn to pursue his own mysterious goals, deferring control to the Dark Council, and setting the stage for a brutal power struggle. In the political vacuum, the strongest and most cunning Sith and Imperial leaders are rising up to assume authority, consolidate the Empireís dominion and crush its enemies. Holy Henna! BioWare went by the Star Wars Databank.

Over the course of the next thousand years, the Sith Empire recovered its strength. The Emperor developed a massive Imperial military, a fleet of advanced warships, and undertook dark rituals which prolonged his life and his undisputed rule. Revan?

TriggerGod
10-21-2008, 10:10 PM
Revan?

You know, I'm not sure why, but I seriously doubt it. IIRC, Sidious was taken under Plagius' wing as a child.

Maybe Plageius was Revan's apprentice at one point, and Plageius did the same thing to Revan.

Yar-El
10-21-2008, 10:14 PM
Have you seen the oversized lightsabers for The Old Republic? They look like a club. But, the fact that they clip to your belt is cool. Look at the screenshots on IGN, you'll see what I mean. That sure beats constantly holding your lightsaber in your hand when you are having a casual conversation or playing Pazaak. I saw them. There is a screenshot where the lightsaber is extremely massive.

Massive Lightsaber Image (http://www.swtor.com/media/screens/force-choke)

Da_Man_2423
10-21-2008, 10:18 PM
Why is this game so cartoony? Can someone explain, PLEASE?

Litofsky
10-21-2008, 10:28 PM
That lightsaber looked unsatisfactory. It looks, as mentioned, cartoonish and not at all Star Wars-esque. [/disappointment] I hope that this is just concept art.

Yar-El
10-21-2008, 10:34 PM
Its a screenshot. Foreshortening?

TKA-001
10-21-2008, 11:03 PM
Don't get me wrong. I believe that Revan is already dead, I just want some real proof that say Revan is dead.
You don't need proof. It's proved by default by the fact that Revan can't live 300 years.

Yar-El
10-22-2008, 12:37 AM
Why is this game so cartoony? Can someone explain, PLEASE? BioWare is borrowing from the World of Warcraft style of characters. Lucas has done this a few times before. Gallactic Battlesgrounds was borrowed from Microsoft's Age of Empires. The cartoony style is a mimic of War of Warcraft and Diablo III. I hope they thin out some stuff. The final game will look very close to how it is now.

True_Avery
10-22-2008, 12:40 AM
BioWare is borrowing from the World of Warcraft style of characters. Lucas has done this a few times before. Gallactic Battlesgrounds was borrowed from Microsoft's Age of Empires. The cartoony style is a mimic of War of Warcraft and Diablo III. I hope they thin out some stuff. The final game will look very close to how it is now.
Personally I only have a major problem with the Light Sabers. The trimmed down graphics are designed to be friendly to a large variety of computers, so I can understand why they did it.

Matrix Online has beautiful graphics, but due to them the community suffered a lot of lag and system problems.

But, these pictures are still pre-alpha. The look will evolve and change over time I'm guessing.

It is disappointing they wont be trying for an actual Kotor look though...

Jeff
10-22-2008, 12:45 AM
BioWare is borrowing from the World of Warcraft style of characters. Lucas has done this a few times before. Gallactic Battlesgrounds was borrowed from Microsoft's Age of Empires. The cartoony style is a mimic of War of Warcraft and Diablo III. I hope they thin out some stuff. The final game will look very close to how it is now.I don't think the game looks cartoony at all, definitely not like World of Warcraft and Diablo 3 does not look cartoony.

Example: http://cdn-www.swtor.com/sites/all/files/ss/SS_20081021_TombLightsaberDuel_full.jpg

Yar-El
10-22-2008, 12:45 AM
It is disappointing they wont be trying for an actual Kotor look though... I was wondering if the singleplayer games will remain close in style; thus, the online game will have its own seperate allure. I'm sure your right. This game still has some more roads to head down. We may endup getting a KotOR III in the future; however, it will be close to the style of the first two. Who really can tell? Anything is possible.

I don't think the game looks cartoony at all, definitely not like World of Warcraft and Diablo 3 does not look cartoony.
Example: http://cdn-www.swtor.com/sites/all/files/ss/SS_20081021_TombLightsaberDuel_full.jpg It has to be those lightsabers and big hands. We will have to see how things progress from here.

Jeff
10-22-2008, 12:54 AM
I am thinking the lightsabers will be sized down by the time the game is released, I do agree they do not look good at this stage.

Yar-El
10-22-2008, 12:55 AM
I figured it out. The Sith Lords had less color tones and values. Everything in the second game seemed dark and muted. Kind of grungy. The Old Republic has brighter colors and a larger pallette. Light sources also seem to be brighter. Everything seems more polished and clean. Some things remind me of the first game; however, the color pallete has been opened up. People got use to The Sith Lords color tones; therefore, the second game's experience should have made you feel dark and helpless. The Old Republic will feel more epic and upbeat in some locations, and more darker and cold in other locations. BioWare is playing on color and their symbolic moods.

deathdisco
10-22-2008, 02:08 AM
It looks like the borrowed the style of lightsabers (http://www.freewebs.com/temporarytomato/) from TemporaryTomato (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=142174).

OT:
I don't mind the thought of Revan and The Exile getting pwned by the True Sith, since it makes sense Sith would end up returning anyway but the story of Revan is my(the players) story. I would of liked to seen it through to it's conclusion. I also would like to think Revan almost succeeded in defeating the Sith but in the end was overwhelmed. Martyrdom Baby! :xp:
I posted this elsewhere.

Nedak
10-22-2008, 03:07 AM
I bet they'll make a KOTOR III where Revan returns 400 years after KOTOR II.


If not they already said this would be like KOTOR 3-6 so we will all learn what happened to Revan. Chill-out.

Sabretooth
10-22-2008, 03:13 AM
Revan is the New Emperor. All the bits fit. He was planning on destroying the Republic all along, the sneaky bastard.

Nedak
10-22-2008, 03:18 AM
Revan is the New Emperor. All the bits fit. He was planning on destroying the Republic all along, the sneaky bastard.

You're right I found an artist concept of the new Revan!



******SPOILER********


******SPOILER********

******SPOILER********












REVAN
http://utownblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/austin_powers_mike_myers_as_dr_evil.jpg

Ztalker
10-22-2008, 07:00 AM
Hm? Revan's dead? Proof please.

By the way, I've heard from a fanboy who said Revan is still alive in the Galactic Empire era :D

300 years...that man has some wrinkles then :hor:

Anyways, I had a night to think about this. Revan's fate can actually turn out to be epically cool!
Imagine this:
-According to Kreia, the True Sith were already rebuilding
-They swiped Corruscant. Capital of the Republic
-It took them 300 years to find the Republic. But according to Kreia, they were already there...

So what....if Revan, the Exile, HK (we KNOW he joined the Sith, check the background in the interview) fought a Guerilla war there. Weakened the Sith infrastructure. Raids...try to postpone the inevitable, trying to save the Republic from invasion.

I can totally imagine it: Revan single handedly wiping out a communications facility, The Exile entering from the other side, eliminating several Sith....

I see great comic/book/game? Potential here!

Rathoris
10-22-2008, 08:03 AM
Revan simply is dead or is the sith emperor. Him being the emperor actually makes a tiny bit a of sense. On the website it says the emperor is actually like 1000 years old and more importantly in the war against the republic it states he used brilliant tactics:

Over the course of the next thousand years, the Sith Empire recovered its strength. The Emperor developed a massive Imperial military, a fleet of advanced warships, and undertook dark rituals which prolonged his life and his undisputed rule.

When the time for vengeance arrived, the Sith began infiltrating star systems in the Outer Rim, sowing seeds of discord and making secret deals with local criminals and warlords. With all the pieces perfectly in place, the Sith launched an enormous offensive which caught the Jedi completely off-guard. In the first wave alone, the Sith succeeded in seizing control of several star systems in the Outer Rim, destroying the Republicís shipyards in the Sluis sector, and strangling the popular Rimma Trade Route.

After the initial crush, the Emperorís brilliant strategies continued and the brutal force of the Imperial military slammed the Republic time and time again, from the deep sinkholes of Utapau to the tall forests of Agamar. Though it seemed the Empire was capable of waging war indefinitely, the Emperor surprised the Republic yet again.

Ztalker
10-22-2008, 08:20 AM
I don't think Revan has the monopoly on brilliant military tactics.

And it will be disappointing to see him turn Sith again after all he has been through in Kotor. The options that he's offspring of Revan is acceptable, but Revan himself? No.

I've had enough of insanely old Sith with Krayt..

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan
10-22-2008, 08:58 AM
Quote:
300 years after KOTOR II
4:27
Scooter: uneasy truce between Rebpulic and Sith Empire
4:27
Scooter: two jedi found the sith, got turned, and founded Sith empire, essentially
2 jedi? maybe revan and exile?


can you give me the source for that? i saw that live blog by that guy on VG247.com, but i cant find that little bit about those two sith!

it would stink for me if the emperor was revan... and if he(/she-?) is a descendant of revan... well, unless bastila went off and found revan or something. i kinda thought the emperor would be one of the dark lords from pre-k1 era. but who knows? anything is possible... "always in motion, the future is..." (well, in our brains, anyway :xp:)

i dont really like the cartooniness of the concept art either.. but if the story is crazy epic like they say it will be, ill look over it!
but they seriously need to fix those lightsabers... the hilts alone look like they could clobber someone to death.... *duel sounds of lightsabers* *vmm vmm KSSSCHK! vmm KSSCK! vmm vmm vmmm....* *clonk.* *die*

or

Guy:"hey, cool dumbbells ya got there!"
Jedi Guy:"oh these? theyre lightsabers."
Guy: :eek:

maybe there'll be a new saber combat style: Form VIII/Ishi (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_word_%27rock%27_when_translated_from_E nglish_to_Japanese) - the way of the rock.

SW01
10-22-2008, 11:39 AM
It seems highly unlikely that Revan is the Sith Emperor.

Dark Lord of the Sith Naga Sadow led his armies in an aggressive campaign to destroy the Galactic Republic. Though the Sith were successful at first, the Jedi Order rallied back to defeat their dark counterparts, systematically destroying the Sith civilization on Korriban.

Unbeknownst to the Jedi however, the last Emperor of the Sith managed to escape the carnage and fled into Deep Space with his most trusted Dark Lords.

And he extends his life, apparently. It looks more likely that Revan fell before him.

DarthJacen
10-23-2008, 02:48 AM
can you give me the source for that? i saw that live blog by that guy on VG247.com, but i cant find that little bit about those two sith!

it would stink for me if the emperor was revan... and if he(/she-?) is a descendant of revan... well, unless bastila went off and found revan or something. i kinda thought the emperor would be one of the dark lords from pre-k1 era. but who knows? anything is possible... "always in motion, the future is..." (well, in our brains, anyway :xp:)

i dont really like the cartooniness of the concept art either.. but if the story is crazy epic like they say it will be, ill look over it!
but they seriously need to fix those lightsabers... the hilts alone look like they could clobber someone to death.... *duel sounds of lightsabers* *vmm vmm KSSSCHK! vmm KSSCK! vmm vmm vmmm....* *clonk.* *die*

or

Guy:"hey, cool dumbbells ya got there!"
Jedi Guy:"oh these? theyre lightsabers."
Guy: :eek:

maybe there'll be a new saber combat style: Form VIII/Ishi (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_word_%27rock%27_when_translated_from_E nglish_to_Japanese) - the way of the rock.

Yeah, forget dueling with lightsabers. Just run around hitting people upside the head with the hilts. The whole server will be nothing but cheapshots. Jedi running around clobbering people over the head.

Can anyone say bar fight?

RyuuKage
10-23-2008, 03:00 AM
Revan is the New Emperor. All the bits fit. He was planning on destroying the Republic all along, the sneaky bastard.
actually reading that Sith Empire description again, there's no way the Emperor could be Revan (unless someone messed up, lol), since the Sith Emperor was alive before Revan's "Sith" Empire was even formed.

Still, Revan could be that unknown Sith Lord carbon frozen with Sith Troopers in some undisclosed location from the end of Empire at War: Forces of Corruption, lolz. 'Course he'd have to fall to the Dark side...again...

So what....if Revan, the Exile, HK (we KNOW he joined the Sith, check the background in the interview) fought a Guerilla war there. Weakened the Sith infrastructure. Raids...try to postpone the inevitable, trying to save the Republic from invasion.

I can totally imagine it: Revan single handedly wiping out a communications facility, The Exile entering from the other side, eliminating several Sith....

I see great comic/book/game? Potential here!
see, that's what I mean...what would not be awesome if that was KotOR III? Sure, we know they failed to stop the Sith, but it would still be epic!

Ztalker
10-23-2008, 06:01 AM
see, that's what I mean...what would not be awesome if that was KotOR III? Sure, we know they failed to stop the Sith, but it would still be epic!

Yep...it has that '300' feel all over it :D

Pikmin
10-23-2008, 11:12 PM
Scooter: two jedi found the sith, got turned, and founded Sith empire, essentially

Um, the two Jedi are none other than Revan and Malak...

jamestl2
10-24-2008, 03:21 AM
Couldn't the much simpler answer have been that Kreia Lied about everything, (including just inventing the existence of the "True Sith") to scare the exile, kill the force, etc.?

Would've made things much easier to come up with, IMO :D.

I'm kinda doubting it though, it does sound like they're really real (and in known space) now....

DAWUSS
12-22-2008, 10:31 PM
Revan could still be alive, right? He's a Hutt from Kashyyyk disguised as a human threatening to overthrow the Republic ;)

Emperor Devon
12-24-2008, 04:30 AM
Revan was a mary sue. She always won, no matter what.

Yeah, 'cause getting captured, mindwiped and having his plans fall into total disarray is such an obvious sign of winning. >_>

TKA-001
12-24-2008, 12:48 PM
The ideal fate of Revan would be trying to fight some sort guerrilla war against the so-called "True Sith" with the Exile and their companions. Of course, 22 people can't defeat an Empire, so they would get picked off one by one until only Revan and Exile are left. They manage to kill most of the major True Sith leaders, but the strain of everything that happened drove Revan insane, and she attempts to become the leader of the Sith again.

The Exile, who is still relatively sane, kills Revan to stop her plans and is subsequently mowed down by a horde of Sith minions. The Republic and the Jedi (who are being rebuilt by Atris or someone else, if Atris doesn't return from exile) never know what happened to them. Life isn't fair sometimes.

Yeah, 'cause getting captured, mindwiped and having his plans fall into total disarray is such an obvious sign of winning. >_>
Allow me to extrapolate on Avery's behalf.

Revan always won, no matter what, except in instances when his/her setbacks could clearly be milked for pro-Revan propaganda by the fans.

DarthJacen
12-24-2008, 04:06 PM
The ideal fate of Revan would be trying to fight some sort guerrilla war against the so-called "True Sith" with the Exile and their companions. Of course, 22 people can't defeat an Empire, so they would get picked off one by one until only Revan and Exile are left. They manage to kill most of the major True Sith leaders, but the strain of everything that happened drove Revan insane, and she [he] attempts to become the leader of the Sith again.

The Exile, who is still relatively sane, kills Revan to stop her [his] plans and is subsequently mowed down by a horde of Sith minions. The Republic and the Jedi (who are being rebuilt by Atris or someone else, if Atris doesn't return from exile) never know what happened to them. Life isn't fair sometimes.


Allow me to extrapolate on Avery's behalf.

Revan always won, no matter what, except in instances when his/her [his] setbacks could clearly be milked for pro-Revan propaganda by the fans.

Revan is light side male, the Exile is light side female, canonically speaking, and they never took their companions with them. They, purposely, left them behind because it was too dangerous. Plus, the Sith Emperor is one thousand years old by the time The Old Republic takes place, which makes him only seven hundred during the time Revan and the Exile would be fighting them.

I think that the guerrilla effort was them trying to sew dissent among loyal Imperials. That way, they can weaken the Sith Empire and gain allies, in the process, the expendable kind. This gives them an army without any emotional connections to their forces, which is why they left everyone else in known space to begin with. It will make it easier for them to take on the dark side without falling victim to it themselves.

Who knows, they might even hire some Mandalorians, since they are in the Unknown Regions to begin with.

TKA-001
12-24-2008, 07:05 PM
Revan is light side male, the Exile is light side female, canonically speaking
I was speaking in regards to what I consider to be the ideal canonical outcome of the conflict in question. My slight deviation from the canon view of Revan is just another part of said outcome.

they never took their companions with them.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't follow the two into the Unknown Regions.

DAWUSS
12-25-2008, 06:01 PM
One thing I will be interested in learning is what Revan's goal in the Unknown Regions actually happened to be.

Un4tun8
12-25-2008, 10:15 PM
HK-47 isn't dead yet.
But there are hundreds of HK-74 (assault rifle analogy pun intended) and perhaps newer models like HK-107 running around the galaxy.

Have you seen the oversized lightsabers for The Old Republic? They look like a club. But, the fact that they clip to your belt is cool. Look at the screenshots on IGN, you'll see what I mean. That sure beats constantly holding your lightsaber in your hand when you are having a casual conversation or playing Pazaak.

True masters sheathe lightsaber into a scabbard without cutting it :xp: An ignited lightsaber in a semi-transparent scabbard (skin/holster) looks awesome :D

I saw them. There is a screenshot where the lightsaber is extremely massive.

Massive Lightsaber Image (http://www.swtor.com/media/screens/force-choke)

This is The Old Republic times after all. The technology was not yet that advanced and lightsaber batteries were huge.

DAWUSS
12-28-2008, 09:35 AM
I don't think Revan has the monopoly on brilliant military tactics.



Thrawn says hello

Emperor Devon
12-29-2008, 05:53 AM
Revan always won, no matter what, except in instances when his/her setbacks could clearly be milked for pro-Revan propaganda by the fans.

Not sure I understand. What advantage could there have been to getting captured by the Jedi, mindwiped, and presumed dead by the galaxy at large? Revan failed to accurately peg Malak's resourcefulness (or at least all the factors in the battle), and screwed up.

adamqd
12-29-2008, 07:24 AM
True masters sheathe lightsaber into a scabbard without cutting it :xp: An ignited lightsaber in a semi-transparent scabbard (skin/holster) looks awesome :D

ROFL :D

This is The Old Republic times after all. The technology was not yet that advanced and lightsaber batteries were huge.

More elaborate not big, Lightsaber technology is well known and detailed throughout all the chronology, and lightsabers have been without the need of an external or bulky battery for well over 1000 years at this point.

Ztalker
12-29-2008, 08:04 AM
Thrawn says hello

Yes, IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
To all fanboys; this is YOUR logic!

SITH EMPEROR IS THRAWN! He uses military tactics, so he is Thrawn! He time travelled back using a Delorean and Michael J. Fox is Luke Skywalker!

[/sarcasm]

Seriously. Revan is dead as a doormat. Bioware wants him dead, we want him dead. Only fanboys want him alive so the can camp around him in roleplaying servers (those servers are SCARY in WoW! ).

SpartanPride
12-31-2008, 06:18 PM
Perhaps the Exile and Revan sacrificed themselves weakening the Sith so the Republic would have some sort of a chance to defeat them.

TKA-001
12-31-2008, 07:11 PM
Not sure I understand. What advantage could there have been to getting captured by the Jedi, mindwiped, and presumed dead by the galaxy at large? Revan failed to accurately peg Malak's resourcefulness (or at least all the factors in the battle), and screwed up.
Revan losing in that instance is what I was referring to when I stated the exception to the rule. According to my extrapolation, Revan's defeat there served as "pro-Revan propaganda", often being used to label Malak as cowardly and afraid of Revan.

If that doesn't make any sense, then keep in mind that I was translating/extrapolating what Avery said, not necessarily stating my own opinion.