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leXX
10-22-2008, 07:03 AM
I'm currently reading The Hobbit to my daughters every night, because I really want them to experience the book before the films comes out. I've had to get them into bed a half hour earlier than usual, because they simply won't let me stop some nights. I ended up reading to them for an hour and a half last night, mind you, it was a particularly good bit of the book (the riddle game with Gollum and subsequent escape from the goblin tunnels).

Anyway, on to the point of this thread. Do you think the films will be as good as The Lord of the Rings trilogy? Guillermo del Toro will be directing it (Pans Labyrinth) with Peter Jackson doing the screenplay. Thankfully Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis are rumoured to reprise their roles. I just really have my fingered crossed on this one, I'm praying they don't muck up one of my favourite books, but with Toro and Jackson, how could they possibly go wrong?

MrWally
10-22-2008, 07:19 AM
I fully trust Jackson and Walsh's writing capabilities. When they (meaning when they were producers) were looking for writers they had a meeting and decided that they needed some big names who would have lots of experience with Tolkien Lore and fantasy work. Then they realized, accurately, that they're pretty much the only names in the business who had all those.

I guess what that means is, honestly, everyone knows that Jackson and Walsh are, in essence, the ONLY writers who can be trusted with this screenplay, so if the movie is going to be any good it pretty much has to be put in their hands. And as for Del Toro, whether you like his movies or not (I love them) you can't deny that when it comes to visual creativity he's definitely one of the best.

I have very high expectations for this film -- and I'm confident they will be fullfilled.

Prime
10-22-2008, 10:05 AM
Do you think the films will be as good as The Lord of the Rings trilogy? Guillermo del Toro will be directing it (Pans Labyrinth) with Peter Jackson doing the screenplay. Thankfully Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis are rumoured to reprise their roles. I just really have my fingered crossed on this one, I'm praying they don't muck up one of my favourite books, but with Toro and Jackson, how could they possibly go wrong?I have faith that they will be very solid. But I'm interested to see if they take a lighter tone than that LotR films to reflect the book...

tk102
10-22-2008, 10:15 AM
I agree with you MrWally. Jackson and Walsh will probably find handling only a single book this time around indulging, allowing them to smell the roses a bit more (not due out until 2011). It sounds like del Toro is thrilled to be working on the project and unless there's some major falling out with Jackson, I think the Hobbit is going to live up to you and your daughters' expectations, LeXX. And that's cool to hear that you're sharing the experience with them currently. Good mum. :D

The Seeker
10-22-2008, 11:44 AM
Oh Lexx that's the greatest thing you can do. I read the Hobbit and the entire LotR Trilogy to my little brothers as a bedtime story for nearly a year, and it's such a cool thing for them. I was unimpressed with the writing style even though the story was amazing, but when I started telling the story instead of reading it, it absolutely came alive. Brilliant stuff. The Harry Potter series also makes a badass bedtime story. ;)

And yes, Jackson and Del Toro will make certain that this movie is made of awesome.

IG-64
10-22-2008, 04:29 PM
I made one of my patented exaggerated rant blog posts about this a few months ago: click (http://www.lucasforums.com/blog.php?b=130).

I guess it's the fact that I love the source material so much, and the first 3 movies are all up there with my most favorite of all time, that I'm so worried. I'm still looking forward to it though.

Commander Obi-Wan
10-23-2008, 01:27 AM
I'm quite confident that the movie will be done well. As long as Peter Jackson is helping along with it. And if McKellan and Serkis return, that'll just help the movie even more.

Jeff
10-23-2008, 07:36 PM
I pretty much echo the thoughts of the others. If anybody can make this great, it is Jackson and Walsh.

Lynk Former
10-23-2008, 08:20 PM
I wonder if The Hobbit movie version will be 10 hours like the recent LotR ones...

IG-64
10-23-2008, 08:55 PM
I wonder if The Hobbit movie version will be 10 hours like the recent LotR ones...
I hope so.

When they released the 4:10 extended edition for Return of the King it was both daunting and awesome.

MrWally
10-23-2008, 09:53 PM
For the fans, at least. I love the Extended Editions, but many people are turned off by them, and I know several people who won't watch any of the LOTR movies again because of their length, unfortunately.

It's like... right now I'm in the play Arthur Miller's The Crucible, which can easily be a 3 and a half to 4 hour show with intermission. We're losing a lot of sales to the casual theater fans because of the length. It's pretty disappointing, since it's such a good story and play.

TiE23
10-23-2008, 09:54 PM
I hope there is a special music video for every song that appears in the book...

leXX
10-24-2008, 04:35 AM
I'm actually having a hard time making up the tunes to go with the songs when I'm reading it to the kids. It will be interesting to see how they handle it.

And yeah, the longer the better imo. I hope they leave absolutely nothing out. I loved the RotK extended edition.

Pho3nix
10-24-2008, 05:17 AM
What everyone else said.

Lynk Former
10-24-2008, 05:42 AM
Over 9000 hours of viewing, woot. Let's all try marathon running the extended edition series when The Hobbit Extended Edition comes out.

MrWally
10-24-2008, 07:12 AM
You all have yet to comment on the fact that they are doing two Hobbit-based films.

One after the book, and one on original material connecting The Hobbit to the LOTR trilogy.

What are everyone's thoughts?

IG-64
10-24-2008, 07:26 AM
You all have yet to comment on the fact that they are doing two Hobbit-based films.
I did in my blog post I linked to.

Oh wait, I forgot, no one cares. :ohdear:

BongoBob
10-24-2008, 02:13 PM
Over 9000 hours of viewing, woot. Let's all try marathon running the extended edition series when The Hobbit Extended Edition comes out.

But I like living D:

Lynk Former
10-24-2008, 04:30 PM
But I like living D:
You'll live long enough to die in the end *points*

Sabretooth
10-25-2008, 04:23 AM
Pfft, leXX. You know the real thing to read to your kids is The Silmarillion.

As for the movie, I think it will fail as hard as the half-assed Lord of the Rings movies.

leXX
10-25-2008, 06:48 AM
Pfft, leXX. You know the real thing to read to your kids is The Silmarillion.

As for the movie, I think it will fail as hard as the half-assed Lord of the Rings movies.

Wow, I really couldn't disagree with you more. For one, The Simillarion is an adult book, The Hobbit is a childrens book, and saying the LotR Trilogy failed is ridiculous. It is comparable in quality only to the original Star Wars Trilogy and Aliens Trilogy, but hey, everyone is entitled to thier opinion.

Lynk Former
10-25-2008, 07:45 AM
Give him a break, leXX... he lives in India.



not cool, man. keep it nice, kay? :)
~Lj

Sabretooth
10-29-2008, 12:25 PM
Wow, I really couldn't disagree with you more. For one, The Simillarion is an adult book, The Hobbit is a childrens book, and saying the LotR Trilogy failed is ridiculous. It is comparable in quality only to the original Star Wars Trilogy and Aliens Trilogy, but hey, everyone is entitled to thier opinion.
The answer lies in the sarcasm.

leXX
10-29-2008, 12:45 PM
The answer lies in the sarcasm.

So are you saying you were being sarcastic?

Sabretooth
10-29-2008, 12:56 PM
So are you saying you were being sarcastic?
Yees.

tk102
10-29-2008, 03:33 PM
That's what I say when people disagree with me too.

IG-64
11-14-2008, 03:34 AM
Just saw this as a citation on wikipedia: 2006 interview with Guillermo del Toro (http://www.salon.com/ent/audiofile/2006/10/12/conversations_toro/)

I couldn't help thinking of Tolkien and C.S. Lewis in this film. Were you a fan of those books?

[Del Toro:] I was never into heroic fantasy. At all. I don't like little guys and dragons, hairy feet, hobbits -- I've never been into that at all. I don't like sword and sorcery, I hate all that stuff.

Ok, what the ****?

leXX
11-14-2008, 03:39 AM
O.o Um yeah, that doesn't exactly bode well does it. =/

MrWally
11-14-2008, 10:20 AM
Well. I hate math with a passion, yet I am beast at math.


What I mean is... He may not be a fan of stereotypical fantasies, but that doesn't suddenly make him a bad director. I'm sure he will put his heart and soul into any film he creates, and that's enough for me.

Pie™
11-14-2008, 10:30 AM
Well, Hellboy 2 was a flaming pile of garbage, so that doesn't really reassure me.

leXX
11-14-2008, 10:40 AM
Well, Hellboy 2 was a flaming pile of garbage, so that doesn't really reassure me.

I loved Hellboy 2.

Pie™
11-14-2008, 10:43 AM
Okay, I thought it was horrible. I nearly walked out of the theater at several occasions, and that usually never happens to me. I rather liked the first one though, for it's cheesy campyness, and Ron Perlman is awesome.

Pho3nix
11-14-2008, 01:35 PM
It's better than Lost in Translation though. :carms:

IG-64
04-18-2009, 10:49 PM
Bumpity: http://movies.ign.com/articles/974/974044p1.html

Finally, some clarification.

Totenkopf
04-19-2009, 05:43 AM
Based on the relative strength of the LOTR films, I'd give the Hobbit movies a chance. Course if means I'll probably have to reread the book to see what they change.

MrWally
04-19-2009, 05:52 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

I have complete faith in Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, and Guillermo del Toro.

And I am very glad they decided to split the book instead of opting for a "Bridge" film.

Jeff
04-19-2009, 06:27 PM
I also like to see them split it. While I think it would have been interesting to see what they could come up with for a bridge movie, splitting the Hobbit into two movies will make sure they don't cut anything noticeable out, hopefully.

MrWally
04-19-2009, 06:59 PM
I can't help but wonder if they will do Gollum the same was as they did in the LOTR series.

It isn't difficult for me to see del Toro completely redoing Gollum to match his vision, but then again the digital character for the LOTR series was so iconic and is so easily recognizable . . . I'm not so sure what he would do.

Hmmm . . .

Jeff
04-19-2009, 08:27 PM
Pretty sure Andy Serkis is reprising his role, so I'd think he would be done the same way he was done in LotR.

MrWally
04-19-2009, 09:41 PM
Ah yes. I knew that was rumored, but I had no idea if it had been finalized.

LordOfTheFish
04-19-2009, 09:57 PM
I have a slight suspicion they might just be better than LotR. Though if you want my opinion, FoR and RotK are on a different level than The Two Towers. But it was still a great film none the less.

IG-64
04-19-2009, 10:15 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

I have complete faith in Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, and Guillermo del Toro.

And I am very glad they decided to split the book instead of opting for a "Bridge" film.
Same here. I had a bad feeling about the whole "Tolkien's notes" thing, and I felt that going on such little amount of information for an entire movie was a bad idea.
I also like to see them split it. While I think it would have been interesting to see what they could come up with for a bridge movie, splitting the Hobbit into two movies will make sure they don't cut anything noticeable out, hopefully.
I think more along the lines of frightening than interesting. Tolkien made that his life. If filmmakers, no matter who they were, expounded on some notes with a large amount of new material just for a movie, there's a huge chance that would end badly.
I can't help but wonder if they will do Gollum the same was as they did in the LOTR series.

It isn't difficult for me to see del Toro completely redoing Gollum to match his vision, but then again the digital character for the LOTR series was so iconic and is so easily recognizable . . . I'm not so sure what he would do.

Hmmm . . .
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/899/899973p1.html

We naturally enquired if he planned on continuing with a CG Gollum: "Absolutely. I think that it worked perfectly on the [Lord of the Rings] trilogy and if it ain't broke, why fix it?"

Jeff
04-19-2009, 10:21 PM
I guess I thought a bridge film rather than two Hobbit movies would have been interesting is just because it'd be a new story rather than something where we already know what happens. Not that I am unhappy about that.