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Boba Rhett
01-19-2009, 01:46 AM
Do as the title says. List gaming views you have that you feel may be somewhat unpopular with most of the general gaming community.

Ground Rule: Feel more than free to comment on others views but keep it friendly or you're out of here. Seriously. They're just games.

I'll start this off.


Fallout 3: I love a lot about this game but the ending is unforgivable. Far worse than even Bioshock's ending. Someone really needs to start writing game scripts for Bethesda.

Mass Effect:, A fun game but how is it that Bioware took steps backward in almost every aspect when you compare this to what they accomplished in KotOR? Dialogue chains that pale in comparison to what we got in earlier stuff, boring weaponry (How many different guns does Mass Effect have? Four? And the upgrades are no fun at all.), and a lot of other aspects of this game just struck me as generic. Oh and, holy crap, I almost forgot to mention the Mako's driving around levels. I hope someone lost their job for that idea. Surprisingly, I didn't mind the fifty million elevators.

Super Smash Brothers (Any): Not fun. Very Annoying. Kill me now. Just do it.

Mario Kart (After the SNES version): Fun for a while until your rage manifests into a boiling pitch like substance which begins to seep out of your ears, coalescing on the floor into a small being with rudimentary motor skills which proceeds to scurry out the room to begin what surely must be an unholy work.

Oblivion: If played for the main quest and without any mods installed, this is one of the most boring games ever dreamed up by mankind.

Grand Theft Auto: I've tried to love this series. I've really tried but the only one of them I've had anything resembling "fun" in was III.

Halo 2 and 3: Meh. Hell, I haven't even finished Halo 3. Does that tell you enough?

The Force Unleashed: Sadly, this was one of the most fun games to come out in 2008. Despite it even heavily featuring Quick Time Events, which I believe to be a pox on game-kind.

Portal: This game surely must have been devised by some sort of cabal of Wizards. I still loves me some Portal.

Assassin's Creed: Is one of the more finely crafted games of the last decade.

Over-the-Side-Shoulder Camera Views: Ones like in the Gears of War games, Dead Space, etc. Yeah. Borderline unplayable. They're just god-awful. I cannot wait until games stop using them.

The Duke (Original Xbox Controller): Was and shall forever be the greatest game controller until neural and/or crotch interfaces are perfected.

Super Mario Bros. The Movie: I like it. I love it. I want some more of it.

Rogue15
01-19-2009, 02:30 AM
what was so great about goldeneye?

BongoBob
01-19-2009, 02:39 AM
Shadow of the Colossus: Probably one of the greatest game ideas ever, but god damnit some of the design choices just boggle me. For example, the hint system for when fighting a colossus. Either give me a better hint, or don't make me run around like a retard for 5 minutes before giving me the cryptic s***ty ones that you do give me. Also, **** the camera system, as well as whoever thought it was a good idea to let your chracters endurance run out and make you fall off.

That's probably the only one I really have atm.

As for the Hamburger/Duke controller, the main reason I liked it was for the thumbsticks. When I got my Xbox, I bought a used Duke from Gamestop, and I loved it, but it still didn't really feel quite right. Then I popped open my controllers and swapped the thumbsticks on em, and found out that an S-Type controller with the Duke thumbsticks was like a gift from god.

If I could find my old Xbox controller, I would honest to god grind down the plastic on the duke thumbsticks to make them work with the 360's controller :(

EDIT: oh god, me want ;_;

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb81/TeHBawNeY/DSC01737.jpg

RoxStar
01-19-2009, 12:19 PM
I like Portal and Left 4 Dead.

But... not that much.

:X

The Seeker
01-19-2009, 12:50 PM
I fail to see the draw of Gears of War. I bought this game for the PC when it was released and just couldn't get into it, so off it went to ebay. Then, I decided that the millions of people couldn't be wrong, and maybe it's just not made for PC, so I got it for xbox out of the bargain bin. Still, it just doesn't suck me in. It looks good. It SHOULD be fun, but that mystical thing that makes me play a game to completion is missing. So, my second copy of Gears is collecting dust.

Also, I never made it through the demo of Bioshock. Just didn't like it.

Darth Groovy
01-19-2009, 04:18 PM
Dead Rising. Great concept, Zombies+Shopping Mall = have fun?

No. What I get is load times. Lots and lots of load times. Several pieces of a puzzled script. No check points, and guess what, when you die, you start all over again. I hated it. Then I got a HDTV, and tried it again. I still hate it. Load your guns for my next rant:

Left 4 Dead.

This game was all over gaming community news as the be all/end all MP game of the decade. Again Zombies, but this time FPS action, and you have to work together to survive. Sounds great on paper, but playing the final product to me seemed more like a Half-Life 2 mod. Very generic, boring, and just not really that fun to play at all. Well it proved one thing. Zombies +Video games = teh suk. Shoot me. Do it!

Call of Duty: World At War

Call of Duty (teh first one) was at one point, my favorite online PC game. Call of Duty 2 was to die for on 360. Call of Duty 3 seemed like a paint by the numbers affair, and at this point, have we not done the WWII games too many times already? Call of Duty 4 had a really crappy MP game, but the SP game really sucked me in, and the modern combat graphics really raised the bar for all shooters. Now we get Call of Duty: World At War, and this time TA-DA! Back to WWII again! And this time, if you complete the game, you unlike a MP mode that involves guess what?....ZOMBIES!!! Now that is just capital! I refuse to rent, or play this game on general principals. Go ahead shoot me some more, I can no longer feel the pain!

Mass Effect:

I am done with Bio-Ware games. I guess this is either a love it or hate it thing. I tried Mass Effect, and I was instantly bored into a coma. Seriously, I was playing this game, and my eyes started wandering. I even nodded out a couple of times. I guess I just hate heavy text based RPGs. I would have more fun with one of those R.L. Stein books. I hear there is a Mass Effect 2 under development. I wonder if the collector's version comes with a pillow and some warm milk? Fire away, I don't care.

jon_hill987
01-19-2009, 04:31 PM
Fallout 3: I love a lot about this game but the ending is unforgivable. Far worse than even Bioshock's ending. Someone really needs to start writing game scripts for Bethesda.

I ended the game last night, yes, you heard right, I said "ended" rather than completed, this is because I got no sense of achievement from getting to the end of the game.
I couldn't agree with you more, I loved the game but the ending was just rubbish.
I just wrote a huge (and spoilerific) rant on another forum (CSC, top userbar in sig) about this.

Other game views I have that may prove unpopular is that GTA is boring drivel. There, said it. I haven't been able to do more than a few missions on any GTA game I have tried (mainly 1 and 3) before giving up out of boredom. Maybe IV is different, but I'm not even going to give it a go.

Oh, and Halo is hugely overrated. My brother tells me this is because I haven't played multiplayer, but if the only good part of the game is the MP, why not just play the even better Unreal Tournament?

Oh, and (sorry, they just keep popping into my head) consoles should stop trying to be PCs, they are not good at it. If you want a PC get a PC.

ET Warrior
01-19-2009, 04:53 PM
if the only good part of the game is the MP, why not just play the even better Unreal Tournament?Oooobviously since you've never played Halo multiplayer then you're qualified to make quantitative judgments about the superiority of Unreal Tournament over Halo. :dozey:

TiE23
01-19-2009, 05:01 PM
I may piss off a lot of people here. I'm not gonna make any excuses, these are my opinions so you can go cry in a corner for all I care if make fun of your favorite game. Also, get ready of a copious amount of 4 asterisks in a row. ****

In order of when I think of it:

Final Fantasy VII: Sucks and no one cares if you have a stiffy for Aeris/Cloud/Sephiroph.

Final Fantasy In General: Characters suck, gameplay sucks, story sucks, cliche and boring grind fests.

Super Smash Brothers: ****ty controls make this game damn near unplayable for me.

The Wii In General: Is poisoning our gaming culture. 40 million sold yet no one is buying any real games. We've got people being amazed by the graphics of Wii Sports' Golf courses, and they'll never know better.

Gears of War 1 and 2: Seriously, why does everyone piss themselves over that game?

Assassin's Creed: Repetitive my ass, people who don't like it have no imagination or interest in exploration. One of my favorite games.

Skate: Again, I've heard of people complaining about it's complexity, keeping them from 'doing anything cool', well then - you're obviously missing the point.

Mirror's Edge: People tore this game apart for being **** bungled in anger. I have to admit that fighting enemies was never that fun unless it was only one or two baddies at a time, but ****, I never got lost/stuck for more than a few minutes. I started the game with visual hints off, which made the game very organic feeling. And when you're in a flow, this game is ****ing fantastic.

Halo 2 and 3: Halo 1 was ****ing awesome. But it all went to **** in the two sequels.

World of Warcraft: **** IT. Okay, I can see how it may become a social thing for those who are really into it, but ****, that game ruins people. Also, you can get people arrested, so that's great, too.

Wind Waker: I love those ****ing graphics, I remember being one of the cel-shading haters, but dammit, when I eventually played it myself years later, I found out that the art design is fan-****ing-tastic. The next Zelda game should be like that!

BioShock: That game is ugly and so damn fake feeling. The art style is horrible, and the character design is ugly as sin. The gun fighting is horrible. The game is over rated as all hell.

Edit:

Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts: Don't listen to da haters, that game is solid!

jon_hill987
01-19-2009, 05:05 PM
Oooobviously since you've never played Halo multiplayer then you're qualified to make quantitative judgments about the superiority of Unreal Tournament over Halo. :dozey:

I have played some. Maybe half an hour of Halo 2 MP, it seemed pretty standard to me.
It just seems to me that if the MP is the only bit people like (as my brother says when defending Halo) then why include a single player game when they could have spent the resources developing better MP. The Single player (which I did play through a fair few missions of halo 2 (once I got the hang of that stupid controller)) is definitely very poor, well below the standards I have come to expect from a shooter (but then I play most of my games on PC so what do you expect).

These opinions are meant to be controversial aren't they?

Da_man
01-19-2009, 05:18 PM
In order of when I think of it:

Gears of War 1 and 2: Seriously, why does everyone piss themselves over that game?

My sentiments exactly.

Assassin's Creed: Repetitive my ass, people who don't like it have no imagination or interest in exploration. One of my favorite games. Exactly. One of my favorite parts of thew game was swan diving off of a 300-foot tall chapel, and living to tell the tale by landing in a hay bale. Awesome.

Mirror's Edge: People tore this game apart for being **** bungled in anger. I have to admit that fighting enemies was never that fun unless it was only one or two baddies at a time, but ****, I never got lost/stuck for more than a few minutes. I started the game with visual hints off, which made the game very organic feeling. And when you're in a flow, this game is ****ing fantastic.
Combat is a little awkward, but otherwise, awesome in general.

World of Warcraft: **** IT. Okay, I can see how it may become a social thing for those who are really into it, but ****, that game ruins people. Also, you can get people arrested, so that's great, too.

Jeez, where do I begin with this? I know people who do nothing but sit and play WoW for days on end, until they have to get off thier fat butts and, you know, eat. Breathe. Exercise and keep your heart from clogging with Doritos. Sadly enough, I go to a school for nerds, and even there, the fat guys who play WoW and nothing else are teased for playing it.


Oblivion: If played for the main quest and without any mods installed, this is one of the most boring games ever dreamed up by mankind.
However, with mods, it becomes very, very, VERY awesome.

Halo 2 and 3: Meh. Hell, I haven't even finished Halo 3. Does that tell you enough?
I liked Halo 3, but the people who play it made me stop out of sheer stupidity.
I stopped playing H3 4 months ago because there are too many retarded ten-year-olds asking me to stop playing the game to help them get achievements. Then there are just retards in general, people don't play and take up a spot on the server, and then there are the people, who for some reason, are playing the game and telling people to go play something else. Once you get around these idiots, the multiplayer becomes really fun.

Though this may/may not be gamer suicide, but any Sonic game made after Sonic Adventure 1 (read: 3D) is absolute crap. SA1 was kinda buggy, and Tails was lame, but it had good music and it was playable.

Commander Obi-Wan
01-19-2009, 05:31 PM
I loved Gears 1 and 2, can't wait for 3.

I don't really get all the hype of Halo. Tried playing it and couldn't get interested.

Assassin's Creed was great in all, but it's too repetitive. Though, gameplay is good nonetheless.

BioShock is easily my favourite rental game. I don't think I've had more fun with any game that I've rented.

Vikinor
01-19-2009, 07:00 PM
The Halo and Gears of War series are very overrated. Not saying I don't like the games, just that they are overrated.

Left 4 Dead. Great game if you play with friends who you know well, can play seriously and just mess around with. Terrible game if you play with people who you don't know and don't talk.

World of Warcraft. I loved it before the Burning Crusade. Now I just want it to end. I don't think it's a bad game, it has just lost its "pizzaz" to me.

Anthony
01-19-2009, 08:16 PM
Halo 2/3 - **** it. boring as ****.

World of Warcraft - Hearing people bring up this game, unless bashing, enrages me. I cannot believe how ****ing boring/lame this game is and can't understand why people can play it.

GTA IV - Apparently people don't like this one as much as the previous ones, but I still think its the best since GTA II

Nintendo DS - Sorry, I can't look at this thing without thinking "horrible gimmick". I also cant say anything good for the games for it either, although I've never really been a portable gaming person (unless you count being like 9 years old etc)

Ported, relatively new games. I'm sorry, but I dont really like the idea of recycled content. With a few exceptions, but in general, nahhh.

Guitar Hero/ Rock Band, sans friends - I'm sure some of you are about to combust but i find these games generally ****ing boring.

Call of Duty 3/4/5 - Old. Call of Duty 4 was fun online with friends for a bit then became increasingly boring. Now I hate the game. 5 I'm not even bothering with.

Gears of War 1/2 - Over the shoulder perspective - **** that.

Steam - Everyone always complains about steam, I love steam.

FPS games on consoles in general - Mouse/Keyboard = better. I will not argue about this.

Force Unleashed - My friend had this game, I played it for a bit, and found it intensely boring. Same goes for Fable 2.

New games in general - Maybe its just me, but they seem to be getting less and less interesting and more and more hyped.

Da_man
01-19-2009, 09:41 PM
Call of Duty 3/4/5 - Old. Call of Duty 4 was fun online with friends for a bit then became increasingly boring. Now I hate the game. 5 I'm not even bothering with.

3 sucked, 4 was sort of original and fun for a time, and 5 is just the 4 engine with WWII guns.

Steam - Everyone always complains about steam, I love steam.

Steam is awesome, it's like Xbox Live on your computer. It only screws with hackers and the like. I personally love it.

New games in general - Maybe its just me, but they seem to be getting less and less interesting and more and more hyped.

Agreed.

TiE23
01-19-2009, 10:03 PM
Uhhh... Da_Man... are you gonna put your own opinions or just comment on ours? : P

Lightsaberboy
01-19-2009, 10:04 PM
i thought pong was stupid. the graphics were lame and it got really boring really fast. the multiplayer wasn't all that either.
>_>
<_<
:D

Hermie
01-19-2009, 10:37 PM
Left 4 Dead.

This game was all over gaming community news as the be all/end all MP game of the decade. Again Zombies, but this time FPS action, and you have to work together to survive. Sounds great on paper, but playing the final product to me seemed more like a Half-Life 2 mod. Very generic, boring, and just not really that fun to play at all. Well it proved one thing. Zombies +Video games = teh suk. Shoot me. Do it!
I saw you calling this out in the Very Good Thread, and I was wondering, did you play with 3 other friends? Because that makes all the difference in the world. Of course, to have that as a prerequisite to have fun in a game could be a fault in itself, but me and my regular crew enjoy the hell out of it, and have been playing it since it came out.

Da_man
01-19-2009, 11:21 PM
Uhhh... Da_Man... are you gonna put your own opinions or just comment on ours? : P

I did. I said that any 3D Sonic game after Sonic Adventure 1 was crap. But that might not be controversial at all. But I did think SA1 was pretty good. At the very least it was playable.

MrWally
01-19-2009, 11:50 PM
I am now going to comment on other people's opinions and games they have mentioned.

Super Smash Bros. - I find this series very, very enjoyable. I've never owned a Nintendo console, but for months after one of these games come out I'll be playing it for hours with my friends well into the night. It is one of the most balanced fighting games I've ever played, the level design is very enjoyable, and I don't understand what everyone's gripe is about the controls--they're fine. A is a normal melee hit, B is a special. Pressing the stick in different directions changes the move. That's pretty much all there is to it.

Steam - Best thing to hit PC Gaming that I can remember. It's the only form of anti-piracy that I condone, and thus the only PC games I've bought in recent history have been bought through steam. The downloads are fast, the interface is slick and simple, the friends system works, the voice chat is nice, it is very lightweight, which is a great plus.

Call of Duty 2&4 - Loved them. Especially 4. The Single Player, at least. I've never played MP CoD, but that's not important. CoD4 is one of the most immersive shooters I've ever played. I'm a total audiophile, and turning off the lights and cranking up the surround sound is an incredible experience. The storyline is intriguing, and I actually started caring about the main characters, even though there isn't really any actual character development.

Final Fantasy VII - Great game. Highly enjoyable, and excellent for its time. Was it the best Final Fantasy game? Hell no. I know most people disagree with me for this, but I loved FF8. I thought the characters were much more enjoyable, but more importantly I loved the Junction system. The concept of drawing magic from enemies and then equipping it to your stats was ingenious, and I think it was infinitely better than having Magic Points. But most importantly, I've never cared about Characters like I did during Final Fantasy 8. Aries' death in FF7 didn't really bother me. But when Rinoa goes cold for that portion of disc 3 in FF8 I was in agony.

Grand Theft Auto: I haven't played GTA4 yet. So I can't comment much on that, but I think it looks fantastic. As for the others, I played countless hours of San Andreas and I love it to death. The RPG elements were included very nicely, but much more importantly the game was just incredibly entertaining. Its easily one of the funniest games I've ever played. Period.

Portal: Pure gold. I loved every second of this game. Honestly, if you haven't played Portal yet, hop on Steam, download it (see? that's why I love Steam so much!), and start playing.

Every Valve Game Ever Released: Buy them. Now. Sames goes with Blizzard (Minus WoW. That will steal your life).

Halo(s): Fun. I spent countless hours playing mp with my friends on the original, but I agree with Jon Hill completely when I say that Unreal Tournament will always beat Halo.
The guns, the pacing, the level design, just about everything. Then again, it also depends on what you are looking for. If you don't want an all out, ridiculously fast paced shooting spree, you won't care for UT. In those cases I usually turn to Counterstrike, not Halo.

Well, that's all I got for now, really. But to be honest I've been playing a lot less video games recently. It's become harder and harder for me to finish games. I pick them up, get really excited for a few hours then stop (like with the new Prince of Persia), or I don't have the will to get past a long-winded tutorial. It actually kind of sucks :/

Rogue15
01-19-2009, 11:51 PM
halo 3 got flooded with whiny teenagers who have nothing better to do than tell someone they suck at it.

Jeff
01-20-2009, 12:23 AM
I'm not a huge fan of the GTA series. Really I find some of the gameplay to be pretty shallow. I have not tried GTA IV yet and I'd like to still try it because maybe it is better in the areas where I didn't care for the other games as much but overall the series doesn't do that much for me.

I have only recently got a 360 so haven't played much but I think Halo 3 is a pretty enjoyable online game even though I suck compared to the people who play online nonstop, campaign was alright since I played it co-op too. Nothing really groundbreaking but the maps and weapons and overall gameplay I could see why people play it so much.

Assassin's Creed - I agree with some of you in this thread, an excellent game and one of my favorite games of the past couple years. Don't care if the gameplay is repetitive as it's fun enough to keep me interested, and there is so much you can do besides the main storyline.

Tomb Raider - I think each game has gotten better in the most recent trilogy, and all 3 of them being better than any previous TR game with Underworld as the best TR game yet. I could just not get the controls and camera down in the early TR games, and while yes the camera is still a pain in the ass, I think the overall gameplay has improved by a ton. To be honest I don't know how the franchise has survived long enough to get to where it is as the old games like TR2 and Angel of Darkness suck.

Wii - Still the best console out of the 3 current gen consoles, but so much potential gone to waste. One could have the argument all day long about whether the console itself makes it best or the games on it and I can look at it from both ways I suppose. Only looking at the console the Wii is the best, it is just unfortunate we get all this shovelware **** being released by Ubisoft and every other company out there for your grandparents and teenage girls. If developers took the Wii seriously and made exclusive third party titles for it it would start to rival the 360 and PS3 in the core/hardcore gamer market. But looking at the games, while Wii definitely has some great ones, 360 wins by far.

Star Wars Battlefront 2 - I could go on all day about what I don't like about this game. I'll just copypasta some of my post from Ahto.
Most of this is very little but it really detracts from it I think.
- Jumping. I do not think the apprentice could even jump as high as the Jedi can jump in BF, and it's ridiculous for clone troopers to be able to jump better than an NBA player. Even droids can jump that high!
- Music. Sometimes it plays appropriate tracks but I think the one that bugs me the most is in the Mos Eisley map, it plays the Cantina theme which sounds ridiculous during a battle.
- Heroes battle. I do not like that you can have Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader in the same battle. Or any characters that do not make sense being together.
- Space battles. Overall I'm sure the space combat is alright, but again little things bug me, like how you can pilot a droid starfighter, when the ship itself is a droid, there is no pilot.
I could go on and on about this stuff but these are the ones that bug me the most.

These are off the top of my head but if I can think of any more I'll post them.

ET Warrior
01-20-2009, 02:28 AM
did you play with 3 other friends?I did, and I still hated it.

TiE23
01-20-2009, 02:30 AM
I did, and I still hated it.

I knew I should have bargained for a lower price... dammit...

Rogue15
01-20-2009, 02:32 AM
=\ i convinced my boss' son to buy cod4:mw instead of cod:waw. :joy:

BongoBob
01-20-2009, 03:56 AM
I have played some. Maybe half an hour of Halo 2 MP, it seemed pretty standard to me.
It just seems to me that if the MP is the only bit people like (as my brother says when defending Halo) then why include a single player game when they could have spent the resources developing better MP. The Single player (which I did play through a fair few missions of halo 2 (once I got the hang of that stupid controller)) is definitely very poor, well below the standards I have come to expect from a shooter (but then I play most of my games on PC so what do you expect).

These opinions are meant to be controversial aren't they?

The MP isn't the only bit people like. Some people (like me) actually liked the SP. No, it wasn't anything particularly groundbreaking or well done as say CoD4 (which I still hold as the best SP campaign anywhere), but I still enjoyed it.

However, this specific part of your post bugs the living hell out of me...

(but then I play most of my games on PC so what do you expect).

So here's my 2 cents. I hate the PC as a platform for gaming. Because it produces people like you who come across as extremely smug and arrogant simply because "i play on PC."

EDIT: Also...

Jeez, where do I begin with this? I know people who do nothing but sit and play WoW for days on end, until they have to get off thier fat butts and, you know, eat. Breathe. Exercise and keep your heart from clogging with Doritos. Sadly enough, I go to a school for nerds, and even there, the fat guys who play WoW and nothing else are teased for playing it.

Cause you know, everyone that plays WoW is a Dorito gourging lardass, and there's no way it's only a small percentage of players ¬_¬

EnderWiggin
01-20-2009, 05:06 AM
Guitar Hero/ Rock Band, sans friends - I'm sure some of you are about to combust but i find these games generally ****ing boring.

Oh, I so agree with this.

Guitar Hero != fun.

_EW_

Pie™
01-20-2009, 07:57 AM
I saw you calling this out in the Very Good Thread, and I was wondering, did you play with 3 other friends? Because that makes all the difference in the world. Of course, to have that as a prerequisite to have fun in a game could be a fault in itself, but me and my regular crew enjoy the hell out of it, and have been playing it since it came out.

Even though there are certain weak links. :xp:

When playing it with some guys from SA, I kept screwing up and they made fun of me. :(

Darth Groovy
01-20-2009, 08:48 AM
I did, and I still hated it.

What he said. I played with my usual crew of idiots, and I still hate it.

Pho3nix
01-20-2009, 12:44 PM
Left 4 Dead.

This game was all over gaming community news as the be all/end all MP game of the decade. Again Zombies, but this time FPS action, and you have to work together to survive. Sounds great on paper, but playing the final product to me seemed more like a Half-Life 2 mod. Very generic, boring, and just not really that fun to play at all. Well it proved one thing. Zombies +Video games = teh suk. Shoot me. Do it!

*Shoots*

You are strange. :loco:

Though I probably am too since I never really got into Guitar Hero. Also, Guild Wars. You can't jump.

IG-64
01-20-2009, 01:04 PM
I hate all MMOs. They all have the same structure, and it's terrible. People play them because that's the only thing that's out there, and it could be so much better. Not even from a technology standpoint, there are so many pure gameplay decisions that should be different. People do an amazing job creating the enormous worlds, stories, programming, and support for these games, but it's still just the inability to break from the same used formula that keeps MMOs down.

Also, **** The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and it's horrible leveling system.

Jeff
01-20-2009, 01:25 PM
Also, Guild Wars. You can't jump.YES. Jumping is an integral part of any MMO experience!

jon_hill987
01-20-2009, 01:39 PM
So here's my 2 cents. I hate the PC as a platform for gaming. Because it produces people like you who come across as extremely smug and arrogant simply because "i play on PC."

I only added that for effect due to the nature of this thread, we are supposed to be provoking a response aren't we?, it wasn't a proper opinion (though I still think that for certain types of games you can't beat a PC)

I think that there are far more people who are smug and arrogant because they have a . In my experience it seems to be the PS3 crowd, they seem to home in on any blog posting about how the wii is doing well and say things like "teh wii is suck coz it is a toy". SO IS THE PS3! Get over it!

DISCLAIMER: I in no way mean [i]all PS3 owners!

leXX
01-20-2009, 02:05 PM
My 2 cents.

People will never agree on what makes a good or bad game because we all like different things. This is why I never buy a game based on reviews or other peoples opinions, but my interest in it. I personally don't give a crap if anyone here hates the games I like. If I like them and I've enjoyed them, then that's all that matters.

BongoBob
01-20-2009, 02:19 PM
I only added that for effect due to the nature of this thread, we are supposed to be provoking a response aren't we?, it wasn't a proper opinion (though I still think that for certain types of games you can't beat a PC)

I think that there are far more people who are smug and arrogant because they have a . In my experience it seems to be the PS3 crowd, they seem to home in on any blog posting about how the wii is doing well and say things like "teh wii is suck coz it is a toy". SO IS THE PS3! Get over it!

DISCLAIMER: I in no way mean [i]all PS3 owners!

I don't know if I'd say there's more smug arrogant PS3 owners than PC gamers, but maybe that's just cause I've had to deal with the "Superior PC crowd" for far longer than the PS3 ones.

IG-64
01-20-2009, 02:29 PM
My 2 cents.

People will never agree on what makes a good or bad game because we all like different things. This is why I never buy a game based on reviews or other peoples opinions, but my interest in it. I personally don't give a crap if anyone here hates the games I like. If I like them and I've enjoyed them, then that's all that matters.
QFE

Boba Rhett
01-20-2009, 02:39 PM
Despite the crap final boss and useless moral system, I unabashedly desire to carry Bioshock's babies. :carms:

TiE23
01-20-2009, 04:31 PM
I copy pasta'd this thread Boba onto another forum. I posted it late last night, got like 3 responses before going to bed. Check today and it's got over 170.

http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=678493
(I don't know what it looks like to un-registered people, so yeah...)

Det. Bart Lasiter
01-20-2009, 05:05 PM
tie i was disappointed to see you arent a member of the hentai group

Rogue15
01-20-2009, 09:42 PM
My 2 cents.

People will never agree on what makes a good or bad game because we all like different things. This is why I never buy a game based on reviews or other peoples opinions, but my interest in it. I personally don't give a crap if anyone here hates the games I like. If I like them and I've enjoyed them, then that's all that matters.

damn right.

FoCom did bad, mainly because of the camera controls, but i thought it was EASY to get into that game. one of the best, at least visually before EAW.

Turok Evolution is the cause of Acclaim's downfall, but i loved that game as well (so many weapons and the intensity NEVER LET UP).

DarthAve
01-20-2009, 09:45 PM
Once you get to a high level of Viva Pinata, I found it unfortuniate that all my animals would not stop killing one another no matter how much I tried to intervine, until I ended up with a hazlenut tree, a whirlm, and Seedos running around barefoot.

&Rhett, trufax on the Mako in Mass Effect. I ran that thing into a ditch like, 12 times and I have pretty much been on 2 planets. =/

Anthony
01-20-2009, 10:56 PM
Once you get to a high level of Viva Pinata, I found it unfortuniate that all my animals would not stop killing one another no matter how much I tried to intervine, until I ended up with a hazlenut tree, a whirlm, and Seedos running around barefoot.

How much acid do you take on a regular basis?


(actually, i hadnt a clue what in gods name you were talking about since i didnt read "viva pinata")

leXX
01-21-2009, 04:32 AM
DLC's piss me off, especially those released only a couple of months after the retail release. No reason they couldn't be included in the original game if they are made that close to the release date. It's just another way to rip people off. I was very dissapointed with the "Bring Down the Sky" and "Knothole Island" DLC's. Both provided only a couple of hours of game play, and were definately not worth the money. Especially annoying and just plain wrong, is exclusive DLC on a particular platform for a multi-platform game. One of the reasons Tomb Raider Underworld didn't sell well was because of the exclusive DLC. Alot of people boycotted buying the game because the DLC will be 360 only, and they are right to do so. Big mistake.

WoW bashing. World of Warcraft is an absolutely awesome game. It sucks you in and doesn't let go, which is a testament to how brilliant it is. Yes it is addictive, and yes addiction is bad, but that is the problem of the individual. If people can't control the amount of time they play it, it's not the games fault. Noone is pointing a gun to their head. I was lucky enough to break myself away from it, but I miss it, badly. And by the way, I'm not fat, I don't eat tons of doritos, I don't have spots, I wash etc etc. I really hate everyone grouping WoW players into some kind of sub-human species. In general WoW players are quite normal, and indeed extremely intelligent. I'm telling you it takes alot of skill to play it to a high standard in a top guild.

Rogue15
01-21-2009, 11:47 AM
yeah......paying for dlc sucks.

BongoBob
01-21-2009, 01:26 PM
WoW bashing. World of Warcraft is an absolutely awesome game. It sucks you in and doesn't let go, which is a testament to how brilliant it is. Yes it is addictive, and yes addiction is bad, but that is the problem of the individual. If people can't control the amount of time they play it, it's not the games fault. Noone is pointing a gun to their head. I was lucky enough to break myself away from it, but I miss it, badly. And by the way, I'm not fat, I don't eat tons of doritos, I don't have spots, I wash etc etc. I really hate everyone grouping WoW players into some kind of sub-human species. In general WoW players are quite normal, and indeed extremely intelligent. I'm telling you it takes alot of skill to play it to a high standard in a top guild.

QFE.

Det. Bart Lasiter
01-21-2009, 06:31 PM
bdts was free for pc :cool:

Darth Groovy
01-22-2009, 02:03 AM
DLC's piss me off, especially those released only a couple of months after the retail release. No reason they couldn't be included in the original game if they are made that close to the release date. It's just another way to rip people off. I was very dissapointed with the "Bring Down the Sky" and "Knothole Island" DLC's. Both provided only a couple of hours of game play, and were definately not worth the money. Especially annoying and just plain wrong, is exclusive DLC on a particular platform for a multi-platform game. One of the reasons Tomb Raider Underworld didn't sell well was because of the exclusive DLC. Alot of people boycotted buying the game because the DLC will be 360 only, and they are right to do so. Big mistake.

WoW bashing. World of Warcraft is an absolutely awesome game. It sucks you in and doesn't let go, which is a testament to how brilliant it is. Yes it is addictive, and yes addiction is bad, but that is the problem of the individual. If people can't control the amount of time they play it, it's not the games fault. Noone is pointing a gun to their head. I was lucky enough to break myself away from it, but I miss it, badly. And by the way, I'm not fat, I don't eat tons of doritos, I don't have spots, I wash etc etc. I really hate everyone grouping WoW players into some kind of sub-human species. In general WoW players are quite normal, and indeed extremely intelligent. I'm telling you it takes alot of skill to play it to a high standard in a top guild.

Wow Rhett, started like my new favorite thread....I bow to thee? :worship:

leXX makes some valid points here, and I would like to expand on them if I may. DLC. I am not going to dump on that, because I don't think DLC is a bad idea. It depends only on the particular download content we are speaking of. Also, not all DLC has a price tag. Some of it is free, and some of it comes at a fee, and becomes free later. It's not really that different from PC games if you think about it. How many times did you buy a PC game thinking it was all that, and then a few years later, it becomes abandonware (I nab that term from my buddy acdcfanbill....thanks buddeh!) that you can download anywhere for nothing with nothing to worry about. In my personal opinion, DLC expands the life of a game. The biggest example is Halo 3. This game came out almost 2 years ago. I can't keep it in stock. Assassin's Creed came out a year ago, and it is THE MOST top traded in game in my store, because once you finish the game, and achieve all the points, there is absolutely no replay value to the game what so ever. At one point, my store had nearly 100 used copies for 360 alone. DLC seems to be a double edged sword. At one point DLC for Rainbow Six Vegas was free. And it expanded the life of that game so much that I played with my usual gang of idiots all the way up until the day that Rainbow Six Vegas 2 came out. NOW there has been absolutely no DLC for RSV2 other than some lame patches for the existing game. And many of us are disappointed. Now in regards to Rock Band 2, where is the problem? You have the choice to download songs that interest you to expand your library. And having already been a fan of music games such as Karaoke Revolution, Rock Band 2 owns them all in the form of DLC, because it expands on the DLC on top of the content that you could import from Rock Band 1. Brilliant!

Now my piece on MMOs. I can only say so much, because I have never been a part of an MMO. Why have I never been a part of one? I refuse to pay monthly fees for a game I already bought. I don't mind paying for DLC, because it is only one fee. YES, I do pay for xbox live, but I can play ALL my games on that service. Games like WoW, you buy the game, then you have to pay $15 a month to continue to play that game. LAME. For that reason, I never took part of Star Wars Galaxies. I really was excited about that game, but I refused to spend that money just to continue to play that game. In my opinion, that was absurd. Also, most of these games fail. Galaxies failed. Matrix online (another game that interested me) failed. Tabula Rossa failed. Shall I go on? Now. I understand why WoW is still so popular. You pay the server fees, and you have content that is always changing. It is cool to go online with your buddies and raid something, and then find something else to go and raid. I get it. I still refuse to be a part of it. WoW has a subscription bass of 10 million online. Ouch! I will not contest that. I have customers that enter my building first thing in the morning, and they are like drug addicts. Tapping the vein, "I need a WoW card?!" They are hooked. Will this really last? It has held out for almost 4 years now. A lot of people were addicted to Everquest for the same reason. WoW has captured that audience for the time being. They keep it by releasing expansions, and changing the servers. When you have an install bass that large, things like that are easy. I dunno. I am hearing about a Star Wars Knights of the old Republic type MMO. Good luck. It will still take a great deal to get my cheap ass to come into the fold.

IG-64
01-22-2009, 07:06 PM
Why anyone would pick a controller over keyboard and mouse for a first-person game is beyond me. It's like trying to beat Super Mario Bros without thumbs.

Q
01-22-2009, 07:15 PM
With the slight exception of HotU, NWN sucked balls. Story, dialogue, graphics and engine.

TiE23
01-22-2009, 08:20 PM
Wow Rhett, started like my new favorite thread....I bow to thee? :worship:

*Wall of text*

Guild Wars was special cause it didn't have a monthly subscription, which I liked. The game is a little old now, but I did enjoy that one.

IG-64
01-22-2009, 08:31 PM
Guild Wars was special cause it didn't have a monthly subscription, which I liked. The game is a little old now, but I did enjoy that one.
Same here. It was more like glorified small-scale multiplayer, but hey, it worked. I really liked the travel aspect of it, and the environments were great. The only thing about Guild Wars was that, since I didn't like the pvp, once all the quests and the main adventure were over, it was over. But that's ok, because since there was no monthly fee, it was more than worth the money. I look forward to the next one.

MrWally
01-22-2009, 10:01 PM
I have multiple friends that have put several thousand hours each into Guild Wars. Their level of commitment is ridiculous. While I will say that I enjoyed it, I can't get into any video game like that, even an MMO. I don't have anything against them, and for some people they're fine, but not me.

Rogue15
01-22-2009, 10:07 PM
mmos cost you everything...including your very soul....