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WindraSkywalker
01-19-2009, 03:18 AM
which ship do you think would win in a battle, the ravager or the leviathan?

Chevron 7 locke
01-19-2009, 03:30 AM
I'm thinking...the Ravanger, it's much bigger then the Leviathan and it had more weapons I believe

SW01
01-19-2009, 03:34 AM
Based on an Interdictor-class Cruiser (Leviathan) against a Centurion-class Battlecruiser (Ravager), probably the latter. The individual ships themelves, if Nihilus was not at the helm of Ravager, it could probably be picked apart easily - it was falling apart, and technically un-spaceworthy, after all.

WindraSkywalker
01-19-2009, 04:00 AM
But wasn't the leviathan malak!s flagship? wasn't it bigger than the average sith fleet cruisers? also it has awesome firepower, taris was destroyed in just a few minutes,

SW01
01-19-2009, 04:32 AM
But wasn't the leviathan malak!s flagship? wasn't it bigger than the average sith fleet cruisers? also it has awesome firepower, taris was destroyed in just a few minutes,

It seems that the Centurion class was about twice the size of the other one. Also, Malak's fleet levelled Taris, not one ship. ;)

jrrtoken
01-19-2009, 09:28 AM
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/f0/Ravagerboom.jpg

See the ship on fire? That's the Ravager. See the ships off to the side? Those are Leviathans. Ravager > Leviathan.

Darth Hord
01-19-2009, 12:20 PM
But wasn't the leviathan malak!s flagship? wasn't it bigger than the average sith fleet cruisers? also it has awesome firepower, taris was destroyed in just a few minutes,


The Leviathan was the same size as all other ships of its class, and it wasn't just the Leviathan that glassed Taris. The cutscenes (Admiral Saul) states that there was a fleet of ships (probably other interdictors) that participated glassing of Taris.

Blix
01-19-2009, 06:03 PM
The Ravager would literally devour the Leviathan...yes it's THAT big.

Thespair
01-20-2009, 08:24 AM
Hello there :)
If I remeber well, Ravager was some sort of flying wreck. Only Nihilus held it in one piece, didn't he? Besides, Ravager was rather sort of transport to Nihilus then battleship.
Leviathan>Ravager

TKA-001
01-20-2009, 08:59 AM
If that was true, why did they have to sabotage the ship instead of just destroy it with the Republic fleet that was there?

Blix
01-20-2009, 04:34 PM
If that was true, why did they have to sabotage the ship instead of just destroy it with the Republic fleet that was there?

True, true.

Darth Avlectus
01-21-2009, 10:34 PM
How about if ravager were whole??? Just a battle of the two.

Ravager looks like it might between that of a star destroyer and a super star destroyer.

Not eactly sure how big Leviathan or any other ship produced by the star forge actually was in comparison.

Size is one determining factor, but others are:
-weaponry on board which I'm not sure has been determined for ravager, however we have for leviathan
-armor and such
-on board systems to compensate for damage
-manuverability


None of which I am too awfully informed about, so I leave it to whom ever to find info and debate away.

Carry on. :)

Da_man
01-21-2009, 11:01 PM
Leviathan. Just because the Ravager was literally held together by sheer will and Force duct tape. Besides, I wouldn't put my life in the hands of a crew of zombies.

Rev7
01-21-2009, 11:03 PM
^
QFE

Darth Avlectus
01-22-2009, 04:01 AM
Why do I even bother? :)

DarthYuugi
01-22-2009, 11:13 AM
The Ravager was not destroyed when the Exile kills Nihlihus so the Ravager must have been able to hold together
Right. ?

Anyways my bet is the Leviathan would win

In my opinion when playing the game it was a lot bigger and blew up Taris and Dantooine

Just my Opinion

GarfieldJL
01-22-2009, 11:56 AM
Leviathan would probably win due to the fact it wasn't being held together by chewing gum... Seriously Ravenger had corridors that were completely collapsed.

Ctrl Alt Del
01-22-2009, 04:52 PM
In my opinion when playing the game it was a lot bigger and blew up Taris and Dantooine
So the Leviathan blew Dantooine up on K1, the very same planet that's glued together, it seems, on the second game?

Cattpride
01-22-2009, 05:07 PM
Sorry guys, but it appears that the Ravager is TWICE as long as the Ravager. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Centurion-class_battlecruiser

Besides that, the Ravager is highly corrupted by the Dark Side, and is being held together by the force. Malak ain't got nothing on that!

Da_man
01-22-2009, 09:22 PM
Sorry guys, but it appears that the Ravager is TWICE as long as the Ravager. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Centurion-class_battlecruiser

LOWUT?

WindraSkywalker
01-23-2009, 09:07 AM
The leviathan would win because they got better man power, there's saul karath too one of the best.. the ravager only got zombies. plus the leviathan looks cooler

SW01
01-23-2009, 09:49 AM
It seems that the Centurion class was about twice the size of the other one.

Once again...:rolleyes:

Also, we only saw a drained bridge crew on Ravager. The other soldiers, officers, commandoes and dark Jedi aboard seemed normal. Also, it stands to reason that a vessel twice the size of Leviathan would have many more hands.

And, as I said above:

Ravager, sans Nihilus, would likely be destroyed by Leviathan. Ravager was not 'spaceworthy.' With Nihilus aboard...possibly not.

Centurion-class would very probably take the Interdictor-class easily enough, if the tradition of bigger ship = greater firepower and heavier armour holds true. But then, depending on the commander...

plus the leviathan looks cooler

QFT

TKA-001
01-23-2009, 09:59 AM
Centurion-class would very probably take the Interdictor-class easily enough, if the tradition of bigger ship = greater firepower and heavier armour holds true. But then, depending on the commander...
The KOTOR Campaign guide spells out a definitively superior armament for the Centurion-class battlecruiser. Also, you're making the hypothetical situation look more complicated than it is. When one lone ship is pitted against another lone ship which is considerably more powerful, then unless it has some ridiculously random weakness, the bigger ship is going to win.

Besides, Ravager was rather sort of transport to Nihilus then battleship.
Which is why we see it directly leading the attack on Telos, right?

SW01
01-23-2009, 10:08 AM
The KOTOR Campaign guide spells out a definitively superior armament for the Centurion-class battlecruiser...When one lone ship is pitted against another lone ship which is considerably more powerful, then unless it has some ridiculously random weakness, the bigger ship is going to win.

Quite true. That's what I was getting at, really. Sorry if it didn't come through that well. ;)

My other point related to the particulars of Ravager v Leviathan.

Khadmus
01-30-2009, 05:35 PM
When one lone ship is pitted against another lone ship which is considerably more powerful, then unless it has some ridiculously random weakness, the bigger ship is going to win.


Exactly. The Ravager is bigger, more powerful, and better armed/manned. It will win unless it has a ridiculous random weakness - such as, for example, Darth Nihilus not being present. That's a loss of a commander, a severe loss of durability, and many other things that the Leviathan could easily take advantage of to win.

TKA-001
01-30-2009, 06:25 PM
Exactly. The Ravager is bigger, more powerful, and better armed/manned. It will win unless it has a ridiculous random weakness - such as, for example, Darth Nihilus not being present. That's a loss of a commander, a severe loss of durability, and many other things that the Leviathan could easily take advantage of to win.
But what if the Leviathan has only one crewmember aboard, while the other vessel has a standard-sized crew? If that was the case, then the Ravager would certainly win. Therefore, the Ravager is the more capable vessel of the two.

R2-X2
02-06-2009, 07:37 PM
I think the Leviathan, too. It's not flying, star-destroyer formed junk *-*, and it has the better crew.

Remember: We're speaking about Leviathan and Ravager, and not about an Interdictor-Class and an Centurion-Class Ship.

Arcesious
02-06-2009, 09:51 PM
Leviathon wins. Rapidfire turbolasers on it's port and broadsides, tons of fightercraft in carriage, high tech alien technology...

The Ravager is a scrapheap. Knock out Ravager's shields and every living thing inside is dead. It's got too many hull breaches.

Rtas Vadum
02-06-2009, 10:43 PM
Leviathon wins. Rapidfire turbolasers on it's port and broadsides, tons of fightercraft in carriage, high tech alien technology...

The Ravager is a scrapheap. Knock out Ravager's shields and every living thing inside is dead. It's got too many hull breaches.

Actually, even though many of the Interdictor-class cruisers in the Sith fleet were made by the Star Forge, it is likely that the Leviathan wasn't. And i would think that the Interdictor class ships made by the Star Forge are made just like those that where made before Revan and Malak took control of the Star Forge.

And considering the two on opposite sides of a battle, it would seriously all come down to the ships captains, commanders, and crew. Not to mention the time period, and thus stating the damage the Ravager has, or doesn't have.

Though this does beg the question of what happened to the Leviathan after Revan defeated Malak, on either side. Revan likely couldn't deal with it if lightside. If darkside, would he/she have sent the ship to its death, because it was connected to his/her betrayal, and thus his/her fall from power?(Read that however you like)

Ibelin
02-12-2009, 12:36 PM
The Leviathan i think.

Admiral_Thrawn
02-19-2009, 11:42 AM
If the Ravager was not a capable battleship then why did it lead the assault on Telos and if it was vulnerable to enemy fire then why did it almost rip apart Citadel Station without being blown to bits by the turbolasers?

Also Nihilus only prevented it from taking damage, as proven by the fact that bombs, not his death, led to the demise of the Ravager. Any ship with bombs inside it, messed up or not, is gonna be blown to bits.

Even without Nihilus onboard im pretty sure it would be able to fly, albeit barely. Also, you must take into account the factors of fear. If you saw a "ghost" ship, that should not even be able to lift off the ground, coming directly at you, would you try fighting it? The crew of the Leviathan were Human, Sith yes, but still Human. The bridge-crew of the Ravager were zombies, they would not be suspectible to such petty dillusions and thoughts. They would do the task as commanded by their slave-master, Nihilus.

Im pretty sure Admiral Karath would not be so wittless as to lead his troops against such a vessel as the Ravager. More importantly, against Nihilus. He was capable of draining Katarr of all life, save Visas whom he spared for unknown reasons. Geez, I mean the main weapon of the dark side was terror, the main weakness of the light fear. The mere presence of a vessel such as the Ravager would cause all who laid eyes upon it to flee over the horizon.

You seem to forget that guns and bombs do not always win wars, its the fear caused by them. Armor, engines, quality of soldiers and other factors are nothing compared to the Human physche.

Sheesh, if you wanted to do a comparison you have to take into account all the factors, not just weapon-wise.

Kj°len
02-19-2009, 06:58 PM
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/0/03/Ravager2.jpg

Not the best condition, but still looks like it would hold together long enough for its turbolasers to obliterate the Leviathan.

Ibelin
02-23-2009, 02:02 AM
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/0/03/Ravager2.jpg

Not the best condition, but still looks like it would hold together long enough for its turbolasers to obliterate the Leviathan.

Very creative comparison

DeadYorick
02-23-2009, 02:44 AM
blew up Taris and Dantooine


Taris was destroyed by a fleet of ships that blockaded all of Taris. (Probably a reference to Han Solo's comment to Obi Wan in A New Hope). The Leviathan only ordered and participated in it's destruction. The Leviathan is not a mobile Death Star and without the rest of the blockade it would be unable to even put a small impact on the planet. Plus The Leviathan did not destroy the jedi academy on Dantooine (Dantooine was still intact. Only the jedi academy was destroyed as shown in The Sith Lords).The Leviathan could have only destroyed the academy if they did it while the Ebon Hawk was in it's tractor beam (very highly unlikely). Most likely the Dantooine jedi academy was destroyed by another one of the thousands of ships Malak had at his disposal from the Star Forge

Unfortunately I am going to say Ravager. But without Nihilus the Ravager would not stand a match against the Leviathan. However with Nihilus the Ravager is an unstoppable killing machine. Only stoppable if the Exile is able to kill his/her's counterpart Nihilus

mattig89ch
02-23-2009, 10:02 PM
wasnt the raveger the mando flag ship in that battle?

in any case, it'd be a tough battle. since we see how many laser batteries the levithan has, but not how many the raveger has...i'm still going with raveger though.

Druganator
02-23-2009, 10:25 PM
Ravager because its TWICE THE SIZE meaning TWICE THE FIREPOWER and it was a star wars version of the black pearl, crewed by the damned captained by a man who couldnt be killed( only reason exile killed him is cuz she was empty of the force.) not to mention the leviathan was tiny and couldnt do much on its own.

DeadYorick
02-24-2009, 01:06 AM
Ravager because its TWICE THE SIZE meaning TWICE THE FIREPOWER and it was a star wars version of the black pearl, crewed by the damned captained by a man who couldnt be killed( only reason exile killed him is cuz she was empty of the force.) not to mention the leviathan was tiny and couldnt do much on its own.

If you are comparing this with Pirates of the Carribean speak then

Ravager: Black Pearl only 3 people on it

Leviathan: Lifeboat with 5 people on it. One with a pistol

It's obvious who would win

Druganator
02-24-2009, 11:56 AM
If you are comparing this with Pirates of the Carribean speak then

Ravager: Black Pearl only 3 people on it

Leviathan: Lifeboat with 5 people on it. One with a pistol

It's obvious who would win

where did those numbers come from? im talkin about the fact that nihilus cant be killed. except by the exile so if its leviathan vs ravager then ravager wins because the exile isnt part of the leviathans crew

DeadYorick
02-24-2009, 07:40 PM
where did those numbers come from? im talkin about the fact that nihilus cant be killed. except by the exile so if its leviathan vs ravager then ravager wins because the exile isnt part of the leviathans crew

I am estimating based on size, crew and firepower

The Ravager was destroyed because the Exile killed Nihilus. What if we talk about the Ravager without Nihilus and the Leviathan without Saul Karath

Druganator
02-25-2009, 12:28 AM
I am estimating based on size, crew and firepower

The Ravager was destroyed because the Exile killed Nihilus. What if we talk about the Ravager without Nihilus and the Leviathan without Saul Karath

then there would be no ravager and the leviathan would have no crew since revan killed saul and the crew and malak left it once he left for the star forge sooooo yea it would be an unmanned ship against nothing. and the whole idea would be irrelevant

Admiral_Thrawn
02-25-2009, 11:18 AM
Druganator . . . your making no sense at all mate.

Druganator
02-25-2009, 01:27 PM
Druganator . . . your making no sense at all mate.

what I'm talkin about is if nihilis was killed at the time of the "fight" then there would be no crew on either ship. because of when revan killed everyone aboard the leviathan. so the fight would not even be plausible. but if it was the ravager before it was destroyed at malachor and the leviathan before revan was taken aboard then ravaged wins by a landslide.

rictus135
06-18-2009, 07:20 AM
There is too much contradictory information on the Leviathan. I haven't read any of the supplemental stories to the games, but I believe the Leviathan was supposed to be a Ravager styled ship, it was just never shown as such. Here are some reasons:

1) It was supposedly Admiral Karaths ship throughout the Mandalorian wars, in the Cutscenes it was shown to be a StarForge produced vessel, which wouldn't have been possible since Revan found the Starforge after the end of the Mandalorian Wars.

2) It was supposed to be one of the largest and most powerful vessels in the Sith fleet, yet appears identical to all other StarForge ships.

3) There are what appears to be the remains of another vessel of the same class as the Ravager in orbit around Malachor V, which shows the Ravager was not a unique vessel.

4) It is common practice for Admirals to captain the largest, most powerful ships in the fleet. So it is reasonable that Admirals captained Ravager class vessels opposed to the Republics other ships, which appear to be frigates.

5) It was stated by Carth that some of the ships in Malaks fleet were former Republic ships, but many were of an alien design ie StarForge vessels. You only ever see Sith controlling Star Forge ships - likely to keep cutscenes simple and unconfusing. But it raises the question; What is cannon? The in-game dialogue or a cutscenes image?

In short, I think they might very well be the same class of ship and therefore be equal in battle. At the very least it is far from certain that the Leviathan was a StarForge vessel, despite its appearance in the game.