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starwind40
02-18-2009, 04:42 PM
Any one watching the clone wars TV show? I was considering a few things about this Ahsoka Tano character. It seems that since she does not exist in Episode 3 then something has happened to her.

my thought is that she falls to the darkside somehow. Especially from her actions in the episode when Anakin is hurt and unconscious. She acts like Anakin does towards Padme that pushes him to betray the jedi. She has "attachment" issues.

I hope they don't just kill her off by Dooku or Ventress or something obvious like that.

Thoughts anyone? and if you don't like the show then just don't post. I only say that since I don't see much at all on the boards about the TV show.

adamqd
02-18-2009, 06:49 PM
I think they will probably have her offed via some lack of judgment, Anakin will think it's his fault further delaying his ability to maturely deal with loss.

It would be cool IMO if she left the order, or was thought dead but became a mercenary or something, it's all been done before though... hard to be original in such a heavily covered era as the clone wars :)

GeneralPloKoon
02-18-2009, 09:05 PM
I'd love to see her killed during Order 66, i'm sorry but she is my least favorite Star Wars character.

Alkonium
02-18-2009, 09:26 PM
I'd be fine with her being killed or exiled, though I'd love to see her lose a lightsaber duel to Count Dooku. That would give Anakin another reason for revenge when he fights Dooku in ROTS.

TKA-001
02-18-2009, 09:34 PM
Seeing her killed by a grapple droid would be fitting, I think. A friend of mine said that if her fate is to fit with the rest of continuity, she has to die in a way that's so horrific or gruesome (or something) that Mace, Obi-Wan, Anakin, and company never talk about it again. It has to be a "let's agree to never talk about this" sort of thing. Having her killed by Dooku or Ventress would be unnecessary baggage, because Anakin already has motivations for going after them, and it would be odd for his duels with them to go without her being mentioned.

She also shouldn't be killed by Grievous, either, because the confrontation is not supposed to be a personal one between him and Anakin when the heroes get hauled onto the Invisible Hand's bridge in Episode III. Grievous is Obi-Wan's nemesis, not Anakin's.

Therefore, I conclude that the best way for Anakin's apprentice to go out is to be offed by a battle droid. Almost any kind would do as long as it's not a very common one (like the B1s) or one of Grievous' MagnaGuards. I think the grapple droids as seen in the Episode III game would fit well for this role, partly because they're underused.

starwind40
02-19-2009, 10:14 AM
I'd be fine with her being killed or exiled

I like this idea of her being exiled for some unspeakable reason since it lines up with TKA-001's idea of her having to have an event of some magnitude to where the jedi won't talk about it ever again.

Nedak
02-20-2009, 03:40 PM
i'm sorry but she is my least favorite Star Wars character.

Even more then Jar-Jar?

Blix
02-20-2009, 04:14 PM
I had no idea just how many people want her dead :P

starwind40
02-20-2009, 08:09 PM
well my question was more what her destiny was. I kinda like her, she is interesting and fun....plus the girl that does the voice for her is MEGA HOT.

I'm just curious since she does not exist in episode 3. but maybe she does and since Clone Wars was written after episode 3, they will find away to tie up the lose end without killing her.

I freakin hate Jar Jar. he is so annoying. I've never like baffooons who end up saving the day. Jar Jar has the most luck out of anyone in star wars.......except maybe C3-P0. but that's a whole other can of worms.

MandoMan
02-21-2009, 12:30 PM
hehe question which one is ashoka again sry im not very good at rembering jedi :P

GeneralPloKoon
02-21-2009, 01:16 PM
hehe question which one is ashoka again sry im not very good at rembering jedi :P
This freak!
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/1/1f/Ahsoka_DotD.jpg

K_Kinnison
02-21-2009, 08:15 PM
She should die by the hands of a fashion droid for wearing a tube top.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/Kinnison/fashiondroid.jpg

How about she falls in love with Boba Fett and ends up getting kicked out of the Jedi order because of it. Would provide a great juxtaposition to Anakin/Padme

PoiuyWired
03-07-2009, 05:00 PM
Well, being offed via a plot from Dooku would be a fitting end. That would explain some of Anakin's hatred on Dooku.

Well, getting her exiled would be good also, not only is it a better plot, that would explain the lack of her being mentioned in other articles. Preferably she should be leaving on bad terms. Hence, she is not mentioned. No, none of those going darkside crab. That would be all too standard. But yeah going AWOL on her own away from the order might work.

Its probably NOT:
1) some great Heroic death, or it would be hard to explain why she is not mentioned.
2) killed by order 66, since that would actually draw Anakin away from his decision on joining Palypy if anything.
3) Die saving Anakin. cliche, plus it would be something emntioned by Anakin every now and then.
4) Die "pulling an Ankin" style action. Then its all Anakin's fault.

Remember There are only a few that Anakin is really attached too, his mom (Dead), Padme ('duh), Asoka, ObiWan.

LordTrilobite
06-17-2009, 11:56 AM
Seeing her killed by a grapple droid would be fitting, I think. A friend of mine said that if her fate is to fit with the rest of continuity, she has to die in a way that's so horrific or gruesome (or something) that Mace, Obi-Wan, Anakin, and company never talk about it again. It has to be a "let's agree to never talk about this" sort of thing. Having her killed by Dooku or Ventress would be unnecessary baggage, because Anakin already has motivations for going after them, and it would be odd for his duels with them to go without her being mentioned.

She also shouldn't be killed by Grievous, either, because the confrontation is not supposed to be a personal one between him and Anakin when the heroes get hauled onto the Invisible Hand's bridge in Episode III. Grievous is Obi-Wan's nemesis, not Anakin's.

Therefore, I conclude that the best way for Anakin's apprentice to go out is to be offed by a battle droid. Almost any kind would do as long as it's not a very common one (like the B1s) or one of Grievous' MagnaGuards. I think the grapple droids as seen in the Episode III game would fit well for this role, partly because they're underused.
This actually makes a lot of sense.

Alexrd
06-17-2009, 01:23 PM
Even more then Jar-Jar?


To me, she is worse than Jar Jar and the Ewoks.

Fredi
06-17-2009, 05:09 PM
I really don't like her so, she can die, I'm cool with it.

DarthAwesome
06-28-2009, 10:49 PM
I'd love to see her killed during Order 66, i'm sorry but she is my least favorite Star Wars character.

Wow, that is messed up and frankly, a little immature. We're talking about a 14 year old here!:p
She is by far, not my least favourite character. That honor would either have to go to Jar Jar or Asajj Ventress. I'm pretty sure as the series progresses she'll eventually mature and that will quiet down all the people asking for her death.

mattig89ch
07-02-2009, 01:40 PM
hey if we're talking in the show then she is in my top 5 most hated characters.

They guy who does jar jar's voice is 1, then her.

but if we're talking in the whole star wars series.....well, yea I still hate her.

And I like ventress, she's a smart kind of evil. Whish they had shown her in the movies *shrugs* but what can you do?

Hey, if ahsoka dies while killing ventress then that'd fit nicely with the series.

joesdomain
07-12-2009, 05:43 PM
Probably dies from General Grevious, one of bodyguards, Ventress, Dooku, or this new bounty hunter on the tv series. Unless they want to fuel alot of confusion and she founds out who Palpatine is and he kills her.

Trench
07-12-2009, 05:48 PM
She should join the Mandalorians!:D

DarthAwesome
07-12-2009, 08:21 PM
Actually, that's not such a bad idea...It'd be pretty cool to have her as a bounty hunter. Maybe she gets expelled from the Jedi Order and becomes a kickass bounty hunter helping The Empire hunt down the remaining Jedi after order 66.

Trench
07-12-2009, 08:29 PM
Nah! She should be with a faction of Mandalorians (Clan Skirata perhaps?) that opposes the Empire and harbors fugitive Jedi.:D

mattig89ch
07-13-2009, 02:51 PM
lets just say that i'm not holding my breath for that....

urluckyday
07-13-2009, 08:18 PM
Hope she dies by Dooku's hand with Anakin there...then he gets angry...yep...

PoiuyWired
07-23-2009, 01:30 PM
Wow, that is messed up and frankly, a little immature. We're talking about a 14 year old here!:p
She is by far, not my least favourite character. That honor would either have to go to Jar Jar or Asajj Ventress. I'm pretty sure as the series progresses she'll eventually mature and that will quiet down all the people asking for her death.

I kinda like Ventress actually. Asoka is annoying, but still in an acceptable way.

Well she may actually mature up a bit lets hope. Unlike Jar Jar... where the only way to quiet down all the people asking for his death would be somewhere between the meatgrinder and the screaming wiggling half of his dying body.

alphagrim
08-01-2009, 08:59 AM
Hope she dies by Dooku's hand with Anakin there...then he gets angry...yep...

fitting end .
Anyway i couldn't care less frankly i like to consider Clone Wars Cartoons non-canon(though a liked the micro series)

Te Je'karta Mand'alor
08-01-2009, 09:22 PM
i think they just made Ahsoka up for the series... i meen, you never here of her in the movies or books

alphagrim
08-02-2009, 11:03 AM
i think they just made Ahsoka up for the series... i meen, you never here of her in the movies or books

she is as useful as Jar Jar was in Ep I.
I think that Lucas came up with the idea of Ahsoka just so there could be a child in the series to appeal to the target audience of Cartoon Network.

mattig89ch
08-03-2009, 08:44 AM
she is as useful as Jar Jar was in Ep I.
I think that Lucas came up with the idea of Ahsoka just so there could be a child in the series to appeal to the target audience of Cartoon Network.

QFT

Just out of curiosoty, does anyone else find it a little rediculous that only ashoka and anakin can beat count dooku or ventress in a duel? The episode with Shaktii comes to mind.

alphagrim
08-03-2009, 03:29 PM
^yep,it makes no sense that a child can hold his/her own against a master or even acolyte(Ventress)

Te Je'karta Mand'alor
08-03-2009, 06:36 PM
that series is a disgrace

purifier
08-04-2009, 02:00 PM
Just out of curiosoty, does anyone else find it a little rediculous that only ashoka and anakin can beat count dooku or ventress in a duel? The episode with Shaktii comes to mind.


Yeah, I found that to be too much to swallow, don't know what the hell they were thinking when they set it up that way.

Te Je'karta Mand'alor
08-17-2009, 06:34 PM
Yeah, I found that to be too much to swallow, don't know what the hell they were thinking when they set it up that way.


i completly agree. i mean only a jedi knight and a PADOWAN???

GeneralPloKoon
08-22-2009, 12:50 AM
Even more then Jar-Jar?
Yes, even more than Jar-Jar.

Kado Sunrider
09-02-2009, 07:09 PM
Anyone willing to consider that she might pass the trials and become a Jedi Knight? Just because she isn't mentioned doesn't mean she doesn't exist in the movies.

Alkonium
09-02-2009, 07:34 PM
Anyone willing to consider that she might pass the trials and become a Jedi Knight? Just because she isn't mentioned doesn't mean she doesn't exist in the movies.

Impossible. If she made it to knighthood, Anakin would be a Jedi Master in Episode III, and if she was still Anakin's apprentice then, she'd have appeared in Episode III. That, and she's too young to become a Jedi Knight.

Alexrd
09-03-2009, 04:56 AM
that series is a disgrace

To me, this first season became ver good actually. As the season progressed there were less droid jokes and less Ahsoka's arrogance and pet names.

Astor
09-03-2009, 08:31 AM
As a children's TV series, I think it's pretty good. Not great, but we did see a marked improvement in the quality as the series progressed.

As much as I dislike the current focus on Clone Wars timeframe, I look forward to seeing what they do with the next series.

Mandalore The Shadow
09-04-2009, 09:40 AM
that series is a disgrace

Yes I agree and yes it is worse than Jar-Jar

Te Je'karta Mand'alor
09-04-2009, 11:44 AM
To me, this first season became ver good actually. As the season progressed there were less droid jokes and less Ahsoka's arrogance and pet names.

i think you misunderstood me. i meant most of it's non-canon

purifier
09-05-2009, 12:23 AM
Whether it is entertaining or just plane terrible, I'd just wished the writers of that Tv series would have been consistent with the Star Wars movies, comic books, novels, etc.

It really gets confusing to follow the Star Wars history as a whole, when some storys or a Tv series just like that are not in sync with the rest of the Star Wars mythical history.

mikrex
12-06-2009, 06:52 PM
I wish they would show Thrawn and Tarkin in this installment, Maybe then they could kill her.

PoiuyWired
01-19-2010, 09:10 AM
Well, there is one way out... he quits being Jedi alltogether, and find a way of her own... nope, no darkside, no heroic death, no mysterious disappearance. Then it would make sense she is not mentioned, better if she lost her connection to the force in some way. She may be missed a bit, but not too much since she is still alive and well and having a decent time as a normal person. That would also spark Anakin's wish of having a normal live with Padme (although he would want to have the cake without quitting the jedi order)

It would be much easier for her to sneak away from order 66 since she is not a jedi at the time. If she is smart enogh to be on the move once3 sheet hits the fence there is a high chance she is not tracked down by the Empire, and Vader not tracking her down with effort is also reasonable, he still has his inner struggle (and easily explainable if Asoka lost her force connection).

Now that is one way of fading away a character, without making her into something great, no lightside or darkside, just poof.

Kurgan
01-22-2010, 02:45 PM
There's no reason to assume that she has to die and Anakin has to kill her.
This reminds me of the talk of Jar Jar's fate when Episode I came out, or what happened to Naboo. Just because we don't hear about it in the OT doesn't mean it has to be destroyed in between (Shadows of the Empire is about the only series that seems to have done that, but I hear they resurrected many of those characters too, even though they created and then killed them off in one book). Creating new characters like this, does raise questions, but we've seen already that it need not be answered and it gives them more opportunities to write stories.

Let's recall that in the EU, tons of characters vanish, only to re-appear later. Remember even before the Prequels were made, they had tons of "lost Jedi of the week" showing up. The Prequel EU has continued this tradition (silly and contrived as it is). When it comes down to it, Star Wars has become, rather than a galactic saga, a rather small story, about a dozen people, basically on two planets.

We might say "ah, but Ahsoka must be a Padawan for ten years and she can only be with Anakin a maximum of 3 before she would 'disappear' in Episode III." However we don't know how long she's been a "Padawan" prior to being assigned to Anakin, do we? It's not as if it's ever been established that someone can't serve more than one Master in their lifetime.

So she might "graduate" and we just never see her again (until somebody writes another EU story about her either surviving until the time of the OT, or being killed somehow in the meantime).

There's no guarantee that they'll "have" to kill her off in Order 66. Not that I have any attachment to the character (I don't), just saying.


As for Star Wars continuity or consistency, there never really has been any. Sure, it's not as bad as Highlander continuity, but it's pretty bad. It has been there since day one, when Star Wars was created to be a stand alone movie (remember, when Lucas wasn't sure he could make any sequels, and the only plans were for two novels which were different than what we got with ESB and ROTJ?). Star Wars has always contradicted itself, created loose ends and other problems. Now I'm all for consistency, but considering no story or characters have really been improved by their consistency (or lack of consistency) I think it's not really an issue.

I've said it before, but Star Wars has become more like King Arthur, where they just tell more stories with the same basic characters and concepts, not that they all fit together perfectly into one story. Even the original movies have that problem, like I said. You could reboot the EU for all I care, and nothing would change.

Bottom line: The CGI "Clone Wars" series (starting with the theatrical movie) is "T-Canon," in a class all by itself. Something similar to Episode II is assumed to have happened, but that's about it.

Ghost
01-23-2010, 10:22 AM
hmm, Ill have to agree with wired, but there is another option. Any of you heard of Jolee Bindo? He left the Order for some crazy reason during the Exar Kuun WarThat is what could happen to Ahsoka. Maybe she meets up with her parents or something. And she could just leave the order and train herself. That would be more interesting that she just fading into the past.

Alexrd
01-23-2010, 10:52 AM
hmm, Ill have to agree with wired, but there is another option. Any of you heard of Jolee Bindo? He left the Order for some crazy reason during the Exar Kuun WarThat is what could happen to Ahsoka. Maybe she meets up with her parents or something. And she could just leave the order and train herself. That would be more interesting that she just fading into the past.

Train herself?! Anyway, I believe she will be passed to another master.

purifier
01-23-2010, 02:58 PM
As for Star Wars continuity or consistency, there never really has been any. Sure, it's not as bad as Highlander continuity, but it's pretty bad. It has been there since day one, when Star Wars was created to be a stand alone movie (remember, when Lucas wasn't sure he could make any sequels, and the only plans were for two novels which were different than what we got with ESB and ROTJ?). Star Wars has always contradicted itself, created loose ends and other problems. Now I'm all for consistency, but considering no story or characters have really been improved by their consistency (or lack of consistency) I think it's not really an issue.

I've said it before, but Star Wars has become more like King Arthur, where they just tell more stories with the same basic characters and concepts, not that they all fit together perfectly into one story. Even the original movies have that problem, like I said. You could reboot the EU for all I care, and nothing would change.

Bottom line: The CGI "Clone Wars" series (starting with the theatrical movie) is "T-Canon," in a class all by itself. Something similar to Episode II is assumed to have happened, but that's about it.



I see where your coming from Kurgan, on the issue of Star Wars continuity or consistency. But still, it would have been nice if they had just made the effort (even just a little bit) to make most of it fit in with the continuity of Star Wars mythical history. When you collect most of the Star Wars novels, comic books series, and the movies over the years as I have; something like the CGI "Clone Wars" series and the character Ahsoka herself, just really throws my understanding of the SW mythical history out of whack for me. But like you mentioned, there have been other story written inconsistencies in the past pertaining to Star Wars. So I guess the best bet would be to either except these out of place inconsistencies as they are, or just ignore them completely in order to make sense of it all.


Anyway, just for the sake of predictions, as this thread seems to indicate, pertaining to the stories of the CGI "Clone Wars" and Ahsoka herself. - If there was a poll on Ashoka's destiny, I would have voted that she dies at the hands of Count Dooku as a few others have mentioned here in the past months; and that would be another event that would of course, fuel or continue Anakin's path towards the darkside. I mean, If I was a professional writer - that's the way I would have ended the character's future in trying to stay within the continuity of Star Wars mythical history. But anyway - that's just my 2 cents, nothing more. :)

Kurgan
02-19-2010, 02:48 PM
That's the easy way out. There's no REASON for them to do it this way and it would be the expected thing to do, but I am betting they'll do it, and just have Ahsoka die "senselessly" and have Anakin "blame himself" and be haunted by it.

If they go that route it would be nice if it really was all Anakin's fault, but since this is a kid's show (even though they try to make it "edgy" at times) it probably literally won't be Anakin's fault, but he'll say it's his fault anyway, and carry it inside him. Like she'll make some "cocky" decision based on what she learned from her "Skyguy" and get killed.

What would make it even more silly (I know, I'm just ranting here) is to have Ahsoka die in battle with Ventress, and then have Anakin kill her in vengeance (AGAIN). End the last episode with him telling Obi-Wan "don't ever mention her again."

Frankly though, I really don't care what happens to any of the characters in the new series. As far as I'm concerned it is a separate story line from the movies. Sadly, due to expectations (and the track record thus far with Prequel stuff), none of the movie characters can have anything meaningful or lasting happen to them. All will be forgotten from the "leap" at the end of the series to Episode III.

On the other hand Lucas' penchant for leaving loose ends would make it feasible that he'd just have Ahsoka go away (and not die) and leave it up to the imagination. I wouldn't have a problem with that, and in fact it would be nice to see. Of course if that happens you know they'll have people demanding they finish the story (and writers will see more money to be made) by putting her into a novel or comic or two to "finish the story."

All the EU creators seem to suffer anymore from the two tendencies: 1) Make it just like the movies because you're unimaginative or afraid of taking risks, 2) Make it as different from the movies as possible just to be different (and end up losing that elusive "Star Wars feel" or being silly).

It seems if they had wanted to make it all consistent, it would be for Lucas to lead by example and have some serious continuity people on hand throughout. Leeland Chee seems more like he just sits back and when a source comes out, gives his own explanation for it after the fact (prompted by whatever Lucas is feeling at the moment). They fire off a new story without really checking to see what's going on. If it sounds cool, it doesn't matter what it conflicts with. That's my hunch, anyway.

Blix
02-21-2010, 08:15 PM
Wel if Ahsoka is truly the prodigy the masters make her out to be then I think she could (and will) elude the Jedi Purge. Once the Clone Wars is done and over we will probably start seeing an adult Ahsoka living a secluded life on a remote planet offering help to a stranded starpilot or something like that idk :)

DarthReign
03-10-2010, 05:02 PM
She could always die in a ship fight. I mean that kinda makes sense.

Las
05-05-2010, 12:15 PM
i'd like to see her die by the hands of asajj, simply for the reason that she hasn't actually done anything of significance. an awesome lightsaber battle and ahsoka falling in the end, that's what that cartoon network show needs.

SciFiGeek17
06-14-2010, 09:21 PM
I'd rather see her exiled, but I can understand the logical reason of killing her off by Dooku. Gives Anakin a reason to be so angry with Dooku in E3.

Although we all know the real reason is because Dooku tried to have Padme asassinated, plus severed Anakin's arm. Making him feel less human and more of a machine-which is kind of a connection to him as Vader from the original trilogy.