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Shem
03-17-2009, 06:13 PM
Well, I have had this thought in my mind for quite some time and since there hasn't been a whole lot of discussion of the game in recent months along with the fact it will never build a modding community to make it a bigger community, I thought I would share thoughts that came to mind that I know some people may have interest in.

One thing I've noticed that people do not like is the fact that Starkiller, Darth Vader's secret apprenticed sacrificed his life in order to save the lives of the co-founders of the Rebel Alliance. It was tragic that he did die, but you had to kill him because he was way too powerful not to be in the original Star Wars trilogy. It was a way to tie up the loose ends.

Now, here is a thought I've had for a few months now that I have decided to share with you. Let's think hypothetically: What if Starkiller didn't die? What if Vader and Sidious thought he was dead at first, but realize later he really wasn't. He didn't have any visual marks on his body that would make you believe he was dead, though that really doesn't mean anything in the Star Wars universe if you know how things work.

So you're wondering where I'm going with this. Let's assume Starkiller didn't die. So what do you do with him in order to make it so he isn't a factor in the original trilogy, but keep him alive? You put him in prison. Once the Empire is defeated, the founders of the New Republic find him in prison somewhere. Now, keep in mind that if he didn't die there on the Death Star like we all presummed, it would almost be probable that the Emperor would kill him as he probably is too powerful to be kept alive. But how often do people not kill their enemies when they should have in movies? Like why did Mace Windu hesitate to kill Sidious to give Anakin enough time to react and save the Dark Lord? Why were the battle droids in TPM not opening fire on the surrendered Gungans, but instead are rounding them up as prisoners when Sidious ordered all of them to be wiped out before the battle started? Let's go one further. Starkiller didn't kill the Emperor when he had the chance.

Okay, so Starkiller is found alive and in prison by the Emperor after the events of the original trilogy. Maybe the Emperor had him tortured to make him suffer for all the problems Sidious was having with the Rebellion and that is the only reason the Emperor is keeping him alive is to get some satisfaction from it. Who knows? Maybe the reason Starkiller is willing himself to live is because he longs to be with Juno and hasn't given up hope that he'll be with her again some day.

Later, Juno then finds out that her long lost love is still alive after the Rebellion defeats the Empire. There you have the grounds to start a sequel to The Force Unleased. Then you come up with a story where the New Republic will not survive if Starkiller isn't finding along their side.

Now, if I was working for LucasArts and was trying to come up with a sequel to TFU, this would be an idea I would present to them. Unfortunately, I don't, so I wouldn't count on this idea you're reading to happen.

GeneralPloKoon
03-18-2009, 12:27 AM
The is the perfect idea of a sequel, if you worked at Lucasarts, I would be praising you! The New Republic era is so much more free to create new characters and such, we wouldn't have to worry about colliding with the Star Wars movie canon! Excellent idea Shem!

TKA-001
03-18-2009, 09:40 AM
If Galen survives, then his sacrifice is completely invalidated, just like the appearance of Sith in post-Episode 6 EU invalidated the sacrifice of Anakin Skywalker.

What if Starkiller didn't die? What if Vader and Sidious thought he was dead at first, but realize later he really wasn't.
It is an intriguing idea, but I'd rather Vader and Sidious not look like any more of a pair of idiots than the EU has already made them.

how often do people not kill their enemies when they should have in movies? Like why did Mace Windu hesitate to kill Sidious to give Anakin enough time to react and save the Dark Lord? Why were the battle droids in TPM not opening fire on the surrendered Gungans, but instead are rounding them up as prisoners when Sidious ordered all of them to be wiped out before the battle started? Let's go one further.
No, let's not go one further. Just because people act stupid in one place doesn't excuse other people being stupid elsewhere. Besides, you're not proposing merely going one further. The examples which you cite from the movies are spur-of-the-moment decisions, while your case involves Darth Sidious deliberately keeping Galen alive for years.

Starkiller didn't kill the Emperor when he had the chance.
Galen never got a chance in the first place. The fact that Sidious jumps to his feet the second Galen's back is turned makes it clear that he was playing dead.

Maybe the Emperor had him tortured to make him suffer for all the problems Sidious was having with the Rebellion and that is the only reason the Emperor is keeping him alive is to get some satisfaction from it.
It fits with Palpy's character somewhat, but again, I like to think that he's a little smarter than that. Still, the overall idea of Galen being imprisoned would be salvageable if it ended with him being crushed like a bug by Sidious some time during the Dark Empire trilogy.

Jeff
03-18-2009, 10:03 AM
Hmm, not sure what I think of this idea. It does sound cool, but not sure if it's very plausible that he'd survive all that time. I don't know enough about post-RotJ EU to know how much of the canon is filled in but are all the stories in that era already written? I can't say I can come up with anything better though. :p

Shem
03-18-2009, 05:17 PM
If Galen survives, then his sacrifice is completely invalidated, just like the appearance of Sith in post-Episode 6 EU invalidated the sacrifice of Anakin Skywalker.Well, then this would fit perfectly for that time period. :xp:

Galen never got a chance in the first place. The fact that Sidious jumps to his feet the second Galen's back is turned makes it clear that he was playing dead.What game did you play? Starkiller was about to kill the Emperor and Kota stopped him. As soon as Starkiller agreed not to kill him within a few moments he let his guard down when the Rogue Shadow showed up. Then Sidious used that opportunity to his advantage. Anybody (besides you) who's played this game can testify to that. He had him and he hesitated because he listened to the advice of his mentor, Kota.

Now, I don't want to use this thread to argue about whether or not Starkiller lost his opportunity to kill Sidious since it's off topic. This is about using the idea that Starkiller survived and the Emperor imprisoned him and possibly tortured him for his own pleasure, which villains are known to do you know. Basically finding a way to bring him back alive to do a sequel and this idea is plausible and fits in character of what happens in lots of movies.

Zerimar Nyliram
03-18-2009, 05:18 PM
I do quite like that idea, Shem. You do realize, however, that if LucasArts had anything remotely similar to that in mind, they now have to scrap it and start all over again simply because you chose not to keep it to yourself, for fear of a lawsuit, right? ;)

But like I said, I like it. The only problem is that the novel confirms Galen's death by describing his consciousness rising from his body beyond the confines of the Death Star before fading away. Of course, they could always overrule this if they wanted to, or write it off as a momentary near-death/out-of-body experience.

But like I said, they can't use it now. :( So in essence, none of our little hypotheses will ever be correct since Lucas Film watches forums such as this one like a hawk.

On_Your_Six
03-19-2009, 01:45 PM
I'm not sure why Galen has to remain the protagonist, or why the "sequel" should be set further along in the continuity. TFU is an ambiguous enough name to neither refer to a specific character, or timeline, may as well keep the horizons open with that in mind.

I'd just as soon (keeping with working for the Sith idea) like to see the next TFU set in the time of the Sith before the "Rule of Two". It's been awhile since I've read any of the EU stuff, but the Freedon Nadd Uprising (or something similar) timeline sounds like it would make for some great settings.

Zwier Zak
03-19-2009, 05:59 PM
Starkiller is dead. And good riddance. JK4 is the way to go. ;]

Shem
03-19-2009, 07:15 PM
Starkiller is dead. And good riddance. JK4 is the way to go. ;]And what does your comment have to do with this topic? It's still funny to see someone who hates this game and the main character hang out here to just post crap about it, even if it's off topic. Why don't you go find a forum about a game you like and hang out there?


I'm not sure why Galen has to remain the protagonist, or why the "sequel" should be set further along in the continuity. TFU is an ambiguous enough name to neither refer to a specific character, or timeline, may as well keep the horizons open with that in mind.I agree with this idea based on that fact that you don't have to use Starkiller again to create a sequel. I do like the idea of another game using the game engine they used for TFU and I hope they do have plans for another game coming soon because of it.

I'd just as soon (keeping with working for the Sith idea) like to see the next TFU set in the time of the Sith before the "Rule of Two". It's been awhile since I've read any of the EU stuff, but the Freedon Nadd Uprising (or something similar) timeline sounds like it would make for some great settings.My idea of a sequel outside of the Starkiller storyline would be a game involving Darth Maul and his role as a Sith apprentice before the events of TPM and watching him grow in power.

Zerimar Nyliram
03-19-2009, 07:36 PM
Starkiller is dead. And good riddance. JK4 is the way to go. ;]

Uh, I think there has to be a Jedi Knight 3 first. ;) (And no, that wasn't what Jedi Academy was. That game was a spin-off, not a sequel.)

But anyway, that's enough thread derailment for one night.

Ztalker
03-20-2009, 12:44 PM
I like the idea very much. Too bad whole the EU is already crammed full with material.
If he wouldn't meet EU characters (maybe fighting in the Unknown regions after escaping) I see possibilities. Otherwise...

gallandro
03-22-2009, 03:53 PM
I'll probably get slammed for this, but I would personally love to see good ol' Luke Skywalker be the protagonist in TFU 2. The story would be easy to come up with.

I think Luke has the perfect mix of massive power and unstable emotional contraint to be a character that continues to struggle with the darkside.

It could involve his efforts to restart the Jedi Order. I would love for him to discover, during the adventure, the apprentice's history.

There's potential for good story telling, and since it's post ROTJ, the environments are limitless. And we could still kill stormtroopers (there were factions that were still around).

Personally, I would like it if he came upon a unknown secret imperial facility where he discovers that the Emporer had cloned the Jedi Council, then raised them to serve the darkside. In the course of that first level, the council clones escape from this secret facility and go throughout the galaxy... then Luke has to track them each down and stop them. Each one could have his own batallion of clone troopers he commands... which would provide the fodder.

Seeing Luke go toe to toe with Mace, Yoda, young Obi Wan, and ultimately a young clone of his own father... I think that could be fun... and I think there would be cool story possibilities... like, maybe some of the clones overcome the darkness and end up joining Luke (thereby unlocking them as playable characters).

Anyway, I digress. That's what I'd like to see.

Zerimar Nyliram
03-22-2009, 08:00 PM
Well, cloning is always on the cheesy side quite a bit (Dark Empire being the par excellence example). Although, in The Force Unleashed novelization, Kazdan Paratus' Jedi Council junk droids come to life and attack Galen, which was pretty cool. I was disappointed that that didn't happen in the game.

GeneralPloKoon
03-22-2009, 09:13 PM
Well, cloning is always on the cheesy side quite a bit (Dark Empire being the par excellence example). Although, in The Force Unleashed novelization, Kazdan Paratus' Jedi Council junk droids come to life and attack Galen, which was pretty cool. I was disappointed that that didn't happen in the game.

I thought they did attack?!

Shem
03-22-2009, 11:50 PM
Well, let's continue on for fun.

I already made a hypothesis about how Starkiller survived the battle in the Emperor's throne room and to me it was always odd how Starkiller died, yet the Emperor was unscratched.

Anyway, so Starkiller finds out about Luke Skywalker's heroics and the downfall of the Empire and they become acquainted with each other. The thing about using Starkiller again for a sequel game (where he's obviously going to be the good guy here even though he knows how to use the dark side of the Force sort of like Kyle Katarn) is to establish how is he going to be needed. There is no point in bringing him back unless he is needed. How is Luke Skywalker going to be connected in this? It would be smart to use his character and somehow work together in this plot as it will connect audiences well, especially if Luke is still learning more about his Force Powers. Perhaps Starkiller can train with him to help him become stronger, but make it a short part of the plot as you don't want to focus too much on that, but the upcoming problem you're going to have.

Having Luke and Starkiller the only Jedi in the galaxy at the time of the Emperor's death could something to build on.

GeneralPloKoon
03-23-2009, 12:04 AM
Starkiller could be an unkown underground Jedi fighting against the Imperial Remant secretly. The New Republic could begin a secret investigation of who is casuing massive damage to the remaining Imperial forces. Luke Skywlaker could be at the head of the investigation.

Ctrl Alt Del
03-23-2009, 01:49 AM
If Galen survives, then his sacrifice is completely invalidated, just like the appearance of Sith in post-Episode 6 EU invalidated the sacrifice of Anakin Skywalker.

It is an intriguing idea, but I'd rather Vader and Sidious not look like any more of a pair of idiots than the EU has already made them.I must agree with this.

Galen never got a chance in the first place. The fact that Sidious jumps to his feet the second Galen's back is turned makes it clear that he was playing dead.I think this is quite possible. I'm one of the guys who believe Palpy was just enacting when Mace had him cornered on his office, just as the final act to fully convert Anakin to the DS. It's pretty clear that Sidious is the theatrical kind of villain who enjoys playing the role of the mastermind who turns the tide of the battle when all seems lost.

I'm not sure why Galen has to remain the protagonist, or why the "sequel" should be set further along in the continuity. TFU is an ambiguous enough name to neither refer to a specific character, or timeline, may as well keep the horizons open with that in mind.Exactly. There have been discussions about which already existing character to adopt on a possible sequel or a new one to be created.


Anyway, so Starkiller finds out about Luke Skywalker's heroics and the downfall of the Empire and they become acquainted with each other. The thing about using Starkiller again for a sequel game (where he's obviously going to be the good guy here even though he knows how to use the dark side of the Force sort of like Kyle Katarn) is to establish how is he going to be needed. There is no point in bringing him back unless he is needed. How is Luke Skywalker going to be connected in this? It would be smart to use his character and somehow work together in this plot as it will connect audiences well, especially if Luke is still learning more about his Force Powers. Perhaps Starkiller can train with him to help him become stronger, but make it a short part of the plot as you don't want to focus too much on that, but the upcoming problem you're going to have.

Having Luke and Starkiller the only Jedi in the galaxy at the time of the Emperor's death could something to build on.It must be said that one of the few things I enjoyed completely on TFU was the plot, and bringing Galen from the dead like that reeks of bad storytelling. They'd have to come with a incredibly good excuse to make it acceptable, not only as to WHY he's back in actions but HOW did he escape death from the hands of Palpy.

Shem
03-23-2009, 05:56 AM
It must be said that one of the few things I enjoyed completely on TFU was the plot, and bringing Galen from the dead like that reeks of bad storytelling. They'd have to come with a incredibly good excuse to make it acceptable, not only as to WHY he's back in actions but HOW did he escape death from the hands of Palpy.I already explained that in the first post of this thread. ;)

DarthYuugi
03-25-2009, 04:46 PM
The storys too cheesy lol ( No offence Shem)

Ztalker
03-25-2009, 05:13 PM
Well, let's continue on for fun.

Having Luke and Starkiller the only Jedi in the galaxy at the time of the Emperor's death could something to build on.

Hmmm. You could always set the two to meet around the movies.
May I suggest Episode 6? Battle of Endor?

EA material after this is mostly about Luke going on diplomatic missions rather then building a Jedi order (Truce at Bakura uptill Thrawn Trilogy all have him fighting in the frontline, with Dark Empire finally have him 'train' hist first student in 10 aby).
So you could have the two meet right after episode 6. Luke is still with his thoughts with the Rebellion, not ready to form a new order. And Galen is not ready to be with others again (trust issues, love, etc).
So why not have Galen 'work' in Luke's shadows? Write him in at Truce at Bakure. Write him in the Thrawn Trilogy. Only let him meet Luke at time periods that novels don't describe. Let him be part of the conquering of Coruscant...

I am hearing you though. It would only work up till Dark Empire, in which Luke re-establishes the Jedi order.

TKA-001
03-25-2009, 05:35 PM
Write him in the Thrawn Trilogy.
Galen fighting some sort of personal mini-conflict against Joruus C'baoth would be sort of neat. Have C'baoth set Galen up in a duel with an evil clone of himself. When the fight is over, Galen leaves, but the viewer doesn't know if the clone survived or the real one.

GeneralPloKoon
03-25-2009, 06:02 PM
Galen fighting some sort of personal mini-conflict against Joruus C'baoth would be sort of neat. Have C'baoth set Galen up in a duel with an evil clone of himself. When the fight is over, Galen leaves, but the viewer doesn't know if the clone survived or the real one.
An excellent idea and twist!

Zerimar Nyliram
03-25-2009, 09:40 PM
No more clones, please. I'm all cloned out. Zahn handled it okay in the Thrawn trilogy, Lucas handled it fairly well in the prequels and the new animated series, and Tom Veich just butchered it in Dark Empire. It easily becomes quite cheesy if not done with extreme care, and it becomes cheesy if done too often, too.

I say, let's lay of this cloning business and come up with something at least pseudo-original.

TKA-001
03-25-2009, 10:42 PM
Please note that I was working under the rules laid by the thread and the post I was responding to. I also agree that Dark Empire was hideous.

I also think that my own Thrawn Trilogy idea is somewhat lame as well; Not just for the idea of Galen surviving, but also the idea of shoehorning him into the Thrawn Trilogy. However, I felt that it would be best for me to be constructive in my post, so I ignored those factors.

Rev7
03-25-2009, 11:23 PM
Really interesting, and good, ideas. It would be really cool if LA made TFU2; however, I don't think that it's gonna happen...

Dark Obi-Wan
03-25-2009, 11:45 PM
Good thoughts Shem!

GeneralPloKoon
03-26-2009, 06:34 PM
Really interesting, and good, ideas. It would be really cool if LA made TFU2; however, I don't think that it's gonna happen...

Why not? From LA's point of view, its their most successful game yet, a sequel would probably equal more $!

Ztalker
03-30-2009, 06:09 AM
He doesn't have to face C'baoth and fight with a Clone.

Somehwere in the Thrawn trilogy, Wedge mentions the existence of C'baoth and he heard from Republic forces. Maybe Galen went on a scout mission and found C'baoth? The crazy Jedi doesn't have a lightsaber when he faces Luke, so Galen could be the reason he lost it.

Another idea:
Evade the Dark Empire storyline. Let Galen hunt after Carnor Jax or another Imperial/Sith figure. He can be outside-galaxy when 'difficult' storylines are in progress.
I'd love to see him fight at the Battle of Korriban though. Imagine fighting there, Jaden Korr running by, Luke and Kyle helping you out....

TKA-001
03-30-2009, 08:23 AM
He doesn't have to face C'baoth and fight with a Clone.

Somehwere in the Thrawn trilogy, Wedge mentions the existence of C'baoth and he heard from Republic forces. Maybe Galen went on a scout mission and found C'baoth? The crazy Jedi doesn't have a lightsaber when he faces Luke, so Galen could be the reason he lost it.
I always figured the reason C'baoth had no lightsaber was because he didn't need it.

Ztalker
03-30-2009, 10:05 AM
I always figured the reason C'baoth had no lightsaber was because he didn't need it.

True. He never used it.
However, the comic adaption does picture him with a lightsaber. But it isn't mentioned in the book he ever wears or uses one.
However, he DID kill the guardian of Wayland.

The Guardian of Mount Tantiss was a Dark Jedi assigned by Emperor Palpatine to guard his storehouse at Mount Tantiss. (Wookieepedia and the book)
And C'baoth killed that Dark Jedi and became the guardian himself. It is logical to asume he took at least took the Dark Jedi's saber somewhere to prevent his new subordinates from ever using it against him, or to put it in his throne room as a reminder of his prowess.

Wedge Suron
03-31-2009, 07:19 AM
How about Galen fight Luke Skywalker in a Dark Side ending of TFU2?

TKA-001
03-31-2009, 09:25 AM
And C'baoth killed that Dark Jedi and became the guardian himself. It is logical to asume he took at least took the Dark Jedi's saber somewhere to prevent his new subordinates from ever using it against him, or to put it in his throne room as a reminder of his prowess.
Maybe, but it's also implied that C'baoth is the only Guardian of Mount Tantiss that ever was there (reference: Dark Force Rising Sourcebook, I'm told).

The basic reasoning behind my own "Galen in Thrawn Trilogy" idea is because some people really like endings that are as ambiguous or open-ended as a game ending where the player doesn't know which Galen survived in the end.

Not that I think any such story should be canon, however, but it would still be interesting to see unfold.

Ztalker
03-31-2009, 02:49 PM
Hmmm. It could always be labeled 'Infinities' and ignore all canon elements :) it won't be canon itself then though.

GeneralPloKoon
03-31-2009, 06:20 PM
^You mean Tales, wasn't Infinities renamed to Tales? The Thrawn trilogy in visual game form would be awesome! But Impossible for a TFU sequel.

Ztalker
04-01-2009, 04:37 AM
^You mean Tales, wasn't Infinities renamed to Tales? The Thrawn trilogy in visual game form would be awesome! But Impossible for a TFU sequel.

Tales is non-canon too, correct. I meant this:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/0/04/Dhswinfinitiesesb1.jpg/382px-Dhswinfinitiesesb1.jpg
Those 'what if' scenario's in this case, if Luke had died on Hoth...you can see the normal continuity takes a spin. to such a degree that Yoda is forced to take up his lightsaber once again...and Han his blaster...

TFU 2 could be a 'Force Unleashed Infinities' in which you can completely rewrite the excisting canon. You can have Galen everywhere. Even in the movies under this brand.

Zerimar Nyliram
04-01-2009, 03:09 PM
Tales is not uncanonical as a whole. It is a collection of stories, most of which remain "ambiguously canonical" (in other words, they may have really happened, or they may not have) until either an Expanded Universe author references events that occurred in those stories, thus making them canon; or when Leland Chee randomly decides that he likes a story from Tales so much that he has decided to canonize it. And there are some stories contained in those volumes which are not canon whatsoever.

So Tales as a whole cannot be considered "canon" or "not canon." It is a collection of canonical, ambiguously canonical, and uncanonical works. The same holds true for the graphic novel Visionaries.

Infinities, on the other hand, are re-imaginings of the original Star Wars Trilogy which are not canon. They're just for fun.

GeneralPloKoon
04-01-2009, 05:12 PM
TFU 2 could be a 'Force Unleashed Infinities' in which you can completely rewrite the excisting canon. You can have Galen everywhere. Even in the movies under this brand.
That would be great! I think ultimate creativity and storyline can come from an un-conanoical game. I wish there was an uncanoical Star Wars game series, the possibilities would be unlimited!

Papa Smurf
04-04-2009, 05:24 AM
My opinion is that Galen should head off to some remote location to make contact with his father for the extensive time period between his "death" and episodes 4-6 (Like Obi-Wan with Qui-Gon) Then I think Juno should discover he's still alive and head off to find him. (I think having a little trip to Corellia to salvage the remains/rebuild a certain holo-droid might be in order)


just a thought.


Side Note, his first name being Galen, his full name would be Galen Nion would it not? (Kento Nion being his father)


anywho...

-Papa Smurf

Zerimar Nyliram
04-04-2009, 12:37 PM
His last name is Marek. His name was originally to be Jacob Nion, but they changed it because it sounded stupid. "Kento Nion" only appears as his father's name in the PS2/Wii version because they forgot to change it once the true Surname was announced.

Read the book. ;)

Rake
12-12-2009, 10:48 PM
I have a feeling they'll try to come up with some "out there" reason to place him in a completely unknown world. Perhaps crawling to an escape pod, or shuttle or something of the sort, waking up on an entirely "new" Star Wars planet. It would leave them open to create their own lore without fear of interference from all the conflicting stories out there, and also present the grounds for many other sequels.

Arannor
12-13-2009, 07:50 AM
Wow that's very interesting Shem! Looks like your idea is some what coming to be a reality!

Shem
12-14-2009, 06:21 AM
I can't believe my own gut feeling came true in a way. I was writing a way it could happen, but I couldn't shake the feeling that this would happen. Now he has dual lightsabers. This will be fun! :D

Darth Eclipse
12-14-2009, 08:42 AM
I just hope this game is released at the beginning of summer or the end of spring. Then I will have all summer break to play it, and companies never release games in the summer for some odd reason. (Slight exageration.)

mlbjunior
12-14-2009, 01:34 PM
That's what i thought whenever i first saw that commercial. He was still alive. Come on. Think about how they thought he was dead the first time. It's logical to think that he was revived again. It couldn't be a storyline covering the events before the first game like some have suggested for three reasons. (1) He seems somewhat older as far as his look in the teaser trailer goes, (2) he's remembering things that Vader said to him, not to mention his memory of Juno, and (3) though it seems impossible when you think about how powerful he was in the first game, that trailer made him out to be a lot stronger. His anger alone was enough to tear apart that corridor he was in. He wasn't even trying, duh.

Keeping in mind that it is most likely in future events, it'd be cool to think that he ran across Yoda in this one and gained more training. The memories he's having of Yoda also seem to point that way. I do agree somewhat with the prison idea, but i wouldn't know how that would work out with my theories. Maybe he was thrown out with the rest of the tash when they thought he was dead. He is then picked up by some slave ship or prison freighter which transports him to the arena he's at in the trailer (after they revive him ofcourse). He then escapes after having enough of getting by with being the sport for some collesium crowd to reunite with Juno and his friends from the rebellion. I'll bet Kota knows where to find Yoda, and THAT'S HOW HE GETS EXTRA TRAINING FROM HIM SINCE KOTA CAN'T USE THE FORCE ANYMORE! There's the connection.

Zerimar Nyliram
12-14-2009, 03:11 PM
Why can't Kota use the Force anymore?

TKA-001
12-14-2009, 05:11 PM
I'm not gonna lie, I like Starkiller's old lightsaber style better.

All that can be determined with certainty at this point is that Starkiller is alive again, and it takes place after TFU and before ANH. In either case, if we're lucky he'll be killed off for good this time.

Astor
12-14-2009, 05:27 PM
I'm not gonna lie, I like Starkiller's old lightsaber style better.

I hope that we'll have the choice of using one or two lightsabers, as I don't really like using two of them.

If we can't then the developers are obviously following the line of thought that more lightsabers = more awesome.

mstr kenobi
12-14-2009, 05:44 PM
if we're lucky he'll be killed off for good this time.

LOL

come on vader!!! make starkiller more powerfull than we can possibly imagine lol

well, if he holds the lightsabers in front of him i'm fine with dual
if he keeps both behind his back it's gonna look incredibly stupid,not to mention the impracticality

luke starslider
12-14-2009, 07:43 PM
That's what i thought whenever i first saw that commercial. He was still alive. Come on. Think about how they thought he was dead the first time. It's logical to think that he was revived again. It couldn't be a storyline covering the events before the first game like some have suggested for three reasons. (1) He seems somewhat older as far as his look in the teaser trailer goes, (2) he's remembering things that Vader said to him, not to mention his memory of Juno, and (3) though it seems impossible when you think about how powerful he was in the first game, that trailer made him out to be a lot stronger. His anger alone was enough to tear apart that corridor he was in. He wasn't even trying, duh.

Keeping in mind that it is most likely in future events, it'd be cool to think that he ran across Yoda in this one and gained more training. The memories he's having of Yoda also seem to point that way. I do agree somewhat with the prison idea, but i wouldn't know how that would work out with my theories. Maybe he was thrown out with the rest of the tash when they thought he was dead. He is then picked up by some slave ship or prison freighter which transports him to the arena he's at in the trailer (after they revive him ofcourse). He then escapes after having enough of getting by with being the sport for some collesium crowd to reunite with Juno and his friends from the rebellion. I'll bet Kota knows where to find Yoda, and THAT'S HOW HE GETS EXTRA TRAINING FROM HIM SINCE KOTA CAN'T USE THE FORCE ANYMORE! There's the connection.

I like your hypothesis! ;) I hope that it will ^^
I'm sure Galen has lost some of his memory, and he research the good side for him and find his (most beautifull) girlfriend!!! my Juno <3<3<3<3<3 ^^

Shem
12-14-2009, 08:49 PM
SINCE KOTA CAN'T USE THE FORCE ANYMORE! There's the connection.So what was Kota using when he called to Sidious' lightsaber on the Death Star? :rolleyes:

Oh, and what was Kota using when he was deflecting blaster bolts since he's blind? ;)

WraithPrince
12-14-2009, 09:54 PM
So what was Kota using when he called to Sidious' lightsaber on the Death Star? :rolleyes:

Oh, and what was Kota using when he was deflecting blaster bolts since he's blind? ;)

Can't everybody do that? :xp:

Anyway they better give him more then 2 emotions this time unless you count content then its 3 >_>

Cayal
12-14-2009, 10:14 PM
LOL

come on vader!!! make starkiller more powerfull than we can possibly imagine lol

well, if he holds the lightsabers in front of him i'm fine with dual
if he keeps both behind his back it's gonna look incredibly stupid,not to mention the impracticality

I can't imagine they'd use two for behind the back. Maybe one behind, one in front or two in front.

I am hoping you get an option for single, dual, double ended lightsabres.

mlbjunior
12-15-2009, 09:13 AM
I just remember him saying in the ps3 version that his connection to the force was cut when he went blind.

mstr kenobi
12-15-2009, 03:01 PM
I can't imagine they'd use two for behind the back. Maybe one behind, one in front or two in front.

I am hoping you get an option for single, dual, double ended lightsabres.

I hope you're right on both accounts,i'm all for better melee options(i dislike the maul sabre,but that's beside the point) and two behind the back would be just to much "look at me i'm sooooo awesome" for my tastes

logan23
12-15-2009, 09:45 PM
Hey,

Shem, I like your concept for the sequel since you are trying to get it out of a hard area in the star wars time line and bring it somewhere that allows for more freedom.

What I believe from the teaser is that He did die, but to play on the title force unleash is that his spirit can not rest. I'm assuming Yoda (since he knows how to contact force ghosts) that yoda could feel the disturbance in the Force and reach out to his spirit. Star killer will then go through a level before he returns to his body. He will then seek out Yoda through his vision of him..star killer will know where he is hiding. Yoda will become your new master but star killer is conflicted with hate and anger. Starkiller will continue his quest on his own...

I'm assuming that Juno dies and Starkiller will either blame himself or another. I don't know if she would die during the game due to your quest or that she dies just after you came back.

I do have to admit I have no idea where they are going to go with this but if they want to continue the saga of star killer they will have to do something like Shem mentioned at the end of the game since they can't kill him off again because they did that already in the first one.

I'm assuming the writers had the ending figured out first and build backwards the story.

I also think they will release the rest of the alternative star wars trilogy with DS star killer.

Just my 2 cents:thmbup1:

Logan

Darth Payne
12-19-2009, 06:00 PM
Actually, i read a fic a long time ago that had Galen wake up as his body was about to be discarded by stormtroopers. He killed them easily enough, put on the armor of one of them and proceeded to a nearby hangar where he stole a shuttle. The last scene of the story at that point had Galen crash the shuttle on an unknown planet due to an egine failure.:raise:

Also, i always thaught that Galen was merely on the brink of death at the end TFU?

Shem
12-20-2009, 03:31 AM
Actually, i read a fic a long time ago that had Galen wake up as his body was about to be discarded by stormtroopers. He killed them easily enough, put on the armor of one of them and proceeded to a nearby hangar where he stole a shuttle. The last scene of the story at that point had Galen crash the shuttle on an unknown planet due to an egine failure.:raise:Now that is an interesting idea.

Harkonnen07
12-20-2009, 04:57 AM
Now that is an interesting idea.

Better then a clone, or Yoda mysteriously showing up and saving him from certain death as I've seen someone else say.

JediSithLordAdas
01-08-2010, 06:50 PM
what if they expanded on Galen Marek using not only Dual Sabers, an Single Saber, also the Double Bladed Lighsaber? we only saw him using Single Saber combat in the 1st TFU, as well as Expanding on How Much Further his Force Abilities will go, maybe after the battle on the 1st death star to, that darth is the one left to dispose of the body, an uses the force once again to bring life into Galen Mareks character, this time, he is fired out of an escape pod in Darth Vaders Ship, an when Galen Wakes up on a planet, where he has no idea where he is, and 1 of the natives the speak basic, say he is a Jedi Knight, an they work off that.

bliznez
01-08-2010, 07:27 PM
Guys, u r soooooooo fu****ng into JKA here, i can see)))))))
The ideas i read here are all gr8, really i wish LA just takes any of them, they just all sound so coool as a acontinuation...... And sabers there- com'on, we dont need any half measures.
If u wanna have a choice of sabers- then have ALL of them- seriosly, not just two- sabers, and 1 saber- but Also-
Staff saber
dual sabers
normal (Single) saber
Backhand- saber
Grievous'- styled 4- held sabers
Lightsaber-disk
and all and All you can possibly imagine, each one with at least 2-3 styles of holding and weilding it (eg. for staff- saber there are kazdam paratus style, darth maul style, phobus style, etc..; for single- strong style, fast style, and so on)
OR...............
We have only 1 choice- 1 saber.
But evenhere- we dont need any half measures))))) We would need the ability to customise hilts, crystals of color, modification crystals - so, like in TFU1. but also, we should be able to change style of it, like in Jedi academy/ jedi outcast, so we get more control over it.
Thats, in my opinion, the only flaw that needs fixed- the saber combat
As for the rest, the best wishes to all fans and developers of Force Unleashed- series!
Lets just wait and hope, that they listen to our suggestions

Zerimar Nyliram
01-09-2010, 12:24 PM
You know what may actually be the best way of pulling this off? Not describing how he survived (or resurrected) at all, or very little. Just sort of glaze over it and leave it up to the players to come up with their own stipulations. Just leave it with "the Force was strong in him." We'll take it from there.

bliznez
01-11-2010, 02:16 AM
You know what may actually be the best way of pulling this off? Not describing how he survived (or resurrected) at all, or very little. Just sort of glaze over it and leave it up to the players to come up with their own stipulations. Just leave it with "the Force was strong in him." We'll take it from there.

Now, thats a posibility, eh? ;)
And then- Think of It!- theyll make another game of TFU series that explains what happened between tfu1 and tfu2 XDDDD

Shem
01-11-2010, 03:24 AM
You know what may actually be the best way of pulling this off? Not describing how he survived (or resurrected) at all, or very little. Just sort of glaze over it and leave it up to the players to come up with their own stipulations. Just leave it with "the Force was strong in him." We'll take it from there.That's a good way to cause a revolt and have critics talk about that type of move as being a cop out, especially since it's a big deal that Starkiller is still alive. :migraine:

Zerimar Nyliram
01-11-2010, 01:39 PM
Well yeah, but unfortunately a cop out may be in their best interests here. Yes, people will whine, but people will whine regardless. As we've pointed out time and time again, Galen being alive is extremely problematic and will be tough, if not impossible, to explain without being completely cheesy and cheap. And don't even get me started on that clone garbage.

I see it like this: they're going to have a sequel to a game where the main character quite plainly died at the end, so the premise is going to be awful by default. The damage has been done just by bringing him back, so just leave it at that. Don't make it even worse with some far-fetched explanation. All you need is "Galen Marek lives because strong with the Force." That's it. The game's plot is doomed to be cheesy no matter how you tackle this problem.

adamqd
01-11-2010, 02:17 PM
It's too over the top and Luke-belittling (New word lol)in the first place, for me even to consider any of it in my Canon/continuity... Its just awesome gaming IMO, so I have no trouble with how he's back, That (and the fact that ANH didn't try to explain what was happening it just drops you in the GCW) means I'm happy to accept Zerimar's idea.

Shem
01-11-2010, 03:52 PM
As we've pointed out time and time again, Galen being alive is extremely problematic and will be tough, if not impossible, to explain without being completely cheesy and cheap.I see it like this: they're going to have a sequel to a game where the main character quite plainly died at the end, so the premise is going to be awful by default. The damage has been done just by bringing him back, so just leave it at that. Don't make it even worse with some far-fetched explanation.So if an explanation of Starkiller using the Force to fool the Sith that he was dead, then they go dump the body and he wakes up and finds a way to escape the Death Star would be considered cheesy?

In fact, I wouldn't mind it being the first level you play, escaping the Death Star.

I think if they start the game where it ended would work. Show Starkiller supposedly dying and the dialogue between Sidious and Vader, but then add something new to extend it after they discuss how Starkiller is more powerful than ever because of his sacrifice and how the Rebellion they created will be their undoing. Like Sidious ordering Starkiller's body to be disposed of being shown instead of it cutting out like it did in the first game. As soon as it gets to a certain point, Starkiller wakes up and you begin your first level.

I just thought of a way where it can work without it being impossible too.

Yes, people will whine, but people will whine regardless.I can tell you right now that people would whine a lot more with your idea than a cheesy way to bring Starkiller back. The reviews from GameSpot, IGN, etc, would crucify it to no ends; saying something how LucasArts isn't creative enough to think of what to do, so they left it up to us sort of thing. That would be the worse thing they could do for the game.

And don't even get me started on that clone garbage.I agree with the clone thing being stupid and after evaluating it for a bit, I pretty much debunked it enough to know it won't happen.

All you need is "Galen Marek lives because strong with the Force." That's it. The game's plot is doomed to be cheesy no matter how you tackle this problem.Well, that is where I totally disagree with you.

Look, I do realize that just because I can come up with an explanation that isn't cheesy, doesn't mean LucasArts won't. I'm well aware of it.

But saying that no matter what you do it will be stupid and it's hopeless to make it good is very narrow-minded.

Zerimar Nyliram
01-11-2010, 04:02 PM
Point taken. That said, I actually like your idea for a first level.

Darth Payne
01-11-2010, 05:15 PM
At the moment i'm wondering if Lady Lumiya will be in the game at all.

Zerimar Nyliram
01-11-2010, 06:15 PM
You're serious? I highly doubt it, though part of me finds the prospect intriguing. Vader's secret apprentice versus Vader's other secret apprentice.

irish_texan
05-06-2011, 10:54 PM
Well, I have had this thought in my mind for quite some time and since there hasn't been a whole lot of discussion of the game in recent months along with the fact it will never build a modding community to make it a bigger community, I thought I would share thoughts that came to mind that I know some people may have interest in.

One thing I've noticed that people do not like is the fact that Starkiller, Darth Vader's secret apprenticed sacrificed his life in order to save the lives of the co-founders of the Rebel Alliance. It was tragic that he did die, but you had to kill him because he was way too powerful not to be in the original Star Wars trilogy. It was a way to tie up the loose ends.

Now, here is a thought I've had for a few months now that I have decided to share with you. Let's think hypothetically: What if Starkiller didn't die? What if Vader and Sidious thought he was dead at first, but realize later he really wasn't. He didn't have any visual marks on his body that would make you believe he was dead, though that really doesn't mean anything in the Star Wars universe if you know how things work.

So you're wondering where I'm going with this. Let's assume Starkiller didn't die. So what do you do with him in order to make it so he isn't a factor in the original trilogy, but keep him alive? You put him in prison. Once the Empire is defeated, the founders of the New Republic find him in prison somewhere. Now, keep in mind that if he didn't die there on the Death Star like we all presummed, it would almost be probable that the Emperor would kill him as he probably is too powerful to be kept alive. But how often do people not kill their enemies when they should have in movies? Like why did Mace Windu hesitate to kill Sidious to give Anakin enough time to react and save the Dark Lord? Why were the battle droids in TPM not opening fire on the surrendered Gungans, but instead are rounding them up as prisoners when Sidious ordered all of them to be wiped out before the battle started? Let's go one further. Starkiller didn't kill the Emperor when he had the chance.

Okay, so Starkiller is found alive and in prison by the Emperor after the events of the original trilogy. Maybe the Emperor had him tortured to make him suffer for all the problems Sidious was having with the Rebellion and that is the only reason the Emperor is keeping him alive is to get some satisfaction from it. Who knows? Maybe the reason Starkiller is willing himself to live is because he longs to be with Juno and hasn't given up hope that he'll be with her again some day.

Later, Juno then finds out that her long lost love is still alive after the Rebellion defeats the Empire. There you have the grounds to start a sequel to The Force Unleased. Then you come up with a story where the New Republic will not survive if Starkiller isn't finding along their side.

Now, if I was working for LucasArts and was trying to come up with a sequel to TFU, this would be an idea I would present to them. Unfortunately, I don't, so I wouldn't count on this idea you're reading to happen.

amazing idea. this should definitely have been the storyline. you should have pitched this to lucasarts whether you worked there or not. as it is, since they already made TFU2, you should pitch them this idea and ask them to use it in a new star wars game. i would play it for sure! i love games with great plots, and your idea for a storyline was certainly great.