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Jae Onasi
03-21-2009, 02:50 PM
I'm not interested in crucifying Obama for the comment about his bowling being like Special Olympics (though I am pleased that I''ve bowled better than his 129). It was a gaffe and he acknowledged it was a mistake. It's not the first mistake he made, nor will it be his last.

What I'd like to know is how it affected anyone who works with or has in their family any Special Olympiads. What did you think of his comment and what, if anything,, can he do to make it right? Does this help or hurt those who with special needs?

Adavardes
03-21-2009, 02:59 PM
I think that it was hilarious, and I'm sick of people being all "THAT'S NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT, WAH WAH WAAAAAAAAH". Screw politically correct, the man has wit, and a sense of humour, something that I think is a refreshing change from our former president. If you ever speak, personally, to a mentally challenged child, they will tell you that they want to be treated like everyone else, and everyone else gets made fun of in modern comedy, so why are they so sacred? It wasn't a gaff, I think it was the first time in a long time I've ever been proud of the president for having the ability to laugh at himself and tell a joke.

I'd prefer to keep censorship out of the United States. Something called the first amendment.

Miltiades
03-21-2009, 03:23 PM
@Adavardes: I agree wholeheartedly. There were no bad intentions in his words. He was just laughing at himself and telling a joke, for which he may compare himself to anyone.

mimartin
03-21-2009, 03:27 PM
First I’m not against people watching what they say in order not to put down another person. If they are watching what they said out of respect for that person I find that honorable. If they are only doing it so they are not crucified by the media or the other side then I do have a problem with political correctness.

It was a gaff and nothing more. He apologized for his remarks and I believe that should be the end of it.

However, I do believe he should accept Kolan McConiughey challenge, if the challenge is true, and bowl against the Special Olympics bowling champion. I believe the President of the United States bowling against a Special Olympian would bring understand and acceptance of this special segment of the worlds population.

What I'd like to know is how it affected anyone who works with or has in their family any Special Olympiads. What did you think of his comment and what, if anything,, can he do to make it right? I thought they were funny, but I don’t believe the President of the United States should be a comedian. Yes, his mere comments help, by bringing much needed attention to those with special needs. what, if anything,, can he do to make it right? By bringing attention to the issues surrounding those with special needs and by not handcuffing the scientific community, in the name of God, thus preventing them from doing proper research in the areas that may help this community. I believe Obama has already done this in reversing the previous administration decisions in this area. Does this help or hurt those who with special needs?
Help. It is always helpful to bring attention to those with special needs. I really hope President Obama does even more.

Kjølen
03-21-2009, 03:57 PM
I'd prefer to keep censorship out of the United States. Something called the second amendment.

Er, first amendment. The second one's about guns.

One of the things that people have to realize is that one of the six major roles the President of the United States is in is "Chief Citizen." This means he represents to the world the model of what a US citizen is. So, if people raise questions on whether or not our Chief Citizen should make jokes that could be offensive to the mentally handicapped, it's a valid concern.

Nedak
03-21-2009, 04:48 PM
I've worked with "special" people before. I don't think this is a big deal at all.

I mean who really gives a ****? He and every president should be judged by their actions while in office, not little jokes they make.

I'd prefer to keep censorship out of the United States. Something called the second amendment.
Amen to that.

I hope to see the President doing some Carlin jokes while in office if he shares the same belief. ;)

Adavardes
03-21-2009, 05:16 PM
Er, first amendment. The second one's about guns.

Fixed. My bad. XD

Zerimar Nyliram
03-21-2009, 10:24 PM
Yeah, I don't care about the "special Olympics" comment one bit. What Obama has done and continues to do to incinerate this country beyond recognition gives us plenty to talk about. This recent comment is the least of our concerns.

Jae Onasi
03-22-2009, 12:26 AM
I think that it was hilarious, and I'm sick of people being all "THAT'S NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT, WAH WAH WAAAAAAAAH". Screw politically correct
I know what he was trying to get at. Making fun of the mentally disabled to make a joke that ended up being at their expense wasn't appropriate, and he recognized that later. If he'd said 'dead amoebas bowl better than I do', it would have been fine.

, the man has wit, and a sense of humour, something that I think is a refreshing change from our former president.
That's not what I vote for in a President. I care about their ability to lead the country, not their ability to make a joke.

If you ever speak, personally, to a mentally challenged child, they will tell you that they want to be treated like everyone else, and everyone else gets made fun of in modern comedy, so why are they so sacred?
Because you don't make fun of people who aren't capable of fighting back for themselves on equal footing. At least Obama has courtesy figured out.

It wasn't a gaff, I think it was the first time in a long time I've ever been proud of the president for having the ability to laugh at himself and tell a joke.If he'd been laughing only at himself, and said something like 'seaweed would get a higher bowling score than me', I'd never have had an issue. The fact that he made the gaffe of implying that an entire class of people are as incapable as he is was impolite.

I'd prefer to keep censorship out of the United States. Something called the first amendment.
There's a huge difference between being sensitive and courteous and censorship.

EnderWiggin
03-22-2009, 12:33 AM
Yeah, I don't care about the "special Olympics" comment one bit. What Obama has done and continues to do to incinerate this country beyond recognition gives us plenty to talk about. This recent comment is the least of our concerns.
:rolleyes:

We need a troll smiley :dozey:

_EW_

Adavardes
03-22-2009, 12:42 AM
I know what he was trying to get at. Making fun of the mentally disabled to make a joke that ended up being at their expense wasn't appropriate, and he recognized that later. If he'd said 'dead amoebas bowl better than I do', it would have been fine.

Not seeing why I should care. It was a joke, it wasn't like he was saying "retards should be burned at the stake", or something absolutely horrifying. This is taking something simple and humourous, and blowing it way out of proportion.

That's not what I vote for in a President. I care about their ability to lead the country, not their ability to make a joke.

I totally agree. Luckily, he has both.

Because you don't make fun of people who aren't capable of fighting back for themselves on equal footing. At least Obama has courtesy figured out.

This comes down to censorship and political correctness, and to pretend that it's about common courtesy is absurd at best. This is about not stepping on the toes of activist groups that over-react at the slightest little thing because they can't handle a joke, or a turn of phrase.

If he'd been laughing only at himself, and said something like 'seaweed would get a higher bowling score than me', I'd never have had an issue. The fact that he made the gaffe of implying that an entire class of people are as incapable as he is was impolite.

1. Comparing yourself to the skill of seaweed in a sport is not nearly as funny as comparing yourself to a 'tard.

2. Bawww, it was impolite, somebody call the care police. Please do not resort to personal attacks and snarkiness to make your point. The description of Kavar’s Corner states – “A place for friendly discussion of serious topics.” Let’s try to keep it that way. ~ mimartin :)
There's a huge difference between being sensitive and courteous and censorship.

Are we really going to cater to every single person's idea of rudeness or lack of manners? When do we draw the line? You can't call a black person black anymore, you have to call them African American, despite the fact that all people of the black ethnicity are not of African descent, nor do they all live in America. How many people do we have to make happy? How is freedom of speech truly free if we don't actually have the freedom to say what we want if it upsets people? I hear a lot of conservatives complaining about a democrat in office signalling the end of basic freedoms, but then the Christians or charity activists or whatever, most of them from that same group, turn around and tell us to censor our speech because they don't like it.

How far? Hm?

Nedak
03-22-2009, 12:43 AM
Yeah, I don't care about the "special Olympics" comment one bit. What Obama has done and continues to do to incinerate this country beyond recognition gives us plenty to talk about. This recent comment is the least of our concerns.

Hahaha, what are you even talking about?

Tommycat
03-22-2009, 07:59 AM
Hmmmm this is interesting... Bush makes a verbal gaff in humorous intent, RHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HE'S A MONSTER! Obama makes a gaff, and it's "give it a rest already!"

Those of you that think Bush has no wit or sense of humor have not actually listened to much of his general dialogue(when he's not reading his speech). Like when he was accepting the international medal of Peace(How Ironic is that). Or you just hate the man and use any opportunity to bash him.

As for Obama's remark. Meh it's nothing I wouldn't have said myself if I only bowled a 129. Then again, I make a lot of remarks that might tick people off if I said them on national TV. I also don't happen to be the representative for the country(thank your lucky stars for that haha). So it is a little different. As a public figure in politics, he should be a bit more cautious than the rest of us. But as I said, it really isn't a big deal.

mimartin
03-22-2009, 08:43 AM
Obama makes gaff, Obama apologizes.

Bush makes gaff, Bush’s team attacks media over being bias.

There is a difference.

TSR
03-22-2009, 08:49 AM
I think it was brilliant. Hell, I like the guy.

Better than our PM at any rate.

Zerimar Nyliram
03-22-2009, 02:09 PM
Hahaha, what are you even talking about?

Uh, have you been to the United States lately?

Are there seriously people out there who still like Obama, or are you just being sarcastic. I have a hard time sensing sarcasm sometimes. :(

jrrtoken
03-22-2009, 02:28 PM
Uh, have you been to the United States lately?Well, yeah, the economy has gone down the crapper. But it's not like it's Obama's fault; Bush just putted around and let it go to hell. At least Obama is attempting to fix it, whether or not his methods will truly works has yet to be seen, but at least someone is doing something about it, rather than letting the economy "fix itself".

Q
03-22-2009, 02:57 PM
I think that everyone here has misspoken at one time or another and most likely several times.

I think that all of the massive bailouts only amount to so much turd-polishing, but we'll see.

Nedak
03-22-2009, 03:50 PM
Uh, have you been to the United States lately?

Are there seriously people out there who still like Obama, or are you just being sarcastic. I have a hard time sensing sarcasm sometimes. :(

I don't like Obama, nor have I liked any past president we've had for a long time. But if you think one man is ruining our country, you need to do some serious reading.

How about you give some examples on how the man is ruining our country?

Well, yeah, the economy has gone down the crapper. But it's not like it's Obama's fault; Bush just putted around and let it go to hell. At least Obama is attempting to fix it, whether or not his methods will truly works has yet to be seen, but at least someone is doing something about it, rather than letting the economy "fix itself".

Exactly.

People seem to think that Obama caused the economic crisis. That's a joke.

Also, I wouldn't say OBAMA is fixing anything, all he did was sign the package.

Lord of Hunger
03-22-2009, 05:44 PM
The fact that Obama had to apologize (which was probably done out of political expedience anyway) is one of thousands of examples that the promise of free speech is a lie. You have the right to say what you want...UNLESS:

1) It is considered racist, sexist, or pokes fun in any way against a member of a minority.
2) You belong to the so-called "majority" (white protestant male), in which case an "African American" may call themselves or a member of their racial group a ****** but you can't.
3) It contains a "bad word".
4) It contradicts a well-established urban myth, societal norm, or popular idea.
5) If it by any means leaves you open to being sued.
6) If it goes against the popular political ideology of the time.
7) If it defends an unpopular individual or criticizes a popular individual.

Freedom of Speech is a lie, an empty promise that has been handed down from politician to politician and force-fed via our obviously biased media outlets (usually TV goes left wing and radio for the right wing).

As for Bush and Obama....

Bush: The guy wasn't the best speaker or the best administrator, but he has been demonized. Yes, he made a lot of mistakes, but not only have they been blown out of proportion but many of them were supported by his Democratic opponents (hell, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry voted for the Iraq War and our current President Obama voted for the Patriot Act). He is obviously not a moron as he reads, is bilingual (most Americans cannot claim such), and excises plenty. And we've had worse then him.

Obama: He's sort of an enigma to me. During the campaign he promoted a lot of platforms that I opposed and gave me the impression of a strong leftist. When he got elected he instantly transformed into the very president I was hoping for: a moderate and efficient individual who is willing to reach out when he can but knows when to give people the finger and just get the job done. He's not the Messiah, but there are only a few things (mostly foreign policy stuff) that I've disagreed with. From every indication I'm getting, his actions are helping to fix this mess (which is the result of a cultural problem rather than just a few people as it's made out to be) and get us back on our feet.

Zerimar Nyliram
03-22-2009, 07:54 PM
Yeah, I never said Obama was the one person who ruined our country, you just assumed. But he's certainly making it worse with his redistribution of wealth.

As for Bush "doing nothing," he pretty much gave us an economic golden age. Until the House democrats overturned everything and bound his hands. The state of the economy has nothing to do with Bush whatsoever.

jrrtoken
03-22-2009, 08:06 PM
Yeah, I never said Obama was the one person who ruined our country, you just assumed. But he's certainly making it worse with his redistribution of wealth.I doubt it for, many reasons, mainly because "reditribution of wealth" is always used as an ignorant anti-socialist phrase, that has no real merit.As for Bush "doing nothing," he pretty much gave us an economic golden age. Until the House democrats overturned everything and bound his hands. The state of the economy has nothing to do with Bush whatsoever.Oh yeah, that makes a lot sense, especially when under Bush the national deficit doubled. Thanks, Dubya.

Jae Onasi
03-22-2009, 09:20 PM
With the way the economy cycles, every President who serves 2 terms is going to have a few years of a good economy and a few years of a bad economy, barring some long lasting economic disaster like the Great Depression. Presidents are given way too much credit for the good economic years and way too much blame for the bad years. No one person can determine the economy, even a President.

mimartin
03-22-2009, 09:22 PM
Why isn’t it considered redistribution of wealth when you take money from the middle class and give to the rich? Or is that all right?

As for Bush "doing nothing," he pretty much gave us an economic golden age. Until the House democrats overturned everything and bound his hands. The state of the economy has nothing to do with Bush whatsoever. The Democrats were the ones that deregulated the banking industry? The Democrats were the one that allowed for the banking industry to get in the speculation markets? I’m surprised I thought my former Senator from Texas, Phil Gram, was a Republican.

EnderWiggin
03-22-2009, 09:46 PM
Yeah, I never said Obama was the one person who ruined our country, you just assumed. But he's certainly making it worse with his redistribution of wealth.

As for Bush "doing nothing," he pretty much gave us an economic golden age. Until the House democrats overturned everything and bound his hands. The state of the economy has nothing to do with Bush whatsoever.

Wow, I wish you had some actual empirical evidence to back up these obviously libelous (and rather factually incorrect) words :dozey:

_EW_

Q
03-22-2009, 10:14 PM
Yeah, I never said Obama was the one person who ruined our country, you just assumed. But he's certainly making it worse with his redistribution of wealth.
I'm not too fond of it myself, BUT...
As for Bush "doing nothing," he pretty much gave us an economic golden age.
LOLWUT?
Until the House democrats overturned everything and bound his hands.
The Republicans cut taxes and then spent like drunken sailors on a three-day pass to Amsterdam.
The state of the economy has nothing to do with Bush whatsoever.
Um, how about the huge expense of a worthless military endeavor like Iraq? How about deregulating finance while allowing everyone in Congress (from both parties) to take part in looting it and then forcing the taxpayers to foot the bill? Obama and the Democrats are no better, but I can't see how they could be much worse at this point. They're all lying crooks as far as I'm concerned.

Web Rider
03-24-2009, 02:45 PM
Honestly I think the "Special Olympics" is a load anyway. Yeah OM he just said wut?!? Yeah really it is and everyone knows it, that's why all but a few people thought Obama's joke was funny, because we all know it, there's no "sport" to the Special Olympics, there's no real competition. Oh yeah, we know that sports are good for anyone regardless of mental capacity, but we don't watch sports to see people feel happy. We watch sports to see people who have spent their lives training to do something that most people can only dream of do their thing!

If you've got the mental capacity to understand the ways in which Obama's joke was offensive, you're not the target of it. Nobody was hurt, except people who spend their time looking for a new way in which to be offended. What, he should throw more money at the biggest running joke in sports? All the people who support the Special Olympics, you know what you're doing? You're saying "Awwww, they suck at sports but can still be good when competing against other mentally handicapped people but are clearly not capable for competing with REAL athletes."

And ya know, sure, if makes them feel good what they do, but don't for an instant think that the Special Olympics comes anywhere near real sports.

Yeah, Obama's comment was dumb for a politician. He should do the whole "I'm sorry" speech and whatever. But what he said is what most people think about the Special Olympics.

Samnmax221
03-24-2009, 03:46 PM
Like wow, the presidents human and stuff, big whoop.
There's a huge difference between being sensitive and courteous and censorship.
No, there isn't.


Speaking from the position of someone who was forced to volunteer (Voluntold) to help out with the Special Olympics, I can say without fault that there is no such thing as handicapable.

Tommycat
03-26-2009, 04:22 AM
Oh yeah, that makes a lot sense, especially when under Bush the national deficit doubled. Thanks, Dubya.

As opposed to the nearly $TRILLION deficit THIS YEAR? Obama has ushered in THE LARGEST deficit ever.

But this is heading WAY off topic.

And mimartin, every time Bush made a gaff, he was crucified in the media, EVEN WHEN HE IMMEDIATELY APPOLOGIZED. And he did appologize every time. It was when teh media continued to criticize him that the Republican party criticized the media for continuing the bashing.

Again, I still feel this is much ado about nothing. Sure the president should be more careful with his wording. But lets face it, it was just a joke.

mimartin
03-26-2009, 08:30 AM
And mimartin, every time Bush made a gaff, he was crucified in the media, EVEN WHEN HE IMMEDIATELY APPOLOGIZED. And he did appologize every time. It was when teh media continued to criticize him that the Republican party criticized the media for continuing the bashing.

No, no no. You're correct about the end of his Presidency once America figured out he was one of the worse Presidents in American history and his popularity went to an all-time lows. Yet, we forget at one time President Bush was one of the most popular Presidents of all-time too. At that time anyone that criticized him was considered un-American, be it the media, celebrities, families of 911 victims or just regular citizens. And no, he did not apologize for every gaff and he did not forgive others when they made a gaff against him. He did not have to at the time, he was one of the most popular Presidents at the time and we were fighting terrorist. He was above that.

Adavardes
03-26-2009, 11:56 AM
And mimartin, every time Bush made a gaff, he was crucified in the media, EVEN WHEN HE IMMEDIATELY APPOLOGIZED. And he did appologize every time. It was when teh media continued to criticize him that the Republican party criticized the media for continuing the bashing.

Kind of like how the media "bashed" Palin during the elections? I'm sorry, but sometimes an incompetent idiot trying to lead is just an incompetent idiot trying to lead. The media can only do so much to twist words, and most of the cases where I saw Bush's idiocy or Palin's complete incapability was from them, live, in their own words. So yeah, drop the "we were unjustly targeted" act, nobody's buying it.

But back to the topic at hand.

And ya know, sure, if makes them feel good what they do, but don't for an instant think that the Special Olympics comes anywhere near real sports.

Maybe this is just my extremely anti-sports bias talking, but I think that any and all sports, regardless of how amazing you think what they're doing is, are completely pointless, and a huge waste of time and entertainment. It's kind of sad that we've come so far, yet haven't gotten over our need for a colloseum. So, really, I have no trouble calling the Special Olympics a sport. It's a form of entertainment testing physical ability, just like any other sport, it makes them feel good about themselves, and shows them that they can accomplish what they set out to.

The sanctity of something so utterly useless to society is, in my opinion, not a concern.

mur'phon
03-26-2009, 01:28 PM
Then what is usefull entertainment? At least sport keep many people fit who otherwise would be couch potatoes.

Jae Onasi
03-26-2009, 04:40 PM
I disagree that sports are useless. I enjoy watching football and baseball, but I hate participating in a lot of sports, but I love Taekwondo. I suck at most sports because of a knee with no cartilage left, weight, and asthma. However, I'm good at tkd because it requires thought, precision, and most importantly, dedication and focus. If I never did Taekwondo, I never would have learned that yes, I could do 200 pushups, 200 sit-ups, and then do 2 hours of heavy physical activity for my 1st Dan black belt test and make it because I had learned how to pace myself and worked my butt off for years to get to that point. I never would have learned that I could do some very simple things to protect myself and that I could flip a guy a foot taller and 50 pounds heavier than me and make him cry out in pain to boot. I would have never learned the magic of being so 'in the moment' that I could create just the perfect movement at just the right point in time in order to break multiple boards at one time. I would not have developed the flexibility and strength that helped me recover faster from my knee surgery. I would not have learned the beauty of movement in the absolutely perfect form and how good it feels when you know you've nailed it. I would never have learned just how amazing my body is, even one as crapped out as mine.

I'll never win a black belt sparring match because I'm just not fast enough. However, I have won several trophies for doing forms (kata in karate), not because I'm the most athletic, but because I worked harder over the course of years to achieve the focus necessary to have every single part of my body in the right position at just the right time in order to do the form more precisely than anyone else did at those particular competitions. There are also some things about fighting that you cannot learn without actually doing the sport of sparring--like how much force is required to move someone, how far you can go with an armlock without dislocating a shoulder, how to work through minor pain to achieve your goal and learn just how tough you really are in the process. These are things you can't learn any other way but in a sport.

Poo-poo it if you want, Adavardes, but you're the one missing out. The problem isn't sports. The problem is you haven't found the right one for _you_--the one that makes you want to do it no matter what else you have going on. It took me 35 years to find Taekwondo. I encourage you to find the one that's right for you. Your body will thank you for it years down the road.

jrrtoken
03-26-2009, 05:34 PM
The problem isn't sports; the problem is Western society's (especially America's) absolute fixation on sports.

The fact that almost every major sport has effectively created a cult of athlete adoration amongst everyone, especially children, has essentially corrupted our society, especially when it comes to academia.

EnderWiggin
03-26-2009, 06:06 PM
Poo-poo it if you want, Adavardes, but you're the one missing out. The problem isn't sports. The problem is you haven't found the right one for _you_--the one that makes you want to do it no matter what else you have going on. It took me 35 years to find Taekwondo. I encourage you to find the one that's right for you. Your body will thank you for it years down the road.

Agree, Jae :)

_EW_

Web Rider
03-26-2009, 10:45 PM
Maybe this is just my extremely anti-sports bias talking, but I think that any and all sports, regardless of how amazing you think what they're doing is, are completely pointless, and a huge waste of time and entertainment. It's kind of sad that we've come so far, yet haven't gotten over our need for a colloseum. So, really, I have no trouble calling the Special Olympics a sport. It's a form of entertainment testing physical ability, just like any other sport, it makes them feel good about themselves, and shows them that they can accomplish what they set out to.
While I would agree that this is true for commercialized mass-media sports, I don't think this is true for sports themselves. People are social animals that need physical exercise and have a desire to compete. People enjoy competing in a non-violent matter, or at least a non-deadly manner, and people enjoy watching the sports.

Watching sports can be a little pointless I suppose, but I don't think participating in sports is pointless. I think it's a very useful practice for the kind of creatures humans are. If nothing else, it's a great mating call.

The sanctity of something so utterly useless to society is, in my opinion, not a concern.
I don't really care if sports are thought of as something that needs to be kept "sacred", as I think evolving rules that adapt for changes in playstyle and competitors is very necessary to keeping it inventive and healthy.