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jrrtoken
09-04-2009, 09:28 PM
Yet another fanciful Galactic Timeline update for this week. Linky. (http://swtor.com/info/holonet/timeline/empire-changes-strategy)


On a side note, I smell yet another Sith class...




...as well as another oddly-written element; Sith allying themselves with Mandalorians to defeat the Republic? :raise:

Giant Graffiti
09-04-2009, 10:22 PM
Every time someone calls it the Empire, I die a little inside. :(

Tommycat
09-04-2009, 10:38 PM
Every time someone calls it the Empire, I die a little inside. :(

Sith Empire... not Galactic Empire. And at least the "good" guys aren't Rebels

DAWUSS
09-05-2009, 12:14 AM
Sith Empire... not Galactic Empire. And at least the "good" guys aren't Rebels

But it's pretty close to the "looks like a duck, sounds like a duck..."

RogueJedi86
09-05-2009, 12:22 AM
The Mandalorians reduced to puppets of the Sith, what a disgrace.


And calling the Sith "the Empire" at least helps deal with the confusion of a Sith class. If you call the entire faction the Sith, you risk confusion when you refer to the Sith Warrior. "The Sith are a part of the Sith", something like that.

adamqd
09-05-2009, 07:07 AM
What A load of Pony... Although, now I know that "Mandalore" Is in no way a true Mandalore I can deal with the stupid Helmet, well put together time-line, but hella crap story. They'll have time-lines about How Sith like to go on Vacation with there friends and family next.

Rinku
09-05-2009, 08:56 AM
The Mandalorians reduced to puppets of the Sith, what a disgrace.

Agreed that just made me have second thoughts about my class...

jrrtoken
09-05-2009, 09:14 AM
I don't know about the rest of y'all, but now that the True Sith, an exotic, millennia-old sect of powerful dark-siders, has been reduced to a bumbling army of bureaucrats, I'm a bit... disappointed, to say the least. :giveup:

Jeff
09-05-2009, 11:12 AM
On a side note, I smell yet another Sith class...Mandalorian Warrior (or something else since we already have Sith Warrior)? I had been hoping and kind of thinking this was a coming Sith class since a previous one of these videos, the Sith will really have an awesome class lineup IMO if this is true.

jrrtoken
09-05-2009, 11:40 AM
Mandalorian Warrior (or something else since we already have Sith Warrior)?I had "Imperial Spy" in mind, but I suppose that it's inevitable that we'll also see some Mandalorian Fanboy Fantasy Fulfillment™.

jonathan7
09-05-2009, 11:40 AM
What A load of Pony... Although, now I know that "Mandalore" Is in no way a true Mandalore I can deal with the stupid Helmet, well put together time-line, but hella crap story. They'll have time-lines about How Sith like to go on Vacation with there friends and family next.

I really quite like these time-line things; and to be fair I quite like this plot line, this may of course be because I dislike Mandalorians; at least the Sith are honest about their bloodlust; Mandalorians try and hide their horrific acts behind some sort of "honour code". Besides, it at least seems to me, that the Mandalorians were Manipulated into the Mandalorian War by the Sith - Canderous says as much in K1.

Jeff
09-05-2009, 11:43 AM
I had "Imperial Spy" in mind, but I suppose that it's inevitable that we'll also see some Mandalorian Fanboy Fantasy Fulfillment™.Ah duh, that one should have been obvious as well. Well, those two could be the last two Sith classes possibly.

Miltiades
09-05-2009, 11:48 AM
Was that Mandalore the Ultimate?

Jeff
09-05-2009, 11:50 AM
Was that Mandalore the Ultimate?He looked pretty familiar to say the least, but I'm not up to date on all the different Mandalores. Might be right.

jrrtoken
09-05-2009, 11:54 AM
Besides, it at least seems to me, that the Mandalorians were Manipulated into the Mandalorian War by the Sith - Canderous says as much in K1.I always interpreted it as the Mandalorians were "pushed" into their Neo-Crusades through external True Sith pressure/force, rather than a behind-the-scenes coup. I felt that the Mandalorian Wars was simply a diversion to cripple both the Republic and the Jedi, in order for the True Sith to reveal themselves immediately afterwards the conflict's resolution.

Of course, I wouldn't consider 300 years to be "immediately afterwards", but to each his own.

Zerimar Nyliram
09-05-2009, 01:26 PM
Well, that was interesting. The only thing I can't stand is how slowly they're putting these timeline updates out. I'm mainly interested in the really early stuff, but at this rate it'll be years before we see any of that.

Lord of Hunger
09-05-2009, 03:35 PM
1) PastramiX, you are close. The most likely reason is that the True Sith were still building up, so they wanted to keep the Republic from continuing to grow. Thus, the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War significantly weakened them, even though they ultimately recovered.

2) The reason why the Sith Empire seems so much like the Galactic Empire and there are no Ancient Sith running around is that:

a) The Ancient Sith are now very few in numbers.
b) Most of the Sith Empire's new population are people of the Republic seduced into serving under the Sith banner. A lot of those people were probably the sort of individuals who would be Imperials in the Galactic Empire.

CrisG
09-05-2009, 04:35 PM
I would like to know more about the Force War on Tython in 22,130

Zerimar Nyliram
09-05-2009, 05:07 PM
Same here, but like I said, it'll be years before we see that stuff at this rate. By my calculations, they'll get to the early Jedi stuff in late 2011 or early 2012.

RogueJedi86
09-05-2009, 06:59 PM
Agreed that just made me have second thoughts about my class...


Well I didn't mean it like that. I intend on playing a Republic Trooper anyways, so these revelations don't change anything about my class choice. I've doubted Mandalorians as a class for a while now(Bounty Hunter kinda fits that niche). Imperial Agent as a class works though.

Fredi
09-05-2009, 07:54 PM
Cool, I bet there are many people that would like to be spies. Hope they make this Imp Agent.

Litofsky
09-05-2009, 09:30 PM
Mmm, I'm not entirely sure what my feelings are on this. We got hints in KotOR about the outlying forces that pushed the Mandalorian Wars upon the Republic, but, only three hundred years later, they've been reduced to a puppet of the Sith.

Of course, the main reason I'm distressed is because my vision of the shadow-lurking, devious Sith Empire is being bashed by repeated videos of 'Imperial' (gorramit, they had to use the same name?) Intelligence, accompanied by pictures of remarkably-similar-to-OT garbed Imperials. So much for my view of lurking, dangerous Sith.

At any rate, I think that having a 'puppet' faction of the Mandalorians is entirely plausible, but a little odd, considering that the Mandalorians seek to find the worthiest/biggest battle they can, and the Sith Empire would seem a logical choice for such a battle.

I'm a bit disappointed at the similarities between the 'Sith Empire' and the Empire, but I sincerely hope that they think of an original story/plot line (hmmm, why does the plot of having a Sith Lord initiate a war that brings the Republic to its knees sound familiar? [there are numerous other ways to destroy the Republic than waging war, for goodness' sake]).

RogueJedi86
09-05-2009, 10:55 PM
Sith aren't known for subtlety(Palpatine aside). They're more about brute force. On the name, I think that helps lure in non-KotOR fans who knew about the original movies. What other name would they go by? Sith Triumvirate? Sith States of America? Calling them just Sith would be confusing, since they have a class that goes by that name too.

Litofsky
09-05-2009, 11:00 PM
Perhaps, but it just feels... old. The plot feels like I've seen it already, and something far more sinister could have been undertaken to undermine the Republic. Not everything falls by bayonet. Subtlety worked for Kreia, if my memory recalls. She worked all angles from the shadows, and brought down the Sith and the Jedi.

As for a name, anything besides something that includes 'Empire.' We already had the Empire, we don't need a Sith Empire. At least, in my opinion.

RogueJedi86
09-05-2009, 11:10 PM
What else could they be called that gets the same dominating feel across? The Sith Dictatorship? Or what?

Litofsky
09-05-2009, 11:18 PM
The Dark Oligarchy? At this point, avoiding the name 'Empire' would be a sign that this is something original, and not a partial rip-off of the OT.

RogueJedi86
09-05-2009, 11:24 PM
What about the Rakata in KotOR1? "The Infinite EMPIRE"? The KotOR era has never been entirely original. I think the Sith were called the Sith Empire even in KotOR 1.

Litofsky
09-05-2009, 11:31 PM
Just because I didn't mention it doesn't mean I support it. :p Original names are hard to come by, and all the better when they do appear.

adamqd
09-06-2009, 07:49 AM
I really quite like these time-line things; and to be fair I quite like this plot line, this may of course be because I dislike Mandalorians; at least the Sith are honest about their bloodlust; Mandalorians try and hide their horrific acts behind some sort of "honour code". Besides, it at least seems to me, that the Mandalorians were Manipulated into the Mandalorian War by the Sith - Canderous says as much in K1.

Don't get me wrong I am no Mando-fan-boy, I just envisioned Mandalore, whether manipulated, Honorable or Bloodthirsty, to be a true Warrior none the less, not some Sith placeholder.

Nedak
09-06-2009, 02:34 PM
I really hope there aren't any other force sensitive classes.

Litofsky
09-06-2009, 02:57 PM
I really hope there aren't any other force sensitive classes.

You mean besides the mandatory Jedi Knight of Great Wisdom™.

DAWUSS
09-07-2009, 09:58 PM
The Mandalorians reduced to puppets of the Sith, what a disgrace.


Mandalore the Master Chief was a puppet of Revan, so...


But yeah, they basically just ruined the image they built up of Mandalore the Gladiator. He went from badass to fraud in one update.

DAWUSS
09-07-2009, 09:59 PM
Sith aren't known for subtlety(Palpatine aside). They're more about brute force. On the name, I think that helps lure in non-KotOR fans who knew about the original movies. What other name would they go by? Sith Triumvirate? Sith States of America? Calling them just Sith would be confusing, since they have a class that goes by that name too.

Union of the Sith Lords? Sith Union?


Ah wait, you wanted original...