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Sp!ker
03-30-2011, 05:17 AM
I would like to ask you, will be lightsabers improved? In my opinion they look Horrible ... like an ordinary stick not a lightsaber ... Thank you for your answers and excuse me for my terrible English :-)

adamqd
03-30-2011, 02:43 PM
I have to admit, initially we all attacked Bioware for the size of the Hilts, which they resized to a certain degree, but yea, I have noticed that the actual Blade itself looks kinda flat and stick-like, not at all bright and fuzzy like the films and all other games have established, little bit more light and edge blur please :)

Sp!ker
03-30-2011, 07:44 PM
100% agree ;)

Sabretooth
03-31-2011, 12:09 AM
Lego lego everywhere, and not a piece to build

Tommycat
03-31-2011, 12:06 PM
It really depends on which images you're looking at. The most recent ones look way better than the Pringles-saber.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEtIhKe0gOQ

LordOfTheFish
03-31-2011, 01:20 PM
Thanks for sharing that video, Tommycat, I was still in agreement with most about the lightsabers looking rather ugly, but those are not that bad. The blade could be a little thicker, though...

Tommycat
03-31-2011, 02:28 PM
The blade could be a little thicker, though...

I'm afraid to ask for it... I mean I could see them adjusting it a bit too much, and BAM Baseball-bat-saber. These look pretty good to me. I mean the sabers in the OT were pretty thin.

Sp!ker
03-31-2011, 07:42 PM
thicker blade, more light and edge blur and reduce the size of hilt and it will be perfect... :-)

Jeff
03-31-2011, 09:14 PM
I agree that they don't look very good...it's hard to pinpoint exactly what doesn't look good but my biggest problem is with the blade, not the hilt. I basically want it to look exactly like the lightsabers in the prequels. I think the problem is that they are thicker at the base than at the tip.

Tommycat
03-31-2011, 09:16 PM
thicker blade, more light and edge blur and reduce the size of hilt and it will be perfect... :-)

I think the hilt size is fine. To be honest, I think the sabers are pretty well fine as they are. And at least you can holster(belt clip) them unlike KotOR or TSL where you just carried them in your hands everywhere.

Liverandbacon
04-01-2011, 12:34 PM
The hilts have been way improved, but the blade looks a bit off. The width seems ok, but it looks strangely flat, perhaps because the separation of the white 'core' and the colored part is too defined, not a more gradual fade-in, though there could be some other reason.

I've noticed that while the graphics are still cartoonish, they're way less exaggerated (especially character models) than early screens showed. IMO this is a good thing, and the 'stylized graphics' fad is just as annoying as the much hated 'everything is gray and brown because we're gritty and realistic and other colors don't exist in war zones/the future' graphics.

Sabretooth
04-01-2011, 03:07 PM
It's the same reason why CG movies still look cartoony instead of looking increasingly realistic, as was expected. It's cheaper, and you can get away with it.

IIRC, Borderlands shifting to the stylised graphics was a major thing. Back when it was announced and the first screenies were shown, there was little to differentiate the game from your average post-apo shooter.

Of course, that probably has more to do with the game and its story itself than it has to do with graphics, but so long as that's that, everyone's going to go stylised, rather than risk competing with Crytek and not being good enough to stand out.

ChAiNz.2da
04-01-2011, 04:27 PM
As with most MMO's the sabers/graphics are probably low poly, low impact to ensure the smoothest possible framerate...

You think griefing over an MMO vs SP is bad? Just wait till a raid is failed because graphics on server side hang. Talk about "ugh" days on the forums. Half the users revert to their inner 10 year old. ;)

Mav
04-01-2011, 09:45 PM
This doesn't matter to me, I don't think my Smuggler will be using a lightsaber much, though I could be wrong.

Tommycat
04-03-2011, 01:23 PM
This doesn't matter to me, I don't think my Smuggler will be using a lightsaber much, though I could be wrong.

After Galaxies, I got tired of sabers. I got so sick of hearing them because of all the Force Whine in the forums...

Liverandbacon
04-03-2011, 11:28 PM
It's the same reason why CG movies still look cartoony instead of looking increasingly realistic, as was expected. It's cheaper, and you can get away with it.

IIRC, Borderlands shifting to the stylised graphics was a major thing. Back when it was announced and the first screenies were shown, there was little to differentiate the game from your average post-apo shooter.

Of course, that probably has more to do with the game and its story itself than it has to do with graphics, but so long as that's that, everyone's going to go stylised, rather than risk competing with Crytek and not being good enough to stand out.

Oh I completely understand why they do it (price, looks better on low settings, etc.), and that obviously devs can't base their art styles on 'what liverandbacon would like'.

Personally, I don't need a game to look like it's from Crytek. Hell, I still play Ultima VII (and everyone should). However, even with older graphics (perhaps not Ultima VII old though), one can make a game that's clearly going for realism, or clearly going for cartoonishness.

I'm fine with stylization in games that are meant to be lighthearted or absurd (Borderlands for instance). However, in a more serious game, with deeper themes (what Bioware are claiming TOR is), cartoonish graphics are jarring and detract from the game IMO.

I should probably stop posting about TOR, since I'm seemingly unable to comment on it without being an absolute misery. And my opinion is irrelevant anyway, since I'm never going to play a game with subscription fees (If all games got them, I'd give them up entirely, without hesitation).

Jae Onasi
04-03-2011, 11:37 PM
As long as the hilt doesn't look ridiculous or has a bizarre shape, I'm happy.

I have heard that the blade color would be determined by crystals, and not your class, so that should be good.

Tommycat
04-04-2011, 04:01 PM
I have heard that the blade color would be determined by crystals, and not your class, so that should be good.

In one of the gameplay vidyas they showed a Sith picking up and using a red saber and a blue saber. So it's entirely possible that you can change out crystals. I mean that was one of the basic things of KotOR, so it would be rather silly not to include that.

Prime
04-05-2011, 05:55 PM
Frankly, I think some of the outfits are a bigger concern than the sabers.

Sp!ker
04-06-2011, 03:11 PM
lightsabers from movie - http://www.alexandgregory.com/images/palpatine_4.jpg
lightsabers from other star wars games - http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/jediacademy_xbx_101003_006.jpg (jedi academy)

and now lightsabers from OLD REPUBLIC - http://www.hrypc.cz/files/star-wars-the-old-republic%5B4%5D.jpg

Here you can see the difference
worst-looking sabers are in old republic :-///
Why did they do that?

Ztalker
04-06-2011, 04:58 PM
Frankly, I think some of the outfits are a bigger concern than the sabers.

Somehow all outfits remind me of the Power Ranger. Or that Beetle Borgs series.
Although I'm possible going for the Inquisitor, it's looks suck...

Tommycat
04-06-2011, 09:24 PM
lightsabers from movie - http://www.alexandgregory.com/images/palpatine_4.jpg
lightsabers from other star wars games - http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/jediacademy_xbx_101003_006.jpg (jedi academy)

and now lightsabers from OLD REPUBLIC - http://www.hrypc.cz/files/star-wars-the-old-republic%5B4%5D.jpg

Here you can see the difference
worst-looking sabers are in old republic :-///
Why did they do that?

Um, try comparing the saber to the one in my video. It's the more recent vid, so we have the recent saber. I think it looks pretty dang nice.

Sp!ker
04-07-2011, 10:49 AM
they dont look so good.,even in your video-> not ... if you see .. light of lightsaber is too sharp... the edges arent blurred...sabre is very thin... in the best starwars game i expected better design of Lightsabers.. thats all ...

Tommycat
04-07-2011, 11:46 AM
I dunno, comparing between KotOR and TOR, they look about the same. Maybe slightly larger hilts, but then you can actually change the style of your hilt... I guess you could add a bit more light diffusion... But really at this point, lightsaber criticism's are down to nit picking.

Sabretooth
04-07-2011, 11:55 AM
lightsabers from other star wars games - http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/jediacademy_xbx_101003_006.jpg (jedi academy)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah epic nostalgia'd

Sp!ker
04-11-2011, 07:24 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah epic nostalgia'd
Yea, Jedi Academy is a game in which the sabers were allright :-)

I dunno, comparing between KotOR and TOR, they look about the same.

i don't care f any 7 years old game - kotor ..
now comes tor.. I would say that the lightsabers are even better in Kotor than TOR (they are "not much" in Kotor too).. i dont know why did they do lightsabers stick-like in tor.. it doesnt look good!

Tommycat
04-13-2011, 12:04 PM
i don't care f any 7 years old game - kotor ..
now comes tor.. I would say that the lightsabers are even better in Kotor than TOR (they are "not much" in Kotor too).. i dont know why did they do lightsabers stick-like in tor.. it doesnt look good!

KotOR was made by Bioware.

I think it's just a matter of opinion. I don't like super glowey overly done sabers. YMMV

Sp!ker
04-13-2011, 04:38 PM
I don't like super glowey overly done sabers. YMMV

me too of course .. I dont wanna too glowing saber like here - http://www.rpgfan.com/previews/kotor/kotor-5b.jpg saber ... I just like the sabers in movie thats all ... and I think that most people have the same opinion

Tommycat
04-14-2011, 12:11 AM
me too of course .. I dont wanna too glowing saber like here - http://www.rpgfan.com/previews/kotor/kotor-5b.jpg saber ... I just like the sabers in movie thats all ... and I think that most people have the same opinion

Which movie... in Episode IV it was very bland, V it was more refined, but still kinda bland, VI it got to looking pretty nice. then we got the prequels that had good looking sabers that varied to overly fuzzy at times.

Sp!ker
04-17-2011, 03:26 PM
my idea of ​​a saber...

OFFICIAL by BioWare
http://www.hrypc.cz/files/star-wars-the-old-republic[4].jpg

MADE BY ME(Notice the blurred red sword when it moves -> on the right)
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/4058/starwarstheoldrepublicn.jpg

Sabretooth
04-17-2011, 04:26 PM
Technically, the blurred moving lightsaber should only happen in the movies, because of the 24 fps motion blur. In a game that's supposed to run at 60, there shouldn't be that blurry effect. I think.

adamqd
04-17-2011, 05:08 PM
I Think its the Glow rather than movement blur. The second picture is better as Sp!ker has shown (IMHO)

Sabretooth
04-18-2011, 12:07 AM
The lightsabre on the left does look better no doubt, but the on the right looks like a movement blur (as it appears in the movies, and is specified by the image author).

adamqd
04-18-2011, 12:49 PM
sorry, I didn't even see that saber lol, I'm talkin about the purple double blade, the movement blur doesn't bother me :)

Liverandbacon
04-18-2011, 01:26 PM
Technically, the blurred moving lightsaber should only happen in the movies, because of the 24 fps motion blur. In a game that's supposed to run at 60, there shouldn't be that blurry effect. I think.

I'm not an expert on the pretend science of lightsabers, but I always assumed it was like the blur you get when you 'write' with a sparkler. Visible with human eyesight, not due to a video camera.

edit: never mind, just realized you meant it wouldn't be visible when paused, not in game. That makes sense.

Sp!ker
04-21-2011, 12:55 PM
well, but in the video sabers could be movement blurred ..

Ctrl Alt Del
04-22-2011, 01:55 AM
well, but in the video sabers could be movement blurred ..

Aren't they? Never paid due attention on the trailers. But I agree with you, it just looks weird otherwise.

Sp!ker
04-22-2011, 02:07 PM
it blurs only in certain situations... probably some Ability

That Guy Over There
04-30-2011, 03:20 PM
I think that if there's a way to have motion blur while still maintaining a good FPS, they should go for it. The one thing that I think they should definitely change is the fact that the lightsaber gets thicker at the bottom. I think that while lightsabers should have rounded tips for aesthetic purposes, the edges should definitely be parallel, otherwise it looks to me more like a glowing sword rather than a blade made out of energy.

Sp!ker
05-02-2011, 04:40 PM
is incomprehensible why they made ​​the sabers so unprofessional...

TheRogueForums
05-25-2011, 03:40 AM
thicker blade, more light and edge blur and reduce the size of hilt and it will be perfect... :-)

^^ This. I have *always* had an issue with the saber hilts and blades we have seen in TOR thusfar. It looks too.... cut and dry? The lightsabers in BioWare's KOTOR looked a kagillion times better than what's in TOR right now. And that game is what? 200 years old now? If it isn't broke, do not fix it.

Isaac Clarke
05-25-2011, 10:12 AM
I don't think the hilts are a problem. I mean, look at the ones in JKA!!! Those things are HUGE compared to TOR. Now, it's the BLADE I'm worried about. I mean, come on! Those don't even look like LIGHTSABERS!!! Now, if Bioware doesn't improve this, I will give up on them.(well, just the star wars games.)

Sp!ker
06-29-2011, 12:42 PM
i have seen latest TOR gameplays and all videos but sabers still seems to me suck... they dont seems to me the same as we know from the movies... ..just an ordinary colored stick :-/

Tommycat
06-29-2011, 04:20 PM
Again, maybe it's because I'm not a fan of Jedi, but to me they look nice. I mean compared to the glowie stick used in the original Star Wars, these are great. But I guess you had to say something to bump your thread.

decalibron
07-01-2011, 05:33 AM
hm...isn't it a little irrational to give up on a BIOWARE sw game because the lightsabers are sketchy? I think they aren't that bad, they certainly could get better, but i think there are plenty of things i'd be more worried about, like maybe story or something. Half the classes don't even use lightsabers. I think the game will be great regardless of whether or not the blades are toothpicks or foam bats. And if you really have that big of a problem with them...well, you could always be a trooper? Ok, sorry about my long, boring, and most likely offensive rant, but i really think there's some overreactions about petty details, i mean they aren't even THAT BAD. Trust in the collective wisdom of the Bioware Council.

Tommycat
07-01-2011, 11:35 AM
Seriously, I think people are way overreacting to the lightsabers.
http://media.dhcdn.com/2011/03/4374/aldscr2.jpg

Sorry, those look good to me.

Ctrl Alt Del
07-01-2011, 11:37 AM
I suppose they just don't look like the lightsaber from the movies, though. Not worse, just different.

ChAiNz.2da
07-01-2011, 02:11 PM
I just find it funny that people are screaming "heads should roll" over lightsaber graphics when every other post in the forums are "Graphics aren't as important as story, story, story"... :xp:

When you start adding blur (motion, directional, gaussian, etc.), you start adding frame field information (rendering times are affected a lot more by blur than one would think). That additional rendering affects frame rates. In an mmo/multiplayer game.. I want framerates over motion blur. ;)

I honestly don't mind how they look now. If they change by release, yay.. if not, no biggie. They've already convinced my money to depart from my wallet.. hehehe

Sp!ker
07-01-2011, 05:38 PM
:-D :-D people... light around the saber is not light, it's just the colored edge of the white stick ... It bothers me ... :-/

decalibron
07-01-2011, 06:14 PM
thank you for all of the lightsaber support guys! TOR has a lot bigger fish to fry than a distinct edge around the core of the blade...story story story like CHAINz.2da says :)

Tommycat
07-01-2011, 08:11 PM
I agree Chainz. As I said(elsewhere), I'm a Star Wars Fan, and a Bioware Fan. So by fanboy law, I'm required to purchase this game. So long as it's not Lego Old Republic, I'll be all right(and far less conflicted). (oh and thanks for hiding the image. I was going to come back and fix it, but you did it for me haha)

The brighter and more realistic the graphics get, the more expensive your local hardware gets. Not to mention, that not everyone wants to buy a whole new gaming rig for the game.

It's got enough glow about it to let you know what it is.

Mav
07-01-2011, 08:46 PM
The only problem I've ever had with the lightsabers were when they were flashlight hilts in the very first screenshots that started popping up, most of that personal distaste came from spending hours in max trying to make mine look pretty, Cz knows what I mean :xp: As they are now, I have no issues. Besides, I'll be playing Smuggler.

ChAiNz.2da
07-01-2011, 08:50 PM
:-D :-D people... light around the saber is not light, it's just the colored edge of the white stick ... It bothers me ... :-/
Oh I definitely get where you're coming from. :) Considering every other Star Wars game has fed us nice blurry edges, the ToR sabers can come as quite a shock.. however, unlike others (not saying you) I'm not going to damn the game just because of a graphics snafoo.

Now, if they totally muck up gameplay and I don't find it enjoyable enough play-wise and story-wise (and the impending charge that's sure to come with it).. then yeah, I'll be right there with the others damning the game to all get out.. :lol:

I agree Chainz. As I said(elsewhere), I'm a Star Wars Fan, and a Bioware Fan. So by fanboy law, I'm required to purchase this game. So long as it's not Lego Old Republic, I'll be all right(and far less conflicted). (oh and thanks for hiding the image. I was going to come back and fix it, but you did it for me haha)

The brighter and more realistic the graphics get, the more expensive your local hardware gets. Not to mention, that not everyone wants to buy a whole new gaming rig for the game.

It's got enough glow about it to let you know what it is.
Indeed. Right there with you in the fanboy boat hehehe. I'm really looking forward to the game. I've even slowed my DDO gaming (another MMO) to the point where I'm about to "retire". If ToR turns out to be as good as it looks (and my anticipation) I'll probably have to say goodbye to DDO (at least it's free2play.. whew) ;)

My only inhibition is that if it's released when the rumors say it is.. it's going to be stepping on my Skyrim toes :fist: (and then ME3 later in March '12)... going to be a lot of great gaming come late this year and next year :D

Sp!ker
07-01-2011, 10:07 PM
well, I just thought that if I create this topic, someone will do such a simple thing as edit damn saber to look better... if you are blind and you think that this is a good.. ok ... its a ten-minute work for graphic designers.. the game should attract a player's money omfg

Sp!ker
07-01-2011, 10:12 PM
Oh I definitely get where you're coming from. :) Considering every other Star Wars game has fed us nice blurry edges,
yes, other... in EVERY game and in EVERY movie... only in BIG TOR must be sabers EXTRA SUCKS(because its a "little" different)!

ChAiNz.2da
07-03-2011, 11:28 AM
well, I just thought that if I create this topic, someone will do such a simple thing as edit damn saber to look better... if you are blind and you think that this is a good.. ok ... its a ten-minute work for graphic designers.. the game should attract a player's money omfg

It's not about the time it takes to design it.. it's the impact on game engine and framerates on what that "fancy" blur does.

Ever run a high poly or enhanced graphic mod on K1 / K2 / SWG of your choice? Ever have more than 6+ of those sabers on screen at the same time? Enjoy that 10 fps? Didn't think so... and that's only for a single player game that has to keep track of a minute amount of variables confined in a nice enclosed world area.

Now multiply that by the hundreds to account for all the people on an mmo/multiplayer. All the instances that are open. Everything that is going on in the game world for each and every player that is logged on. Live in real-time ;)

Now, let's multiply that by all the other visual effects. Blasters, shields, powers, environment fx and sound design. Hoping the game server can render those graphics while still maintaining the calculations of what players are doing (or are going to do). See where I'm going with this? ToR is a stylized art game (a major benefit as far as game engine rendering).. it doesn't surprise me that the sabers would be too.

Sure it doesn't affect some players as bad with high end gear (myself included).. but if your positioning this game to appeal to as many players as possible and not just the hardcore base.. lines have to be drawn and compromises made. Later on, if the game goes well and more money is invested.. more server equipment will be added, and the precious blur may be added. But to invest that amount of cash on something for an initial release that could go either direction consider it's massive competition.. is just financial suicide. Especially for a non essential piece of eye-candy. I'd rather not be doomed to a life of nothing but Lego releases if ToR fails.. hehehe

Also to re-iterate.. anyone willing to damn a game just because of a glow stick has no real intention of enjoying this game anyways if they're that petty.. or hasn't paid attention to all the other great stuff this game has showcased. Seems to me they've already made up their mind.. or just looking for another excuse to piss and moan about a game that decided to go mmo rather than sp. :xp:

Tommycat
07-03-2011, 10:01 PM
Actually Chainz, The graphical representations are all handled client side. So it COULD be possible to have super hi rez sabers. Though in large scale battles, you would be looking at a slide show. I mean 30 Jedi running with 50 sabers(gotta account for many using dual sabers) against 30 Sith with 60 sabers(they all gotta have dual wield right hehe) and that little fuzzy edge won't be so fun. Even with a high end rig you'd still be hurting. Maybe instead of .1 frame per second you end up with 3 frames per second.

I guarantee if you have the option to turn off fuzzysaber for performance, you'd reach for that faster than a dog for a treat.

Darth Avlectus
07-04-2011, 02:23 AM
Too many posts, tired, tl;dr.

My opinion, I liked kotor's hilt to blade ratio (Did I just coin a new term?). Though TOR's hilt to blade ratio has admittedly improved since the early goings, I have to say I think the hilts...some of them...are still a little too big for the blade provided. I think the blades are somthing between okay to good size wise. Didn't mind JO (and I guess JA by extension) because although their blades appeared bigger than their hilt, their blades still didn't have that baseball bat appearance and retained their saber blade look even if a bit more conic/torch like now.

The violet in TOR seems a tad plain and could be mistaken for a deep blue, but at least it doesn't look nearly pink either. That doctored image is what I'd call the perfect balance--worthy of "Jules Windu". :)

As for the the dazzling effect in the movies: while I agree TOR might be able to do better, the pics I have seen of it in action are decent. Could be worse as there could be absolutely no blurring at all. Like Electro Luminescent stunt toy lightsabers, or glowsticks, out in moderately lit up settings: swing them or move them and you only see the stick and little to no "blur" effect.

TL;DR: the current TOR sabers are better than their initial release, but I'd still prefer the profile of KOTOR b/c it had the best overall "hilt to blade ratio" IMHO.

The blur? hey, long as it doesn't look like glowsticks or EL in a tube in a moderately well lit room where there is no blur at all, it seems fine to me.

Sp!ker
07-04-2011, 03:42 AM
Yesterday I showed my brother the latest TOR videos (he is a professional designer) ... He looked at the sabers and he said: "wtf is this? It is disgusting! Its like hes holding a billiard stick(hes not fan of star wars, only saw movies) ... I dont know what you think about them, guys, the greatest tor fans, but ordinary people say- disgust.

but yes, now I understand the reasons of creators, but it doesnt change the fact that it is repulsive...

decalibron
07-05-2011, 02:36 AM
Wow, i think you're WAAY overreacting...they aren't "repulsive", i mean come on! a hairless wookie disembowling your girlfriend is repulsive. lightsabers with not enough motion blur is merely less than ideal. and y'all making the point about gaming rigs is very true. As much as i really REALLY want to play this game, i wouldn't go out and buy a rig just to support the fuzzy sabers (en theorem). i would much prefer your "glowsticks" and keeping my $2500 to your "slideshow" and lacking that $2500. but maybe that's just me. :)

adamqd
08-07-2011, 03:28 PM
Improvements look to have been made... Maybe our displeasure was heard :)

http://media.dhcdn.com/2011/08/10136/10136-1020x700.ffupscr7.jpg

http://media.dhcdn.com/2011/08/10132/10132-1020x700.ffupscr3.jpg

Master Finch
08-23-2011, 03:17 PM
Do you think they would have like a class-quest where you get to build / design your own lightsaber? Because that would be awesome.

Seeing as each Jedi's would be unique.

DarthJacen
08-23-2011, 04:11 PM
They talked about that years ago, but I have not seen any evidence of it being implemented. In fact, it's looks more like the hilts are one size fits all in some cases like they were in Kotor, their original game.

The blades have been vastly improved as you see in the post by adamqd. Thank you for that Bioware.

I can't imagine how many hilt designs they would have to add to the game to truly make them customizable. In Star Wars Galaxies, they gave you a choice of 14 unique styles, and others you would have to find as a rare loot schematic.

What I think they should do is make it something of a slot-machine type mini-game where the emitter, the hilt, and grip can be made interchangeable, so people can have their unique hilts.

I understand why BioWare is limiting the lightsaber colors. George Lucas is paying them personal visits. Any project that he works on The films, Clone Wars, or even LucasArts will adhere to his theory. Jedi are Blue and Green, Sith are red. BioWare must have slipped the purple for Sith Inquisitors in as a hey, Samuel L. Jackson did it.

Hopefully, you'll be able to use the color crystals you get from dead Jedi or Sith if you desire to pick up their weapon as in one of the in-game videos.

Darth Avlectus
08-23-2011, 07:57 PM
^^^No, yellow was in one video. Sith Warrior if I am not mistaken.

Also I have seen a sort of teal/cyan (a blue-green) in hilt illustrations, though it is entirely possible they aren't using that anymore, even though it was the first "blue" we ever saw in ANH. If Bioware used it previously then I suppose I could see Uncle George letting it slide but scoffing and scowling all the while.

While I understand they are going to limit colors for gameplay sake, so long as there isn't any absolute alignment-to-color restrictions, that would be okay with me. If I could be a sith with a green simply because I felt like it, I should be able to do that.

DarthJacen
08-23-2011, 11:05 PM
^^^No, yellow was in one video. Sith Warrior if I am not mistaken.

Also I have seen a sort of teal/cyan (a blue-green) in hilt illustrations, though it is entirely possible they aren't using that anymore, even though it was the first "blue" we ever saw in ANH. If Bioware used it previously then I suppose I could see Uncle George letting it slide but scoffing and scowling all the while.

While I understand they are going to limit colors for gameplay sake, so long as there isn't any absolute alignment-to-color restrictions, that would be okay with me. If I could be a sith with a green simply because I felt like it, I should be able to do that.

I saw in an old video, a Sith killing a Jedi and taking his lightsaber as a new toy, so I think you will be obliged.

Master Finch
08-23-2011, 11:50 PM
I understand why BioWare is limiting the lightsaber colors. George Lucas is paying them personal visits. Any project that he works on The films, Clone Wars, or even LucasArts will adhere to his theory. Jedi are Blue and Green, Sith are red. BioWare must have slipped the purple for Sith Inquisitors in as a hey, Samuel L. Jackson did it.

Hopefully, you'll be able to use the color crystals you get from dead Jedi or Sith if you desire to pick up their weapon as in one of the in-game videos.

Jedi Guardians have Blue Lightsabers, with the exception of The Exile who carried Cyan.

Jedi Consulars have Green Lightsabers.

Jedi Sentinels have [supposedly] Yellow Lightsabers.

Mace Windu was given a rare violet crystal as a reward or something I can't remember it's on his Wookiepedia page.

DarthJacen
08-24-2011, 12:21 AM
Jedi Guardians have Blue Lightsabers, with the exception of The Exile who carried Cyan.

Jedi Consulars have Green Lightsabers.

Jedi Sentinels have [supposedly] Yellow Lightsabers.

Mace Windu was given a rare violet crystal as a reward or something I can't remember it's on his Wookiepedia page.

Yes, BioWare came up with that for Kotor, but they have the Sentinels in TOR using blue by default, since they are an archetype of the Knight class, however with the ability to wield two. The Sentinel will have some options.

As for Mace Windu, that is the in-universe story, yes.

The truth, though, is that Samuel L. Jackson was talking with George during the filming of the Arena Battle from Episode II about what their colors will be in the final film. George said flat-out "good guys are blue and green, bad guys are red." As if, don't challenge me, then Jackson, said, "Can mine be purple [violet]. George puts his hand to his beard and say rather reluctantly, "We can do purple!" And, that was it! To this day, no other Jedi filmed by George Lucas has ever received purple, again.

Hence, my surprise when BioWare gave the color to the Sith Inquisitor, a class that resembles Darth Sidious. (Sidious, mind you had a red lightsaber in the film) So, yeah, I was a bit surprised by that. Notice that none of the cinematics done my ILM have the sith using purple. I'm wondering how they got it in there.

Also, in case you're wondering where my sources lie. Episode II DVD Disc 2, and Lucasfilm, Ltd. FAQs about employment. Does GL visit the campuses? Yes is the paraphrase, but some more often than others.

Do Lucasfilm employees ever see or work with George Lucas?
George is an active participant in all of his businesses and is on one of the campuses every day; he works as hard as we expect you to. Depending on what company you work for, you may see him more or less than other employees. https://jobs.lucasfilm.com/how_to_apply.html

Master Finch
08-24-2011, 12:32 AM
Yes, and yeah, KotOR came up with Sentinels.

DarthJacen
08-24-2011, 12:51 AM
Yes, and yeah, KotOR came up with Sentinels.

Right!

Master Finch
08-24-2011, 01:06 AM
Right!

Left!

DarthJacen
08-24-2011, 02:11 AM
Left!

That was a bad pun, but okay. :)

Darth Avlectus
08-24-2011, 05:21 AM
Jedi Guardians have Blue Lightsabers, In KOTOR 1 yes, but even the jedi masters claim basically this is not definitively-the-way-it-must-be.

Jaric Kaedan (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jaric_Kaedan) being a master of Juyo is obviously a "knight" type for TOR who would have been typified as a "guardian" role in the KOTOR games. He wields green.

with the exception of The Exile who carried Cyan.

Acording to whom or what...? Although my preferred play style is Guardian >> Jedi Weaponmaster or Sith Marauder, I do not believe any such details were fleshed out beyond simply gender and alignment. That may change in the upcoming novel, Revan, but until then such a claim cannot be accepted at face value.

Jedi Consulars have Green Lightsabers.
See above re: KOTOR1 reply to jedi guardians=blue.

Jedi Sentinels have [supposedly] Yellow Lightsabers.
Ditto the above. Though sentinel was a class made up by bioware, its role has not been solidly one thing: in the KOTOR games it served as a sort of balanced intermediate between guardian and consular, though I'm sure you'd agree it was lacking in the powers department and was a little too similar to the guardian. In SWTOR it appears to be taking the place of the WeaponsMaster.

Mace Windu was given a rare violet crystal as a reward or something I can't remember it's on his Wookiepedia page.

This was part of a quid pro quo as a deal for taking the role. As I understood from SW insider, rolling stone, and an interview, George came to Jackson (for obvious reasons). Jackson, also being a SW fan knew in the timeline that by the time the original trilogy took place, whatever Jedi he played was going to have died. So he wanted a unique saber blade color and wanted to go out in a glorious blaze of fire.

I'm not sure if Nick Gillard asked a similar thing for doing lightsaber stunts for 30 years in lucas' employ. Can't verify it though rumors are running he asked for yellow.


The truth, though, is that Samuel L. Jackson was talking with George during the filming of the Arena Battle from Episode II about what their colors will be in the final film. George said flat-out "good guys are blue and green, bad guys are red." As if, don't challenge me, then Jackson, said, "Can mine be purple [violet]. George puts his hand to his beard and say rather reluctantly, "We can do purple!" And, that was it! To this day, no other Jedi filmed by George Lucas has ever received purple, again. I suppose that is another perspective to the same story.

I can picture (from personal experience witnessing backstage drama between producers and talent) George tried putting his foot down at first, and Samuel let George say his piece, before Sam came back countering with his own negotiation.

Hence, my surprise when BioWare gave the color to the Sith Inquisitor, a class that resembles Darth Sidious. (Sidious, mind you had a red lightsaber in the film) So, yeah, I was a bit surprised by that. Notice that none of the cinematics done my ILM have the sith using purple. I'm wondering how they got it in there.

2RvzAegESow

The Revan video has it for the inquisitor in that one. But yeah, and one vid I think a dev said it was a combination of sidious and maul. Like the warrior is supposed to be based off vader, etc. Some images of Jedi are also shown using violet--they are out there.

BTW I'm not surprised and anyone should be able to use any color they like. *waits for Exar Kun's blade color to be retconned to red just to spite me*


https://jobs.lucasfilm.com/how_to_apply.html
Bah, I won't hold my breath. My view of George is sort of love-hate.

Master Finch
08-24-2011, 10:19 AM
Acording to whom or what...? Although my preferred play style is Guardian >> Jedi Weaponmaster or Sith Marauder, I do not believe any such details were fleshed out beyond simply gender and alignment. That may change in the upcoming novel, Revan, but until then such a claim cannot be accepted at face value.

Canonically, the Exile had brown hair, brown eyes (iirc) a cyan lightsaber and was light-side aligned. Also she was a girl.

Also, when Jedi construct their lightsaber each one is unique to them due to the parts that they find themselves upon, so sometimes someone may end up with a different colour.

Either way, George Lucas admits to allowing EU-canon into his canon. He always searches around and allows it into Star Wars (Aayla Secura, General Grievous etc.) and you gotta remember that this IS 3,500 years BBY. Things that happen now might not be the same in 3,470 years time. Times change, like when they stopped using Force-imbued weapons and started using lightsabers instead.

DarthJacen
08-24-2011, 02:55 PM
In KOTOR 1 yes, but even the jedi masters claim basically this is not definitively-the-way-it-must-be.

Jaric Kaedan (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jaric_Kaedan) being a master of Juyo is obviously a "knight" type for TOR who would have been typified as a "guardian" role in the KOTOR games. He wields green.



Acording to whom or what...? Although my preferred play style is Guardian >> Jedi Weaponmaster or Sith Marauder, I do not believe any such details were fleshed out beyond simply gender and alignment. That may change in the upcoming novel, Revan, but until then such a claim cannot be accepted at face value.


See above re: KOTOR1 reply to jedi guardians=blue.

Ditto the above. Though sentinel was a class made up by bioware, its role has not been solidly one thing: in the KOTOR games it served as a sort of balanced intermediate between guardian and consular, though I'm sure you'd agree it was lacking in the powers department and was a little too similar to the guardian. In SWTOR it appears to be taking the place of the WeaponsMaster.



This was part of a quid pro quo as a deal for taking the role. As I understood from SW insider, rolling stone, and an interview, George came to Jackson (for obvious reasons). Jackson, also being a SW fan knew in the timeline that by the time the original trilogy took place, whatever Jedi he played was going to have died. So he wanted a unique saber blade color and wanted to go out in a glorious blaze of fire.

I'm not sure if Nick Gillard asked a similar thing for doing lightsaber stunts for 30 years in lucas' employ. Can't verify it though rumors are running he asked for yellow.

I suppose that is another perspective to the same story.

I can picture (from personal experience witnessing backstage drama between producers and talent) George tried putting his foot down at first, and Samuel let George say his piece, before Sam came back countering with his own negotiation.



2RvzAegESow

The Revan video has it for the inquisitor in that one. But yeah, and one vid I think a dev said it was a combination of sidious and maul. Like the warrior is supposed to be based off vader, etc. Some images of Jedi are also shown using violet--they are out there.

BTW I'm not surprised and anyone should be able to use any color they like. *waits for Exar Kun's blade color to be retconned to red just to spite me*



Bah, I won't hold my breath. My view of George is sort of love-hate.

You know George does read these forums, I'd be careful how you cross him. :)

Canonically, the Exile had brown hair, brown eyes (iirc) a cyan lightsaber and was light-side aligned. Also she was a girl.

Also, when Jedi construct their lightsaber each one is unique to them due to the parts that they find themselves upon, so sometimes someone may end up with a different colour.

Either way, George Lucas admits to allowing EU-canon into his canon. He always searches around and allows it into Star Wars (Aayla Secura, General Grievous etc.) and you gotta remember that this IS 3,500 years BBY. Things that happen now might not be the same in 3,470 years time. Times change, like when they stopped using Force-imbued weapons and started using lightsabers instead.

Usually, it's a wink and a nod, and then on they go. Dave Filoni, the director of the Clone Wars is often the one bringing EU-canon to George, and because of his position often succeeds at getting it into the show. Some of the episodes from The Clone Wars were from the Clone Wars novel series that took place during the filming of Episode III, many of which I read. So, I immediately recognized them when they were filmed. So, really, you should be thanking his director Dave Filoni.

Master Finch
08-24-2011, 02:57 PM
Either way it should be good :P

DarthJacen
08-24-2011, 03:23 PM
I'm hoping it will be, yes!

Darth Avlectus
08-24-2011, 08:10 PM
@ DarthJacen: I think Uncle George has much better things to do with his time than hunt down someone who is neither his worst critic nor his most valued critic, who posts on a game forum [this one] not officially a part of LucasArts or LucasFilms.

Though I must admit I am flattered you'd think he'd give me the time of day. :)

Canonically, the Exile had brown hair, brown eyes (iirc) a cyan lightsaber
Again, according to whom? Maybe provide a link to who said this. Get me that link to who said it and I might believe you depending who said it. Until then:
and was light-side aligned. Also she was a girl.
These are the only definitive things about the exile thus far. Until the Revan Novel.

<snip>

Either way, George Lucas admits to allowing EU-canon into his canon. Then he cannot complain about something (like the inclusion of yellow blades) he allowed and expect it to fly very far. As it is he already comes across as somewhat pat and more into profits, if only slightly so. At least he made a wise decision in letting EA do what it does best.

He always searches around and allows it into Star Wars (Aayla Secura, General Grievous etc.) Yes. I call it skimming the public trough for ideas. Great for getting out of a creativity bind when you get writers' block. :D

and you gotta remember that this IS 3,500 years BBY. I think anyone here is already fully aware of that and the other details. ;)

Master Finch
08-24-2011, 08:11 PM
You're quite annoying, do you know that?

www.starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Exile

DarthJacen
08-25-2011, 02:28 AM
You're quite annoying, do you know that?

www.starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Exile

No, he's right, you need to show your sources when you make claims. That's, just, standard.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061023001811/starwars/images/5/5e/Exilefemale2.jpg

Darth Avlectus
08-28-2011, 09:20 PM
You're quite annoying, do you know that?

Am I, now? Okay then how's this? http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/images/smilies/large/smiley_smug.gif
08hHUn2_Uh4

No, he's right, you need to show your sources when you make claims. That's, just, standard.
Thank you. Though I do enjoy being annoying. :dev11: Wanna find out HOW annoying? :dev9: :lol: /reply


Now...
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061023001811/starwars/images/5/5e/Exilefemale2.jpg

<sigh> I thought that's what was being referenced. Master Finch, do not take this personally: Unfortunately that doesn't count as an official canon source, at least any more than if I were the editor of that article and to have put a pic of my female exile jedi weapons master wielding 2 silver blades in there. :) I would like official clarification. The only thing we have clarified so far is of her gender and alignment. Female, light side.

If anyone is interested, I have found some perhaps updated material but unfortunately cannot find the origin of the cinematic used within Torment Gamings TOR guild promo. P85dvtNacBg

As you can see, the hooded Dark Jedi in possession of an HK series droid is on what at least 'appears' to be tattooine (given climate and building architecture) and pause at about 0:22, you'll see the ebon hawk is initially captured onscreen.

This might be evidence that the Droid is HK-47. If so, then one could reasonably speculate that the Dark Jedi is Revan, but there is nothing official confirming this. For all we know it could just have been prematurely thrown together simply to generate interest in the game. (The comic threat of peace shows a different version of Satele Shan, for example, than what we saw in the Hope cinematic trailer).

I'll divert for a moment: There is no confirmation as yet (that I know of) who this Dark Jedi actually is (except that he and the droid are seen on the initial cover art for the confirmation announcement of SWTOR), but the HK droid looks identical to HK-47.

I am not going to say this was the same HK-47 but the coincidences are hard to ignore. Then of course in a trailer released late last year:
GzR4uwTcL8o

As we all know HK-47 was taught the term "meatbag" by Revan himself. This IS the HK-47 you're looking for. At the end of TSL the Exile had possession of HK-47. Now 300 years later the droid is found in a complex Revan built holding his secrets. So the droid came back into Revan's possession at some point and this proves it.

So back to the the first trailer, the Dark Jedi is walking towards someone or something. Waves a "hold" command to the droid. Next scene we see him locking blades with someone else wielding a blue lightsaber.

This is a bit speculative, I must admit. I'm not sure I like it either, personally. :D

Long story short: Suppose if the Dark Jedi were to be Revan, then the only other thing we would have to go off of as to who he is fighting, evidence wise, is the Vision of Revan in Ludo Kressh's tomb, which the Exile had to fight. If that vision in the tomb was a representation of the future to come, or at least was a present representation at that time of their power if they were to fight, does that not imply something? Maybe that this other person is the Exile perhaps?

So this SWTOR teaser cinematic may (OR may NOT) be evidence that the Exile in fact wielded a blue lighsaber--that we know of at that particular point in time. Afterall, the color of Revan's orignal lightsaber (or sabers) is still debatable, too. ;)

So before that, the Exile could have wielded a single cyan saber, or two silver sabers, maybe an orange blade with a short violet blade. Perhaps a double bladed red. However she had to have a single blade of an othodox color by this point by this point because that's the commandment of Uncle George allmighty who was involved with this project.

So.....Anything is possible.

We will have confirmation late this fall, though, when the novel "Revan" by Drew Karpyshyn (http://www.starwarsmmo.net/cms/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/sdcc_revan_img.jpg)is released and these details are fleshed out.

DarthJacen
08-29-2011, 03:16 AM
Am I, now? Okay then how's this? http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/images/smilies/large/smiley_smug.gif
08hHUn2_Uh4


Thank you. Though I do enjoy being annoying. :dev11: Wanna find out HOW annoying? :dev9: :lol: /reply


Now...
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061023001811/starwars/images/5/5e/Exilefemale2.jpg

<sigh> I thought that's what was being referenced. Master Finch, do not take this personally: Unfortunately that doesn't count as an official canon source, at least any more than if I were the editor of that article and to have put a pic of my female exile jedi weapons master wielding 2 silver blades in there. :) I would like official clarification. The only thing we have clarified so far is of her gender and alignment. Female, light side.

If anyone is interested, I have found some perhaps updated material but unfortunately cannot find the origin of the cinematic used within Torment Gamings TOR guild promo. P85dvtNacBg

As you can see, the hooded Dark Jedi in possession of an HK series droid is on what at least 'appears' to be tattooine (given climate and building architecture) and pause at about 0:22, you'll see the ebon hawk is initially captured onscreen.

This might be evidence that the Droid is HK-47. If so, then one could reasonably speculate that the Dark Jedi is Revan, but there is nothing official confirming this. For all we know it could just have been prematurely thrown together simply to generate interest in the game. (The comic threat of peace shows a different version of Satele Shan, for example, than what we saw in the Hope cinematic trailer).

I'll divert for a moment: There is no confirmation as yet (that I know of) who this Dark Jedi actually is (except that he and the droid are seen on the initial cover art for the confirmation announcement of SWTOR), but the HK droid looks identical to HK-47.

I am not going to say this was the same HK-47 but the coincidences are hard to ignore. Then of course in a trailer released late last year:
GzR4uwTcL8o

As we all know HK-47 was taught the term "meatbag" by Revan himself. This IS the HK-47 you're looking for. At the end of TSL the Exile had possession of HK-47. Now 300 years later the droid is found in a complex Revan built holding his secrets. So the droid came back into Revan's possession at some point and this proves it.

So back to the the first trailer, the Dark Jedi is walking towards someone or something. Waves a "hold" command to the droid. Next scene we see him locking blades with someone else wielding a blue lightsaber.

This is a bit speculative, I must admit. I'm not sure I like it either, personally. :D

Long story short: Suppose if the Dark Jedi were to be Revan, then the only other thing we would have to go off of as to who he is fighting, evidence wise, is the Vision of Revan in Ludo Kressh's tomb, which the Exile had to fight. If that vision in the tomb was a representation of the future to come, or at least was a present representation at that time of their power if they were to fight, does that not imply something? Maybe that this other person is the Exile perhaps?

So this SWTOR teaser cinematic may (OR may NOT) be evidence that the Exile in fact wielded a blue lighsaber--that we know of at that particular point in time. After all, the color of Revan's original lightsaber (or sabers) is still debatable, too. ;)

So before that, the Exile could have wielded a single cyan saber, or two silver sabers, maybe an orange blade with a short violet blade. Perhaps a double bladed red. However she had to have a single blade of an orthodox color by this point by this point because that's the commandment of Uncle George almighty who was involved with this project.

So.....Anything is possible.

We will have confirmation late this fall, though, when the novel "Revan" by Drew Karpyshyn (http://www.starwarsmmo.net/cms/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/sdcc_revan_img.jpg)is released and these details are fleshed out.

This was a joy to read! You are so right about George, too! I, sure, hope this topic continues. This is fun! By the way, the TOR timeline has Revan using both a Sith red and a Jedi blue lightsaber, at separate times and together in the Mandalorian, and Jedi Civil War cinematics.

purifier
08-29-2011, 03:51 AM
You're quite annoying, do you know that?

www.starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Exile

aaah crap! I wish you hadn't said that, you have no idea what you've started. :raise:


^^ This. I have *always* had an issue with the saber hilts and blades we have seen in TOR thusfar. It looks too.... cut and dry? The lightsabers in BioWare's KOTOR looked a kagillion times better than what's in TOR right now. And that game is what? 200 years old now? If it isn't broke, do not fix it.

I don't think the hilts are a problem. I mean, look at the ones in JKA!!! Those things are HUGE compared to TOR. Now, it's the BLADE I'm worried about. I mean, come on! Those don't even look like LIGHTSABERS!!! Now, if Bioware doesn't improve this, I will give up on them.(well, just the star wars games.)


I think it depends on how you look at it. From my perspective those lightsabers that we've all seen in the games, you both mentioned, are from different SW time periods. So I look at this way, the lightsaber design could have changed over the years from K1 to JKA; they could of evolved over time in each SW period. Technology always evolves in the real world, look at the automobile as an example.

Darth Avlectus
08-29-2011, 05:56 AM
Ah yes. Lady Jim-Jim, anybody? :dev11:
6qRQynlwYLc
King Lloyd-o-niedas... anybody?
JUO8Mw73isY

@ DarthJacen: Yes I am actually relatively familiar with the timelines.
http://images.wikia.com/swtor/images/5/50/402px-Jedi_Revan.jpg

As you saw on the novel cover, Revan wielded a green lightsaber. Drew K. has stated on his own website this novel covers the events that happened *after* KOTOR 1 and 2.

We have art of a typical representation:
http://swtorunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/darthrevan-219x300.jpg

As we see here in the comics during the mandalorian wars, once Revan donned the mask, he raised his lightsaber, which at that point looked a sort of indigo color. Between violet and blue.
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/6/6d/RevanIsBorn-KotOR42.jpg
In the timelines Revan is seen fighting Mandalore the Ultimate. We all know it was hand to hand, but the TOR timeline has an interesting portrayal:
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/1/11/MtheUvsRevan.jpg

I do know that in the timelines also, a redeemed Revan is portrayed in them as fighting malak with a blue saber (alongside Bastilla, not in the picture).
http://mmogamerchick.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/malak-and-revan.jpg
Now while portrayals might not be 100% accurate, I wonder if they aren't hinting at something else. More on this in a sec.

Revan is the only one who could have picked up mantle of the force and heart of the guardian. Turquiose just off cyan, and a red orange, a slightest bit different than orange and bronze in TSL. I think these items given their rarity (and obviously *tremendous* value) would have been put into the vault of the Jedi order. That's just my opinion, but I really doubt we're going to find them in the loot of Revan's complex. However it is worth noting another comic book (Shadows and Light?) in a vision of one character it showed Malak dead at a masked Revan's foot. Behold:
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/2/22/Shadows_and_Light.jpg

As we saw in the vision of Revan in KOTOR2:TSL he wielded violet and red.
Art:
http://images.wikia.com/swtor/images/f/f2/Darth_Revan.jpg
Real, partial capture:
http://img.youtube.com/vi/hwsQPXFX3s8/0.jpg

BTW In one of my photo albums here, I have a picture of a hand crafted silver lightsaber "prop" of my own IRL if you're interested to look.

Given that and the chosen appearance in the timelines, PMHC04 in the KOTOR game file, which is the long dark hair "jedi mullet" most closely resembling Anakin Skywalker, I'd say BioWare is going for a sort of Anakin Skywalker thing. (I chose the head because it most resembled me irl, long dark hair--that was in 2006!)

I have a theory on why they'd do that: Darth Malgus.
Hint: Descramble the name "Veradun", the birth name of Darth Malgus, and you get 3 possibilities.
1) nuVader: which to us in our timeline irl Malgus is sort of the new Vader for us.
2) unVader: maybe this is a hint of what to do if/when you confront Malgus. Don't kill him because there may be somebody under his Vader-ish exterior that even he isn't aware of (a subject of my current interest as we speak)
3) u d revan: You, Darth Revan?

Credit to Darth Hater and 'neantibi' for the following image:
http://darthhater.com/uploads/blog_images/6459/revan.jpg
The image on the right is from timeline #6, BEFORE Revan is brought up in #7-9. This particular image is shown just after Gnost Dural recites the Sith retaking Korriban (in further details on the Return cinematic as you know).
This image may not be the fully accurate portrayal of the individual in question, but the timing of its showing might imply it was shortly after the retaking of Korriban. Or I could be way off. Is it unreasonable that maybe Malgus went down onto the surface of Korriban to relish the victory in person?

I don't want to derail the thread anymore though. I am currently working on a video right now actually. I'll invite criticism. Would anyone like me to start a thread on it and treat you LF'ers to it before I put it up on YouTube?

I suppose there's a little something I could show you all right here though, but I warn you, you might not like it.
I'm telling you, you really should think twice about it.
Don't do it.
I swear you're gonna be sorry.
Turn back, while you still can.
I mean it.
Don't continue unless you want to know an ugly truth.
I'm warning you.
This is your last chance, seriously.
Ok fine, you win. Here it is! :D (http://www.dafk.net/what/)

Cool beans, eh?

Master Finch
08-29-2011, 12:38 PM
Am I, now? Okay then how's this? http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/images/smilies/large/smiley_smug.gif
08hHUn2_Uh4


Thank you. Though I do enjoy being annoying. :dev11: Wanna find out HOW annoying? :dev9: :lol: /reply


Now...
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061023001811/starwars/images/5/5e/Exilefemale2.jpg

<sigh> I thought that's what was being referenced. Master Finch, do not take this personally: Unfortunately that doesn't count as an official canon source, at least any more than if I were the editor of that article and to have put a pic of my female exile jedi weapons master wielding 2 silver blades in there. :) I would like official clarification. The only thing we have clarified so far is of her gender and alignment. Female, light side.

If anyone is interested, I have found some perhaps updated material but unfortunately cannot find the origin of the cinematic used within Torment Gamings TOR guild promo. P85dvtNacBg

As you can see, the hooded Dark Jedi in possession of an HK series droid is on what at least 'appears' to be tattooine (given climate and building architecture) and pause at about 0:22, you'll see the ebon hawk is initially captured onscreen.

This might be evidence that the Droid is HK-47. If so, then one could reasonably speculate that the Dark Jedi is Revan, but there is nothing official confirming this. For all we know it could just have been prematurely thrown together simply to generate interest in the game. (The comic threat of peace shows a different version of Satele Shan, for example, than what we saw in the Hope cinematic trailer).

I'll divert for a moment: There is no confirmation as yet (that I know of) who this Dark Jedi actually is (except that he and the droid are seen on the initial cover art for the confirmation announcement of SWTOR), but the HK droid looks identical to HK-47.

I am not going to say this was the same HK-47 but the coincidences are hard to ignore. Then of course in a trailer released late last year:
GzR4uwTcL8o

As we all know HK-47 was taught the term "meatbag" by Revan himself. This IS the HK-47 you're looking for. At the end of TSL the Exile had possession of HK-47. Now 300 years later the droid is found in a complex Revan built holding his secrets. So the droid came back into Revan's possession at some point and this proves it.

So back to the the first trailer, the Dark Jedi is walking towards someone or something. Waves a "hold" command to the droid. Next scene we see him locking blades with someone else wielding a blue lightsaber.

This is a bit speculative, I must admit. I'm not sure I like it either, personally. :D

Long story short: Suppose if the Dark Jedi were to be Revan, then the only other thing we would have to go off of as to who he is fighting, evidence wise, is the Vision of Revan in Ludo Kressh's tomb, which the Exile had to fight. If that vision in the tomb was a representation of the future to come, or at least was a present representation at that time of their power if they were to fight, does that not imply something? Maybe that this other person is the Exile perhaps?

So this SWTOR teaser cinematic may (OR may NOT) be evidence that the Exile in fact wielded a blue lighsaber--that we know of at that particular point in time. Afterall, the color of Revan's orignal lightsaber (or sabers) is still debatable, too. ;)

So before that, the Exile could have wielded a single cyan saber, or two silver sabers, maybe an orange blade with a short violet blade. Perhaps a double bladed red. However she had to have a single blade of an othodox color by this point by this point because that's the commandment of Uncle George allmighty who was involved with this project.

So.....Anything is possible.

We will have confirmation late this fall, though, when the novel "Revan" by Drew Karpyshyn (http://www.starwarsmmo.net/cms/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/sdcc_revan_img.jpg)is released and these details are fleshed out.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Complete_Star_Wars_Encyclopedia

It's generally believed that she was brown hair, cyan lightsaber. Like it's generally believed Revan is male (comics, etc.)

So y'know.

#1 for effort though.

DarthJacen
08-29-2011, 03:46 PM
Ah yes. Lady Jim-Jim, anybody? :dev11:
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King Lloyd-o-niedas... anybody?
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@ DarthJacen: Yes I am actually relatively familiar with the timelines.
http://images.wikia.com/swtor/images/5/50/402px-Jedi_Revan.jpg

As you saw on the novel cover, Revan wielded a green lightsaber. Drew K. has stated on his own website this novel covers the events that happened *after* KOTOR 1 and 2.

We have art of a typical representation:
http://swtorunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/darthrevan-219x300.jpg

As we see here in the comics during the mandalorian wars, once Revan donned the mask, he raised his lightsaber, which at that point looked a sort of indigo color. Between violet and blue.
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/6/6d/RevanIsBorn-KotOR42.jpg
In the timelines Revan is seen fighting Mandalore the Ultimate. We all know it was hand to hand, but the TOR timeline has an interesting portrayal:
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/1/11/MtheUvsRevan.jpg

I do know that in the timelines also, a redeemed Revan is portrayed in them as fighting malak with a blue saber (alongside Bastilla, not in the picture).
http://mmogamerchick.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/malak-and-revan.jpg
Now while portrayals might not be 100% accurate, I wonder if they aren't hinting at something else. More on this in a sec.

Revan is the only one who could have picked up mantle of the force and heart of the guardian. Turquiose just off cyan, and a red orange, a slightest bit different than orange and bronze in TSL. I think these items given their rarity (and obviously *tremendous* value) would have been put into the vault of the Jedi order. That's just my opinion, but I really doubt we're going to find them in the loot of Revan's complex. However it is worth noting another comic book (Shadows and Light?) in a vision of one character it showed Malak dead at a masked Revan's foot. Behold:
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/2/22/Shadows_and_Light.jpg

As we saw in the vision of Revan in KOTOR2:TSL he wielded violet and red.
Art:
http://images.wikia.com/swtor/images/f/f2/Darth_Revan.jpg
Real, partial capture:
http://img.youtube.com/vi/hwsQPXFX3s8/0.jpg

BTW In one of my photo albums here, I have a picture of a hand crafted silver lightsaber "prop" of my own IRL if you're interested to look.

Given that and the chosen appearance in the timelines, PMHC04 in the KOTOR game file, which is the long dark hair "jedi mullet" most closely resembling Anakin Skywalker, I'd say BioWare is going for a sort of Anakin Skywalker thing. (I chose the head because it most resembled me irl, long dark hair--that was in 2006!)

I have a theory on why they'd do that: Darth Malgus.
Hint: Descramble the name "Veradun", the birth name of Darth Malgus, and you get 3 possibilities.
1) nuVader: which to us in our timeline irl Malgus is sort of the new Vader for us.
2) unVader: maybe this is a hint of what to do if/when you confront Malgus. Don't kill him because there may be somebody under his Vader-ish exterior that even he isn't aware of (a subject of my current interest as we speak)
3) u d revan: You, Darth Revan?

Credit to Darth Hater and 'neantibi' for the following image:
http://darthhater.com/uploads/blog_images/6459/revan.jpg
The image on the right is from timeline #6, BEFORE Revan is brought up in #7-9. This particular image is shown just after Gnost Dural recites the Sith retaking Korriban (in further details on the Return cinematic as you know).
This image may not be the fully accurate portrayal of the individual in question, but the timing of its showing might imply it was shortly after the retaking of Korriban. Or I could be way off. Is it unreasonable that maybe Malgus went down onto the surface of Korriban to relish the victory in person?

I don't want to derail the thread anymore though. I am currently working on a video right now actually. I'll invite criticism. Would anyone like me to start a thread on it and treat you LF'ers to it before I put it up on YouTube?

I suppose there's a little something I could show you all right here though, but I warn you, you might not like it.
[Ok fine, you win. Here it is! :D (http://www.dafk.net/what/)
Cool beans, eh?

They never did finish the timeline, though, I'm very disappointed. Anyway, I happen to think that Revan is long dead by the fall of Korriban, which was redepicted in the latest cinematic by Industrial Light and Magic. I have the wallpaper to prove it. I'm fairly certain that you are looking at Malgus' hood. Although, remember that the artist involved used a very similar art style throughout the timeline.

Darth Avlectus
08-30-2011, 12:18 AM
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Complete_Star_Wars_Encyclopedia
Better. :golfclap:

It's generally believedconfirmed that she had brown hair, cyan lightsaber. Fixed.

No need to shy away now. :)

↑ The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, By using File:Exilefemale2.jpg, a screenshot provided by a Wookieepedia user, the publishers of The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia have canonically established that the Jedi Exile's hair is brown
↑ The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, By using File:Exilefemale2.jpg, a screenshot provided by a Wookieepedia user, the publishers of The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia have canonically established that the Jedi Exile used a cyan lightsaber
The links in that page and the link it took you another post to come up with were all you had to say. Still, we will see if Uncle George Allmighty hath decreed differently as per his archaic orthodoxy (personally I kind of hope not).

Like it's generally believed Revan is male (comics, etc.)Whoa, whoa. Believed? Try confirmed. (http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20110422) By Drew Karpyshyn himself.

So y'know #1 for effort though.
No no, I believe that prize (http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3100/cookiemonsterabusingcookiedoug1.png) goes to you. For putting your money where Red Foreman's foot is. Cheers mate! :D
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They never did finish the timeline, though, I'm very disappointed. What are you talking about, unfinished? It has 12 parts and has been transcribed into a physical form for those who pre-ordered SWTOR. :confused:

Anyway, I happen to think that Revan is long dead by the fall of Korriban,
The Developer Walkthrough of Taral V would beg to differ:
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Forward to 1:59.
"The darkness will consume all it touches. Stars will burn black, ashes raining on lifeless worlds. Everything ends. The prisoner holds the darkness at bay. Lost inside it for 300 years, his strength will fail, then he will become the darkenss."
Now it could just be me but isn't three-hundred years ago from this point when Revan left for the outer regions?

Also please explain what those sith were talking about with "reborn" in the Mysteries of Revan trailer I linked above. Seems to me they are leaving it ambiguous to somehow suggest Revan might still be alive. I am hoping for Revan to be nothing more than the cliche force ghost by this point as well but these two videos have shaken that.

You're welcome to try to shoot these down (that would certainly make me feel better). I'm not so certain anymore that Revan is long dead. While we're at it, how could a human emperor live for 1300+ years and still look about 25? (Ref: blood of the empire comic) Do you have any ideas? I certainly have one.

What I am getting at is that while Revan's original physical form is, in all likelihood, dead, this sith emperor has been using a certain power combined with a certain technique, pressing Revan (and for all we know the many other tortured servants of the empire) into service for lifetimes longer than is natural. I mean, do you really think what Sidious did to Bevel Lemelisk (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bevel_Lemelisk) as punishment was a new idea of his time? The essence transfer power + clone/regenerate idea was very, very old by that time. Ancient.

which was redepicted in the latest cinematic by Industrial Light and Magic. I have the wallpaper to prove it. Be my guest. Both counts.

I'm fairly certain that you are looking at Malgus' hood. Although, remember that the artist involved used a very similar art style throughout the timeline.
Compare this to when Malgus' back is turned on the decieved cinematic.
While I agree this is supposed to be depicting malgus, look again, more carefully:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100223181837/starwars/images/thumb/e/ec/Sith_seize_Korriban.jpg/676px-Sith_seize_Korriban.jpg
The hood is pulled back. Do you notice the red stripes on each side?

Look at the head closer and you'll see, what appears to be tatters on the left side are actually separate hair strands. The head is drawn and shaded in a manner grainy and fibrous like strands of hair. Just like their depictions of Revan in later videos. If it were a hood, the shading would be more flatly consistent like the cape. If you have friends in forensics, ask them to take a look at this. Image here (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fall_of_Korriban).

Once you finally see what I am talking about: Why would they depict malgus like that if they weren't trying to suggest something?

Master Finch
08-30-2011, 01:18 AM
I have to say, and I'm not being sarcastic, but those walls of text frighten me. I appear to have stumbled into hardcore fans..

..

I like it!

DarthJacen
08-30-2011, 02:22 AM
They never finished the timeline. There are still seven slots left to fill. http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/timeline

I'm going with the assumption that Revan is dead until proved otherwise.

It might be hair, but a side-by-side comparison with the Revan and this dark figure maybe similar, but I don't think they match. I do know a forensic artist, but he doesn't work for free. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyYbvVAtlWk&feature=related
By the way, I, hope, that the Duel of the Fates theme is in the game! :)

Darth Avlectus
08-30-2011, 04:06 AM
@ Finch. Hey, I decided even if I can't play the MMO, I'm in it for the storyline. I want to see this darn thing through. I'm glad you've joined on board. :D

They never finished the timeline. There are still seven slots left to fill. http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/timeline Does it not seem as though these may be already completed and they are waiting to be released during the game? There's probably time for just one more. Or the spaces may continue to remain blank indefinitely. Who knows?

I'm going with the assumption that Revan is dead until proved otherwise.
Disappointing. I was hoping you'd try to negate the videos. :) Guess I got my hopes up too high.

It might be hair, but a side-by-side comparison with the Revan and this dark figure maybe similar, but I don't think they match. I do know a forensic artist, but he doesn't work for free. :)
You couldn't just casually ask him with a picture in hand "is this a hood or hair?"

That's fine but you are, perhaps intentionally, missing the point: they threw that inconsistency in there. It is no accident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyYbvVAtlWk&feature=related
By the way, I, hope, that the Duel of the Fates theme is in the game! :)

I think it will be. Didn't they say they were using various tracks from the movies and the games? At least they seem to have used it so far.

DarthJacen
08-30-2011, 04:23 PM
Objection: Speculation, your honor! Stick to the facts and let others draw the conclusions.

My other objection is hearsay! You can't used he said, she said this, when you're making an argument.

Again, you keep drawing conclusions that may come back to haunt you when the game comes out.

Master Finch
08-30-2011, 11:45 PM
*coughs and puts on his best HK Droid voice*

Logical speculation: Perhaps I should remind you that no Human can survive decaying of the flesh for 300 years, not even one so attuned in "the Force" as Lord Revan himself.

*coughs*

P.S. You know canonically he returned to the Light Side, and was named the Prodigal Knight. It's in all the comics and stuff and the game and stuffness.

DarthJacen
08-31-2011, 02:51 AM
We know this, and this is stated in the timeline, too.

Master Finch
08-31-2011, 05:31 AM
Back to topic, anyways.

The lightsabers (which I have been staring at for a while) are too.. roddy. Like the toy lightsabers, they're just too sort of physical. The lightsabers in the film are animated against live action, but the whole SW:TOR is animated in a sort of cartoony way so I think the lightsabers are made to fit in with that. But still, I think they should make it like the originally were - lightsabers, not swords - instead, and have the colours back to normal. (Royal blue for blue, purple for violet etc.).

Miltiades
08-31-2011, 08:57 AM
Logical speculation: Perhaps I should remind you that no Human can survive decaying of the flesh for 300 years, not even one so attuned in "the Force" as Lord Revan himself. There are ways. Remember that girl from the KotOR comics who survived for 4,000 years and eventually appeared in the Legacy comics? And in those Legacy comics, there's Darth Krayt who was well on his way to becoming 200 years old.

Master Finch
08-31-2011, 09:11 AM
There are ways. Remember that girl from the KotOR comics who survived for 4,000 years and eventually appeared in the Legacy comics? And in those Legacy comics, there's Darth Krayt who was well on his way to becoming 200 years old.

With amazing manipulation of the Dark Side, maybe. Or.. cryogenic freezing. That seems pretty standard.

Astor
08-31-2011, 09:17 AM
Just a friendly reminder, folks - if you're going to post, or even quote, multiple images, especially large images, PLEASE use the 'hidden' tags, otherwise it makes the thread both needlessly long and difficult to follow.

Miltiades
08-31-2011, 10:15 AM
With amazing manipulation of the Dark Side, maybe. Or.. cryogenic freezing. That seems pretty standard. Yes, well, none of that can be ruled out in Revan's case, I think.

Master Finch
08-31-2011, 10:26 AM
Yes, well, none of that can be ruled out in Revan's case, I think.

He r light side bruv.

Astor
08-31-2011, 10:59 AM
He r light side bruv.

That wouldn't stop Revan from using techniques or artefacts he knew about from his time as Dark Lord of the Sith.

Deft Aklin
08-31-2011, 11:39 AM
Just a friendly reminder, folks - if you're going to post, or even quote, multiple images, especially large images, PLEASE use the 'hidden' tags, otherwise it makes the thread both needlessly long and difficult to follow.

I lost track of what this thread was about on page 2 somewhere and gave up. lol

Prime
08-31-2011, 01:12 PM
Can't believe I'm only seeing the Intro cinematic for the first time now...

Totenkopf
08-31-2011, 02:28 PM
You're quite annoying, do you know that?

www.starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Exile

Don't encourage him. We recently got him his jester badge in a misguided effort to shut him up. :devsmoke:

As to the whole idea of whether Revan could exist 300 years later, between knowledge (jedi and/or sith) and the secrets of the Star Forge, why the hell not. Even Palpatine resorted to cloning to extend his mortal grip several thousand years later.

DarthJacen
08-31-2011, 03:52 PM
Can't believe I'm only seeing the Intro cinematic for the first time now...

You're a little behind. :)

Don't encourage him. We recently got him his jester badge in a misguided effort to shut him up. :devsmoke:

As to the whole idea of whether Revan could exist 300 years later, between knowledge (jedi and/or sith) and the secrets of the Star Forge, why the hell not. Even Palpatine resorted to cloning to extend his mortal grip several thousand years later.

Del Rey would beg to differ, in the Legacy of the Force book series Lumiya tells her soon to be new apprentice Jacen Solo that the Emperor ceased to be a Sith when he died initially. Everything else was unworthy of the title, in her opinion.

Master Finch
09-01-2011, 02:07 AM
We'll just have to wait and see.

Totenkopf
09-01-2011, 02:15 AM
Del Rey would beg to differ, in the Legacy of the Force book series Lumiya tells her soon to be new apprentice Jacen Solo that the Emperor ceased to be a Sith when he died initially. Everything else was unworthy of the title, in her opinion.


One sith trash talking another......who'd a thunk it. :xp:

DarthJacen
09-01-2011, 02:21 AM
Maybe, but she has a point. A Sith must go through blood, sweat, and tears [sounds like a certain rock group]. The Clone Palpatine, just, downloaded this information.

Master Finch
09-01-2011, 03:33 AM
Maybe, but she has a point. A Sith must go through blood, sweat, and tears [sounds like a certain rock group]. The Clone Palpatine, just, downloaded this information.

Blood sweat and tears sounds like [yet] another BBC Three programme >.>

Anyways, Clone Palpatine wtf??

DarthJacen
09-01-2011, 03:55 AM
Star Wars: Dark Empire graphic novels.

adamqd
09-01-2011, 11:28 AM
Clone Palpatine, Clone Galen Marek, Clone Luuke, Clone Force sensitives in General

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKss2uYpih8

DarthJacen
09-01-2011, 03:32 PM
I agree with you, haha!

Ascended_Mike
10-23-2011, 12:06 PM
Just goin back to the actual point of this thread, the lightsabers.

10 Jedi stood in a room all smashing things with their light sabers...
Imagine the mess from your eyes if there was motion blur kicking off them all? I couldn't bare to look at that on my computer screen all day. Silly. ;)

Darth Avlectus
11-10-2011, 10:57 PM
Yeah, let's bring this back to light-sabers.

Anyone buy any UltraSabers lightsabers in real life?

I decided I'm getting one of their "war glaive" lightsabers. Full options so that way I have sound AND easily interchangeable LED colors. As part of my costume for next year's conventions and halloween.

Colors available are red, green, blue, fire orange, silver, cyan, and just recently a violet color became available. Other LED colors exist elsewhere like amber/yellow, royal blue, light (seafoam-ish) green, warm white (yellow tint), soft white (pink/purple tint), and cool or cold white (blue-ish tint).

Ther are RGB options available.

Here's the basic overall design.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgpZQc7tsnLUS57V9tdWRqiZTgNp29a mTD3K03vc6iRsaPql7kkc3PZsO33Q

I'll keep the "glaive" blades a chrome finish, but instead of a silver body, I'll have it be black instead:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7Bq_zP9RAftismApFpMXUXV7wPTHKY pQrJm-TurqnT10idWJ8ODIleEOs

Ultrasabers and The Custom Saber Shop are among the more affordable sellers. Then you have others like Do-Clo custom sabers, I cannot comment on his because I have never bought anything from him BUT he gives alternative designed, fully machined saber handles at supposedly affordable prices.

Have not looked yet, but there is supposedly another maker out there who makes Kerian Halcyon's lightsaber.

Then you have your upper price ranged options from Advanced Light Waeponry (specializing in the weird, curvy and supposedly ergonomically balanced), and Genesis custom sabers. You really don't get any more elite than these two. Just look them up.

Also genesis custom sabers not only makes lightsabers, but USB holocrons. ($300--YIKES!)

Genesis is the only place that has made a lightsaber that is true to the novelization version of Darth Bane's lightsaber. Only 10 will ever be made, and you will turn green with envy when you see the price tag. However, the craftsmanship put into it is considerable. I'm not getting one, I don't even intend to try. I'd have to be a damn layer afford that.


This is for DarthJacen, so anyone else feel free to ignore this.
Objection: Speculation, your honor! Stick to the facts and let others draw the conclusions.
you forgot the appropriate HK tags. Doesn't matter though. You'll see why.

My other objection is hearsay! You can't used he said, she said this, when you're making an argument.
I was actually using the marketing point of view, implying that Bioware would not throw out a hint like they have if there wasn't something there, to get you excited only to find out he is long dead. Reason being, I just don't think lucasarts (who gives the ULTIMATE okay) would allow their credibility's leg to get humped by a dog of an anti-climactic story twist. :smirk2:

Again, you keep drawing conclusions that may come back to haunt you when the game comes out.
Actually, I was hoping (so badly you don't even KNOW) I was WRONG when I wrote that. To my relief I just found out I AM WRONG. :D :D :D

I had a crap ton of hints and coincidences between revan and malgus, only to find it was a wild goose chase. Testament to their storytelling abilities (I think I'm going to ask for dragon age 1 & 2 for christmas!).

I don't think I'm gonna be sorry I caved and preordered a collector's edition (being a collector of sorts plus having special goodies in game nobody else can get is a pretty nice perk, which I think even YOU can understand).

Check your PM box. Warning! spoilers abound!