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adamqd
07-27-2011, 06:33 AM
We know what we are getting from The Old Republic, but what aren't we getting?
I assume a lot of people playing this game wont have played an MMO before or at least not from Launch, I knew it wasn't a sandbox, and would be something new, but even I was surprised at some of the things not included (Although many of these may well be implemented after launch as they are kinda of secondary importance Launch wise)

I didn't compile this list, I just found it in the massive amount of Threads on the Official site :)

So far:

Swimming (1)
Third party addons (2)
Minigames like Pazaak, Sabac or Holo-chess (3)
Dual spec (4)
Day/night cycles
Non humanoid based playable races
Multiplayer space content
3d space combat
Choice of space ship chassis
Decoration mechanic for personal ships (5)
Pod & Swoop racing
Player bounties
Companions in Warzones (Well tbh I like this one)
Animal based pet classes
Resources for crafting does not have quality (6)
Guild leveling system (cf WAR) (7)
Animal mounts (8)
Flying mounts (10)
Large (20vs20 - or more) multiplayer PvP Warzones (9)
PvP Arenas
Collision detection between characters
[new] Macros (16)
Barber / Image Designer (11)
Appearance tabs (12)
Fishing (13)
[new] Guild "Tabard" (14)
[new] Multiplayer mounts (15)
[new] Racial Abilities


What else (not confirmed):

Gear Dyes?
Planetary housing?
Display pets?


==> Finally in <==

Companions body customization. (Skin color, hair style and more)
AC to AC respecs



Refs:

(1) [Clicky (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5987118#edit5987118)]

(2) Clicky (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=6252776#edit6252776)


(3) Clicky (http://torwars.com/2011/04/28/torwars-asks-bioware-your-questions-the-live-qa-with-damion-schubert/)

Clicky (http://www.swtor-fr.com/article-277-fan-site-summit-les-infos-du-qampa-avec-damion-schubert.html)

=> Pazaak, Sabac and Holo-chess won't make the launch. Their are pinned on the wall of crazy
though.
(4) Clicky (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=6182908#edit6182908)


(5) Clicky (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?game=367&feature=5195)


(6) Clicky (http://www.swtor-fr.com/article-277-fan-site-summit-les-infos-du-qampa-avec-damion-schubert.html)

=> Item stats will only be based on the schematic. The challenge will be to find the shcematics and then the required components

(7) Clicky (http://www.swtor-fr.com/article-277-fan-site-summit-les-infos-du-qampa-avec-damion-schubert.html)

=> War like guild leveling system is on the wall of crazy. Won't make the launch.

(8) Clicky (http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6316986/e3-2011-star-wars-the-old-republic-exclusive-details-on-raiding-tatooine-mounts-and-more)

=> Vehicles at launch. Animal mounts sometime in the future.

(9) Clicky (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/367/feature/5202/PvP-Interview.html)



(10) Clicky (http://www.askajedi.com/2011/06/10/e3-2011-daniel-erickson-video-interview/)


(11) Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/user/SwtorLife#p/a/u/1/3WLAUMhLiqY) @ 3:00



(12)


MMORPG.com interview (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/367/feature/5181/Flashpoint-Interview.html/page/1)

In short: you're going to wear your equipped gear otherwise he would not say people would refuse players based on their character's look.

(13) Clicky (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=7360145#edit7360145)


(14) Clicky (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=393493)


(15) Clicky (http://darthhater.com/2011/07/22/sdcc-2011-day-2-live-blog-coverage/)


(16) Clicky (http://darthhater.com/2011/07/24/sdcc-2011-day-4-live-blog-coverage/)

Miltiades
07-27-2011, 09:01 AM
Pazaak. :(

adamqd
07-27-2011, 09:05 AM
First thing that jumped out at me too :(

Fredi
07-27-2011, 11:51 AM
No pazaak?! oh no. :(

Gurges-Ahter
07-27-2011, 12:35 PM
I think I read in an interview somewhere that player housing would be available... but not entirely sure. I have no source to validate.

The rest I don't really care about... I'm new to MMOs so many of the things you listed aren't anything I'd be missing... and Pazaak was just a waste of time for me during K1 and K2.

Zerimar Nyliram
07-27-2011, 01:05 PM
Ziost, the other Sith homeworld. It would have been an interesting planet to explore.

Rogue15
07-27-2011, 02:24 PM
playable trandoshan character...yea i know they're a companion but come on, leaves me pissed more is swg is shutting down..

DarthJacen
07-27-2011, 02:42 PM
We know what we are getting from The Old Republic, but what aren't we getting?
I assume a lot of people playing this game wont have played an MMO before or at least not from Launch, I knew it wasn't a sandbox, and would be something new, but even I was surprised at some of the things not included (Although many of these may well be implemented after launch as they are kinda of secondary importance Launch wise)

I didn't compile this list, I just found it in the massive amount of Threads on the Official site :)

So far:

Swimming (1)
Third party addons (2)
Minigames like Pazaak, Sabac or Holo-chess (3)
Dual spec (4)
Day/night cycles
Non humanoid based playable races
Multiplayer space content
3d space combat
Choice of space ship chassis
Decoration mechanic for personal ships (5)
Pod & Swoop racing
Player bounties
Companions in Warzones (Well tbh I like this one)
Animal based pet classes
Resources for crafting does not have quality (6)
Guild leveling system (cf WAR) (7)
Animal mounts (8)
Flying mounts (10)
Large (20vs20 - or more) multiplayer PvP Warzones (9)
PvP Arenas
Collision detection between characters
[new] Macros (16)
Barber / Image Designer (11)
Appearance tabs (12)
Fishing (13)
[new] Guild "Tabard" (14)
[new] Multiplayer mounts (15)
[new] Racial Abilities


What else (not confirmed):

Gear Dyes?
Planetary housing?
Display pets?


==> Finally in <==

Companions body customization. (Skin color, hair style and more)
AC to AC respecs



Refs:

(1) [Clicky (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5987118#edit5987118)]

(2) Clicky (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=6252776#edit6252776)


(3) Clicky (http://torwars.com/2011/04/28/torwars-asks-bioware-your-questions-the-live-qa-with-damion-schubert/)

Clicky (http://www.swtor-fr.com/article-277-fan-site-summit-les-infos-du-qampa-avec-damion-schubert.html)

=> Pazaak, Sabac and Holo-chess won't make the launch. Their are pinned on the wall of crazy
though.
(4) Clicky (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=6182908#edit6182908)


(5) Clicky (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?game=367&feature=5195)


(6) Clicky (http://www.swtor-fr.com/article-277-fan-site-summit-les-infos-du-qampa-avec-damion-schubert.html)

=> Item stats will only be based on the schematic. The challenge will be to find the shcematics and then the required components

(7) Clicky (http://www.swtor-fr.com/article-277-fan-site-summit-les-infos-du-qampa-avec-damion-schubert.html)

=> War like guild leveling system is on the wall of crazy. Won't make the launch.

(8) Clicky (http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6316986/e3-2011-star-wars-the-old-republic-exclusive-details-on-raiding-tatooine-mounts-and-more)

=> Vehicles at launch. Animal mounts sometime in the future.

(9) Clicky (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/367/feature/5202/PvP-Interview.html)



(10) Clicky (http://www.askajedi.com/2011/06/10/e3-2011-daniel-erickson-video-interview/)


(11) Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/user/SwtorLife#p/a/u/1/3WLAUMhLiqY) @ 3:00



(12)


MMORPG.com interview (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/367/feature/5181/Flashpoint-Interview.html/page/1)

In short: you're going to wear your equipped gear otherwise he would not say people would refuse players based on their character's look.

(13) Clicky (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=7360145#edit7360145)


(14) Clicky (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=393493)


(15) Clicky (http://darthhater.com/2011/07/22/sdcc-2011-day-2-live-blog-coverage/)


(16) Clicky (http://darthhater.com/2011/07/24/sdcc-2011-day-4-live-blog-coverage/)

Ironically, all or most of these were included in Star Wars Galaxies.

adamqd
07-27-2011, 02:56 PM
yup, exactly :)

Lynk Former
07-27-2011, 05:47 PM
A lot of them will probably be added after it's been released... like the inclusion of Australians ;)

Mav
07-28-2011, 12:18 AM
A lot of them will probably be added after it's been released... like the inclusion of Australians ;)lol so bitter

Lynk Former
07-28-2011, 12:30 AM
Yeeeeees, I can feel your anger!

Miltiades
07-28-2011, 08:24 AM
Australians? Never heard of those. Must be some kind of obscure Star Wars alien race.

adamqd
07-28-2011, 08:40 AM
I think its the Politically correct term for people from Austria? Guten Tag paaren

Gurges-Ahter
07-28-2011, 10:55 AM
I thought they were all prisoners?

I've been politely informed that this could be considered a slur in Australia - I had no idea, so I'd like to retract my statement. It was meant to be humorous - I apologize if I offended anyone with my ignorance.

Pho3nix
08-07-2011, 06:46 AM
At this point it doesn't really matter what's not included since they've probably saved a lot of content for future patches and expansions. World of Warcraft was a vastly different game than it is now when it was first released... so yeah. Stay tuned.

Deft Aklin
08-10-2011, 09:26 AM
Some of this stuff has been exhaustively discussed on the official forums if you look for it. Many have also had dev responses to. A couple in here I did not comment on, and that is because I can't remember if we have a dev response on or not, even though I know they won't be at launch. Some were so silly I had to comment anyways. Be careful when surfing the official forums to NOT drink the kool aid please. I also ask that you take into account this is not intending to be a personal attack toward anyone here. I do take some freedom in expressing my opinions on some of the topics.


Swimming (1)
Third party addons (2) (Not at launch)
Minigames like Pazaak, Sabac or Holo-chess (3) (Not at launch [Though this may change on this one from rumors])
Dual spec (4) (Not at launch, but there has been an outcry for this one)
Day/night cycles (Not at launch)
Non humanoid based playable races (You do realize that non-humanoid means not bipedal and upright right? This one is just dumb...)
Multiplayer space content
3d space combat (Not at launch, and there have been enough complaints we can probably expect a JTL like fix here.)
Choice of space ship chassis
Decoration mechanic for personal ships (5)
Pod & Swoop racing
Player bounties (Why? So BHs again have more content than every other class? I admit, it was fun in SWG, but we all had a second toon for that.)
Companions in Warzones (Well tbh I like this one) (Done for balancing reasons)
Animal based pet classes (Every class is a pet class... we have companions... Did you really want to play Star Wars to be a bantha herder?)
Resources for crafting does not have quality (6) (A lot of beta testers have been raving about the crafting system. There are still critical successes and the chance to reverse engineer items to make them better or find new schematics.)
Guild leveling system (cf WAR) (7)
Animal mounts (8) (You do realize that these were usually being used by the indigenous population in every movie, and Ben just grabbed one because he needed it at that moment right? Who would actually choose to ride an animal when speeders are available?)
Flying mounts (10) (Um... we have space ships...)
Large (20vs20 - or more) multiplayer PvP Warzones (9)
PvP Arenas
Collision detection between characters
[new] Macros (16)
Barber / Image Designer (11)
Appearance tabs (12)
Fishing (13)
[new] Guild "Tabard" (14) (I'm sorry, did Han and Luke where matching outfits and none of us noticed?)
[new] Multiplayer mounts (15) (Space ship)
[new] Racial Abilities (Game balance issues.)


What else (not confirmed):

Gear Dyes? (Gear will have an option to match chest piece only)
Planetary housing? (At launch your ship will be your home. There has been some discussion about guild capital ships though by the devs...)
Display pets? (Vanity pets are available [droids mostly])


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Lynk Former
08-10-2011, 09:52 AM
@ Deft Aklin: Hope you don't mind, but I changed the dark red text to yellow... I couldn't see any of it with the light purple background.

And thanks for all that info, it's awesome XD

adamqd
08-10-2011, 10:45 AM
thanks for the update Deft! :)

(also FTR, I simply copied this, its not my research nor opinion :)although you are right your words do offend, but i try not to take offense at Internet people ;))

Jeff
08-10-2011, 03:08 PM
It's crazy to me that Pazaak isn't in the game, when BioWare invented it...

Hallucination
08-10-2011, 09:59 PM
Guild "Tabard" (14) (I'm sorry, did Han and Luke where matching outfits and none of us noticed?)

Yes. http://www.texasdarkside.com/t_af_lg_col_han_solo_and_luke_skywalker_stormtroop er_disguises_box_front.jpg

DarthJacen
08-11-2011, 03:40 PM
Yes. http://www.texasdarkside.com/t_af_lg_col_han_solo_and_luke_skywalker_stormtroop er_disguises_box_front.jpg

Shh, quiet or you'll appear old. Yes, anyone who remembers Star Wars: A New Hope, will remember that they wore Stormtrooper uniforms.

Astor
08-11-2011, 06:30 PM
Most of the stuff not in the game doesn't bother me. A lot of it makes sense not being there.

The only thing that irks me a little is that spaceships aren't customisable. It's going to make for a very boring looking universe with lots of the same ships flying around.

DarthJacen
08-11-2011, 10:59 PM
Most of the stuff not in the game doesn't bother me. A lot of it makes sense not being there.

The only thing that irks me a little is that spaceships aren't customisable. It's going to make for a very boring looking universe with lots of the same ships flying around.

On the contrary, I have yet to see anything that suggests there will be multiple player ships in the same scene. It looks like an old arcade game.

Mav
08-12-2011, 01:43 AM
On the contrary, I have yet to see anything that suggests there will be multiple player ships in the same scene. It looks like an old arcade game.So...? Just because you can't see them all at once doesn't mean they aren't all the same.

Deft Aklin
08-12-2011, 02:53 AM
thanks for the update Deft! :)

(also FTR, I simply copied this, its not my research nor opinion :)although you are right your words do offend, but i try not to take offense at Internet people ;))

Nah Adam, I realized you copied and pasted that. My apologies if anything came off as offensive, it was not intended as such. If you religiously follow the official forums there is a LOT of bull in there. I can definitely see how some of my comments could be taken abrasively, but seriously, go read the official forums and see how many idiots are upset about the dumbest of things. Unfortunately, we can't fix stupid, but if anything on that list really deserves outcry it is probably these:


3D Space Combat - Yeah, the rails thing is retarded, but they did have to leave themselves something for an expansion or two right? Not to mention the discussion of capital ships for guilds... yum...

No Dual Spec - This just seems ludicrous. I can't help but feel that the devs have some reason they are being sticklers here. They are going to be allowing respecs/AC changes for a cost, but specifics are being decided on. I.e. Number of respec limitation or level restriction etc. Dual spec would solve almost all of it.

Mini-games - Yeah, Sabaac and Swoop racing should be in the game, but again... an expansion option perhaps?

Release Date - 'Holiday 2011'? Either they want us to think it's Christmas so they can surprise us with Thanksgiving, or they want to say Thanksgiving but are afraid it won't be until Christmas... People, just make up your minds already. I would rather have been told nothing than been given that cryptic pile of uselessness.

Non-Customizable UI - Seriously? In this day and age we can't even move the boxes around or change the color?



Actually, after reviewing the list again I have more additions to it...


Collision detection between characters - <- Serious griefing tool. - "Excuse me while me and my guild block you into that corner there. We'll be AFK thxkbye." - "Oh, you need 'this' vendor? I'm sorry..." - "My apologies folks, but this flashpoint is down for maintenance." - You get the idea here...
Fishing - So... someone actually wants to do this? Can we PLEASE get something better than fishing? I mean really... fishing.... that is sooooo incredibly Star Warsy... Not going to lie,. if Luke said, "Hey Han, can you grab my pole?" I am fairly certain Luke would have died in his trench run at Yavin IV...


As for all of the customization stuff... far too many people want this to be the second coming of SWG.... when it has already been declared, this is the second coming of KotOR. Yes, we had a LOT of great things in SWG, unfortunately, we had Devs that did things without really thinking them through. Bioware seems to be trying the opposite approach, and I think we will all be better off for it.

Yes. http://www.texasdarkside.com/t_af_lg_col_han_solo_and_luke_skywalker_stormtroop er_disguises_box_front.jpg

I think I need to give you even more props for not just posting that, but not calling me out on my misuse of 'where' where I intended 'wear'. lol

On the contrary, I have yet to see anything that suggests there will be multiple player ships in the same scene. It looks like an old arcade game.
This is accurate. Beta testers have leaked that you can have multiple people on your ship, but I don't recall seeing anything about actually doing space combat missions from the same ship. Maybe I'll send it as a question to betacake and see what we get.