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Largo
11-23-2000, 06:57 PM
I am still playing EMI and i really really love it. But as I noticed that many of you say that Grim Fandango is better, iI borrowed it from my cousin to have a look at it. It is horrible. No humour, creepy graphics, bad atmosphere and the plot no matter how complex it is, it is silly!
Come on EMI is really better. No comparison. And to prove it, have a look at the sales.

Guybrush UK
11-23-2000, 08:11 PM
i thought Grim was going to be boring with no comedy... but it is in a Film Noir/Dark Comedy style, & how can u not laugh when the resistance leader starts talking about penguins on pogo sticks (dont ask me, i dont got the game, but i WANT it http://www.escapemi.com/forums/smile.gif)

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Maverick
11-23-2000, 08:23 PM
Well I have to say.. I have Grim Fandango and EMI and I have to say that Grim fandango is pretty boring.. isnt all that fun.. EMI is much better.. I dont know what everyone is talkin about with GF being better.. but whatever..

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Guybrush UK
11-23-2000, 09:14 PM
its subtle humour...

like saying Glottis isn't fat, the cars just aren't big enough...

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H. Toothrot
11-24-2000, 10:59 AM
EMI rules,grim fandango SUCKS!

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Morello
11-25-2000, 01:08 PM
Grim Fandango is sophisticated humour, I think.

Well, more sophisticated than say.... a three-headed monkey behind someone's back.

But it wasn't primarily a comedy. It was based on the Noir mystery films, and actually did exceedingly well in replicating them. I thought Grim Fandango was a brilliant game.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Grim was better than EMI, or EMI was better than Grim. They're both extremely different games. The only similiarity is the engine in which they're both made.

*grim spoiler below*

Although I still think that anyone would laugh when Manny asks that chick who's in cahoots with Hector LeMans where the resistance leader is, and she says 'Ask him yourself' and chucks his head in the backseat, then the dramatic Noir music thunders through your speakers and finally he just says 'Hola Manuel!'. I loved it http://www.escapemi.com/forums/biggrin.gif

I just realised the similarities between that bit and MI1. Wow.

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dvdwood
11-25-2000, 01:54 PM
GRIM fandago. http://www.escapemi.com/forums/smile.gif

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Michael Dodson
11-25-2000, 02:18 PM
I think EMI is funnier than Grim, but the storyline to the latter is a gazillion times better than the one in MI4.

Guybrush112
11-25-2000, 02:53 PM
How can you guys think GF is boring?? O, you guys probaly don't like film noir? You see, I'm into that stuff, plus the comedy that was in GF was hilarious! (GF spoiler) When Glottis gets a machine part and says, "Manny, up until now we scraped across the ground like rats. But now we soar! Yeah. We soar like eagles! Eagles on....POGO STICKS!" or when Manny releases Bruno to the Land of the Dead and bruno says, "Nice bathrobe." It was hilarious. But GF can't be better than EMI, they are so different you can't judge them together. I think GF was an AMAZING game full of humor, and a sad, compelling, film noir, deep, storyline. And I thought EMI was an AMAZING game full of even more (non-sophistocated) humor, complex storyline, intriging graphics and whatnot. But yu can't compare GF to EMI. In fact, the only way is to say they are both equal. (by the time I post this reply I better be a 'Three-Headed Monkey...grrrrr)

Guybrush UK
11-25-2000, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Guybrush112:
But now we soar! Yeah. We soar like eagles! Eagles on....POGO STICKS



THATS the quote i was looking for http://www.escapemi.com/forums/smile.gif

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C Shutt
11-25-2000, 10:47 PM
Grim Fandango was so much better than EFMI. That you would prefer EFMI just goes to show that you are more interested in juvenile humour and bright colours than you are in originality and a sophisticated story.

<em>"Come on EMI is really better... And to prove it, have a look at the sales."</em> How does that prove anything? Britney Spears sells more albums than PJ Harvey, does that mean she's more talented?

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Bob Shrimp
11-26-2000, 12:43 PM
IMO, EMI is better than GF for a number of reasons...

1. EMI has a better system than GF. That PageUp/PageDown feature allows many, many more items to be dealt with than GF's one-at-a-time method.

2. GF's humor was *TOO* subtle, and given the cartoonish/not realistic design of the game this doesn't work out too well. Monkey Island's humor works well with the game and thus it beats out GF in this respect.

3. EMI's plot isn't bad when you compare it to the plots of the other Monkey Island games (especially Monkey Island 2), and so it isn't bad in that respect. As far as GF, well I will admit it does have more of a plot, albeit a complex plot that, at least I found, isn't very engaging.

4. I had more fun playing EMI than I did GF. So there! (Heck, I had even more fun playing The Dig than I did playing GF.)

Bob Shrimp

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Guybrush112
11-26-2000, 12:48 PM
yes, yes C Shutt, we all no your soooooo superior and sooooo wise and mighty. How can people possibly call YOU, the Amazing C Shutt, cynical. That's hideous! http://www.escapemi.com/forums/rolleyes.gif
Shutt: If you hate EMI, go to a GF forum or a non-EMI forum. Quit bothering us!

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Guybrush112
11-26-2000, 12:49 PM
yes, yes C Shutt, we all no your soooooo superior and sooooo wise and mighty. How can people possibly call YOU, the Amazing C Shutt, cynical. That's hideous! http://www.escapemi.com/forums/rolleyes.gif
Shutt: If you hate EMI, go to a GF forum or a non-EMI forum. Quit bothering us!

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Colonel Sanders
11-28-2000, 07:32 AM
just a thought.......

don't let lack of others' intelect bring you down...cshutt......stick up for what you think.....i beleive i can speak for several people that post on this forum when i say we come here on the basis of MI1, 2, and 3... these superb games created a following that will not be destroyed by one less than par game.....i can take being criticized...i'm not entirely certain why some of you get so defensive when other's post opinions that are different from yours......how 'bout you give up your bickering and have a discussion.....nothing more nothing less.....

Kiersiege
11-28-2000, 08:04 AM
EMI rocks. Period.
Haven't played GF but I'm pretty sure I'd like it too, Doubt I'd like it more than EMI
though. If you want to say I like bright colors and juvenile humor fine. I also happened to like Jar Jar Binks. I thought he was brilliant for the purpose he servers. (A big middle finger from george lucas to the fanboys that think they somehow inherited the universe he created just cuz they spent their life savings on action figures)

SexyNerd
11-28-2000, 04:01 PM
i'm not entirely certain why some of you get so defensive when other's post opinions that are different from yours......how 'bout you give up your bickering and have a discussion

Thats funny, the post started out with a decent (non flaming) discussion of why someone felt MI4 was good and Grimfandango was bad. It wasn't until CShutt came in attacking people for thier opinions that it turned into a petty argument

Grim Fandango was so much better than EFMI. That you would prefer EFMI just goes to show that you are more interested in juvenile humour and bright colours than you are in originality and a sophisticated story.

It seems like you are defending this person because you agree with his/her choice of game...I believe that would make you a hypocrit.

The Feral Chicken
11-28-2000, 07:01 PM
I am not calling anyone here thick or anything, because you obviously aren't to like adventure games, but I agree with C Shutt. Grim was better humour FOR ME as it was nice and subtle, like in Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. But I like juvenile comedy as well, otherwise I wouldn't watch South Park and play MI.

Also, I disagree with Guybrush 112 about this comment;
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If you hate EMI, go to a GF forum or a non-EMI forum. Quit bothering us!
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I reckon ZeroXscape should add a new forum; EMI Gripes

{P.S. if you think I am having a go at EMI, I can honestly say I LOVED it. So there}
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Largo
11-28-2000, 08:32 PM
Pffffffff...Sophisticated humour. Hearing a quote, trying to work it out for about 5 minutes, proceed with the gamr, review it again and again and finally find out how funny it is to play with a fool skeleton game, whosse dark atmosphere just tries to conceal the messed up graphics. Pfffffffff

Spasmodean
11-29-2000, 03:21 PM
Yo Feral Chicken!
I tried asking you on the 'Porcelain Phobia' post, but no reply yet so I thought I'd give it a go here:

How do you get graphics into yr signature?
Or is it an honor that is bestowed solely upon the revered Three Headed Monkeys ?

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Guybrush UK
11-29-2000, 03:51 PM
ok... *****in time...


C Shutt, we stand by your view on EMI, yes it was a disappointment, but its not a good idea to come on an EMI board (note the www.escapemi.com (http://www.escapemi.com) in the title?) & jip it...

the Scummbar, IHOM & other sites all have SMI, LCR & CMI boards... go there

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Guybrush112
11-29-2000, 06:14 PM
quote: P.S. if you think I am having a go at EMI, I can honestly say I LOVED it. So there}

I don't think that! I think that C Shutt IS entitled to his opinion with out a doubt! I think that he should say what he thinks. And I wouldn't think you hated EMI. But I think it was a bad idea to come to a site based on one thing he doesn't like and say it every chance he gets. (I don't mean that as an insult)

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Cheshire
01-01-2001, 04:11 AM
All right, what is this??!!! I have read every reply on this topic, and I think it is very childish! I mean, I like both EFMI and GF very much, and for very different reasons. In GF I liked the characters, humourous dialogue, grafics(which I have to say are just about the same as EFMI), and the whole noir/dark movie feel http://www.escapemi.com/forums/wink.gif.And I liked EFMI for its great humour,color, and hilarious dialogue http://www.escapemi.com/forums/biggrin.gif. But as someone else said, you can't compare them, they are too different! I loved them both, and I hate people who make a fight out of opinions.So there. http://www.escapemi.com/forums/tongue.gif

MtBlanc
01-01-2001, 05:14 AM
I don't want to compare the two games. Doing so would probably end up ruining the feeling each left us with. Grim Fandango obviously had a focus towards environment. Each location was well illustrated and the graphics of it all truly added to the expierience. I'm not saying it was the graphics that made the game, it's just that's what I felt was the game's strong point. It didn't matter how sharp they were, they were like LCR's graphics. The environment was what mattered and that was its strength. EMI seemed not to be focused on an environment that drew you in, but one that outright tried to make you laugh. Even the deep dark environment of the Mists o' Time made me laugh.
Once again, with the story and dialogue, I think GF tried to create a film noir feeling. The amount of wit and sophistication show that, whereas all of the MI games (especially EMI) are blantantly funny with direct jokes all around. That is the first goal of any MI game: to make the player laugh. GF seemed to take humor and make it a secondary goal. Sure, at times the story seems to be directed towards humor, but it slacked off at other times. Most often, the wit and sophistication of the story molded the jokes and humor of GF into subtle jokes. I am not favoring either path both these games took, for each appeared to be quite successful.
Both GF and EMI seem to have a different goal in mind. GF is to create a grand adventure that forces the player to think back to each environment he/she played through and think of how each scene conveyed the film noir story. The wit and sophisticated nature of the story went hand in hand with the environment. EMI's goal is to obviously make the gamer laugh. While EMI's goal is simpler, that does not make it any less of a goal. Therefore, I see these two graphic adventures with different intentions and I do not think it fair to judge both with the same standards. Also, I do not think that anyone could possibly say that either game is poor when looked at alone.

If you don't agree with me, fine. Just tell me why, don't call me an idiot. I think that is obvious in itself. (Come on, I chose Dinghy Dog as my username, what can that possibly say about my intellect!) I am sorry for the length of this post.



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The Feral Chicken
01-01-2001, 06:06 PM
'Grim' is more my normal style of sophisticate and suave, subtle humour, but I can definitely let myself go anytime for more direct humour


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