View Full Version : Zone support!
11-21-2001, 02:27 AM
they're looking into it apparently, how very very interesting.
talk amongst yerselves, im veclemped.
11-21-2001, 02:56 AM
i said this b4
Originally posted by StephenG:
i dont wanna have to go to the zone to play muitlplayer JO! i want dedicated servers!</STRONG>
i really hope they have dedicated servers.
11-21-2001, 02:57 AM
Looking into it normally means "no" in developer speak!
11-21-2001, 03:00 AM
i hope its not on the zone, but similar format to the zone, with the ability to talk etc with people, or maybe even talk to people in servers so u can find friends etc...
.. considering q3 supports dedicated servers, in-game server browsing, etc., the Zone is "obselete".
11-21-2001, 03:47 AM
the Zone is "obselete".
agreed.. and a pain in the arse to deal with I might add..
Khan Aidan Hall
11-21-2001, 05:00 AM
You will never find a more wretched hive of
scum and villainy.
11-21-2001, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by Khan Aidan Hall:
<STRONG>You will never find a more wretched hive of
scum and villainy.</STRONG>
Millions o' Monkeys
11-21-2001, 07:00 AM
yes something to that extent
11-21-2001, 10:16 AM
No Zone support. Good. Dedicated severs. Even better.
11-21-2001, 10:50 AM
well done digl and wilhulf. Much appreciated. I am off school today so I am not supposed to be on the internet but Mum and Dad have gone out.
Be back later
11-21-2001, 11:48 AM
I don't see anything wrong with having Zone support, I just see something wrong with having it as the primary place to play JK2. It's all about options. Let those that want to play on the Zone, play there, while those of us who understand its limitations and are ready for the bigger/better, play elsewhere. ;)
11-21-2001, 12:53 PM
Agreed. Zone is fine as long as there are dedicated servers (almost a certainty), and alternates such as gamespy, All-Seeing Eye, or an in-game server browser.
11-21-2001, 01:50 PM
Ya... I see *no point* in having Zone support. All the Zone can do is bring down another possible GOTY title. If JK had dedicated servers, cheating could be more easily controlled and the game would be much more popular then it is today.
*Jedi Knight II must have Dedicated Servers*
As Raven representatives have said in the past, there is no need to remove needed code from the engine. I don't think we need to worry about this issue any longer.
I would be happy with dedicated servers as long as yo ucan find a friend chat, and message. Then i'd be on dedicated servers but if none of that then i'd prob go back to zone. Zoen also ruins chance to paly on zone but i sure sure sure hope the dedicated servers have everything i jsut said up there!
Raven Please REad this..... seems not that many good questions answered even though i wasn't at it as it was 2am!
Khan Aidan Hall
11-22-2001, 10:47 PM
It's Quake 3 with lightsabers. Of course there'll be dedicated servers.
11-23-2001, 02:04 AM
hopefully it will have advanced beyond quake 3 with lightsabers
11-23-2001, 02:42 AM
Why do people keep acting like the Zone is the only place in the world to chat? Not only is it not the only place to chat, but it's like the crappiest of all places to chat. If all you want to do is chat and play, simply download Gamespy Arcade or mIRC(both of which make the Zone look like a joke).
Khan Aidan Hall
11-23-2001, 02:57 AM
Don't forget ICQ.
11-23-2001, 03:27 AM
What I don't like about the zone is that you can't even play JK on it anymore. You can play addons, rpgs, spork, hacking, etc. You can't just play a decent game! The other day I was playing in single player and thought "this is too easy. It'll be more fun with real people". Unfortunately the real people weren't playing the same game anymore. Real disappointment. :(
11-23-2001, 05:38 AM
i hate zone..oh plz god no zone plz..PLZ...
-breaks down and cries-
11-23-2001, 06:22 AM
i kind of liked UT's method of game locating and chatting
the lack of a messenger or some sort of identification method made it kind of hard to communicating with people(without the distraction of game play) beyond simply trying to convince them, in game, to come to your chat..
[ November 23, 2001: Message edited by: DeathBoLT ]
11-23-2001, 08:11 AM
[edit - Gonk - I get home from a stressful evening and i find this. Buffness.... the way we work things round here is that we dont make personal attacks. I tried to edit your other message because of your foul language, but because im not a mod in that forum i was unable to. Of the 2 posts youve made so far here, ive edited one and wanted to edit the other. keep within the boundries and itll all be fine.]
[ November 23, 2001: Message edited by: GonkH8er ]
Khan Aidan Hall
11-23-2001, 09:15 AM
[edit - gonk - that'll be enough of that. retalliate and youre just as bad......]
[ November 23, 2001: Message edited by: GonkH8er ]
wonder what happened there
11-23-2001, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by ReAcToR:
<STRONG>If all you want to do is chat and play, simply download Gamespy Arcade or mIRC(both of which make the Zone look like a joke).</STRONG>
It is a joke. Basically, one day the guys at Microsoft all sat down and said "hmm... how shall we conspire to piss off the world today? Buggy software? No, done that. Unfair business practices? No, done that one too. How about making everyone phone up a helpdesk with an activation code for their software? No, that's so old-hat".
The one bright spark said, "I know, I've got this idea, and it's called the Zone, and it's absolutely guaranteed to piss off everyone..."
Intrigued, Bill and the others gathered round, and thus the Zone was born...
[ November 23, 2001: Message edited by: ed_silvergun ]
Khan Aidan Hall
11-23-2001, 11:10 PM
that'll be enough of that. retalliate and youre just as bad......
That's like saying the U.S. is just as bad as Osama Bin Laden for retaliating. Now where's the logic in that?
11-23-2001, 11:34 PM
I've heard of dedicated servers, but I'm not really sure -what- they are. Perhaps.. dedicated servers, but in what way? How do one apply them to the net?
Sorry for being slow, but you don't get any answers if you don't ask questions. :)
[ November 23, 2001: Message edited by: WinterJedi ]
11-24-2001, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by Khan Aidan Hall:
That's like saying the U.S. is just as bad as Osama Bin Laden for retaliating. Now where's the logic in that?</STRONG>
No, not really. You see, America's strike back at the taliban was an attempt to wipe out such things from happening again. What you did was just provoke the original act to happen more often. There's a huge difference.
Now that's enough of that. Back onto talking about the zone.
11-24-2001, 11:19 PM
i would love to see a zonelike dedicated server based game browsing system with a built-in IM. (basically like the zone, with games hosted on dedicated servers, no sysops!, and a builtin IM akin to the old 93KB ZM [i would hope to hell that someone knows what im talking about])......
anyway, thats what i want to see.....
Here's what I think of the matter.
Zone support would be worthless. Dedicated servers let you play with more people and lower pings. The Zone is obselete when you have server browsing in Q3.
GameSpy will have support or it, or so they say. If you go to the GameSpy listed games, Jedi Outcast is in there. Chances are, it'll bring up dedicated servers just like it would in-game. But the advantage is the IM system that you don't have in Q3. I'd go with the default server browsing and ICQ for IM.
11-25-2001, 08:25 AM
Dedicated servers let you play with more people and lower pings. The Zone is obselete when you have server browsing in Q3
Exactly!! Also the Zone is just a huge hassle, you have to install all this extra crap. Have other crappy programs (zone friends..LOL) running while playing on the zone. The Zone sux.
It is a breeze playing games like CS on dedicated servers. Since, for popular, games the servers are all local so you get awesome pings.
11-25-2001, 04:00 PM
The zone? Why the Zone? I'd hoped they never have to use such a wretched device again. I would have posted earlier on this subject, but I was weeping, due to the fact that they would even consider the zone. I am now going to have some bad nightmares thanks to this Zone nonsense.
11-25-2001, 05:05 PM
Zone sucks! :D
Gamespy sucks! :D
Kali for life! :D
(I know, I'm shameless)
11-25-2001, 07:23 PM
OMG hey dark, i was MIG_Anders back in the day.
Most of you pining for ded/servs don't seem to understand community at all. You just log on and frag somthing then log off. Some of us actually maintain clans and friendships across great spans of distance and without a central place to do that it would be impossible.
Which is not to say i like the zone, i hate it, but there has to be some sort of central hub to gather at or we'll lose yet another advantage that JK had over other games.
JK doesn't have that advantage. There are tons of clans for other games that keep in touch. They use this thing called ICQ and a website.
11-26-2001, 02:21 AM
sigh, welcome to the forums blah blah.
JK had a very well defined community. I didn't mean keep in touch with yer clanmates, i meant keep in touch with some kid u just played by chance.
Keep in touch for years. Take darkera for instance. I haven't talked to dark in like 2 and a half years at least, since i left kali for the zone. but I know where to find him, and i know where he plays if i wanted to. Using icq to keep in touch with like 10 or 15 of yer clanmates as opposed to me using zf to keep in touch with about [counts nicks in zf list] 158 top rate players, is rather ridiculous.
+i can tell when those folks are in a game, who they're in a game with, i can keep track of how often they're online, and what they tend to play.
This helps for recruitment for one. It helps to direct your attention to the best players in the community if yer trying to get better and learn, it gives you access to the 270 people in nar so that you can ask them questions about JK related shiznat.
All the zone is, is an advanced server browser with an integrated chat/im system. What people don't like about it, is that its run by microcock, its down all the time, they enforce ridiculous rules while doing nothing about cheaters and the like, and it doesn't ship with the game so its a really annoying 15 min dl on a 56k just so you can play a game.
I wouldn't mind operating out of mirc, which is about what I do now, but im not going to be a fool and claim that the zone has no merit. It's kept JK alive for a long time because it presents people with a very cohesive community to draw from play in.
11-26-2001, 12:14 PM
u got that right lucky.
11-26-2001, 12:35 PM
Any dedicated servers ingame *can* have a feature set the same as the Zones. It just boils down to whether the company making the product can be stuffed doing it ;P
11-26-2001, 03:21 PM
trying to integrate irc into a game is a pathetic attempt to try to create a im/chat environment. granted, the games hosted by the zone were plagued with lag problems, but had the games been hosted on dedicated servers and had the zone "system" been hosted by a proprietary site (NOT gamespy), jk would have been much more active. JK was awesome for its multiplayer gameplay not because of its elite servers as with other newer games, but with its people network. the zone chat was, albeit laggy, a fun place to go that was integrated into the same window as your games, along with an instant messenger service. Trying to incorporate 3rd party messenger services is just plain stupid. jk2, although i am sad to say will simply be supporting server browsing, will not have the same community as jk did. simple as that. without an im/chat environment, jk2's popularity will suffer.
i know it will.
and to the fact that it wont support a zone-like environment, lets look at q3, shall we?
so anyway, im fine with mirc, although i would have liked to see a new game host spring up, with voluntary servers and an integrated chat/im system.
jk2 will not be as popular in the multiplayer sense that jk was...
well, thats about all i have to say about that....for now....
by the way, to clear some things up, i loved the old zone friends. it owned! (sysops are the devil; there should be flood protection built INTO the zone)
DOH! well....THAT'S all i have to say...
[ November 26, 2001: Message edited by: thrEEpaGe ]
11-26-2001, 08:51 PM
People should have the ability to play where they want. If you want to play over the Zone, you should have that ability. If you want to play over mIRC, you should have that ability. The same goes for anything else.
Personally, I despise the Zone, it's ridiculously buggy software, it's power-hungry sysops and its lame excuse for help/tech support, but I'm all for people being able to play there. I chat on mIRC - #JediKnight - irc.enterthegame.com but do alot of my gaming on the Zone(at least I did until they upgraded the software recently and made it impossible for me to play).
Anything that you use to play JKII is going to have its ups and downs but LEC/Raven should allow us to choose which ups and downs we want to go with.
There are thousands of people who play games and each one has their own reasons for playing. Some of us like less chat and more play while others like more chat and less play. Either way, we should be able to play how we want to. Personally, I can't stand 99% of the people that play video games online and would rather avoid talking to them.
I would like to have the ability to not have to join a buggy chatroom to play a game and I will get that ability. I'm getting what I want, everyone else should get what they want as well. It's all about options...that simple. Anyone who swings one way or the other, should recognize that not everyone agrees with you and that we're all just people who want to play a game the way we want to play it, but I'll be damned if I play JKII on the Zone.
Put it like this.....
I think all of us here at jk2.net H8 the zone BUT liek the little extras.
I think if raven are looknig at this they should definetly include chat for jk2 servers.....
Otherwise it won't be as interacting as jk and not as many tournies or popular or nay rivalry because u'd jsut get rid off ur name if u got beat.
Dedicated servers with chat, messaging and player lsits is all i want!!!
READ THIS RAVEN/LEC
if the zone ups JKII support to 24, or even 16 people it will be fine if you ask me
11-26-2001, 11:06 PM
good points threep, term and menty[react].
You'll see those 24 person rooms in the mw4 chats on the zone.
I hate the zone too, i want to see somthing new, but I agree we need those extras. They're very powerful in keeping the community together.
I don't want to have to turn to a ladder to find people to play competitively.
Kali/irc are my choice of poison, but if raven can think up somthing better, maybe run by their loyal gamers, I'm so down i could cry.
If not, me and reactor and bartolo and others are hard at work building a working JK2 community over on enterthegame.
All of you are welcome of course, think menty mentioned the JKMAG channel #jediknight, but you'll also find #JCS #sykotic [dont expect too much out of the aussies in syk =P] #quest, #hdk, #ironknights and my channel, #WC.
Chat for a bit if you'd like, or snag a game. Prolly even get a game of JK there these days =P
/end selfless promotion [does it ever really end?]
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