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Toa Tahu
11-28-2001, 04:07 AM
Who were those !@#$%^&* who voted for third person during lightsabre duels?I always thought first person was much better?! :mad: :mad:

DeathBoLT
11-28-2001, 04:44 AM
Well, most of the top NF sabers players in Jedi Knight used third-person player... there were a few rare incidents where exceptional players that used first-person often(i.e. HDK_Logicbomb)..

in every game i played that featured some melee aspect, third person was the easiest means of playing it. as for blocking, first person is probably easiest in general cases, but i only see that be neccessary in SP..

in multiplayer, when playing NF(No Force, or Uninitiated force level) Sabers[only], it was a breach of conduct to go after someone with a blaster(except for when just fooling around), so you never see much of it. even then, who's going to try and peck you to death with a byrar when your charging at them full tilt swinging a lightsaber..

in other cases, like no force guns, where you've got nothing better so you whip out the lightsaber, first person is foolish as well, because generally they have little trouble circle-strafing and/or hopping around to your back, thus disapearing from your line of sight.

it would always be best to use third person, so you are fully aware of your opponent's location. blocking ability against mulitplayer opponents is usually weak, and to the 10 shots taken at you by blaster or repeater fire, you're likely only to block 2-4 shots.

its with these reasons, and the fact that RAVEN/LEC reccomend that you use thirdperson when wielding a saber, that most probably assume that 3rd person will be best.

Executor32
11-28-2001, 05:02 AM
No need to blow a gasket about it, the poll had no real signifigance. It's not like Raven will see it and decide "Hey, since all those people voted for 3rd person, let's just remove the 1st person option for the saber!".

Oh, and I'm one of those !@#$%^&* who voted for 3rd person, because I found using the saber in JK much easier that way. Especially during duels. :p

acdcfanbill
11-28-2001, 06:10 AM
a poll is just each persons opinion... you dont have to go off on everyone who doesnt agree with you. just have some respect for everyones opinion and all is good...

Vagabond
11-28-2001, 09:18 AM
I'm one of those who voted for first-person sabering. I hope that's okay with everyone :cool:

Millions o' Monkeys
11-28-2001, 09:41 AM
fine by me...but i do prefer 3rd person. It seemes to give you a lot more control over you blows and movement

CaptainRAVE
11-28-2001, 11:06 AM
I prefer 3rd person for lightsaber combat.....not only is it easier because you get a wider view of the combat, but it also looks so much cooler :)

When I use guns though, I always use 1st person :), much more accurate :D

Toa Tahu
11-29-2001, 04:02 AM
Sorry,I was just too angry that day because I didn't play even JK,and I didn't experience sabre in first person,but I played a game in 3rd person,but I don't see how you can be aware of your enemy's position.I always thought that 1st person was cooler because you had that crosshair to aim your gun,and I'd think it'll be almost the same with using the knife in CS.

SSH83
11-29-2001, 04:39 AM
Heh, knifing in CS is NOTHING like a saber duel. Be warned.

Celestial
11-29-2001, 06:16 AM
The first time I play JO, I'm going to turn my speakers up really loud and ignite the lightsaber. Ahhh I'll have to change my underwear after that moment. :D

Vagabond
11-29-2001, 10:58 PM
I like not knowing exactly where everyone is while sabering in first-person. It's more immersive, and forces me to think and predict how my opponents fight - it feels more realistic. And to be quite honest, this technique has served me well.

madrebel
11-30-2001, 12:13 AM
1rst person looks lame, you cant see the swing animation.

also, hehe i like to laugh at people who think sabering in the begining of JK was about skill. in the old days of 14.4-33.6 connects sabering was almost all about getting lucky with the way JK handled net code.

nowadays with the new netcode i think sabering will be very skillful and not just secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire

but yeah 1rst person sabering just felt wrong :)

DeathBoLT
11-30-2001, 12:42 AM
skillful in early JK sabering, no
skillful in middle era and beyond JK sabering, yes

Once you got the hang of how JK sabering lag handled, it became very graceful, albeit totally 'wasd'[movement] based.

you can have an idea of where your opponent is actually located, once you understand how the lag works. when im focusing, there is very little or nil luck at play and only when the lag was totally erratic, could i not see i was going hit my opponent or about to be hit in the midst of manevuring about my opponent.

[ November 29, 2001: Message edited by: DeathBoLT ]

aferens
11-30-2001, 05:03 AM
ROFL

A crosshair for the lightsaber. That's a good one.

bahahahahhaha...

StephenG
11-30-2001, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by madrebel:
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nowadays with the new netcode i think sabering will be very skillful and not just secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire secondary fire
...</STRONG>

secondary fire was the only attack i used in multiplayer.

DeathBoLT
11-30-2001, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by DR-Rendar:
<STRONG>ROFL

A crosshair for the lightsaber. That's a good one.

bahahahahhaha...</STRONG>

i can imagine some use in aid of achieving head shots but.. i never got into Rune to much or other simliar games to actively aim for headshots with a melee weapon so im not a real expert on it.. i don't think the Unreal engine was suited well for sword-fighting type games..

Agen
11-30-2001, 01:18 PM
jk2 has a crosshair in first person and it's supposed to be accurate unlike emmm... elt's see... JK

thrEEpaGe
11-30-2001, 01:21 PM
personally, as an expert gunner in jk (anyone up for some ji o?) and a halfway decent saberist, i dont use first person in jk..at all....


personally, in all fps games i have played (its the standard), the field of view provided by first person isnt sufficient enough to warrant it being 'realistic' with 3rd person, its much easier to see the entire field of view (not to mention look around corners). in nf guns (i never was much of a ff'er, but im sure its this way in there as well), 3rd person ruled.

[ November 30, 2001: Message edited by: thrEEpaGe ]

The_WAH
11-30-2001, 04:00 PM
I'm one of the proud the few and the weird. I used both guns and sabers in 3rd person. I felt it was easier to dodge stuff being thrown at you while shooting back at the same time in 3rd person. Though on a few rare days I did switch to 1st person.

Zekk Dawkins
11-30-2001, 08:14 PM
READ

If you look at the picture of Kyle leaning over a dead rodian, you CAN see croshairs in the third person lightsaber view.

Millions o' Monkeys
11-30-2001, 08:28 PM
i dint quite get that though...that would be excellent for gunners who want to play 3rd person but it really is a tad useless for sabers

Or maby LEC and Raven have decided to move the game mainly into the 3rd person perspective

Agen
11-30-2001, 08:37 PM
In jk they chucked the cross ahir in 3rd person because it jsut woudln't work with the lgihtsaber.

StormHammer
12-01-2001, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by Millions o' Monkeys:
...that would be excellent for gunners who want to play 3rd person but it really is a tad useless for sabers

Also keep in mind that there should be locational damage courtesy of the GHOUL 2 tech. So if you want to surgically slice off an arm, or leg, that crosshair would come in handy. I believe I read somewhere that a head-shot is also more likely to mean a quick kill...so a crosshair for the saber would make sense in that context. ;)

Kwup
12-01-2001, 02:26 AM
a syndrome of JK was the 2nd function saber button, if you look all the way up the saber would hardly go up from the normal position, if you looked down the saber didn't go all the way down with you. This bothered me, as I couldn't aim well, but hopefully it will be fixed in JK2.

why did I bring this up? well assuming it is fixed, the crosshair would be very sweet in helping to determine where your shot would go.

Toa Tahu
12-04-2001, 02:27 AM
I heard from somewhere in this forum that someone said about 3rd-Person crosshair.How would it work with the lightsaber?
P.S.:The lightsaber and crosshair looks cool!:D

oops...lools like I double-poster...mods can delete the previous post...

Emon1
12-04-2001, 02:29 AM
People prefer 3rd person for melee combat because you have more periphreial vision. You can see if there's a saber or sword coming from behind you, and you can jump out of the way.

Not something to get all pissy over....

And for the LAST !@#$%^& time, IN STAR WARS: JEDI KNIGHT II: JEDI OUTCAST, YOU ARE ABLE TO PLAY THE ENTIRE GAME IN FIRST ***OR*** THIRD PERSON VIEW!

How many times do I have to say this! SHEESH!

ZeroXcape
12-04-2001, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Toa Tahu
Who were those !@#$%^&* who voted for third person during lightsabre duels?I always thought first person was much better?! :mad: :mad:

Probably myself and everyone I know. The third person allows you to see everything around you and control your saber while it is outside the field of view. If you don't believe me... I'll load up JK and teach you a few things about how lightsabers work :syoda: