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Lucky
11-17-2001, 06:46 PM
omg omg omg.


This may seem like a very ridiculous concern to a lot of you, but for the last 6 months I've been drawing a reticle on my monitor to play guns in JK in 3rd person.

The fact that raven has actually included a *bites fist pathetically/convulses* 3rd person reticle! is making my timbers shivers.

I just hope that that lil dot isn't in place soley for the lightsaber. For those of us who much prefer to play the game in 3rd person unless we're inspecting some exquisitely textured surface on some dead rodian very closely, please raven, keep that lil dot all thru out 3rd person. Yeeehaw!!


Lucky

StormHammer
11-17-2001, 07:05 PM
Hmmm...yes, I do think that crosshair is for aiming your Force powers and lightsaber.

I've yet to see Kyle in 3rd person with any other weapon in his hand bar the lightsaber, and judging by the information at the new web site, I'm beginning to think you might not be able to just switch between 1st and 3rd person after all. I think it will be an auto-switch to 3rd person for lightsaber only...and that would be very disappointing for me.

One of the great things about JK was the ability to play the whole game either in 1st person, or 3rd person, or a combination of the two. If that choice is taken away, then I think some of the replay value will be taken away with it.

I have a very bad feeling about this.

TrUeFoRcE
11-17-2001, 07:32 PM
i agree with you hammer, the way it looks u will only be in 3rd person with ur light saber, i too liked the ability to switch from first to third..

things like that are the main reason why i wanted to start a mod team for outcast, giving people some options that raven has left out, but it seems i cant get anyone who wants to help me with that at the moment.

StormHammer
11-17-2001, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by TrUeFoRcE:
...things like that are the main reason why i wanted to start a mod team for outcast, giving people some options that raven has left out, but it seems i cant get anyone who wants to help me with that at the moment.

I think the problem at the moment is that no one is really sure about what the final release will contain, so it's hard to nail down what needs to be done in a mod.

I'm sure you'll get more responses the closer we get to release. ;)

Lucky
11-17-2001, 08:48 PM
pfft, you can easily switch to 3rd person with the quake command prompt, so thats not even an issue. having a reticle to use when you do is, lol.


Lucky

Agen
11-17-2001, 08:50 PM
Well if it aint lucky. U post 1nce on a blue moon

[ November 17, 2001: Message edited by: Agen_Terminator ]

StormHammer
11-17-2001, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Lucky:
pfft, you can easily switch to 3rd person with the quake command prompt, so thats not even an issue. having a reticle to use when you do is, lol.

Er, I think I'd have to disagree with you there. In JK, you saw each weapon you were holding in 3rd person, plus you had some different animations of the character in 3rd person - like firing a bowcaster, concussion rifle, and throwing a TD. You also saw yourself swimming, jumping, falling off ledges...all had their own animations.

It's one thing to animate Kyle with a lightsaber and using Force powers - it's another just to show him firing a different weapon, and it's possible effects, like kick-back etc.

So it all comes down to whether they've implemented some good - or just average - animation for each of these events. Most of the bots I've seen in Q3, for example, were not very well animated, IMHO.

LilDrumLad
11-17-2001, 09:14 PM
Those things will all have to be animated for multiplayer anyways.

TrUeFoRcE
11-17-2001, 09:16 PM
kyle already has all the 3rd person animations such as firing a gun etc, think bout when ur in multiplayer and u see kyle firing at u, the animations are already there, its the position of the camera that might not be there when ur shooting

StormHammer
11-17-2001, 09:27 PM
Yes, I know many of the animations are already there. :rolleyes:

My argument is that they might not be as good as they could be if they are not developed and tweaked to look good in SP. :) After all, in MP, you are usually running around at the speed of light trying not to get killed...so you might not notice lower quality animations.

And as you said, it might not be tweaked for the 3rd person camera view.

LilDrumLad
11-17-2001, 09:30 PM
Sounds possible, I see what you're saying. I just tend to doubt it. I would be surprised if 3rd person isn't available at all times, anyways.

Rancor
11-17-2001, 10:14 PM
from StormHammer: So it all comes down to whether they've implemented some good - or just average - animation for each of these events. Most of the bots I've seen in Q3, for example, were not very well animated, IMHO.


The Quake3 "animation" system was mostly changed to a partial skeletal based system for EF. With the advent of Ghoul2, the animation system is now full skeletal. Also Quake3 uses three separate models, head, torso, and legs. As you'll note, JK2 models are one piece smooth skinned. Finally, Quake3 animations were mostly done by Paul Steed--he's not a very good animator/modeler. I seem to remember someone saying that JK2 would use motion-capture for their animations. All-in-all, I'm not too worried about it.

Anyway, back to the topic, with the Quake3 engine, you can force key bindings directly on the console, so even if the game doesn't directly allow you to switch between first and third person, you can probably very easily make it do that.

Omedarcus
11-17-2001, 11:00 PM
I really hope they put the crosshair in 3rd person. I played Heretic II ( a really awesome 3rd person game by Raven) a lot and am hoping that Jedi Knight II is similar. Heretic II's 3rd person was so awesome that I can't even begin to describe it. Heretic II had the crosshair in 3rd person since the game was just 3rd person. There were of course weapons that shot stuff and it was easy since there was a crosshair in 3rd person. It also had a neat feature of moving the camera around so you can look at yourself and you could even customize how far away it was and how stiff the camera would be.
Finally the best part of Heretic II was the blade! Basically it was a knife at the end of a long stick, but it acted as a sword. Blade only gameplay was very popular and very very fun.

So I am really hoping Raven will make Jedi Knight II exactly like Heretic II was.

If anyone is gonna go to the chat, ask Raven about this stuff! :D

[ November 17, 2001: Message edited by: Omedarcus ]

bsbuckeye21
11-17-2001, 11:38 PM
Wow, that new site sure is pulling in a lotta new members!

Welcome, Omedarcus!

/me hands Omedarcus complimentary JK2.net fruit basket with a card signed by the JK2.net staff (not me :))

Jhedrick008
11-18-2001, 07:21 AM
Actually, the site says you will have 1st and 3rd person options, not just for lightsabers :)

Happy hunting.

CaptainRAVE
11-18-2001, 09:44 AM
The reticle and the shadow were the forst things i noticed. Also the size of the levels. I think its a really cool touch having 3rd person reticle. I really like the idea of being able to have the lightsaber on stand-by mode. The cool thing about this game is that there are no other games like it :)

StormHammer
11-18-2001, 12:43 PM
Rancor...yeah, I guess you're right.

I think I disengaged my brain on that last post. Excuse me for rambling. :D

DeathBoLT
11-18-2001, 03:31 PM
DS9: The Fallen(I think) sported a reticle in third person.. made dancing around opponents while accurately picking them off MUCH MUCH easier. :)

im happy to hear that JO will be sporting the same feature :)

ed_silvergun
11-18-2001, 04:17 PM
As far as I remember, before JK was released, no mention was made of the fact that you could switch between 1st and 3rd person perspective manually without using the saber. All that was said was "a 3rd person mode will be supported for saber combat". So I wouldn't get too worried just yet.

Lucky
11-18-2001, 11:49 PM
just so long as i don't have to draw a g'damn dot on my monitor anymore =P I had to move from alaska to orlando for school, and didn't bother reconfiguring my account for new computer till like yesterday, been lurking tho.


Lucky

Frosty_V2.1
11-19-2001, 04:57 AM
Check out the latest screen shots, the pic of the week shows the reticle I think...

Toa Tahu
11-19-2001, 05:05 AM
Aah,I hate it when they put third person for lightsaber.It should be First-Person!And,there will only be a crosshair for FP.

acdcfanbill
11-19-2001, 06:02 AM
how come you dislike 3rd person pov so much? i think it really adds to the lighsabe battles, and is much easier to fight in... if you dont like it, just dont use it, dont say that it shouldnt be in there, many people like it...

Lord_FinnSon
11-19-2001, 03:39 PM
Owners of Elite Force might wanna check out how game plays overally in 3rd person. You have to first open up the console by typing ~ and then "sv_cheats 1" to activate cheat mode. After that "cg_thirdperson 1". One thing that you will notice immediately after change is that stances need to be tweaked a little bit for this view and shooting without reticle is much harder; you might not really need it for dueling one-on-one(even though it helps you to achieve much more accurate hit) in close range, but when throwing saber, for example, you need to control very precisely where it's going through the air. Hopefully you can choose different reticles of your own taste from the menu like in EF and SOF. :D

CaptainRAVE
11-19-2001, 04:45 PM
Yes, but Elite Force wasnt designed for 3rd person view. Jk2 will, and people who DONT like it can still play first person, so i dont really wee why they should be bothered anyway. In my opinion, for lightsaber combat I think it will be much better, especially visually :)

StormHammer
11-19-2001, 05:13 PM
FinnSon...

You wouldn't happen to have a full list of console commands for EF hanging around somewhere that you could mail me? I'd appreciate it. ;)

Lord_FinnSon
11-20-2001, 07:49 PM
I have few of them, but you might wanna check Happy Puppy (http://www.happypuppy.com/win/cheats/startrekef%2Dwin%2D1.html) for much bigger list. :D

StormHammer
11-20-2001, 08:27 PM
Thanks very much, FinnSon. ;)