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DIK_Rage
06-04-2001, 12:02 AM
with the talk I've been hearing about JK2 being all quake-like and being on "servers", I guess it won't be on the zone? :confused:

Kwup
06-04-2001, 12:03 AM
I sure as hell hope it isn't on the zone, if it is, well there goes another great game :mad:

Red_XIIII
06-04-2001, 12:20 AM
I hope it has an ingame IM and Fourm mutch like Tribes 2 These are Musts if it is to have good clan support, its either this or have support on the zone.
I am one that dosn't like gamespy3d or arcade (arcade really sux now that they have incorparated FULL SCREEN ADS!)

Kwup
06-04-2001, 12:25 AM
Forums in Tribes 2 are useless, just newbie spam.

Chat is...well..chat, only thing that could make it better really is vchat :D.

News is good I guess.

I like the idea of choosing your skin/voice before joining a game, it makes it so much easier.

E-mail is nice....but regular e-mail is just as good, an IM feature would be better.

Ah...Browser...the real shining relic of Tribes 2. I think it is a 100% absolute must in JK2, but I guess that is up to Lucasarts if they want to run a central server like that or not (rather costly I'd say).

magnus
06-04-2001, 12:32 AM
I think the design of the forums in Tribes 2 is a great solution... although filled with "newbie spam" like Kwup said, it can be pretty amusing, as well as a mood booster :)

SithTexasDeath
06-04-2001, 12:38 AM
Dude Use Gamespy arcade. Everyone should use GSA its better. When Jk2 comes out im sure it will be on GSa just have to wait. :p

Kwup
06-04-2001, 12:39 AM
I'm not paying money to use some **** like that

runab0ut
06-04-2001, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by Kwup:
<STRONG>I sure as hell hope it isn't on the zone, if it is, well there goes another great game :mad:</STRONG>

true!

in a matter of fact... i'm pretty sure that JK2 as a Q3A engined product will have dedicated/listen servers as a method of playing online rather than joining the ZONE for its hosting for the game.... either way... having the zone as kind of a WON-a-like wouldnt hurt.

digl
06-04-2001, 03:23 AM
I hope it has nothing to do with the Zone

Caradoc
06-04-2001, 07:02 AM
Well... I have had some really good experence with the Zone. Yes, You can only have 4 ppl in a game enless you use IP. Allso, Ever sence ZF its just got worce(lag). With JK you cant use severs...Not the Zone's falt. Allso im glad that there are sysops to keep the BS down. I have had some really good times online because of the Zone. Who would have played JK more than 4mon if not for the Zone or had as many friends? We all would like to have servers. And looks like we will get them ... grate! Im all for it. But the Zone was a grate place to have with the game. I will miss having it in JKO.

ZeroXcape
06-04-2001, 07:05 AM
If it is in any way, shape, or form related to the zone... ugh. At least we know it won't be.

Red_XIIII: The Tribes 2 feaures are really just a waste. Clans surive with or without ingame communication features. In fact, most clans are stronger when they have their own sites, meeting times, practices, newsgroups, etc that are outside of the game. It makes for a more well-rounded clan member.

ReAcToR
06-04-2001, 07:26 AM
I could care less as to whether or not JKII will be playable over the Zone. I just know that I won't be playing there, and anyone else who has had experience with modern-day games, probably won't either. If you want to chat, head to mIRC or Gamespy Arcade. The Zone is about the worst place to play games online, period. I wouldn't play JK there, if the entire Gamespy Arcade JK community weren't so newbish(they all think I use cogs).

I will be chatting in #JediKnight on mIRC - irc.enterthegame.com and playing on private servers and Gamespy.

Archie
06-04-2001, 07:37 AM
Just a question, but do we really expect clans for JKII. They're rare enough in Q3, you expect them in an even more single-played biased game?

Caradoc
06-04-2001, 07:56 AM
Anyone hear play the IP games from the JKMAG page? It was the only outher place than the Zone I played. Im up for a new way for sure...But y all the hostility for the Zone? It is free. The only game iv played were you really get to konw the outher ppl playing. I have played CS for a long time and I have never got to know anyone well. Thats what ill miss. Not the Zone. It's just a page on the net, No bigy. This game is going to be HUGE! Having somthing to bring it all (players,clans,mods,mapers) togeather would be nice. Maby we could (all of us) Come up with somthing new . An idea that has not found its way into a game yet. Somthing to set JKO one up on the rest. With the 300 diferent news pages and 12,000 servers.

[ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: Caradoc ]

GonkH8er
06-04-2001, 08:28 AM
Look at jediknight. Every time I go on the zone *cringe* I see pretty much most of the people in clans. Heck, I still use my old clan's tag.

I think people want to enjoy star wars as a group of people with a common love for lucas's creations. We know we can all relate to eachother.

With quake 3, you just get a bunch of people jump on a server and blow eachother to bits. No deeper meaning to quake 3. Just a deathmatch.

Star wars is so much more than that. It has stories, adventures, and a fighting style other than the standard 'point and shoot'. It has saber fighting. :D

My old clan mates and I, we had HEAPS of fun. Even though we didnt play many team games, just uniting under 1 name and getting to know these guys who liked whacking people with fuzzy light sticks as much as you was a real experience.

I think clans will be a rather large part of jk2 online.


Thats just my view anyway :)

runab0ut
06-04-2001, 08:34 AM
if people would'nt want to use the zone... just play the bots, which is a feature for the Q3A engine.

offline play is readily available. :D

Kwup
06-04-2001, 11:32 AM
If you think the zone is good, you are DEAD wrong!

Sysops - Well, in real games we have bots. They are automated programs that will kick people who refuse and abuse the rules. G from UT and Shazbot from Tribes 2 are perfect examples.

4 Players- ever play JK with 16 players? It OWNS! by having only 4 allowable players the zone is proving it's own stupidity. :rolleyes:

Dedicated servers are SOO much better, anyone who hasn't used them are missing out. Lag is sparse, many people can play, and admins can change almost anything in the game, including kicking and BANNING people.

ReAcToR
06-04-2001, 11:40 AM
Just a question, but do we really expect clans for JKII. They're rare enough in Q3, you expect them in an even more single-played biased game?

You can expect clans to be in any online multiplayer game. Clans rare in Q3? There are hundreds, if not thousands of Q3 clans. There are already tons of JK clans planning to expand to JKII. Mine is one of them.

But y all the hostility for the Zone?

I can't speak for everyone, but personally I seriously dislike the Zone. Sure, you have a chatroom where you can chat amongst other players, but you can find that on mIRC, Gamespy Arcade or just about any other program in the world. I've been banned multiple times for doing nothing other than posting links. The day Gamespy Arcade came out, I was banned from the Zone for a week for just posting a link to it(The Gamespy Arcade programmers found this to be hilarious BTW, when I told them about it - One of them decided to come post the link with me when my ban was over). Same thing happened back in 1999 when I posted a link to QTracker. I was muted a few days ago for helping a newbie, by giving him a link to Spork. I think that people are capable of doing/saying whatever they want, and if the Zone would simply make a better "chat-filter" we wouldn't have to see kiddies on a power-trip banning us every 5 seconds. I don't know what it is about the people who run the Zone, and their ethics, but I don't want someone who doesn't even know me, banning me for no logical reason and telling me what I can and can't say. I live in the USA, not China for crying out loud.

With quake 3, you just get a bunch of people jump on a server and blow eachother to bits. No deeper meaning to quake 3. Just a deathmatch.

I resent that. :)

My clan(NDS), started off as a Q2 CTF clan back in 1998 and we were about as deep as it gets. You don't need a deep SP storyline to have a good MP game. Alot of the people that play games could care less about the storyline anyways. You blow eachother to bits in every FPS game, it's what we play for. A clan is as deep as you make it. A game is just the terrain in which your clan does battle. The Quake series is a very hardcore game, and as far as teamplay goes, it's far superior to JK/MotS, as are most games of today. I just hope that JKII will have teamplay that is even half as good.

if people would'nt want to use the zone... just play the bots, which is a feature for the Q3A engine.

You can rest assured that the Zone won't be the only place to play JKII. At least, and I think I can speak for 99% of us, we hope not.

GonkH8er
06-04-2001, 11:49 AM
reactor- i wasnt saying that you need a good sp storyline for good mp. i was just saying that you dont play quake 3 to feel part of the quake universe...

some people do with star wars :)

DIK_Rage
06-04-2001, 07:57 PM
screw that of course zone is a piece of ****, and I've played every new game out today, and I hate every single one of their multiplayer communities. I currently play t2 and I love it, pubbing is alright, but kickin it on the zone, talkin ****, then takin to the game, kicking ass, come out, and talking even MORE **** was what made mots/JK so much fun. the idea of it NOT being hosted by zone is very lame. if people want quake bull**** let them go play quake on gay "servers" using gay programs like gamespy or whatever.

CaptainRAVE
06-04-2001, 08:03 PM
It SUCKS! LOL

DrIfTeR
06-04-2001, 08:08 PM
I have recinded or whatever this post because i dont want anyone else to know it.

[ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: DrIfTeR ]

Red_XIIII
06-04-2001, 08:11 PM
the zone sux ingame server searches sux like in quake gamespy arcade and 3d sux, yes they all sux, even the nice ingame Tribes2 one sux, they all have flaws but if i was force bewteen what ones to use for my game i was going to release it would be a combo of in gameserver and zone + also arcade support the zone is a great place for community arcade is just faster at refreshing servers and also has an IM and ingame for after u finshed a SP lvl and just want to find a quick game without going back to the desktop, alto of current games support all three, its a good concept.

Kwup
06-04-2001, 08:12 PM
?!? tell me what is wrong with the Tribes 2 in-game servers?

Red_XIIII
06-04-2001, 08:14 PM
i din't say theres nothing wrong with it, it lacks Im and a File transfer progy, it does refresh at half the rate it would on gamespy arcade tho, if your on 56k its a long wait.

Kwup
06-04-2001, 08:17 PM
hmm...no IM isn't a problem for me, you can just start up a new chat room with the person your talking to. But ther servers DO refresh very slowly....wonder if that could ever be fixed

SithTexasDeath
06-04-2001, 08:22 PM
Kwup GsA Is FREE! poo doo!
If you register it its 20 bucks

Kwup
06-04-2001, 08:23 PM
still sucks ;)

and how old do you have to be to still be allowed to say "poo doo"? :confused:

DIK_Rage
06-04-2001, 09:58 PM
the community is what its all about, playing on servers with random people, or even playing on 1 server consistantly with a few "regulars" is lame, it gets old. on zone its ONE community, mostly everybody who plays the game plays it there, its 100x better than any other type multiplayer community out there. besides I'm sure zone will keep with the times and make it go up to more than 4players, but even so, I don't want a lame ass 32 player game, if the levels/maps are big I'll be happy with 6 to 8.

Kwup
06-05-2001, 12:25 AM
I guess it does depend on how the game sells. The reason the MotS community was so tight is because for 2 years there have never really been over 140 or so people at peak times. In tribes 2 there are what? 60,000? If the game is as popular as Tribes 2 then the zone may not even be able to support JK2.

ReAcToR
06-05-2001, 01:59 AM
the community is what its all about

The community is only part of what it is all about. People should be able to play where they want. If you want to play on the Zone, you should have that option. If I want to play on Gamespy and chat in #JediKnight, I should have that option.

its 100x better than any other type multiplayer community out there.

There are alot of people that would dispute that. Considering that the majority of gamers don't play Jedi Knight, I would guess that the majority of people would dispute that. Myself, I've always been more impressed by the EverQuest community. I find that 99% of the Zoners are just 12 year olds who do nothing but flood and download cogs. I play in private games usually, to avoide the common trash.

I don't want a lame ass 32 player game

What is so lame about having 32 people involved in some hardcore gaming all at the same time, all on one server? I think it makes for an interesting situation.

if the levels/maps are big I'll be happy with 6 to 8.

That's fine, but realize that alot of people want more than 6-8 players. I for one would be dissapointed if the game didn't allow 5v5 and 2 scectators to record demo's for teamplay modes. Giving the server-owners the ability to change the number of players to as few or as many as they want, seems like a good idea to me. Having less than 32 players, is simply going back in time.

[ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: ReAcToR ]

COWB0Y
06-05-2001, 09:08 AM
haha preach on brother rage, whats the fun in online gaming if you dont get to know the people you are gaming with... and if you don't know the people you are gaming with that takes all the fun out of talking trash.

Kwup
06-05-2001, 03:12 PM
/me thinks DIK is just afraid that another clan will come along and own them in JK2.

OK, so maybe I'm abit jealous, but it seems that there are like 2 active DIK's


btw. I saw NiCo in #tsn on irc.dynamix.com
I wonder what it feels like for him to not be the premier gamer in the chat room :p

Bartolo_JCS
06-05-2001, 03:20 PM
use IRC.......

Andrewfus
06-05-2001, 07:02 PM
Here is my problem with the zone. every time i visit there, i see the same tourettes cases in the rooms cussing people out and generally trolling. one time, 2 guys were posting links, saying they were to a new fan made level, but were actually links to a gay porn picture with infinate pop ups. now, i like jokes as well as the next guy, but i have a 11 year old brother that likes to play jedi knight too. and i DO NOT want him seeing such crap. hell, im 26 and I DONT want to see that kind of crap!! maybe with dedicated servers, people who do that kind of crap will be perminately banned. great incentive to not pull that kind of garbage.

i like the idea of more control in banning people from the server for gross misconduct. i dont mean for small things, like heated arguments.. i mean, stuff happens, but when people blatently breaking major rules like i mentioned above. chat blocks.. im all for. my hope is for jediknight 2 servers to be places for only jediknight 2 related stuff, and people will be at least civil out of fear of eternal banishment to the zone.. thats enough incentive for me to be nice!!!!!!

Wilhuf
06-05-2001, 07:10 PM
Yep, time to face the music. The JKO move to dedicated servers marks the end of the Zone Troll.

CaptainRAVE
06-05-2001, 07:17 PM
So lets sum up this thread.......the zone sux!! :)

DIK_Rage
06-05-2001, 08:18 PM
Reactor, basically, what you are saying is, you want to play quake with a saber.
screwwwwwwww that, I hope to hell that JK2 doesn't become as popular as tribse 2. like Kwup said, in mots, when it was at its peak, we had 100+ people, the community was tight, anybody who was anybody knew who each other was, if you were enemies or friends, whatever.

and the 32 player game bs goes back to the "quake with a saber" deal, I'm sorry but if I wanna be fighting against 31 people at once maybe I'll think about playing quake 3 or UT. but both them games SUCK ass.

and kwup, who are you? and I frequent irc.dynamix.com #TsN, I'm there everyday.

as for you wilhuf, [no no, that just won't do - Jeff'W]

In my opinion, the idea of JK2 being based on the Q3 engine is totally lame, and a HUGE disappointment, I'm remaining skeptical as to whether or not the game will be good, though. but all these characteristics are from quake, which is pretty much why I don't like any of em, the zone issue is another one, probably to me the biggest issue.

oops I rambled, oh well.

[ June 05, 2001: Message edited by: Jeff Walters ]

wardz
06-05-2001, 08:37 PM
Most other sensible people would like his input, and often ask it..

wardz

Kwup
06-05-2001, 09:09 PM
I'm Kwup :)


I really only go to #tsn for matches and for pranks, so basically just for the shoutcasting

Wilhuf
06-05-2001, 10:27 PM
Rage you should have warned the jkii.net staff that my input was not wanted before they made me a forum moderator.

Anyway, you know the drill rage, keep the perosonal attacks to yourself.

ed_silvergun
06-05-2001, 10:38 PM
Stuff like that is not tolerable round here, Rage. Nobody's opinion is "not wanted". Everyone has a right to state his opinion (so long as it is not offensive) regardless of whether or not you happen to agree with it.

matt--
06-05-2001, 10:45 PM
Rage...If your going to post like that, then your input is unwanted.

Wilhuf, When did you become a moderator?
And Congrats!

DIK_Rage
06-05-2001, 11:02 PM
[give it a rest - Jeff`W]

[ June 05, 2001: Message edited by: Jeff Walters ]

DrIfTeR
06-05-2001, 11:08 PM
Must be nobodys if you guys dont know who DIK is,you dont mess with the DIK,so if i were you guys i shut it before something very bad happens.


"Save the Concussion Rifles!"
http://Drifterspad.homestead.com/files/conc.gif

DIK_Rage
06-05-2001, 11:08 PM
oh I forgot to mention, and ya ya I know nobody will care or believe it since it's coming from somebody's who is on their way to being banned...

FYI:
wilhuf stalked some girl on the zone, for what a year or two? used to write her long ass love letters keep bothering her and wouldn't leave her alone, she used to argue with him to leave her alone and he'd keep bothering her and bothering her and wouldn't stop. unfortunately the girl herself wasn't too bright or sane, so she never took any actions on it. so theres your "respectable" wilhuf mr. big moderator.

COWB0Y
06-05-2001, 11:09 PM
/me thinks you need to play NiCo at Tribes before you decide he isn't the premier gamer in the room. Wilhuf is a netstalker, thats not a personal attack, just the truth from a friend of mine whom he made very uncomfortable on the zone.

matt--
06-05-2001, 11:17 PM
Well I hate to say it.
Even though you sound rude, netstalker isn't a very respectable title.

Grand Admiral
06-05-2001, 11:22 PM
matt-windu if i were you wouldnt mess with cowboy.

"Save the Concussion Rifles!"
http://Drifterspad.homestead.com/files/conc.gif

Caradoc
06-06-2001, 12:14 AM
And you ppl say the Zone is bad?...just look at your posts. Id say you have no room to talk.

I meen really...It sounds like the ladder room in hear!

[ June 05, 2001: Message edited by: Caradoc ]

Kwup
06-06-2001, 12:22 AM
http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/argue.gif

c'mon now....I think we may be getting a bit too crucial here. If you think what rage said was vulger you haven't seen him pissed ;)

but anyways, the filtered words, the strict moderators...it's all gotta go. We gotta relax, just follow the smiley... http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/bandit.gif

Jeff Walters
06-06-2001, 12:46 AM
No personal attacks please.

weEJa
06-06-2001, 01:53 AM
kwup, 4 players in JK is great... games like Rainbow 6 have up to 16 on zone...but a 16 player JK game is retarded. 4 players is good...and zone is the best i love it. Zone messanger just kicks super ass, and plus you know every1 on zone

ReAcToR
06-06-2001, 02:15 AM
Reactor, basically, what you are saying is, you want to play quake with a saber.

I have no idea why you would assume that, so I won't respond until I hear an explanation.

like Kwup said, in mots, when it was at its peak, we had 100+ people, the community was tight, anybody who was anybody knew who each other was, if you were enemies or friends, whatever.

What is it about the concept of alternative communities other than the Zone that you don't understand? You can have a "tight" community, and you may be able to even have one on the Zone, but if not, there are MANY MANY MANY alternatives. I happen to be in a "tight" community of JK players in #JediKnight on ETG. The difference is, now we will be able to CHOOSE our community, instead of being forced onto the Zone, because that's where almost everyone plays.

and the 32 player game bs goes back to the "quake with a saber" deal, I'm sorry but if I wanna be fighting against 31 people at once maybe I'll think about playing quake 3 or UT. but both them games SUCK ass.

Saying that something sucks is a matter of opinion. Considering that the UT and Q3 communities are much larger than the JK/MotS community, I would say that the majority of people disagree with you. You don't HAVE to play with 32+ people, it all depends on the servers settings. The server COULD set it to 4 or whatever else he/she wanted to do. Why do you feel that people should be forced to play like you play? Freedom is what the majority of people want with games and gaming communities, it's just a fact.

I fail to see the importance of the Zone argument. There are plenty of suitable alternatives, 99% of which are better. The Zone is very limited and I wouldn't be caught dead there if there wasn't such a huge JK community there.

/me thinks you need to play NiCo at Tribes before you decide he isn't the premier gamer in the room. Wilhuf is a netstalker, thats not a personal attack, just the truth from a friend of mine whom he made very uncomfortable on the zone.

How about we stay on the topic and not change the subject when your side is losing the argument?

And you ppl say the Zone is bad?...just look at your posts. Id say you have no room to talk.

Actually Caradoc, the ones who are posting flames ARE the ones from the Zone. Now do you see what we've been talking about?

Must be nobodys if you guys dont know who DIK is,you dont mess with the DIK,so if i were you guys i shut it before something very bad happens.

I'm trembling. I don't think I can live now that I know there are skilled MotS players that are after us. I'm thinking about getting into the Witness Protection Program.

This topic is beginning to bore me, especially because of the weak arguments being presented by the opposing side. If the opposing arguments don't begin to show some sign of logic, I will stop bothering with this thread.

Sarge
06-06-2001, 02:26 AM
You know, I can't tolerate DIK. If he continues to make havoc in this forum then so be it, I trust Jeff Walters will deal with him. But I have one thing to say to you DIk, we at the JK2 forums will not tolerate being bashed by some retard that can't get along with anyone. I don't mind if you stay as long as you shape up. SO GET A GRIP!

Sarge

DIK_Rage
06-06-2001, 02:34 AM
pst, nobody asked you to reply or really cares whether or not you reply. the point of this thread was to find out out if anyone knew whether or not JK2 would be hosted by zone.

32players, "servers", using irc as the community, quake3 engine....... mixed with JK you get Quake with a Saber.

you talk as if you're somebody of great importance, why don't you quit the condascending bull**** and talk straight like everybody else has been doing.

the reason I prefered mots/jk over UT/Quake/whatever, was because of the community, zone was all I ever knew for JK/mots, didn't really know there was alternatives, and really, I don't WANT to know about them, I LIKE the idea of the zone being the MAIN community. all this was a response to the replies saying "zone sucks" or whatever.

Sarge
06-06-2001, 03:44 AM
Then stick to the point of the thread.

DrIfTeR
06-06-2001, 03:44 AM
Hmmn i agree the zone was great,i dont like to play in 32 player games but four is too small still if it is hosted by the zone maybe theyll put 16 or somethin,or selecting how many you want,the only good games that support 32 that play fun is tribes 2 since you need alot of people,except the fact that 5150 act like asses sometimes.


"Save the Concussion Rifles!"
http://Drifterspad.homestead.com/files/conc.gif

COWB0Y
06-06-2001, 04:52 AM
reactor, i wasnt aware i was arguing with you, i was simply responding to an earlier message.

please read the forum posts before responding to individual posts ok.

PennyO
06-06-2001, 05:55 AM
Ok, before I say anything... I expect to not be flamed by some homo just for disagreeing with him.

Anyway... I agree with Rage as far as the community aspect of it is concerned. It wasnt necisarily the fact of not being able to play with a bunch of people at one time. Or the tightness of the community just because it was small. Its the fact of the way the community operates compared to a larger scale game community (e.g. UT or Q3). As stated before... its the chatting, finding an opponant, clanning, etc. etc. that are not the same in bigger scale games. You just join a 'good ping' server, start playing. Win-Lose... it doesnt matter. Chatting in game rarely ever passes "gg" after its over. Its almost hard to explain. The flare of the community... clans, clansites... people you see everyday. It just doesnt operate the same. And thats what us 'zoners' are arguing against Q3 type of games.

ReAcToR
06-06-2001, 12:13 PM
32players, "servers", using irc as the community, quake3 engine....... mixed with JK you get Quake with a Saber.

Does this apply for all games that aren't playable over the Zone? If every game that allows 32 players is Quake-like we are all in for an unlimited amount of Quake-like games. 32+ players is the way things are going, you either live with it, or play JK/MotS for the rest of your life. I tend to see that allowing people the freedom to choose how many people can come into their servers, would be the logical way. Obviously modern-day game developers and thousands of gamers do as well. If you want to play with 8 players, join a server that only allows 8 people. What is so difficult about that? If you want to play on the Zone, play on the Zone. I still fail to see what the big issue it. I don't see anyone saying that JK2 won't be playable over the Zone, the majority of people are just stating their dislike about the Zone, and that they wouldn't play there. In new games, places like Mplayer and the Zone are considered newbie hangouts because of the limitations to the software, over-bearing sysops, the fact that its owned by Microsoft and because the software is so newbie-friendly, thus newbies go there for ease of use.

the reason I prefered mots/jk over UT/Quake/whatever, was because of the community, zone was all I ever knew for JK/mots, didn't really know there was alternatives, and really, I don't WANT to know about them, I LIKE the idea of the zone being the MAIN community. all this was a response to the replies saying "zone sucks" or whatever.

You've said this all 100 times already. I think that we all get your point, but we disagree. Alot of us dislike the Zone and it's community. Just because YOU want the zone to be the primary place to play JK2, doesn't mean that EVERYONE does. Think of the community and not just yourself. You will probably get your Zone, but no, it won't be like it was with JK/MotS, because this isn't going to be JK/MotS. Change can sometimes be good, and I believe that this is one time when it is indeed good.

reactor, i wasnt aware i was arguing with you, i was simply responding to an earlier message.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just politely asking you and everyone else to stick with the subject, and to refrain from attacking people. This thread/forum isn't the place to discuss whether or not there is a stalker amongst us. Those types of things should be taken care of in private. When I used the word "argument" in response to your quote, I meant to say "discussion." My apologies for the misunderstanding.

please read the forum posts before responding to individual posts ok.

I've read every post on this thread and most of the posts in every other somewhat interesting threads. :)

Chatting in game rarely ever passes "gg" after its over. Its almost hard to explain. The flare of the community... clans, clansites... people you see everyday. It just doesnt operate the same. And thats what us 'zoners' are arguing against Q3 type of games.

I totally understand the point that you folks are making, but I for one disagree. There are communites inside of communities in most games. The way that you see the community may not be the way that everyone else does. I happen to think that the Quake communities are pretty tight in their own respect. Especially amongst the top players. You're right though, it doesn't operate the same. The thing is, alot of us think that it operates better. I like the idea of dedicated servers and the idea of not having to join little game/chat-rooms to get a game going. I'm more for playing than chatting. I don't have much time to chat because of my busy lifestyle, but when I do, I prefer to do it in #JediKnight with my tight community of friends. Everyone has their own idea of the community that they would like to see, but having the zone as a primary JK2 community, is just a step back in time. Games should progress, not vice versa.

Wilhuf
06-06-2001, 12:55 PM
The future JKO community will be just as tight as with JK/MotS. It'll be even better. Zone trash will be left behind.

The Zone might not be the automatic first choice of location for the JKO community. JKO will probably have some sort of chat lobby, so we'll still have a place for community (e.g., Tribes IRC).

Even if JKO doesn't ship with a chat lobby, we'll still be able to use other chat clients, such as mIRC. We'll able to create our own chat channels, and host and administer our own game servers.

Some channels will host skilled players who have something interesting and fun to say about the game. Some channels won't.

Even the trolls can create their own channels: they'll still be able to wallow in their own pits, coughing up sophmoric lies (as rage has done here) for the usual simpleminded self-entertainment. And, just like on the Zone, the trolls can flood their channels like an overloaded sewer main.

The upside is, we won't have to smell it.

ed_silvergun
06-06-2001, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by DIK_RAGE:
<STRONG>wilhuf stalked some girl on the zone, for what a year or two? used to write her long ass love letters keep bothering her and wouldn't leave her alone, she used to argue with him to leave her alone and he'd keep bothering her and bothering her and wouldn't stop. unfortunately the girl herself wasn't too bright or sane</STRONG>

So lacking in brightness and so insane, in fact, that she was utterly incapable of reaching for either the "privacy" or the "block" button in Zone Friends.

A likely story...

CaptainRAVE
06-06-2001, 05:25 PM
How come these threads always drift soooooo far off the subject and develop into personal conversations about nothing related to JK2!