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SithTexasDeath
06-03-2001, 11:24 PM
First off I would to say the Screenies are nice but I have 1 problem with It is that the Storm troopers look way to big headed and wimpy.Also some of the textures are non starwars related . Although its still early to tell. I Would like to see storm troopers be somewhat hard too kill.Remember FEARED By the galaxy,stormtroopers Are !!ELITE!!! shock troops deployed in support of both ground forces and Imperial fleet.Stormtroopers are unquestionably loyal to the Empire,and their unshakeable military descipline has led to the speculation

that they might be the result of accelerated Imperial cloning experiments,although this has never Been CONFIRMED Stormtroopers are essentially Jango fett the greatest warrior in starwars History heheh.

well anyways I cant wait and thought I would post my opinion about the troopers. By the way The shot of Kyle in the front is awesome! what are your thoughts?
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Kwup
06-03-2001, 11:27 PM
So your saying slicing through a stormtrooper shouldn't kill him? I'm mad that you can't one-shot bosses, much less basic monkees. ;)

[ July 29, 2001: Message edited by: Kurgan ]

SithTexasDeath
06-03-2001, 11:31 PM
No Im saying that they should look somewhat intimidating and have skillfull AI.Slicing thru a stormtrooper rips! Just not slicing thru a Fat 1...... :D

[ June 03, 2001: Message edited by: Armand ]

Thrawn
06-03-2001, 11:45 PM
Stormies have never been tough. They weren't in the movies, so why should they be in the game? They're the flak of the Imperials :D

GCrusher23
06-04-2001, 01:18 AM
I registered for this forum just so I could reply to your statement Thrawn. You are totally off. The stormtroopers are some of the strongest, most feared forces in the galaxy. They bring fear to everyone. The ONLY reason why they looked so weak in the movies was because of one good reason. Han, Luke, Leia, Chewbacca, Lando, all of them are heroes. They are the people that we look at and go "wow, they're good!" They only killed stormtrooper after stormtrooper was because they were the best in the galaxy. Why focus 3 movies on them if they suck? Also, the stormtroopers were cloned off of the mind of Jango Fett, who is supposedly even more powerful than his son, Boba Fett.

So, stormtroopers actually are very good shooters, it's just that the movies focused on the best in the galaxy.

SithTexasDeath
06-04-2001, 01:55 AM
My point exactly :p

Boba Rhett
06-04-2001, 02:19 AM
Oh yeah... and those walking teddy bears, known as ewoks are pretty fierce. That's why they kicked the troopers arses. :rolleyes: The troopers are only feared because there is so many of them and they have a never ending supply of firepower. Everyone here is also forgeting to put spoiler alerts in front of ep II news.
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They aren't true blue clones of Jango. They are very "low quality" clones. Boba Fett was a "high quality" clone.

Tre Lightshadow
06-04-2001, 03:07 AM
Where did you get the info the Stormtroopers were cloned of off Jango Fett? I've never heard that. Besides, with a name like Jango, how can you REALLY be that good of a fighter? (Just wanted to see how many people that would piss off!) :D

Angry Drunken Ewok
06-04-2001, 04:01 AM
Jango Fett is gonna be awesome
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Not only is the reason for Boba Fett being around but he goes toe to toe in battles against Obi Wan and the rest of the Jedi Council

Dr_Strangelove
06-04-2001, 04:20 AM
I have to agree with Thrawn. Stormtroopers are just normal grunt troopers and they always get canned. They may be really good, who knows, but the fact is that in JKII, and for a lot of SW games, you need a normal stupid enemy to put all around, and stick in every corner. If stormtroopers where half as good as there made out to be we would get the crap kicked out of us in the game :) . So unless they find an enemy more common then the Stormtrooper, there gonna be the morons who can't shoot worth beans and get pushed off buildings. :cool:

SithTexasDeath
06-04-2001, 05:51 AM
Everyone is right one way or the other if they are gonna be supid then there should be an option of difficult settings in jk2 like in doom or q2 when you pick the hardest setting ememies keep comming. One disappointment I have with lucas Arts gsmes is that there is never enuff enemies to kill So I want hundreds of stupid troopers to slice in half. By the way: SPOILEr In Ep3 everyone will change thier minds about how they see starwars the trilogy is over now see what the dakside is really capable of. Your not gonna seeee some ghey ewoks killing troopers :D Dam them! null

[ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: Armand ]

GonkH8er
06-04-2001, 07:29 AM
mmmmm nightmare mode..... didnt we love it :)

GCrusher23
06-04-2001, 10:21 AM
Well, that's why ROTJ had some bad qualities. I can't explain why stupid ewoks (I dispise all ewoks. May they rot in hell) were able to kill stormtroopers. Maybe it was a symbol to show that the empire was nearing its end.


I also agree that they are lower end clones of Jango, but never the less. They are still very good. If a whole cantina full of a guys like doctor evazon stands still as stormtroopers walk by you know they have to be something special.

Red_XIIII
06-04-2001, 12:23 PM
i wish they'd make thier armor count for somthing... Kinda stuipd dispatching a storm trooper with 2 shots to the foot, heh

Ki-Adi-Mundi
06-04-2001, 04:19 PM
Yeah... that is pretty bad Red.

Hey, how many years does everyone think jk2 is set after Return of the Jedi?

CaptainRAVE
06-04-2001, 04:32 PM
Why do people keep saing the stormtroopers look bad? Ok, they do look short and fat, but considering this level was finished in a month for E3 it aint soooo bad! :) Look how long they've got to improve the game and take note of our comments. And anyway, at least its RAVEN. I could totally trust them with any game! :D

Red_XIIII
06-04-2001, 06:40 PM
were not saying they look bad, its just that they are so stuipd in every game and movie, and thier armor is made out of paper..

CaptainRAVE
06-04-2001, 06:46 PM
Oh yeah...good point!! But then you cant have a stormtrooper killing a jedi, LOL. But then, has anyone ever seen a clever stormtrooper????????????

StormHammer
06-05-2001, 04:11 PM
Ki-Adi-Mundi...in the chat log Haden Blackman said JKII was set around 14 years post-ANH...which would be about 10 years after ROTJ.

As for all Stormtroopers just being clones and cannon fodder, you are forgetting one small point. Kyle Katarn was once a Stormtrooper (according to the books). Other people have also been Stormtroopers in the EU. Therefore, they are not all simply clones.

Personally, I think the Stormtroopers should be tougher than we have seen in the previous games. They are supposed to be elite troops, and I would at least expect them to find cover when under fire.

Also, as someone else said elsewhere, they should adjust the intelligence and toughness of every enemy based on the difficulty setting. On HARD, the enemies should be tougher, and really exhibit some intelligence, like keeping you pinned down with concentrated fire while flanking you etc.

If we can't have lots of enemies on screen (as in DF, for example), then the enemies we do face should be tougher.

CaptainRAVE
06-05-2001, 05:04 PM
Yeah, but you cant have a stormtrooper being as tough as a boss can you.....look how easily they are killed in the films.....even easier than in JK!

StormHammer
06-05-2001, 06:08 PM
I'm not saying they should be as tough as bosses...(if you are referring to the Dark Jedi, there's hardly a comparison).

However, I won't be impressed if a bunch of Stormies just line up for me to shoot down. I can't see this happening, with the new AI they should be implementing.

Maybe they could be as easy to kill...but maybe they shouldn't give you as many chances to kill them. A running target is harder to hit than one that's standing still. A Stormie behind cover who is firing at you will be harder to hit. And maybe some of them could hit the deck while returning fire, or do a sideways roll...anything to make them more challenging than simply line up in your sights and fire.

If the SP game is not going to be as long as JK, it has to be more challenging, IMO.

Boba Jim
06-05-2001, 07:06 PM
Sure the Stormtroopers are billed as elite shock troops that are feared throughout the galaxy, but that's just Imperial hype meant to intimidate their victims. I don't recall Hussein's elite Republican Guard Troops putting up so much of a resistance to the UN troops. Stormtroopers are intimidating, but I wouldn't go so far as to say they are great individual warriors. Hell, how ya gonna fight in that outfit anyway? They're blaster bait. The biggest reason to be afraid of stormtroopers is that there are always so darn many to slash through before you're done. If they work in teams, look out.
What I'd be afraid of are the Emperor's Royal guards. Those guys are supposed to be real baddies and you know they got somethin hidden under them robes. Oh, and don't count us vicious Gonks out. You ain't seen hurt till you made one of us mad. Them corners are sharp mister.

CaptainRAVE
06-06-2001, 04:33 PM
Yeah the royal guards are the elite....and if they guard the emperor they must be good.

BeerMan
06-06-2001, 09:31 PM
heh... those storm troopers are shiny

SithTexasDeath
06-07-2001, 07:36 PM
Yes Droids are wimpy watch the first behind the scenes and and thats exactly what they say. If your gonna spam pics spam Stormtrooper pics.

Rancor
06-08-2001, 12:59 AM
What ever are you talking about? I'm sure they'll be tweaked out before the game ships, but they look a hundred fold better than how they looked in the old JK. But even then, the gameplay was fun so I really didn't care. In the end, if the game is fun, I'd take the stormtroopers how they look right now...well, assuming those 3000 polys each don't slow my computer down to a crawl.

CaptainRAVE
06-08-2001, 04:54 PM
Dont start doing that in this forum! Keep to your OWN.......oh moderators...

wardz
06-08-2001, 08:16 PM
Why haven't you been banned? You're intentions here are clear... You have nothing worth while to contribute - we are fortunate to have a site specifically for JK2 and YOU and your little friends are ruining it.

PISS OFF! :mad:


wardz

SithTexasDeath
06-08-2001, 08:49 PM
Darn it once again all im saying is that they shoud look menacing like this dont you agree?
nullStormtrooperPic (http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/imageFolio/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Characters/Stormtroopers&img=40)

[ June 08, 2001: Message edited by: Armand ]

matt--
06-09-2001, 01:56 AM
How is this thread a spoiler? And why the hell is he being such a retard for?

matt--
06-09-2001, 01:59 AM
Where is this rs.net?
It is pretty pointless to spam fro a website that does not exist.

GonkH8er
06-09-2001, 04:20 AM
WVBDA.....

i suggest you stop now......

Vagabond
06-09-2001, 04:27 AM
Wade Vox's Battle Droid Army, you need to stop posting all of those pointless images in your messages. Your messages are needlessly slowing the page load-times for people with slower connection speeds.

The JKII staff is rapidly finalizing plans for assigning forums admins and moderators to address problems such as these.

Boba Rhett
06-09-2001, 08:21 AM
Holy hell. They just start doing this over here and they already have people pouncing on them. I really could have used you guys at the jk forums a few days ago.

CaptainRAVE
06-09-2001, 08:34 AM
I think when it says possible spoiler it means it could spoil the game....just a suggestion! And yeah, those pics slow the load time like hell :mad:

GonkH8er
06-09-2001, 08:36 AM
i tried.... i made a special thread for it....

i havent been adminnin there recently. i spose i should keep them in order a bit more, rather than hanging out here :)

wardz
06-09-2001, 05:11 PM
The prodical son has returned!!! VAGABOND!

Nice to have you back, how was your break?

wardz

Vagabond
06-10-2001, 04:27 PM
I had a great time in Florida...the vacation was a blast. Visited Seaworld, Downtown Disney, Daytonna Beach, saw Ray Ramano do stand-up, and went to the Kennedy Space Center. A good time was had by all ;)

SithTexasDeath
06-11-2001, 02:46 AM
And This has what to do with the stomtrooper jk2 screenshots?

GonkH8er
06-11-2001, 03:06 AM
not much at all really...

CaptainRAVE
06-11-2001, 04:49 PM
These threads always end up off the topic!!!! :mad:

SithTexasDeath
06-29-2001, 07:47 AM
grrrrrrrrr come on ppl!

Mercenary_Turned_Jedi
06-29-2001, 11:04 AM
Another problem with the Stormies ( from now on known as The Bad Boys ). They ( Raven Software ) seem to have forgotten that the StormTrooper rifle is actually pistol-sized, not a shotgun-size bazooka !

:D

Kurgan
06-29-2001, 02:49 PM
Not exactly, the weapon it is based on is hardly "pistol sized" unless it's a pistol for ten foot tall people... (watch the scenes in ANH where Luke, Leia and Han are trading shots with the Stormtroopers, and see what I mean).

There are other weapons that you may see Troopers use that are smaller, but the blaster rifle we all know and love isn't that big, true, but it's bigger than a one-handed pistol (or revolver, etc). It's certainly bigger than the fat Bryar (which is just a sawed off rifle with a new handle anyway)

Personally, I think that having all (or most) weapons be one-shot kill is problematic (unless of course you're going for a "realistic" type of strategic shooter like say Rainbow6). For gameplay balance/challange/fun issues, they made Stormies in JK take 3 shots to kill (1 if you have a saber or super powerful weapon hit them). In SW terms, you could just say that they finally upgraded that wimpy ST armor. ; )

Kurgan

[ June 29, 2001: Message edited by: Kurgan ]

GEJoeSolo
06-29-2001, 04:27 PM
I see alot of people saying how easy it was to kill a storm trooper in the movies, witch was true. but not only is this not a movie, but it takes place sometime after ROTJ, meaning that the empire will have had time to change/upgrade somethings such has armore, weapons, and how they train thier army. now they might have some sort of jedi hunting/killing force sepret from the storm troopers.

SithTexasDeath
07-28-2001, 09:37 AM
Stormtroopers aren't the best trained or bravest of military stock, especially when they're going up against a Jedi, so sometimes they may start running from you in hopes of rallying a few buddies to help them taken from the new preview.
I totally disagree with this. I think it will be a down point in the game. Also This guy doesnt know anything about starwars it wasnt obi wan and q-gon who put the the lightsaber in the balster doors in ep1. It was only q-gon jinn. They have someone who knows starwars rather than someone who gets paid by the hour to write a preview about the best saga known to man! :mad:

wardz
07-28-2001, 09:46 AM
Armand, he said Obiwan to help you remember the scene.

wardz

Alan Byrne
07-28-2001, 07:34 PM
This message is in relation to the clone conversation on page one.

I agree Stormtroopers should be tougher, as I would love to feel the adrenaline that the heroes from the trilogy felt while hiding behind every possible obstacle to avoid the laser fire.

So, to implement this intelligently, I suggest that Raven/Lucasarts asy that the Empire cloned one of the Empiror's royal guards, and put the clones in Stormtrooper armour. If the ERG is as tough as they are cracked up to be, it would explain the extra toughness of the troops.

C.H.A.S.
07-30-2001, 04:48 AM
I hope the Stormies have a total of 5 "hit-points". Shots in the limbs taking 1 HP, front torso 2 HP, back torso 3 HP, and the head an auto kill ( these would be the equivlents for the normal blaster bolt).

I don't see what so bad about the appearence of the Stormies in the JK2 screens.

P.S. The pics don't slow down my thread loading. The threads still load in less than two seconds but it still not nice. ;)

acdcfanbill
07-31-2001, 12:03 AM
if the head is auto-kill, why would they wear the armour? of course, saber should be a kill anywhere on torso, head, but with arms/legs gone, i wouldnt fight too well, so, they would prob run off... right?

ed_silvergun
07-31-2001, 11:13 AM
How would they run away with no legs?

:p

CaptainRAVE
07-31-2001, 05:07 PM
On speeders??

acdcfanbill
08-01-2001, 12:40 AM
the black knight didnt look at the loss of arms and legs as defeat! plus, they could make crutches out of their legs and armour...

access_flux
08-01-2001, 06:15 AM
The hit points thing is a Good idea, but what pisses me off hte most is how stormie armour is supposed to be able to take a couple of hits before breaking, so wtf is with the one hit kills, espicially to the chest :)

Denise
08-01-2001, 10:20 AM
It would be my guess that the stormtroopers' armor simply reduces the power and intensity of anything that makes it through... so instead of flash-vaporizing half the victim's chest (sorry for the image) you're just punching holes in him. You can obviously still be lethal with well-aimed shots, but the armored trooper is more likely to survive a blaster hit --in the long term. Obviously they're still very probably going to be taken out of action in the short-term, though.

Translation: You shoot an unarmored target, he probably falls down dead-dead. Shoot an armored stormie and while he's still out of it as far as you're concerned, the Empire can put the pieces back together and send him back at you in a few months. Or faster, what with that bacta stuff.

Oh, and that armor would be of substantial protection in hand to hand combat... whether it would be worth the encumberance, though, is debatable. :)

Edit: None of this is commentary on how things should go in the game, of course. I'm just speculating on why they even bother with the armor at all since all film evidence points to one-hit takedowns.. ;)

[ August 01, 2001: Message edited by: Denise ]

Davo
08-01-2001, 11:43 AM
no sillies...
the reason that storm troopers (and other crappy creatures) in the games are so easy to kill is because in REAL life, a jedi would have ultimate skill and reflexes.
So to account for that, they must scale the enemies down, to the skill that the REAL life character would posses.
In other words, us (the player) are ****ed! and we (with our crappy little mouses and keyboards) can not really immitate how a real jedi would actually act. So to account for the REAL life skill that Kyle Katarn would really have, they must scale the skill of the enemies down.
No?
well if im wrong then tell me
but thats how i see it

[ August 01, 2001: Message edited by: Darth Davo ]

jk][Death
03-17-2002, 08:30 PM
So the trooper model was released. I started this thread in June. Now that i have the model and have been playing it in ra3. Gave it a close look at in the mirrors. I must say that they still look weak to me. Kinda cartoonish. Walking animations are goofy. But what ever the case maybe im glad to have them. :) Im sure someone will make a menacing trooper model I can wait.





hmm that wasnt my log in name When I started this thread. It was Armand.

Belgirion
03-17-2002, 08:38 PM
uh, why'd you bring back this topic

patchx
03-17-2002, 09:12 PM
i think that just because the troopers in the prequels are clones doesnt mean the ones in the original were
Palpy proabably used the clones to get a stranglehold on the galaxy. when his dominance was complete he probably started forcibly recruiting civilians to be his crack troops as it would be much cheaper than growing them yourself.
that would explain any difference in the level of kickassness in the troopers between the 2 trilogies.

also i think the armnor is just to turn aside glancing shots.

-patch

jedi650
03-17-2002, 09:47 PM
Haha, I'd love to see a fat storm trooper!

Tasuki
03-17-2002, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by patchx
i think that just because the troopers in the prequels are clones doesnt mean the ones in the original were
Palpy proabably used the clones to get a stranglehold on the galaxy. when his dominance was complete he probably started forcibly recruiting civilians to be his crack troops as it would be much cheaper than growing them yourself.
that would explain any difference in the level of kickassness in the troopers between the 2 trilogies.

also i think the armnor is just to turn aside glancing shots.

-patch


yea thats right theres an imperial academy. Their not elite or anything. But they should be a little smart since they went through training. IN the movies they seem retarded I don't care if han, leia and luke are the best. Then again the story would suck if they were always getting shot and runnin. I noticed the stormtroopers were never tought to aim.

Darth Ergotht
03-17-2002, 11:20 PM
I don't know if some of you reed the books but cloning in SW isn'T that easy. After 2 or 3 years the clones start to act strangly and 2 weeks afters they're going into a killing rage. That's right, they're going totally insane. They want to kill everything they see.

So cloning in SW is good for short term wars, it's not really good if you want to keep your soldiers for decades.

Kurgan
03-17-2002, 11:26 PM
Man this is old.....

One way to explain why the stormtroopers are so "wimpy" in the classic trilogy, is that the troopers who took out the Jawas were the guys with those sharpshooter rifles (the long barreled ones, we see them walking around on Tatooine, and with the Dewbacks) are very good shots. Remember Obi-Wan's words about the blast points being too accurate for Sandpeople, etc.

So we should see some Stormtrooper SNIPERS. ; )

The troops on the Death Star weren't elite, they were more likely guards (armed with machine guns, which were far less accurate) with nothing to do all day but patrol a supposedly IMPRENETRABLE space station (who would attack it? it would be, as the Imperial official said "A useless gesture"). In addition, you'll recall how Leia says "they let us escape" which was true. Vader wanted the rebels to get away so that they would lead the Empire to their rebel base. If that meant sacrificing a few grunts in the process, so be it.

And check out the damage a gun like Han Solo's blaster does to walls... I'm sure it's capable of punching through that armor. The armor should stop weak blasts and glancing shots, maybe protect the guy like a kevlar vest or flak jacket would, but not necessarily keep him in the fight.

The elite troops we saw were the ones on the Endor moon, and they had many disadvantages, mainly incompetent commanding officers and superiors, they didn't expect the ewoks to have such large numbers or to be so inventive, etc. notice they still killed many ewoks in the battle. The tide turned when Chewbacca was able to commandeer a walker, taking their artillary by suprise.

Anyhow, if I were in a battle, I'd rather have ST armor than just regular civilian clothes, although I might go for something that wasn't such a bright white color that's so easy to see, unless I were in snow or something. ; )

Btw, I love the [SPOILER] tag... some people have no clue how to post good "spoiler" warnings.

Nute Gunray
03-18-2002, 01:14 AM
How could some untrained locals like the Ewoks defeat heavily armed elite military personnel like the Stormtroopers? Nothing like that ever happens for real. It's as insane as thinking some tribal warlords in a poor African nation could hand US SpecOps guys their asses or an entire jungle nation could hold out for close to a decade of airstrikes delivered by the most powerful nation on Earth! :rolleyes:

SaberPro
03-18-2002, 01:21 AM
I think it's because the Ewok has more in number, and Stormtrooper has less....it's like saying, 100,000,000 Africans with spears vs. 100 SpecOps...

Ewoks still used some ancient ways to take down those AT-STs...wood rolling...wood smashing... :ewok:

Redwing
03-18-2002, 01:21 AM
A few points:

A) Stormie armor majorly dampens the affects of blaster bolts. That's why you don't usually see holes punched in stormie armor from blaster bolts (ref: RotJ when Han shoots a stormie at nearly point blank range --- his armor is unharmed! (However, the heat of the bolt fries the unlucky stormie right through his armor.)
While when he shoots a wall, it takes a nice chunk out of it.

B) There were thousands, even millions of stormies abroad the Death Star. Like Kurgan said, a supposedly impenetrable battle station. They were probably some of the worst of the worst! Later, when they were being pursued after Vader found out, they were under orders to NOT to kill them. The Falcon had to escape for the tracking device to be of any use!

C) The "elite" troops on Endor were overconfident, arrogant, and totally unprepared for a bunch of furry little animals (who blended right into the surroundings, and had home turf advantage) to come lobbing huge rocks at them. (Note---most of the troopers probably died of broken necks then from anything else.) Besides, they stood out like bananas in a coal cellar with their nice, shiny white armor. ;)

D) After the horrendous embarrasment of being beaten by teddy bears in a major battle (:D), the Empire decided to nix the white armor in such cases and go for camoflauge. (ref: Isard's Revenge I think...) We see this in JK2 in the swamptroopers. Remember, the armor was for psychological intimidation, not for stealth in any sense.

Redwing
03-18-2002, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by Nute Gunray
How could some untrained locals like the Ewoks defeat heavily armed elite military personnel like the Stormtroopers? Nothing like that ever happens for real. It's as insane as thinking some tribal warlords in a poor African nation could hand US SpecOps guys their asses or an entire jungle nation could hold out for close to a decade of airstrikes delivered by the most powerful nation on Earth! :rolleyes:

Refer to what SaberPro said. :)

Besides, US SpecOps don't put big white signs above their heads saying HERE I AM, THROW BOULDERS AND LOGS AT ME!!!! which is the equivalent of what those genius stormies did. :rolleyes:

Notwithstanding the walkers, most of which Chewie blew up with the one he commandeered. Too bad they all looked alike! :D

Qel
03-18-2002, 02:02 AM
How is it that stormtroopers are clones of Jango Fett?

I don't get it...I always thought that the emporer didn't need to create clones once the empire was born....he had the unlimited
man power of thousands of Imperial controlled worlds for stormtrooper recruits...

The only story in the EU that I've read was that of Grand Admiral
Thrawn creating clone stormtroopers to man all the Dreadnaughts
he had found....

Qel

Redwing
03-18-2002, 03:07 AM
You're probably right. The whole stormie clone is TOTALLY speculation. Nothing more, nothing less.

patchx
03-18-2002, 04:49 AM
well actually
it was shown in the latest AOTC trailer that palpatine is forming a "grand" army of the republic out of clones what do you think happens to that army when palpatine declares the empire?

-patch

p.s i dunno if this would be considered spoilers 'cause its off a publicly broadcast trailer.

Kurgan
03-18-2002, 04:50 AM
Well let's think about this.. true the Stormtroopers have superior weapons technology (at first, notice how at the end of the battle we see Ewoks with stolen Imperial weapons in hand... we'd assume they learned quickly how to use them, maybe even were instructed in basic use by the Rebels beforehand) and armor, but the Ewoks have "home court advantage."

The ewoks were fighting on their home soil, an advantage in morale. They lived all their lives in those forests, so they were familiar with the territory, probably more familiar than those troosp who may have only been there for days, weeks, or months at the most at their stations. The ewoks would know where to set traps (and we see this) and the best hiding places, ambush points, terrain, etc.

The ewoks that we saw fighting were obviously the tribal warriors. Notice we didn't see mama ewok and her baby ewoks in the battle. They sent THEIR elite troops.

Then there was the numerical advantage, I don't know the exact numbers, but it was obvious that the ewoks far outnumbered the rebels and Imperials combined. Yet, as you would expect against a technologically superior foe, they sustained HEAVY casualties as we saw onscreen.

The ewoks also had a little help from the small strike team of Rebels. Essentially one could say the ewoks "kept the Empire busy" giving the Rebels time to secure their objectives. And yes, the Empire did make many tactical blunders and exhibited extreme incompetence... in the end, the good guys just got darn lucky (the Force was on their side?).

Nute Gunray
03-18-2002, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by Redwing
Besides, US SpecOps don't put big white signs above their heads saying HERE I AM, THROW BOULDERS AND LOGS AT ME!!!! which is the equivalent of what those genius stormies did. :rolleyes:

No, they came in in helos in broad daylight and got met with some RPGs.

Tasuki
03-18-2002, 05:38 PM
no simply put star wars makes no sense no matter how hard you rationalize it. Stormtroopers can't aim for crap because if they could there would be no story. Good enough an explanation. DOesn't mean it not good though.

Nute Gunray
03-18-2002, 06:48 PM
Only twice did stormtroopers get to do what stormtroopers are supposed to do: the boarding of the Tantive IV and the invasion of Hoth. And they certainly did this just fine. All the other times, except for the Endor incident, they were supposed to just herd the good guys around.

sanpilou
03-18-2002, 08:23 PM
were not saying they look bad, its just that they are so stuipd in every game and movie, and thier armor is made out of paper..

not true!!!!!!!! their armor is supposed to be able to stop primitive weapons like rocks and others, and it not all, on theyr belt they have a big thermal detonator that is too powerful, and it's still not all, theyr helmet is equipped with sssssoooo many sensors that i don't have enough time to tell them all. so don't say that a stormie armor is useless.

Belgirion
03-18-2002, 08:24 PM
were not saying they look bad, its just that they are so stuipd in every game and movie, and thier armor is made out of paper

hah! I beg to differ!