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Xanthus
06-14-2001, 07:29 PM
No im not suggesting that Kyle and Luke are going to fight in jk2. but just for aruments sake who do u think would win?

Personaly even tho Luke has come a long way since he was that ***** little farmboy he still is a loser. Even tho he defeated Darth Vader it was after he was trained by Obi-Wan and Yoda. Not to mention the first time he tried he got his ass kicked in the end he sorta prevailed.

Then again Kyle had no traing (aside from killing 5 dark jedi, yes 5 because he didn't kill Yun) befor he went up againnst Jerec whos powers were suposed to rival those of Darth Vader.

well any comment or questions?

CaptainRAVE
06-14-2001, 07:35 PM
If in a game......you were playing with luke, then luke would win. If you were playing wi kyle, then Kyle would win.

If in the film then whoever the good guy was would win (the light side person)!

Swoosh
06-14-2001, 08:19 PM
Luke would win. He may have looked like a wuss in the movies...but he becomes the man after vader is gone. Luke taught all the new Jedi, and therefore he is superior to all of them...especially Kyle who received no training.

Swoosh

GonkH8er
06-14-2001, 11:28 PM
But kyle has the beard of power. i dont see lukey boy with any beard. And lukes got deep psychological problems anyway. I'd bet by now he's cracked and he's a raving luatic :)


kyle would win. he has the beard. he has the power

wardz
06-14-2001, 11:31 PM
Kyle would pull all the chicks with a porn star beard like that which makes him look TUFF, Luke looks like a little weasel,

Who needs a lightsaber, Kyle has the power of the mach3 :)

wardz

[ June 14, 2001: Message edited by: wardz ]

GonkH8er
06-14-2001, 11:36 PM
youre damn right. kyles a regular chick magnet. he's got mara, jan, sariss for about 10 seconds, and all those civilian women who say 'leave me alone' are just playing hard to get. but he has his way with them all in the end.... if he just pulls out his saber and swings it round a bit right near em, they love that.... they just go 'ehhhhhhhhhh' and swoon and fall down.... they love it :)

kyles real smooth.... the women arent even aware that he's coming in for the kill, as evidenced by their cries of 'whats happening?'


he's one 'tee yuu double eff' TUFF stud :cool:

wardz
06-14-2001, 11:41 PM
But then again, Luke has got a fit sister! Gonk do ya reckon he could show her the error of her ways? :)

lol, If kyle gets the birds with his facial hair, Chewie must be like Hugh Hefner!!


wardz

GonkH8er
06-14-2001, 11:46 PM
dude, that was about 10 years and 3 children ago :) do u know what 10 years and 3 children does to a woman?

wardz
06-14-2001, 11:49 PM
Do you know what 10 years and 3 kids does to a wookie?! ;0)


wardz

Boba Rhett
06-15-2001, 03:00 AM
I don't care what you say. Leia's still a hottie even after she had her children.

GonkH8er
06-15-2001, 05:05 AM
i spose so...

i hear she's still a good lay (a)

:rolleyes:

dnalor
06-15-2001, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by Xanthus:
<STRONG>No im not suggesting that Kyle and Luke are going to fight in jk2. but just for aruments sake who do u think would win?

Personaly even tho Luke has come a long way since he was that ***** little farmboy he still is a loser. Even tho he defeated Darth Vader it was after he was trained by Obi-Wan and Yoda. Not to mention the first time he tried he got his ass kicked in the end he sorta prevailed.

Then again Kyle had no traing (aside from killing 5 dark jedi, yes 5 because he didn't kill Yun) befor he went up againnst Jerec whos powers were suposed to rival those of Darth Vader.

well any comment or questions?</STRONG>

I think, Luke Skywalker is the strongest Jedi in the Galaxy, maximum he can help Kyle..

Bartolo_JCS
06-15-2001, 08:57 AM
Everyone knows obi-wan's the best, he took out darth maul man....and there's still more to go... ;)

GonkH8er
06-15-2001, 10:17 AM
yeah but look at obiwan now! he let his own apprentice destroy him :)

kyle would never do that... he has the beard....

GE_Luke
06-15-2001, 10:48 AM
hehe
I think Luke would win
not cuz I've got the name (well...it IS a good reason ;))
but because Luke can resist the dark-side.
Like cptRAVE said, Light side would definetly win, and well...Kyle isn't that secure :)
Luke can resist the Emperor!!
Kyle..well, we all played MotS :D

[ June 15, 2001: Message edited by: GE_Luke ]

dnalor
06-15-2001, 10:53 AM
I think, Luke's the best. He can develop a great force. He is the one. Nowadays he is much stronger than Palpatine used to be...

You know it well, this is a star wars story where you can play with Luke's apprentice, Kyle Katarn.

GonkH8er
06-15-2001, 12:23 PM
ahhh but you see, that could work in kyles advantage, as he has delved into the dark side and can work from both sides of the ball park....

he's a little bit of this and a little bit of that. he has experience in things that luke doesnt..... POWERFUL things :)

En Taro Taldarin
06-15-2001, 12:32 PM
If Darth Vader really wanted to kill Luke, he'd have torn him apart. The Emperor wanted Luke to kill Vader, because Luke had the potential (emphasis on potential) to become stronger than Vader, and killing him would help turn him to the dark side. Luke, at the time, was not stronger than Vader. Also, currently (in the New Jedi Order series), Luke, while very powerful, is still not as powerful as the emperor was. I say this, because he'd have to be a bit older to become as powerful as the emperor. Remember, the jedi he trained could become more powerul than him easily (well, not so easily, but they could). However, there are still no jedi who are stronger than he. Kyle actually did have training, Rahn as a spirit trained him, although he had no physical lightsaber training. So, Luke would win.

Also, before someone brings this up on the forum, which I know they will eventually, Qui-Gon was right about Anakin being the chosen one. Think about it, if Anakin hadn't turned to the dark side, he'd have been hunted down with all the other Jedi by the emperor who was the most powerful force user at the time (other than Yoda & Co.). Turning to the dark side allowed him to survive long enough to kill the emperor. While I admitt that without Luke to prompt his return to the lightside, he would not have done it, Luke was not powerful enough himself to kill the emperor. Without Darth Vader, Luke would be dead. So, in the end, Qui-Gon was right, and Anakin was the chosen one.

Letalis
06-15-2001, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by GonkH8er:
<STRONG>ahhh but you see, that could work in kyles advantage, as he has delved into the dark side and can work from both sides of the ball park....

he's a little bit of this and a little bit of that. he has experience in things that luke doesnt..... POWERFUL things :)</STRONG>

Didn't Luke get turned to the Dark Side in one of the books? And Leia turned him back? In which case Gonk, you'd be wrong, but that's not so infrequent, is it!? :D

You know i luv ya... ;)

En Taro Taldarin
06-15-2001, 03:16 PM
No, it wouldn't give either of them an advantage, 'cause you can use any power while on either side, it just depends on how you use 'em.

Syndrix
06-15-2001, 03:25 PM
Any if you are a light Jedi, how do you use force destruction in a positive way?
Just wondering...

Finalnight
06-15-2001, 03:50 PM
Rubble clearing, saving cats from trees??? ;)
My votes with Kyle, Luke is still doing this s**t I DONT WANNA FIGHT ANYONE MOMMY routine.
But then again that is Kyle's Story at the start of JK II, hmmm....
Kyle should go pimping and have Jan and all the civilians be his whores, :cool: J/K...

Bartolo_JCS
06-15-2001, 04:01 PM
hahaha, "You can't win Darth" he totally let's darth kill him so Luke can go on. Obi-Wan is not only the best jedi to live he made the wisest decisions. Except for continuing to train anakin. That might have been a bad decision. Other than that he is the man.

Finalnight
06-15-2001, 04:09 PM
Should have Left Jar Jar on Tatooine, then he would be killed in EP II instead of Shmi.

Zuckuss13
06-15-2001, 04:24 PM
Hi,

Just to point a few things out when you wre talking about Kyle getting all the Girls, Luke actully got Married to Mara Jade ( i think ) and Kyle would win because he is the Only man to have Killed a Dark Trooper and he's killed more Jedi's.

Do you think Luke will be in Jedi Knight 2, he could help you.

a good mission in it would be you build a time machine and go and Kill Jar Jar in the most painful way possible

mmmmmmmmmm.....

Thanks

Scott :p

En Taro Taldarin
06-15-2001, 04:33 PM
Any Jedi could kill a Dark Trooper easily. Luke never killed one 'cause he never came across one. And having killed more Jedi (yes that is the correct plural) says nothing about one's skill. All the Jedi could have been very weak.

For Syndrix: It's very easy to use force destruction in a positive way. For example: If some Stormtroopers are shooting at some civilians, and there are too many too get all in time, you could use force destruction and be protecting all the civilians lives, and your own by removing the threat. Being a Jedi on the Light side doesn't mean you can't kill, it just means that you have to use your powers wisely, never kill with vengeance, or out of anger or hatred or any evil. When Yoda says only kill or use the force in defense, you can be defending anything, whether it's a person's future, or their life.

The Wanderer
06-15-2001, 05:01 PM
the wisest???? dude, because of Obiwan, the Jedi nearly became EXTINCT. what are you smoking? And then for an oncore after he gets all of the other Jedi murdered, he hides and takes anakin's kid with him, to of all places, on Anakin's homeworld!!!! By what miriacle Vader never decided to look there I do not know. I'll attribute it to more bad writing on TMP's part :) And killing Darth Maul only means that he's slightly less of a wuss :)

As far as luke vs. Kyle goes... I'd have to vote Luke. Luke's had quite a bit of experience with the force thing, Kyle has not.

On a side note, does anyone else find it interesting how little training it takes to become a Jedi?? Luke Spent all of a day with Obiwan, and about a day with Yoda. And Kyle didn't get ANY training (spirit rahn merely told him to save the valley of the jedi in a vision or what-not, he didn't train him). those 7 dark Jedi really should've been able to tear him to pieces.

Now, what REALLY would have been neat would've been Kyle trying to find a way to save the valley of the Jedi without the benefit of being a jedi. having to outsmart them would've been cool.

En Taro Taldarin
06-15-2001, 05:15 PM
You actually have no indication whatsoever of the time Luke spent with Yoda, it could have been a month for all you know. And, just because none of Kyle's training was in the cutscenes, doesn't mean it wasn't there.

CaptainRAVE
06-15-2001, 06:04 PM
Anyway, its only fiction.

GonkH8er
06-16-2001, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by Finalnight:
<STRONG>saving cats from trees??? ;)
</STRONG>


um yeah....

Luke- Don't worry maam, I'll get him down.... Here kitty kitty kitty... Hold on...


*Force Destruction Noise*

REEOOOOOOOOOOOWWW!


*noise of flesh and fur sizzling...*

Tre Lightshadow
06-16-2001, 03:56 AM
OK, here goes.....
Vader could not have destroyed Luke,
Vader COULD have destroyed the emperor, the emperor just trained Vader to Fear him and think he was more powerful.
Yoda AND/Or Obi-Wan could have easily defeated Vader and/or the Emperor, they just knew the only way to turn Anakin back to the Lightside was throught his son.
Luke would rip the beard of off Katarn.
It was stated that Katarn destroyed seven Dark Jedi, in all the books and all the comics, how many did Luke destroy... and how many times did he save the galaxy, how many times did Katarn, but anyways, why would they fight? They wouldn't. They'd be happy little Yavin 4 forest Fairires and trade nice "happy" ;) stories of Jan and Mara.... *sigh* to be a Jedi (Knight(II)) :D

MaDMaN
06-16-2001, 04:30 AM
Look the way i see it Luke is just wimp also Kyle became a master inside a week without any training that we know of. :confused: So I think that it would be a good fight but ultimately Kyle would prevail.

Morpheus
06-16-2001, 04:30 AM
Luke

no doubt.

After all, the force is with him.

-The all powerful M.

Ari-Ben Kenobi
06-16-2001, 05:48 AM
Ok all you Kyle lovers, drop your complete ignorance now, Luke would kick Kyle's sorry ass. Are you actually forgeting that he is the son of the chosen one? That he is stronger than Yoda? So you are saying this sorry ***** is stronger then Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker , and YODA?? What a bunch of dumbasses, sheesh!

GonkH8er
06-16-2001, 06:43 AM
why would they fight? well they could be arguing over jan or mara :)


look, heres an idea. why dont we see what the wider community says and put it as our next poll? :)

MaDMaN
06-16-2001, 08:55 AM
Kenobi Kyle would be better because WE trained him gave him our strengths and made him stronger than any Jedi before him. Luke's lineage gave him an advantage yes, made him strong in the force yes, but could he ever defeat one who has been trained by a thousand masters all over this world.. I think, NO I KNOW that Kyle could defeat this weakling Luke Skywalker anyday. Period.

Zuckuss13
06-16-2001, 09:56 AM
hi,

Kyle would win if it was the Dark Kyle, the only Sith to have been killed by a light jedi was Maul and he was a sorry git( also Jeric and Co. By Kyle),Luke didn't Kill the Empoerer , Vader did and in Mysteries of the Sith Nothing could beat the Evil Kyle,

Thanks

Scott

StormHammer
06-16-2001, 10:59 AM
Zuckuss...

Kyle would win if it was the Dark Kyle, the only Sith to have been killed by a light jedi was Maul and he was a sorry git( also Jeric and Co. By Kyle),Luke didn't Kill the Empoerer , Vader did and in Mysteries of the Sith Nothing could beat the Evil Kyle.

Yes, I have to agree that Darth Maul was possibly killed a little too easily for a Sith apprentice. My understanding is that the Sith Lords are supposed to be more powerful than other Dark Jedi.

Jerec was simply a more powerful Dark Jedi - I don't think he was a Sith Lord, although he was probably well on the way to becoming one. Therefore, in those terms, Kyle only tackled Dark Jedi, whereas Luke tackled actual Sith Lords - the Emperor and Vader. Having said that, Luke would have lost his battle if Vader had not turned back to the Light to save his son.

And on a technical point, it could be argued that Vader did not physically kill the Emperor - he simply threw him down that shaft, which killed him. In a face-to-face battle, Vader would have lost against the Emperor - and in fact, he did, because he died as a result of the Emperor's Force Lightning in his weakened state. Luke certainly would never have prevailed against the Emperor if Vader had not intervened. ;)

MaDMaN
06-16-2001, 11:04 AM
Whats the diff inbetween a dark jedi and a sith they seem like the same thing to me except the way DJ's hang in groups and the Sith train in groups of 2. If anyone knows would u plz tell me?
:mad:

CaptainRAVE
06-16-2001, 01:44 PM
The sith are more powerful, but there can only be two as there is a limit to their power. Any more and they get weaker. We have never actually seen dark jedi in the films though, only sith.

Zuckuss13
06-16-2001, 02:01 PM
Hi,

another thing Kyle defeated the Dark troopers before he was a Jedi ( i'd like to see farm boy Luke do that ) so by my reckoning if the was more powerful than Luke before he was a Jedi he would have the edge in a fight even though Luke is stronger with the force,

Thanks

Scott :D

MaDMaN
06-16-2001, 02:58 PM
What is the diff inbetween a sith and a dark jedi... there is no limit to any jedi's strength ,thier strength flows from the force it all depends on how one listens, no matter what side of the force he uses.

Tre Lightshadow
06-16-2001, 04:04 PM
The diffrence is that a Dark Jedi is just someone who was training as a Jedi, and took the "easy way out", they wanted more power... There are many ways to become a Dark Jedi. The Sith is just one way to become one, it may be a more powerful one, but they usually start out with evil intended, and they follow guidelines, like the teachings of the Sith. Other Dark Jedi don't really follow guidelines, they just use the Force for negative effects.

CaptainRAVE
06-16-2001, 04:40 PM
I couldnt have put it better myself :)

GEJoeSolo
06-16-2001, 06:23 PM
I think it should be more like highlander ware when you kill a guy you get all his powers and stuff. that would be an intresting twist.

and why dosen't the dark side just blow the s**t out of the light jedi with an army of guys with concution rifles and a few star destroyers. light jedi have to sleep some time hehehe.

acdcfanbill
06-16-2001, 09:17 PM
it would probably end up like the two dark jedi on the SW short Duality. they would kill each other. and then Mara and Jan would be pissed at each other, and then they would kill each other too. then Han would probably end up with both their sabers for toys, and sell them for extreem profit. remimber, theres no substitute for a good blaster at your side.

Boba Rhett
06-16-2001, 09:59 PM
The Sith were an ancient race that the dark jedi conquered and made slaves long ago. That's why some are called sith lords. :)

GEJoeSolo
06-16-2001, 10:57 PM
hey acdcfanbill

at the calgary show I got backstage passes to AC/DC. Brian sent them to my dad coz my dad use to roady for brian back when he was in a band in newcastle. sweet eh, I got picks of me and angus and ****.


now to get back on topic, do you guys think that jedi powers are going to be more popular for playing on the net, coz in JK there are very few FF games. everyone always playes NF, my self included.

acdcfanbill
06-16-2001, 11:21 PM
well, i wasnt lucky enough for backstage passes, but i saw them in minneapolis last sept. and it rocked anyway..
_______________________________________

i never played w/o the force much, my favorite was just dueling it out with FF, and im hoping that they make it great for JO, with as many saber combos as its supposed to have, it should be cool, and i also thought that maybe with better blocking (whatever control it) sabers could always be one hit kill, which, in my opinion, should be. or if block behind you by goin over you head, like obi-wan did in Eps. I. of course, it would be difficult to kill jedi then, so maybe they would have to have a way to distract, or temporaryly stun jedi, like when maul hits them with his hilt. well, im whining for a lot of stuff now, and none of it will actually get into the game, so, i'll just shut up now.

dnalor
06-17-2001, 06:06 AM
Luke and Kyle are friends Luke thaught Kyle so there's no point about comperaing them. I think Luke is much stronger... but I have to say it again Luke is no match for Kyle.

MaDMaN
06-17-2001, 07:21 AM
Luke taught Kyle those who cant do teach and so Kyle is stronger. Because he can do(hope my english teach doesn't see this)Kyle is stronger. The apprentice is now the master and the circle is complete. :)

dnalor
06-17-2001, 08:59 AM
I have to say (official Luke is much stronger)...in SW galaxy...

MaDMaN
06-17-2001, 10:02 AM
If u have to say it i guess u have to say it but I must disagree. Then again whats the piont of bickering u say tamato i say tomato :D

dnalor
06-17-2001, 11:14 AM
yes, you're right! But I say tomato you say tamato :)
JUST A jOKE!

wELCOME TO lUKE SKYWALKER'S JEDI ACADEMY!

MaDMaN
06-17-2001, 11:41 AM
NOOOOOOO! not there NOOOOO! not the acadamy i hate SKOOL with all da engliz and speeling and mayth. Who needs to know that 3 + 4 = 9 geez i know ill never use that in my lyfe.
Thanks for the welcome ;) :p :D

dnalor
06-17-2001, 01:04 PM
NO COMMENT! :)

May the force be with you!

MaDMaN
06-17-2001, 01:06 PM
Lol dnalor thats a first ;)

dnalor
06-17-2001, 02:09 PM
I think You have played with JK and you looking forward to play with Jedi Outcast..
to be honest.... I want JKII NOWWWWWW! :)

have you played on ZONE with JK?

MaDMaN
06-17-2001, 02:12 PM
Yeah under a couple a diff names went on sabbatical. Had to play Mechwarrior 4. Can u blame me? My next sabbatical will be in just a coupla mins after this post....hafta mow my lawn and thats a year long job. *sigh*
:mad: :mad: :mad:

En Taro Taldarin
06-18-2001, 10:43 AM
Darth Vader was capable of killing Luke easily power-wise, however, he was merely not mentally capable of doing it.

Luke was not stronger than Yoda, he didn't even have the potential to be stronger than Yoda. Vader never became stronger than Yoda, but he did have the potential to become stronger than Yoda. The number of midi-chlorians a person has represents the potential of their power, not where it's currently at.

Thousands of years before the new republic, there were several Jedi that had turned to the dark side, and were attempting to turn other Jedi as well. The Old Republic exiled them, they put them in a resonably sized craft, with supplies etc, and blasted them into hyperspace, with no co-ordinates or calculations. The Old Republic was hoping the ship would go through a star or something so they could get rid of the Dark Jedi without consciously executing them. But it didn't happen this way, the Dark Jedi came out of hyperspace next to a small planet (of which I forgot the name), landed on it, and found out that it was the home of an alien species called the sith. The sith were quite powerful in the force too, but when they came across the Dark Jedi, they thought of them as gods. Eventually, through inter-breeding between the Dark Jedi and the Sith etc, the term sith, became synomous with Dark Jedi who had adopted the sith power, and lived by sith culture. Eventually, the Jedi found out about this, and after many long battles, wiped them out. There was one attempt by some people to re-instate the sith, but they weren't the original sith, and that attempt failed. 2000 years before TPM, there was even another attempt, and many battles were fought between them and the Jedi, but it was not the Jedi that wiped them out this time, it was fighting among themselves for power. One survived out of the many, his name was Darth Bane. He instated the rule that there could only be two sith at one time, a master, and an apprentice. He also stated that Darth, his first name, would become the title of all future sith. The sith managed to survive this way unnotice until the Phantom Menace.

So, Jerec was not a sith, and couldn't become one.

Darth Maul was not 'too easily destroyed for a sith'. Remember, he had been fighting with one of the most powerful Jedi Masters in the order, excluding the Jedi Council, and was undoubtedly quite tired. He was also not expecting Obi-Wan's quick recovery.

Also, about Luke's power, he would have quite a bit less potential than Darth Vader. Remember, Anakin was conceived entirely of midi-chlorians, leading to his immense amount of them. Luke was conceived by Anakin, and Amidala, who, as far as we know, has almost no force-potential at all. So, Luke is not more powerful than Yoda was, even as he is now in the New Jedi Order series. He is also probably not as powerful as many of the Jedi on the council. :)

dnalor
06-18-2001, 10:48 AM
Well, You are not a fun of Luke Skywalker.

But Luke is the best...it depends on time..when... etc.

MaDMaN
06-18-2001, 12:14 PM
To many people disagree with you on this Dnalor. Taldarein is right whether you like it or not. It doesnt all depend on time and place to make a jedi.

I still think Kyle would kill that farmboy any standard Republic week. :D

Finalnight
06-18-2001, 02:45 PM
I concur.

En Taro Taldarin
06-18-2001, 03:14 PM
You really can't say though, none of us have any idea of what kind of training Kyle recieved.

Syndrix
06-18-2001, 03:23 PM
En Taro Taldarin:

For Syndrix: It's very easy to use force destruction in a positive way. For example: If some Stormtroopers are shooting at some civilians, and there are too many too get all in time, you could use force destruction and be protecting all the civilians lives, and your own by removing the threat. Being a Jedi on the Light side doesn't mean you can't kill, it just means that you have to use your powers wisely, never kill with vengeance, or out of anger or hatred or any evil. When Yoda says only kill or use the force in defense, you can be defending anything, whether it's a person's future, or their life.

Dont get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from as Ive heard this argument before and know it is very contentious. But I dont think thats necissarily true. "Using a NOUN in defence" is different to "defending" something. When Yoda says that, I believe he is talking about using the force in passive ways ie. Jump has no other effects other than making one jump extremely high, where as lightning (which needs to be much more powerful in JK2 to be useful, on a totally seperate note) is outward aggression. To use such a torturous power on an enemy cleary shows disdain at the least towards him. A Jedi weapon is the saber, not only because it has all the advantages we know it does (that and I cant be bothered listing them) but also because for a light Jedi it is the way to kill a Dark Jedi (or sith) with a clean concience, in hounorable battle.


The power of the dark side is not necisarily in its aggressive powers but in it seduction. One may use it in good ways initially, destruction to help civilians or lightning to make a dark jedi drop his saber and subdue him. But "the dark side is quick to join you in battle", a Jedi who uses these powers will eventually use them in anger or vengence, or against a hated enemy, even if he doesnt mean too. Different force powers are not necisarily biased to the light or dark side, but a light Jedi uses not destructive powers because he knows where they will eventually lead him, where as a Dark Jedi embaces them as to him they represent power.

GonkH8er
06-19-2001, 12:38 AM
have you ever shot force destruction at a stormie standing next to a civvie and saved the civvie's life? i didnt think so :)

Tre Lightshadow
06-19-2001, 04:22 AM
[i] <font size="+7" Font color="pink"> LUKE WOULD WIN!!!!!!
:D

[ June 19, 2001: Message edited by: Tre Lightshadow ]

Mafia_Jabba
06-19-2001, 04:26 AM
A lesson in ebonics...

You are a nice looking girl

Damn yousa fine mother F*(^%R

Don't ask

dnalor
06-19-2001, 07:58 AM
to Lightshadow: You say the truth! :) you're right!

Luke is the best but JKII is about Kyle...

MaDMaN
06-20-2001, 03:24 PM
Luke is a weakling but i say the argueing would get us nowhere perhaps it would be a draw between them.

dnalor
06-25-2001, 05:16 AM
Luke is much stronger than Kyle, you know it very well.
But I like Kyle and JKII is about Kyle...

NOW, I wind up the debate.. :)

SlowbieOne
06-26-2001, 06:45 AM
Isnt it obvious? Luke is the son of vader, the one who brought balance to the force. Luke vs. Katarn? Kyle who???
Oh, and lets not forget Kyle wasn't even strong enough as he was seduced by the dark side of the force hahahah!!! What a wuss Skywalker 4 Life

[ June 26, 2001: Message edited by: SlowbieOne ]

ESE_Sithlord
06-26-2001, 07:28 AM
Luke could beat Kyle any day of the week.

Why lets see hes the son of the chosen one the one that brings balance to the force. He was a spy of the lightside turning to the Dark side.

Luke would beat Kyle ass any day accept I know we will never see it so Who knows I just think Luke could win.

Xeph
06-26-2001, 08:31 AM
I can't believe you're arguing between Luke and Kyle. Kyle is a sidestory character, so he'd obviously lose. It's that simple.

Qui-GONE Jinn
06-26-2001, 09:20 AM
Yea, as well as he just found a lightsabre in his father's house and then POOF he was a Jedi...

Mercenary_Turned_Jedi
06-26-2001, 11:33 AM
Kyle Katarn VS. Luke Skywalker in a deathmatch. How sweet could it get ???

Tremors is the Force suggest that Luke has a strong presence within the Force collective.

Kyle's presence, on the other hand, is still marginally small.

Luke has SOME training in fighting a Sith Lord.

Kyle, well, that's not needed to explain. He's faced and beated 5 Dark Jedi in combat, saved the galagy from TOTAL ANNIHALATION and will do so again in SW: JK II: Jedi Outcast

ANYONE WHO WHISHES TO ARGUE MUST TAKE THEIR WORDS AND SHOVE IT UP THEIR *SSES !

Mercenary_Turned_Jedi
:D

En Taro Taldarin
06-26-2001, 03:27 PM
Mercenary_Turned_Jedi, in reading your post, I wonder if you have read the whole topic as you should have done, or if you merely read the topic heading. I carry this suspicion, because you have used arguments that have been used in this topic time and time again, and have proved nothing. So, for the last time, I will prove them wrong. Everyone has presence in the force except Yuuzhan Vong. How easily your presence is sensed merely depends on how good your character is, your pride, etc. Luke fought the most powerful practitioneer of the dark side, the Sith Lord Darth Vader. In truth, the Emperor most likely merely pretended he was more powerful than Vader. The only reason Vader could not have killed Luke was because of a mental factor. And that factor was, Luke was his son. Just because Kyle killed 7 Dark Jedi, (yes, the correct plural is Jedi, not Jedis) says nothing about his strength and skill. The 7 dark Jedi could have been total weaklings as Dark Jedi go. No, no one in the galaxy has saved it from total annihilation, for if the enemy wanted to totally annihilate it, they would have no where to stay at all. The Empire needs to keep some people alive because they need people to control. The only ones not interested in keeping at least some of the populace alive are the Yuuzhan Vong, but they still do not want to destroy the galaxy itself.

Gonk8ter, you forget, JK or not, a stormtrooper rifle's range is far greater than point blank. In normal circumstances (not in JK) they would be shooting at a distance. Also, a 'real' Jedi would have far more control over force destruction and probably would be able to control the wash.

Dnalor, whether you are a fan of someone or not does not decide whether they are best or worst.

Syndrix, I must say that I find it a relief to see some people are argueing intelligently not like some *ahem* people who I mentioned in the top of my post. I cannot truely argue against you this time, for those are truely points that we would have to ask George Lucas about. Luke is the leader of the Jedi Order now, and most of those Jedi agree with me, however, that could just be because Luke got the entirely wrong end of the stick, or they got the entirely wrong end of the stick from Luke. But I still cling to my previously stated beliefs. I suspect we will find out in Episode II, or when they release pre-prequel novels covering the Stark Hyperspace Wars of which Plo Koon had to lead etc. :)

Mercenary_Turned_Jedi
06-27-2001, 07:48 AM
This issue of which Jedi is stronger, doesn't concern the GALACTIC EMPIRE. If Emperor Palpatine (A.K.A. : Darth Sidious) REALLLY wanted to destroy the galaxy, he'd have done it when he became Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic.

Begun, the Clone War has. As so to say "A Jedi's strength flows from the Force. You will know the good from the bad, when you are at peace. Calm. Clear your mind, and listen to the Force."
Looks like a certain Jedi Master was right all along.
And I find your lack of faith disturbing,
En Taro Taldarin.

Mercenary_Turned_Jedi



:D

En Taro Taldarin
06-27-2001, 01:35 PM
First of all, you don't know if Palpatine is really Darth Sidious and you won't find out until Episode 2. I never said the issue of the strength of Jerec and Co. concerned the Galactic Empire, I said it concerned Kyle's strength.

As for the second half of your post, no comment I have. :D

Mercenary_Turned_Jedi
06-27-2001, 01:38 PM
Hey En Taro, if you're still logged on GO **** YOURSELF ! Sidious' public face is Palpatine, Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic.
:D

Mercenary_Turned_Jedi
06-27-2001, 02:23 PM
This time I'm not going to use too much words to prove my point. Sit back and enjoy, En Taro (A.K.A. : A$$HOLE)

Kyle Katarn

vs.

http://www.jediknight.net/trail/images/pro_sari.jpg

victor =

Kyle Katarn
.............................................

Kyle Katarn

vs.

http://www.jediknight.net/trail/images/pro_jere.jpg

victor =

Kyle Katarn

:D

[ June 27, 2001: Message edited by: Mercenary_Turned_Jedi ]

Mercenary_Turned_Jedi
06-28-2001, 08:12 AM
Here's another :

If Kyle Katarn and Luke Skywalker ever ended up in a hangar with This Dark Jedi, what do you think they'll do ?

http://www.starwars.com/eu/img/eu_curve.jpg

Luke would go :eek:

While Kyle would go :mad: and kick her butt.

:D

En Taro Taldarin
06-28-2001, 02:02 PM
Well, Luke has already gone :eek: considering that she is Mara Jade and Luke is married to her and in the New Jedi Order series she is pregnant. ;)

Using pictures to 're-say' what you had previously said does not change my words against it. Perhaps you mistake my meaning though, I'm not saying Luke would win, as I despise him. What I'm saying is that it's impossible to tell with the little information we have. Personally, I wish Kyle would win, but I really don't know.

Kurgan
06-29-2001, 02:42 AM
Let's see here.

Luke and Mara = lovers

Luke and Kyle = one time teacher and pupil

Kyle and Mara = teacher and pupil

In a fair fight it could go either way, but I'd tend to go with Kyle. ; )

Kurgan

Mercenary_Turned_Jedi
06-29-2001, 07:09 AM
Hey, we don't know if Mara could be an undercover Sith. Makes yer mind go :confused: , eh ?

Panda
06-30-2001, 01:23 AM
I think luke may be stronger than Vader,after all he is his son.I think palpy
used vader to get to Luke.I also think Vader knew about Luke being on tatooine and helped to hide him from the emporer. :confused:

The Wanderer
07-01-2001, 04:30 AM
then why would Vader say Obiwan was wise to hide them if he knew they were on Tatooine. ANYWHO...

when the heck was Kyle ever Luke's pupil??? Did I miss a book or something??

and as far as Mara being Kyle's pupil, man, I don't even count MOTS as being a part of DF continuity even.