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Boba Rhett
07-28-2001, 01:38 AM
An entertaining movie. I enjoyed it right to the end, well at least up until the last 30 seconds. There I was thinking this was a cool movie and then I see the last thirty seconds and am completely confused. It's pretty amazing when something that happens in the last minute messes up the rest of the movie.

I mean, it's alright to leave a little hole at the end of a movie for it to lead into a sequal but this movie left a hole big enough for someone to drive a riding lawn mower through. So if they don't make a sequal, this movie is ruined at the end. If the do make one, however, the movie will be great and will eventually make perfect sence buti'll still feel that I had to wait 2 years andpay for another ticket just to see the ending of this movie.

Dispite it messed up ending, it a good moive and I suggest you check it out and see what you think about the ending.

Rating: If sequal = 8.5, if no sequal = 7.0

GonkH8er
07-28-2001, 02:29 AM
write me spoiler topic :)

or do a spoiler in this thread but change the text colour to that of the message background, like they do at tfn, so u have to select it to read it.

CaptainRAVE
07-28-2001, 11:04 AM
I havent seen the movie yet, i suppose i'll have to sometime.

calendar
07-29-2001, 12:35 AM
I saw it today... it was ok. There is definetly going to be a sequel. ;)

Roger
07-29-2001, 06:24 AM
It sucked... the original ruled because of the historical, social and political reference... This one didn't have any significance at all...

Just like the original Star wars rocked and Episode I sucked... Episode I has no political or social significance... Star Wars did...

If you don't know what I mean... read a history book or two...

CaptainRAVE
07-29-2001, 08:58 AM
Is it worth going to see then??

Roger
07-29-2001, 05:12 PM
No... exept if you're into costume design and/or make up design...

acdcfanbill
07-29-2001, 06:30 PM
what if you an NRA/Charlton Heston fan?

CaptainRAVE
07-29-2001, 07:11 PM
I never liked the original anyway

OnlyOneCanoli
07-30-2001, 12:19 AM
The movie was good. I didn't understand the last 30 seconds or so at all. I think it was good for a remake, and I recommend it.

Roger
07-30-2001, 02:15 AM
If you're an NRA/Heston fan you're lost... imho...

KordKelly
07-30-2001, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Roger:
[QB]It sucked... the original ruled because of the historical, social and political reference... This one didn't have any significance at all...

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You obviously didn't see the same movie I did...
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The whole movie was full of Gun Control and Animal Rights stuff!!
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And I liked it...It wasn't the original...but Tim Burton did a great storytelling job, and the ending, while not as shocking as the original,fit well and left open the possibility of sequel(s)
:D

[ July 30, 2001: Message edited by: KordKelly ]

OnlyOneCanoli
07-30-2001, 03:51 PM
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Still don't understand how civilization 300 years ago could be more advanced than 300 years into the future. I.E. At the end-cop cars and guns... that was about 2100's, and then beginning part of the movie was 2400's.
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Roger
07-30-2001, 05:51 PM
Time travelling can go into the future and the past plus there is also something called parallel universes...

I did see the movie and I didn't like it...

matt--
07-30-2001, 07:30 PM
I'm not one for time travel. It just can't be done. So I won't see it. :p

Roger
07-30-2001, 07:59 PM
It can be done... :cool:

Kurgan
07-30-2001, 08:05 PM
Yeah, I remember reading some science articles on it (wish I could remember where, so I could post 'em) saying that yes, Time Travel was possible.

I believe Einstein thought we could do it, and most of us have heard of wormholes.

Basically, you could setup a wormhole and then in the future, travel back to the wormhole you created. So the catch would be that you could only travel back to the place where that particular wormhole was built.

So you couldn't go back in time to 1950, unless there was a wormhole there. But there's debate as to whether you'd actually be in the same universe, and if paradox's would apply, etc.

Kurgan

matt--
07-30-2001, 08:35 PM
What I meant was that it can technically be done. You just can't change anything.

Look at it from a futuristic perspective. You've already gone back in time. Everything is the same. You must have failed to change anything.

The divergent realities theory may make it seem that it is possible to change the past, but as a parralel universe is created for every single choice we have, you don't chage anything. You just move to a different universe.

I remember an article about faster than light travel via wormholes. You'd also have to be at your endpoint in order to actually get there...kind of pointless.

Einstein thought that if we could go faster than light, we would go backwards in time. Unfortunately, that is impossible. As we approach lightspeed, mass is added to the ship to the point where it balloons to infinity. It is therefore more likely that the ship would become a blackhole rather than time travel.

We will never go faster than light according to today's physics. It is possible to warp space however(hence WARP drive).

Roger
07-30-2001, 08:52 PM
Ha ha ha ha...

Roger
07-30-2001, 08:54 PM
Ok let me explain my reaction...

If I were to go back in time and change something, it wouldn't look as a change to you... it would be your present/past time and you wouldn't notice anything changed...

The only person who would know anything has changed would be me!

matt--
07-30-2001, 09:04 PM
The way you just explained it.

No one would realize a change. No one would feel a need for a change. You(the you in the time you originally cam from), wouldn't realize it either. The only way you ensure that the change is fullfilled would be to stay in the time you made the change in. Then you would have to force yourself(in the original timeframe) to go back again, carefully explaining to him exactly what to do, and that the reson he is going back doesn't exist anymore. Either that or you go back in time. Make a change. Wait till your original time-travel date arrives and do it all over again. Either way you are going to end up forever repeating your actions, a slave to your past/present/future decisions. :p

wardz
07-30-2001, 09:10 PM
Well when you put it like that!

;)

wardz

matt--
07-30-2001, 09:13 PM
Ok...It's possible. It would just suck.
Besides, eventually you'll die. Then everything would revert back to the way it was before the time-travel.

Roger
07-30-2001, 09:36 PM
You see the me who is traveling in time as someone else as the one that is now... It is one and the same person! Only if I return to the now and that would be a point in time before I traveled back in time I would "see" myself... If I return to now after I traveled back in time I would return with full knowledge of what I changed in the past.

matt--
07-30-2001, 10:28 PM
Vut the original you wouldn't. Meaning he is extremely unlikely to risk time-travel over something that doesn't appear to actually matter. Let me diagram.

_Altered reality_
>no problem>>>no need to go back in time, ^original"normal reality" restored
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_Normal reality________________^
Problem>>>You go back in time>>^

Paradox! You'd be stuck.

[ July 30, 2001: Message edited by: matt-windu ]

Roger
07-30-2001, 10:46 PM
;)

acdcfanbill
07-31-2001, 01:12 AM
if anybody read Dinosaur World (i think its the name) based on a Ray Bradbury short story (there all short, but i dont remimber the name) was about the f-ups of time travel, a guy did so much damage to the past, that the future didnt exist anymore, the reasong for timetraveling, was to hunt big game dino's i believe...

matt--
07-31-2001, 01:22 AM
I think we can all understand time travel better if we watch the episode where Homer "fixes" that toaster. ;)

GonkH8er
07-31-2001, 03:34 AM
time travel backwards, not possible.

time travel forwards, possible, but u wouldnt be able to return.


ill explain later. im at school now (yes, i visit the forums during school.... SHAME! :))

matt--
07-31-2001, 03:39 AM
Chryogenics isn't time travel. It's just stasis.

PreTZeL
07-31-2001, 03:43 AM
maybe hes talking about some other type of forward time travel?
and its true...backwards time travel will never be possible

matt--
07-31-2001, 03:48 AM
Yay! More people that support the no-time travel theory! Yay!

Ever watch "Andromeda"? They use the principle that extreme gravity, such as that of a blackhole, slows down time as the base of their story. The Andromeda was dormant for 300 years, when it was pulled from the event horizon by a salvage crew.

PreTZeL
07-31-2001, 03:53 AM
what makes me believe it is this:

if someone could go "back in time" they would probably do it at some point, right?
now...along the course of the future, noone has yet to go back in time...and lets say, leave some sort of marking that they did...otherwise we probably would have discovered it in archeology right?
if they visited the cavemen, we would see some "pictures"...dinosaurs...maybe not, but theyd want to go "back" to show civilized humans it was done right?
so wed have historical accounts of it!
so obviously...humans are too stupid to figure out time travel, because noone has come back from the future to tell us about it...
i hope that makes as much sense as it does for me...
besides, we cant even get off the planet, how boring it is to not go explore other worlds...why bother with the impossible?

matt--
07-31-2001, 04:05 AM
This is the absolute test!
I hereby swear that I'll have myself or my children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. come back in time to this very moment at this very spot and tell me that time-travel is real.

*looks at watch*
*starts humming*
*mysterious figure appears in puff of smoke*
mysterious figure: lay off the booze
*mysterious figure leaves in a puff of smoke*

Why would I do this you say? If time-travel was real(in the future), I, being extremely greedy, would travel back to right now and give myself the schematics, ensuring that I would be rich!

Damn...Maybe he's just late. :( ;) :(

GonkH8er
07-31-2001, 05:51 AM
well the thing is, if someone were to go back in time, it would screw everything up. every little thing they did, moving 1 air molecule this way, pushing millions another way, causing a slight wind after a while, which someone may notice at a baseball game, then in turn altering conditions for an extra second, and the game result could be totally different. just as a crappy example, but u get the point. so essentially, going back in time any period would disrupt the entire future, causing you in turn NOT to have gone back in time at that specific moment, therefore creating a serious bugger-up in space-time. you did it, but because you did, you cant have done it.

going forwards in time would eliminate this problem though. as there is no history to screw up, your presence wouldnt be conflicting with any written history (theoretically)

apparently some guy is trying to slow down light moving in a circular pattern (because light affects space-time just as matter does apparently he says), and then when its really slow, and then shoot light in the opposite direction so space and time switch places or some crap, and theoretically he will be able to walk in, go round a few times and come out sometime else. all stuff and nonsense says i, but still.

the only way i forsee backwards time travel possible is if the existence of multiverses is proven and explored. possibly then maybe, and we would be going to our own past, but seeing as the one of the main multiverse theorums suggests the universi are constantly splitting, creating infinite histories in which every possible thing that could ever happen has, and our histories and all factions thereof has already split from there and is independent, travelling to this multiverse would not result in altering of historical events in our ever splitting world.

you see, there could be an infinite number of worlds out there where lucasarts doesnt exist. be thankful :)


argh ive forgotten what ive said. dont lash back at what i said.... do nothing more than go 'hrmmmmmm thats interesting...'. otherwise ill deny i ever said it :)


why am i even involving myself in this? tsk tsk tsk

PreTZeL
07-31-2001, 12:09 PM
good response, i agree totally
i would never WANT to go back/forward in time anyway

Boba Rhett
07-31-2001, 04:15 PM
Jeeez, I was exspecting this to get off topic but I thought it would be about monkeys or evolution or something but nooooooooo.

matt--
07-31-2001, 04:30 PM
But in the future they have a history. Therefore you would screw that up. You could end up creating the next Hitler. Would you wanna be respnsible for that?

Multiverses-I hate these the most of all. I believe in them somewhat, but the thought of when you get back...Am I in MY universe...or not
You'll never know!

GonkH8er
07-31-2001, 11:15 PM
ahhhh true, but the history of he future could be that you stepped into a time machine and went into the future, never to be seen again, until now, so it would all fit in. you wouldnt have returned to the past and lived your life. you would have been missing. itd all fit :)

matt--
08-01-2001, 12:13 AM
Then who would want to go? You're whole life would be practically destroyed if you jumped more than a few years.

Boba Rhett
08-01-2001, 12:31 AM
Hell, all you need is a month for the winning lotto numbers....

matt--
08-01-2001, 12:35 AM
We're talking about travelling into the future.

acdcfanbill
08-01-2001, 01:42 AM
maybe when you travel, you cannot change anything, or cannot be seen, because you are out of synch with your true time, you could prob watch stuff, but not interact and such, or maybe not. everyone knows H.G. Wells traveled time, oh, and so did Iron Man. duh!

matt--
08-01-2001, 01:47 AM
Well technically, by the time I post it, you're reading the past. Words heard by others are echoes from the past.

PreTZeL
08-01-2001, 01:49 AM
matt, everything you say is really logical, at least to me, do you spend a lot of time contemplating this sort of thing??

matt--
08-01-2001, 01:52 AM
Well I would say I do...but technically not anymore.

And a more straight-forward answer:
no

PreTZeL
08-01-2001, 01:58 AM
oh ok...and btw i wasnt being sarcastic...your thoughts enlighten me