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reg
12-31-1999, 04:00 AM
yes

WD_ToRMeNt
09-11-2001, 11:56 PM
In the City of York there will be a great collapse,
Two twin brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the phortress phalls,
The great leader will succumb,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning. -Nostradamus, 1654

matt--
09-12-2001, 12:13 AM
:eek:

Didn't Nostradamus write the exact time that people will find the paper in his pocket, after he died?

Vagabond
09-12-2001, 01:00 AM
Can you post a link to your source, Torment? I've done some research on the web and can't find a quote that even resembles what you've stated.

digl
09-12-2001, 01:05 AM
Its true
I saw the same quote in a chilean forum, except it said in the city of God

WD_ToRMeNt
09-12-2001, 01:09 AM
Ummm somethink like that matt. I thin it was the day and hour he died though. I could be wrong.

Vagabond
09-12-2001, 01:10 AM
Again, I'd like to see a link.

TheJackal_jk2
09-12-2001, 01:31 AM
I posted that exactly on the <a href="http://forums.galacticbattles.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=745">Premier GalaticBattles Forums</a>. I got it from a friend who is a nuts about prophecies.

Originally posted by TheJackal

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers
torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader
will succumb" ... "The third big war will begin when the big
city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654

I want to bring back the spotlight to this quote. My brother said that the two towers are sisters not brothers, so ww3 will not start. Nostradamus has been known not to be precise, however he is very damn close. Example: He predicted the man to cause ww2 was a man named Hisler. There is a ONE letter difference between Hitler and Hisler


[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: TheJackal ]

TheJackal_jk2
09-12-2001, 01:39 AM
I found a good link: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/nostradamus/part6/


World War III (part 6)
===

a. Overview: horrible battles, weapons, devastation, death
b. Nuclear confrontation in the Middle East
c. Mediterranean campaign and the battles of Gibraltar

d. Bomb sent at New York by the Antichrist, France retaliates
e. Bacteriological warfare strikes New York and London
f. Antichrist conquers Europe

g. The Antichrist invades Britain
h. The crucial meeting on the naval carrier
i. Seas, rivers, lakes boil; famines lead to insane cannibalism

j. Antichrist's commander succumbs to key strategic failure
k. Russia breaks free of the Antichrist
l. North Pole Alliance of North America, Europe, Russia forms
m. Ogmios confronts the Antichrist, fate of world in balance
n. Antichrist eventually dethroned


a. Overview: horrible battles, weapons, devastation, death
===

I. p.55

Because of the new awareness the western civilization has come upon,
and because of the accelerated rate of the shifting of the earth's
crust, and because of the conjunction of the planets, the war *might*
be avoided. Depending on the speed at which the natural events occur.
For as in any civilization, when natural disasters occur this is more
prominent than military conquest.

I p252 (cII-40)

During the time of troubles and WWWIII there will be massive naval,
air, and land battles. The ultra-secret weapons that are brought
forth will shock and stun the world.

I p 272 (cVIII-17)

The Antichrist will not hesitate to use bacteriological warfare as
well as conventional warfare, causing hunger, fire and plagues. The
causative organisms will be more virulent than ever and hence
increasingly lethal.

I p 253 (cII-18)

When the Antichrist is taking over Europe, nuclear weapons will wreak
havoc like lighting strikes, and from them a "milky rain" will occur.
Weapons currently beyond our imagination will wreak unparalleled
devastation. Corpses will litter the landscape. The very earth will
"cry out in pain". The Antichrist will be so terrible, horrible, and
powerful that the rightful rulers of countries will be utterly
terrified and will not do anything to stop his ravages. Entire
dynasties will be wiped out.

I p 254 (cIII-19)

Before the Antichrist takes over a place, he will rain down death and
destruction so that he can seize without opposition. He will travel
far from his resting place in doing this. Some of this devastation
will make past heinous events of the prior world wars "look like
child's play". Unlike Hitler's "rain of blood" he will use a "rain of
blood and milk."

b. Nuclear confrontation in the Middle East
===

I p252 (cII-60)

A major nuclear confrontation will occur in the Middle East. The
aggressor will have broken a promise not to use nuclear weapons in
warfare. Naval fleets kept in the area by other powers will be
scattered in ruins from the violence of the blast.

Radioactive fallout and its effect on people, animals, and weather,
and erupting volcanoes will turn the water of that part of the ocean
a muddy red color. Because of this bodies will appear to float in
blood. Because of the blasts and earth changes, rivers will change
their course, and political boundary lines based on them will be
redrawn.

The U.S. will have a Democratic president at the time. He will get
involved with the conflict as a way of trying to stimulate the
economy from a depression.

c. Mediterranean campaign and the battles of Gibraltar
===

I p 225 (cIII-10)

The Antichrist, during the Mediterranean campaign, will take over
Monaco as a crucial strategic position to advancing to Italy and
southern Europe. The successor to Prince Ranier, apparently one of
his sons, will be imprisoned after the takeover as an obstacle.

I p 230 (cI-77)

In the Antichrist's Mediterranean battle Gibraltar will play a key
role. The key general, a naval officer, will succeed in saving
Gibraltar from the Antichrist's forces but will later die in an
automobile accident.

I p 235 (cI-71)

The Rock of Gibraltar will be a strategic position, captured and
retaken three times by various forces.

I p 232 (cI-98)

Marines on naval battlecarriers will confront the Antichrist when he
attempts to invade Eurpoe in the area of Crete and Thessaly, but they
will be outgunned and have to retreat probably to Gibraltar. In the
very fierce and bloody battle the Antichrist will have to transfer
many of his troops to a supply ship after a fighting ship is sunk.


d. Bomb sent at New York by the Antichrist, France retaliates
===

I p 250 (cVI-97)

In WWWIII many existing diplomatic ties between nations will be broken
and realigned. One that will continue to hold however is the alliance
between France and the U.S. A force aligned with the Antichrist will
send a bomb aimed at New York City. It will be spotted and tracked as
it approaches. The U.S. defense system will feverishly concentrate on
diverting or disabling the bomb, and the U.S. will not be able to
retaliate. As proof of their loyalty the French are asked to
retaliate, which they do with several bombs and weapons.

The response will be immediate. The American leader uses a hotline to
communicate to the French Marshal, who launches self-propelled bombs
with "tongues of fire" against the aggressor. In this war some of
the bombs will hit New York and some will be diverted. The bomb
referred to here will be prematurely detonated along the flightpath,
saving the city. Many human lives will be spent when planes flying
around the bomb, trying to divert or destroy it, are blown up.

e. Bacteriological warfare strikes New York and London
===

I p242 (cII-6)

New York and in London will be hit with scourges from bacteriological
warfare, a deadly "bug", either bacteria or virus or some type of
disease-causing organism. It will be released into the atmosphere to
affect the populations of New York and London. Because of separation
and different gene pools, spontaneous mutations in the organisms
will affect the two populations in different ways. It will appear to
be two different diseases even though it was caused by the same
organism.

As a result of this plague the metropolitan infrastructures will break
down. The people near but outside the cities will panic and shun the
cities and refuse to deliver available food, effectively putting them
into quarantine. The city dwellers will starve to death in droves.
People will loot and raid stores, and soldiers will stab them off at
bayonet point. The government will try to evenly distribute the
remaining food but the people will panic and they call on God to
relieve them from their misery.


f. Antichrist conquers Europe
===

I p 278 (cIX-73)

The Antichrist will take over Europe and begin to toy with the idea of
establishing some kind of dynasty. Because of his background he is
obsessed with power and attracted to the way that a ruling family
line can have a major effect on the flow of history, manipulating
society over a long span of time through familial line, far beyond
the influence of a single individual. But his plans will not
materialize because he is overthrown by Ogmios and his monstrosities
will be counterbalanced with positive forces to heal the earth,
directed by the Great Genius.


g. The Antichrist invades Britain
===

I p 230 (cII-68)

In his European campaign the Antichrist will attempt to overtake
Britain, particularly to seize its naval forces for further advances.
England will resist and initially fend off the advance, with support
from the U.S. However, it is likely that the Antichrist will
eventually overcome England and the more passionate members of the
underground will flee to Ireland and Scotland. The Antichrist will
not succeed in overtaking the entire island. North England, Scotland,
and Ireland will not succumb, possibly aiding the reunification of
Ireland to fight the Antichrist. Patriotic and stubborn Irish and
Scottish spirit will play a favorable role in turning the tide.

I. p 228 (cIII-16)

The British prince, a member of the English royal house, will be eager
to lead his troops into battle to defend his own and neighboring
countries that have treaties with Britain. He will confront the
Antichrist's forces in two major engagements and will be defeated in
one. He will be outflanked and will have to retreat in disgrace.

Nevertheless the opposing forces will curse him because he was a
valiant fighter, and his brashly engaging in battle disrupted some of
the Antichrist's carefully laid plans for the conquest of Europe. The
man will return to England and the population will give him a hero's
welcome for his bravery despite the defeat.


h. The crucial meeting on the naval carrier
===

I p 257 (cII-75)

During WWWIII and the great turmoil, an airplane will come for a
landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier. It will be from a nation
foreign to the country that owns the carrier. The balance of
political powers of the two sides involved will be very complex and
delicate.

The plane is from a power "slightly more aligned to the other side"
although still basically neutral. But to have any kind of contact
with the country that owns the carrier would have severe political
repercussions relative to the war, so the generals of the carrier are
reluctant to give permission to the plane to land. The plane will
carry an important political or military leader and an important
emissary who needs to deliver important documents and messages. The
situation will be very fragile and volatile.

i. Seas, rivers, lakes boil; famines lead to insane cannibalism
===

I p 257 (cII-75)

During WWWIII shipping and normal trade will be seriously disrupted.
Some countries will have excesses of food, such as bushels of wheat,
but the price will be so out of proportion that no one will be able
to buy it. In countries where there is famine, people will resort to
cannibalism to stay alive. The wheat in other countries will be
stored in silos and rot because they cannot get rid of it, cannot
sell it. The price of the wheat is enormous in cost partly because it
is very dangerous to deliver or ship it anywhere during wartime.

I p 251 (cV-98)

A very great drought will occur in the European continent during the
time of the Antichrist. Fish will die as seas, rivers, and lakes
boil. The Antichrist will be behind it. This event is not the same
but is related to the boiling fish at the Dark Point (I p 181,
cII-3). Two sites will be in distress from "fire in the sky".

I p 268 (cII-18)

The extremes in weather during the time of the Antichrist will affect
a battle. Extreme rain and hail will take by surprise two armies
lined up to do battle. As an alternative plan to confrontation they
try to fly planes above the clouds to drop bombs on the opposing
forces, "fire and stones falling from the sky".

I p168 (cIX-31)

The earth, after a relative period of peace, will suffer a great
natural disaster, involving severe earthquakes that rip the crust
open, spewing lava. The major earthquake will trigger other
earthquakes that will destroy large land areas. Famine and fighting
will set in. Countries will fight with each other over surplus food:
India and China will march to seize the corn and wheat fields of
Russia and eastern Europe. Communications will break down. Religious
leaders will lose credibility because of the inability to explain the
earth changes. Christianity will falter.

I p 259 (cI-67)

The climactic changes caused by the detonation of the terrible weapons
will cause famines in scattered areas, and conditions will get worse.
The uninhabitable regions will continue to grow until the areas
connect large surfaces of the earth's land masses, and the majority
of humanity will be suffering. People will become virtually insane
with the persistent lack of food, and will eat things like tree
roots, and even seize newborn infants.


j. Antichrist's commander succumbs to key strategic failure

I p 272 (cVI-33)

The Anti-Christ's surpreme commander will make a major failure
of judgement on the field in an extremely strategic battle
and the bulk of his forces
are captured or killed. The supreme commander misuses some
technology that has not yet been developed, causing his downfall.

k. Russia breaks free of the Antichrist
===

I p 272 (cVI-21)

The Antichrist will seem all powerful and all conquering and the
situation will appear hopeless. But "his star will be falling" and
his power will crack in crucial places. The U.S., Canada, Russia, and
later, northern Europe, unite together. In particular, even though
the Antichrist has taken over all of Asia, after a period he is no
longer able to control Russia. Russia breaks free and unites with the
unconquered countries.

The alliance strikes terror into the Antichrist who glimpses the
beginning of the end and his potential failure. He chooses another
field commander to continue his campaign, but the effort fails.
Rhodes and Byzantium, the site of his regional headquarters, will be
engaged in the most intense fighting. The "northern pole alliance"
will diminish his power by breaking down his chain of command,
communication capabilities, etc. and attempt to break his
stranglehold on his conquered territories. This is the beginning of a
turning point in WWWIII.

l. North Pole Alliance of North America, Europe, Russia forms

I p 272 (cVIII-17)

At a point the Antichrist's forces become complacent from so many
frequent and rapid conquests. They will begin to lose some battles
and see their power is not forever.

The Antichrist will have taken over a large part of the world and will
become complacent. "Three brothers", the "alliance of the pole", i.e.
North America, Europe, and Russia, will trouble the Antichrist and
his world will tremble. France will be united with the alliance in
spirit, if not actually physically, because the country will weakened
seriously from the Antichrist's degradations.

m. Ogmios confronts the Antichrist, fate of world in balance

I p 273 (cV-80)

A leader figuratively referred to as "Ogmios" will confront the
Antichrist in battle. The crux of the pivotal struggle of WWWIII will
be in the "gray area" between Europe and Asia. The outcome will be
questionable for some time. During the time the Antichrist is in
power there will be constant skirmishes and battles between his
barbarian forces and those still free of his tyrannical rule.

I p 277 (cII-85)

Ogmios will eventually emerge triumphantly victorious over the
Antichrist, but it will be a long, gradual, arduous struggle.

n. Antichrist eventually dethroned

I p 278 (cIX-73)

The Antichrist will rule for "less than the revolution of Saturn"
(29.5 years), far less than the grand span of time he envisions. His
reign will be temporary, because his power is like building a fire
with grass; it burns very hotly but quickly. His effect on history
and his "time in the limelight" will be limited. The time from WWII
to the end of WWWIII and the time of troubles will almost encompass
a century in itself.

Hannibal
09-12-2001, 01:41 AM
Woudn't Jerusalem be the city of God?

Vagabond
09-12-2001, 01:44 AM
Jackal, I saw that same material you just posted, but again, it doesn't refer to the "twin brothers" things. And regarding sisters rather than brothers, it's all semantics, and I wouldn't get too wrapped up in such a trival detail. Technically, they're its, as the towers have no genitalia.

So again, any official link for this "brothers" quote?

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: Vagabond ]

TheJackal_jk2
09-12-2001, 01:51 AM
Yeah i know. this is just ''guessing''. But it is to freaken close to today's world.

A US economic depression. Middle East wars. Anarchists (we have seen a rise of these especially at the WorldSumit at Québec)

It sends a chill up my spin.

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: TheJackal ]

Vagabond
09-12-2001, 01:57 AM
Well, don't get too weirded out. As you mentioned, N wasn't perfect in his predictions. And least we forget a lesson from the master - always in motion is the future :)

OnlyOneCanoli
09-12-2001, 02:26 AM
Yes, this quote is legitimate, as I've seen it at other forums, especially TF.N.

I do not believe it, however. I have to hand it to the guy, he was right on some occasions, but you cannot be labeled a prophet if you are wrong, at least IMO. And he has been wrong several times. Weren't we supposed to die last year?

Actually, I heard a different quote.

Most importantly, it says the city of God (which is NOT NYC), and it says that the fortress endures. So somebody messed up somewhere.

Darth Simpson
09-12-2001, 04:50 AM
Didn't Nostradamus predict that the world would end by the year 2000 too?

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: Darth Simpson ]

Kurgan
09-12-2001, 05:01 AM
Nostradamus if full of crap. I've seen plenty of his so-called "prophecies" debunked.

Ever wonder why if he could predict the future so well, that people never realise what his stuff "really means" until after it happens? Except of course the end of the world, which EVERYONE knows when it's going to happen (they've been predicting the end, be it by war, disaster or what have you for thousands of years).

His "prophecies" are so vague, you can pretty much apply them to anything, like any good fortune teller or commercial psyhic will tell you.. it's good business.

Just like the Bible Code (ELS; which also works with Moby Dick I might add), they will produce whatever results you want if you just stretch, twist, and ignore certain parts, to make all the pieces fit.

It's just bs.. pure and simple. Nostradamus didn't predict this attack, he didn't predict the end of the world, and he didn't predict George W. Bush either. He died a long time ago and didn't know about any of these events, sorry to break it to you.

Besides, if he could predict the future and we couldn't stop it from happening, wouldn't that be just admitting we have no free will, and that our lives are ruled by destiny? Then there'd be absolutely no value in knowing his prophecies were true anyway!

In the City of York there will be a great collapse,
Two twin brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the phortress phalls,
The great leader will succumb,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning

Incidentally, I heard the quote was "The Holy City" not "The City of York." If you could share your source (ie: the online e-text of Nostradamus's complete works, searchable of course), we could debunk it together. Though personally I think it's a waste of time, I haven't seen anything in his writings to think he had any sort of real prophetic powers.

Note that the link posted above is INTERPRETATIONS, not the actual text. Nostradamus wrote in French, if I recall, so the "one letter difference" in any word would be irrelevant anyway. Just because two words look similar (in different languages) doesn't mean they have the same meaning.

Kurgan

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: Kurgan ]

Argath
09-12-2001, 05:05 AM
It's BS. The fact that it's been making its way around a number of internet communities doesn't make it any more credible. That just means that people have been copying and pasting the quote to show other people. Try to keep in mind that other internet forums aren't really adequate references.

If it was a legitimate prophecy, it would be referenced with Quatrain number and whatnot like all other real Nostradamus quotations. It would also help if the listed year was somewhat believable; Nostradamus died in 1556.

Anyway, these fabricated Nostradamus quotations suddenly pop up every time something like this happens. When Bush was elected, a quotation about a village idiot coming to power surfaced, yet it was strangely not found in any of Nostradamus' real writings.

Another stupid fake quotation I've seen for the WTC disaster is:

"On the 11th day of the 9 month that...two metal birds would crash into two tall statues...in the new city...and the world will end soon after"-Nostradamus 1654

That one, like the previous, is fabricated. Don't believe everything you read, especially when that material is found on the internet, a medium notorious for misinformation.

Kurgan
09-12-2001, 05:11 AM
Well put.

Kurgan

ReAcToR
09-12-2001, 09:07 PM
In the City of York there will be a great collapse,
Two twin brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the phortress phalls,
The great leader will succumb,
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning. -Nostradamus, 1654


Sickening to see how people make a joke out of such matters. I'm not talking about the people who are ignorant of Nostradamus(like those of this forum), but those who fabricate quotes. I've studied the complete prophecies of Nostradamus in the past and can tell you that not only is the quote above a fake, there is nothing that is even similar, written by Nostradamus. People who fabricate these quotes and use scare tactics and jokes in a time like this, should be ashamed of themselves.


A US economic depression. Middle East wars. Anarchists (we have seen a rise of these especially at the WorldSumit at Québec).


The US isn't in an economic depression. You could theorize that we are in a recession, but definitely not a depression. There have always been wars in the middle east and may always be. There have always been anarchists. I wouldn't say that there is a rise in anarchists, there is just a rise in individuals who aren't afraid to admit that they are anarchists.


Didn't Nostradamus predict that the world would end by the year 2000 too?


Nostradamus has predicted alot of things, most of which have never come true and probably never will. The more you study the prophecies, the more you'll see them as a fraud(in my experience at least).


He predicted the man to cause ww2 was a man named Hisler. There is a ONE letter difference between Hitler and Hisler.


I've always head that myself, so I just went upstairs and looked through the index of "The Complete Prophecies of Nostradamus" by Henry C. Roberts, for Hitler and in the 22 sections that were suppose to describe Hitler, not one of them uses the word Hitler, Hisler or anything similar.

My father used to say something interesting to me that has helped me through life.

"Believe 1/2 of what you see and none of what you read."

I think everyone should take that to heart.

Obi Kwan
09-12-2001, 09:33 PM
Look what I found:

"The following quatrain has been circulating the Internet after the WTC bombings.

In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
two brothers torn apart by chaos,
while the fortress endures, the great leader will sucumb.
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning.

It is NOT by Nostradamus.

The original source may be <A HREF="http://www.ed.brocku.ca/~nmarshal/nostradamus.htm."" TARGET=_blank>http://www.ed.brocku.ca/~nmarshal/nostradamus.htm."</A>

This was on http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/cityofgod.html

Darien
09-12-2001, 10:18 PM
Im pretty sure the "Hisler" thing was propaganda in WW2. Not sure by who though...

KillerBee
09-12-2001, 10:53 PM
the original french says "hister"

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: KillerBee ]

Darien
09-12-2001, 10:57 PM
whaterver, still propoganda.

Ice Man
09-12-2001, 11:05 PM
The only prophecies that I believe to be 100% true are the ones in the Bible. If you compare Old Testament and New Testament, you find that the NT fulfills OT prophecy, and the only prophecies left unfulfilled are those about the end times.
I hope I didn't offend anyone. I live by my convictions and you live by yours.

KillerBee
09-12-2001, 11:12 PM
well as he died in 1566 it would have been hard to be at that date :)