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[TE]DarthBob
12-05-2001, 11:44 PM
Which clans already established in the JK realm are posed to lead the charge?

Kwup
12-06-2001, 04:55 PM
The Kwup Clan silly

Cobalt60
12-07-2001, 02:25 PM
<a href="http://www.extraterrestrial-intelligence.com"><img src="http://www.extraterrestrial-intelligence.com/pic/ETI00.jpg" border=0></a>



(click the pic; join ETI)
(you know you wanna)

Haazt
12-08-2001, 02:01 AM
THE UNHOLY SCARABS (http://pub79.ezboard.com/btheunholyscarabs)

Lord Chief
12-08-2001, 08:20 AM
Id say LSF would also qualify for that, just as some other grand clans such as WLP

Vagabond
12-08-2001, 09:33 AM
Well, [TE]DarthBob, you managed to get all of them to take the bait. Fine bit of trolling ;)

Just kidding...carry on.

NuForce
12-16-2001, 08:39 PM
[TE]DarthBob,

:fett: You forgot to tell them about "The Empire". We are an established JKII clan.

Check us out.

www.theempireclan.com

:fett: [TE]NuForce :atat:

[TE]DarthBob
12-20-2001, 10:44 AM
Oh, I was getting there Lord Nu-force.

It's not the east or the west side (Nu-force: No it's not!)
its not the north or south side (Nu-force: No its not!)
its the dark side!! ( Nu-Force: u r correct!!! )

That's right, we got the Deathstar and we are coming to galaxy clan league near you. The Empire is looking for an established JK clan that wishes to ally with The Empire. For contribution in your "Force Power" techniques, we will spare you and demonstrate our Q3:EF powers. Together we share rule the Galaxy!!!! <insert evil laugh>

Um....ok....I've been watching the Star Wars Gangsta Rap wayyyyy to many times. Click here and all will reveal itself: http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/atom_1403

[TE]DarthBob
01-02-2002, 06:17 PM
No flames yet? Hello...is this thing on?

[TE]BiocYte[OO]
01-04-2002, 03:25 PM
lol

I know right.....hello is this thing on??

:p

V1Ru5
01-11-2002, 02:22 PM
ROFL biocycte!!!

I knew it wouldnt be long b4 [oo] showed :)

well...just to let all know that UK / USA EF champions clan =CCC= will
be entering into Jedi Outcast

You wanna play with some serious nutters and have a laugh while owning the world.......join us

cya on the battlefield [oo]....good to c u lads in JO and look forward to lopping your arm off with me trusty saber ;)

=CCC=V1Ru5
----------------
www.clanccc.co.uk

[TE]BiocYte[OO]
01-11-2002, 04:19 PM
Good to see you 2 man!

We definatly will meet on the Battlefield but its your arm that will be chopped off ;)

"that didnt hurt....it's just a flesh wound"

:D

DeathBoLT
01-11-2002, 09:27 PM
The best competitive clans in JK currently do not post on and probably don't even check JKII.net forums. This has led to the 'elites' being unrepresented when RAVEN comes to these forums for suggestions and to get the opinions of the fan base.

Time has mostly killed JK's competitive population; the very best clans, that are legends, if you will, amoungst today's existing clans have long moved on to other games. The few remaining ones do not actually compete in anything to the best of my knowledge. They simply just play, some times getting into little feuds with each other over petty little things, simply because theres nothing else to do in JK anymore, beyond playing it.

DeathBoLT
01-14-2002, 02:55 PM
actually clans that I know have kept it together mostly have moved onto other games

TF - Team Fusion(top JK CTF clan, consistently held top 10 ranks in Tribes 1/2.

SyK - Sykotic(mediocre clan in JK at best, but, as I've heard, has become an strong clan in other games)

IRN- Iron Knights(top JK clan, currently in CS I believe)

ETI- Extrerestrial Intelligence(pretty good if i recall)

HDK-Heavy Duty Killers(up there in JK, primarily strong in UT)

some others Ive forgotten


when i say top clan,etc. in relation to JK im refering to them as they were in their prime in JK

Poopypants
01-17-2002, 01:39 PM
Three or Four years ago I was briefly (like 3 months) part of the Phantom Jedi Elite clan for DF2;JK, and there were some cool folks about. Any of you still alive?

I lost touch when I went back to school. But PJE_Meat is back with a vengeance! That's me trying to sound badarse.

Folks like Cyberdemon, Firebird, etc. Anybody still around?

I tried to access the ole website, but it wouldn't load. Anywho, I'm looking to gang up with a bunch of folks. For anybody recruiting, message me. I guarantee you I don't suck, and I don't intend for that to change.

--Monsieur Poopypants.

GSpoT_JCS
01-17-2002, 02:47 PM
To add on what DeathBolt says which I dont know if he remembers me but I am former HDK_MetalNeo most the top clans r not represented here at all. And most the top clans are resurfacing with the release of JK2 drawing closer and although Deathbolt names some good clans he forgets some new top clans that have come about with old legends coming back to revive them and some old clans brought back.

I just wanted to take some time to list some top clans I still see on the zone.

JaG, HDK, JCS, END, KDE which used to be DE, and VDS i suppose hehe.

By the way clans such as WLP are highly organized and populated but talented or great let me think no lmao.

GSpoT_JCS

DeathBoLT
01-17-2002, 03:02 PM
actually part of the criteria for being part of the clans i listed was actually being able to move on to other games as a organized fore and excel on the ladders at other games..

sure END, VDS, dP, etc. etc. are fairly strong guilds in JK, but they've not demonstrated the ability to be able to adapt to other games.. im not saying they can't but I won't believe it until i see it..

:)

Zodiac
01-17-2002, 11:15 PM
You can't just ask Whats the best JK clan. You'd have to categorize the JK clans, or everything'd be a mess.

And I'm not only talking about NF or FF or guns, I'm also talking about years. JK has changed a lot from when it first started, the gameplay has changed, the players have changed.

But you'd also have to set criteria of what the best clan actually means.
Is "the best clan":
- the one with the biggest amount of "elite" players?
- the one whith the most trophies?
- the one with the most active players?
- etc

You can't just ask: ***BEST JK CLAN? = choose from EA/IRN/JCS/DE/HDK/VDS/WLP etc***. That's not fair because they all have their strong and weak points.

Categorizing the best JK clan is the best way to get an objective point of view work. You'd have to do something like this:
best nf gunning clan in 1997
best nf gunning clan in 1998
best nf gunning clan in 1999
best nf gunning clan in 2000
best current nf gunning clan
best nf gunning clan ever
best ff gunning clan in 1997
best ff gunning clan in 1998
best ff gunning clan in 1999
best ff gunning clan in 2000
best current ff gunning clan
best ff gunning clan ever
best nf saber clan in 1997
best nf saber clan in 1998
best nf saber clan in 1999
best nf saber clan in 2000
best current nf saber clan
etc
etc.
A lot of work, but the conclusions would be fair.

but oh well.. what is "the best"?:-?

Poopypants
01-18-2002, 01:26 AM
I'm the best.

--The Mighty Pants.

PS: What were we talking about again?

Vanion VDS
01-18-2002, 04:08 AM
poopypants! UR COOL! hehe

Kodaichi Kuno
01-18-2002, 08:15 AM
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I've been in a few JK clans in my time.

I'd say the best Clans are one's who combine an active Roster of skilled players and are led by someone who actually care's about the clan.

Meaning not just a load of people beating the midichloreans out of each other. But a clan with tournaments that work and awards that work.

Out of the clans I've been in I would commend the Leviathan and Holy Clans. Cuz they had both, and their own Levels. Leviathan had a JK race curcuit, sounds weir but it's great! And I topped the award list (woo hoo)

Http://turn.to/leviathan

Http://browse.to/holy


I hope these clans will be doing something for JO.
Guess I'll see you all then.

Look out for the Black Rose, saber fans!:atat:

~ Lev Kelly / Holy Kelly. ~

Wilhuf
01-18-2002, 12:44 PM
The best competitive clans in JK currently do not post on and probably don't even check JKII.net forums. This has led to the 'elites' being unrepresented when RAVEN comes to these forums for suggestions and to get the opinions of the fan base.

'The squeaky wheel gets the oil.' Those who show up get the resources. There is nothing stopping any of the self-proclaimed elite from participating here.

Of course the assumption you've made, that the elite base of player, and therefore elite opinion, is found in clans, is wrong. Although your quotation around 'elite' suggests that competetive clans may not in fact be the cream of the crop.

Presumably the 'elite' suggestions would focus mainly on making sure that Jedi Outcast was basically a Jedi Knight/MotS clone. Same gameplay, same force powers, same weapons, same network code, etc. Presumably they have no answers to the questions : 'Why change the game if you already understand how to play it well? Why learn anything new if you like and have mastered something? Why can't Raven make it as easy as possible for me so I don't have to master something new?'

No doubt there will be exceptions to this thinking among some long-time clanners. It would be especially nice to hear their opinions.

In any case, all are welcome and encouraged to participate here.

DeathBoLT
01-18-2002, 11:59 PM
There is nothing stopping any of the self-proclaimed elite from participating here.

I absolutely agree with you on this.. In fact, I was actually criticizing the best competitive clans for their lack of participation. Additional criticism goes to those who did show up, but showed their superior brain power when they decided it was a better strategy to drop the constructive, rational argument routine and start flaming everyone who dared disagreeing with them.. :\

Although your quotation around 'elite' suggests that competetive clans may not in fact be the cream of the crop.
I use the word elite interchangeably with competitive players, hardcores, etc., simply because thats just one way(albeit its probably a lousy one) of describing the top competitive players.

Presumably the 'elite' suggestions would focus mainly on making sure that Jedi Outcast was basically a Jedi Knight/MotS clone. Same gameplay, same force powers, same weapons, same network code, etc.
Well, on most of the stuff you mentioned, the competitive gamer community's opinions varies. People that want the same netcode are the ones who benefitted from being laggy. People that want the force powers to work exactly alike tend to be current jk players and the ones that have spent forever getting to the skill level they are on with the current strategies, and when they're in their prime in JK, they are afraid of being a newbie again.

Its primarly the basic stuff, like the centripetal force factor in movement, that most of the competitive JK players(that ive talked to) start thinking alike on. Thats the sort of thing that most compettive JK players think are as signifcant as the presence of force powers and lightsabers.

No doubt there will be exceptions to this thinking among some long-time clanners. It would be especially nice to hear their opinions.
Well, compettive JK players that have been playing JK for ages, and contiue to do so, are usually either doing it because they have pos computers, or are stuck in a rut. Today's competitve scene is pretty much filled with people in a rut, who don't want to try something new. When I refer to compettive gamers, I primarily think about the old, no longer playing JK ones probably more than I do about the current ones.

NuForce
01-19-2002, 01:28 PM
Let me clairify something here. www.theempireclan.com is a (soon to be) powerful Jedi Knight II clan that eagerly awaits the release of the JK2. I'm not sure what StarWars game you folks are talking about but, The Empire-Obsidian Order Clan is a multiplayer first-person shoot clan that is currently one of the top clans in the StarTrek Eliteforce League.

I'm afraid that you clanners who are not playing a multiplayer first person shoot think they are going to walk in and start kicking butt on the new Quake III driven Jedi Knight 2 game better be prepare to die like a newbie. ;)

Look for you on the Fragging Fields,

:fett: [TE]NuForce[OO]

DeathBoLT
01-20-2002, 03:09 AM
We are referring to Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight, which JK2 is a sequel to.

And assuming force, etc. will be even remotely like JK(which probably has the same chance that skills in quake3, elite force carry over), you will find out that you're playing a incredibly fast paced game, where height and distance present no obstacle to reaching your destination. The shortcuts opened up by speed/jump* are amazing. Utilizing curves and bumps on the floors/walls of map, you are able to virtually fly using them as ramps. In the most popular sabers level, Battleground Jedi, there isn't a part that you cannot reach in a second, through speed-jump force use. You can dance around using the whole level as for cover, virtually leaping from behind one barrier to another across the map in mere seconds competely evading enemy fire. And all that is possible with just 2 force powers of the 14 offered in Jedi Knight. As you can expect, this entailed a great learning curve where many of the abilities and many of the tactics used in NF Guns/Sabers** aren't useful in FF Guns/Sabers***. Many clans formed divisions of people that played ff in the same manner that some clans would form divisions for other games

*=Speed/Jump... using Force Speed and Force Jump to basically do running jumps at mach 4 :P

**=NF Guns/Sabers refers to No Force(no force is available at all) Guns, which resembled your typical FPSer, and Sabers, which was basically saber duels without force. :P

***= FF Guns/Sabers refers to Full Force(all force powers are available) Guns and Sabers, which do not resemble any FPSer I can think of.

Hopefully that made sense hehe :P
Either way, if you've got JK(it can most likely be found in your bargain bin(if even there) at your local computer store, i'd be happy to show you what I mean: my icq# is 55920286 and my zone nick is _Deathbolt(althought i don't use it frequently).

DigitalVapor
01-25-2002, 07:38 PM
I happened to be the VP of an elite clan that found its home on America Online, We saw to the fall of many clans (some of which i cant even remember at this point). We were the primary enemy of F.O.R.C.E., we saw to the destruction of Young Bloods and the complete anihilation of NEB (I still have no idea what NEB means). We also fought against Mercenaries of Death. The list goes on. Now, some of what has been said here is true, There are aspects of JK that i dont want to change. For example I loved the COG scripting, it was so simple that it was easy to modify JK to my liking. The ability to dramaticaly edit the texturing and models, made it one of the most customizable games ever. Now I am all for JO no matter what, but I just hope it will be editable. By the way, my clan? The Phantom Knights

[TE]BiocYte[OO]
01-26-2002, 12:46 PM
But the 2 ppl on this thread that I am looking forward to fragging are:

Deathbolt (because he knows everything)

DigitalVapor (because he thinks everyone knows who the Phantom Knights are)

:D:D :D :D :D

CaptainRAVE
01-26-2002, 12:52 PM
Noone will ever frag me ;)

[TE]DarthBob
01-26-2002, 01:05 PM
Now now Bio, here's a banana and leave DeathBolt alone. I like to hear his views on the use of force powers and such.

But feel free to go ape on DigitalFart.

[TE]BiocYte[OO]
01-27-2002, 12:11 AM
I will not frag you now.....(me is eating banana)

:p

Zodiac
01-27-2002, 01:17 PM
gunners are weird. ;)

and who are the phantom knights?


these icons are so weird too :atat: :P

DigitalVapor
01-28-2002, 03:40 PM
I never expected any of you to know the Phantom Knights. One of our key traits was as the name suggests...Stealth. We didn't like the mainstream anyway, too many people wasting your time while you are busy training can be a hassle. We picked and chose our fights. We also tended to lean more towards decimating clans who claimed to be "the best" or clans formed by former enemies, and especialy those who tended to get "too powerful". But don't get me wrong, I NEVER SAID WE WERE THE BEST EITHER. But the operation method we used was simple- Be unknown, stay hidden, strike when neeeded. This allowed us to take our enemies by surprise. Tell me, if you came accross a clan that you'd never heard of, and they challenged you...WOULD YOU THINK THEY WERE A THREAT? Think SITH, people. But that was also a long time ago. I felt that a little publicity would help with gaining "official recognition" oh and...BRING IT ON MONKEY BOY :)

DigitalVapor
01-28-2002, 03:50 PM
I personaly stick with FF Sabers Only, That has always been my favorite thing in Star Wars, those awsome lightsabers! I mean thats a really cool concept. Without lightsabers and the force, SW would just be another really good science fiction flick. I cant help but see more honor in a face to face lightsaber battle, than is seen in hiding behind things and blowing people up with the biggest gun you can find when they arent looking. I am actualy taking a week off from work to train myself in JKII saber combat. :D

DeathBoLT
01-28-2002, 04:33 PM
stay hidden, strike when neeeded. This allowed us to take our enemies by surprise. Tell me, if you came accross a clan that you'd never heard of, and they challenged you...WOULD YOU THINK THEY WERE A THREAT?
Its a video game..

+Nimbus+
01-28-2002, 04:49 PM
Immature 5 year old trapped inside a 30 year old's body. He hast fun at least:) so ya can't complain about that, makes it more like Star Wars, I think it's lots of fun when people play the game as a Star Wars game and not just trying to be the best at it and with Jedi Outcast it only helps more. A week off for work though? err can't you wait til after work?

DigitalVapor
01-28-2002, 04:58 PM
Yes, I know its a video game, but the clan scene tended to also get a bit personal. And besides, part of multiplayer gaming is dealing with real people as opponents. In the end its just a game, but while you're playing against a member of a rival clan...its war. Interacting with clans outside the game tended to get ugly. People were known to create multiple screen names and join enemy clans just to gain a tactical edge. It was common practice to have a "members only" page on the clan website. Gaining access to that helped people learn the secrets and plans of rival clans. There were tons of clan rosters with at least one rank designated as SPY. So yes, its a game, but it also became a tool for dealing with personal enemies made in chat rooms.

DigitalVapor
01-28-2002, 05:04 PM
Thanx Nimbus. Oh and its Immature 6 year old trapped in a 20 year old's body, ya see, I'm a 20 years old body and long since passed the 5 year old maturity level. :D :D :D

[TE]BiocYte[OO]
01-28-2002, 05:25 PM
I will drag your lifeless corpse to the highest branch in my tree and hang you there for all to see! Then I will poop on you!!

MuahHAHAHAHAH!

I await the release of the game, once that has happened I will search for you smelly one......

:D

DigitalVapor
01-28-2002, 06:44 PM
On a serious note, Biocyte, im glad you use the " :D " otherwise, i might think you were being a serious pain in the :eek: But Naturaly I would be honored to take you on in JKII, I'm sure it will be a fun and if you will- smelly - experience. :laughing:

WD_ToRMeNt
02-01-2002, 11:26 PM
I honestly can't speak for the NF side, but amomg the FFers WD, dp, BSB, JaG, XXXSA are the top clans. DSbr was untill recently.

Of these, only WD and JaG have been able to play games other then JK.

I'm not disagreeing with Deathbolt. He's right and in the know, but he only named the NF side.

WD_ToRMeNt
02-01-2002, 11:52 PM
Of the few "elites" who have even bothered with these boards, Deathbolt is about the only one to be listened too. For that I congragulate him.

I remember when JK2 was first anounced and more "elites" were on the forums, but they quicky got tired of stupid arguments with the clueless that just didn't want to listen. But still, he is right about there being a problem with "elites" not hanging around these forums and we've already had that discussion on the WD boards. He is also right about the "elites" flaming to much (although I can't say it wasn't deserved at times).

My personal opinion remains that just as in JK, there will be a huge gap in skill between the hardcore gamers and the people who are just star wars fans. I'm not saying that you can't be both, but if you consider the choice of light or dark to be a moral choice and not a tactical one...

FYI Light is better in guns maps such as oasis because absorb blocks pull, but you have to control the armor vest and your surge and have awsome aim to win against a skilled darkie.

Dark is superior to light in saber only levels (tower and BGJ). Absorb or not, grip stops you for an easy saber hit and destruction can push you off ledges. Heal or not, 2 saber hits in 2nd fire will kill you in BGJ (there are no shield power ups.)

Wilhuf
02-02-2002, 08:58 AM
they quicky got tired of stupid arguments with the clueless that just didn't want to listen

Or is it they simply have nothing constructve to add? And have no substance to their 'arguments'?

Typical self-proclaimed elite suggestion for Outcast: 'make Outcast a Jedi Knight clone using q3 tech. Don't change a game that I know how to play. I have no idea how to make it better. But I'll just claim that I am a great Jedi Knight player, and that will be my excuse for making no meaningful suggestions on how to improve the game. Anyone who disagrees with me is a newbie.' Repeat ad nauseum.

What is the devteam supposed to do with that kind of suggestion? Put a Jedi Knight CDROM in an Outcast box?

WD_ToRMeNt
02-02-2002, 09:24 AM
Self proclaimed? Ha! Talk to me when you go into nar and you find that people are talking about how good you are in the main chat. Talk to me when you have some one you don't know call you a "legend."

You really don't know...

Talking about a group of people that you know nothing about is a not a worthy thing.

Wilhuf
02-02-2002, 09:38 AM
Talking about a group of people that you know nothing about is a not a worthy thing.

Age-old advice I try to follow as much as possible.

So what is your fixation on newbies? Are they people you don't know but like to talk about?

Just because you are a legend in your own mind doesn't help make Jedi Outcast a better game, Torment.

[TE]BiocYte[OO]
02-02-2002, 11:53 AM
Just because you are a legend in your own mind doesn't help make Jedi Outcast a better game, Torment.

LMAO!!!

That was funny! Sorry Torment but it was.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA! BURP!

WD_ToRMeNt
02-02-2002, 05:48 PM
I gave myself nothing, do you not listen? "Elite" is what people have come to call me by my skill and reputation. As for "legend" hell, I laughed at that myself hehe.

WD_ToRMeNt
02-02-2002, 05:55 PM
Now I know I've come across harsh but you don't know me, just as you don't know the hardcore JKer community. I've been back on the zone for less then a week and I've already offered three "newbies" the chance to join WD when JK2 comes out.

Why did I do this? Well I could tell they had potential and after talking with them at lengh I found they were what I was looking for. The fact they they could endure a FF BGJ game with me and not get mad or call me a hacker and actually try and learn something tells me a lot about them.

I never flame or start verbal confintations while in games, however I will finish them.

Zodiac
02-03-2002, 11:09 AM
Torment, why do u keep comparing JK1's playstyle with JK2's?
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW JK2 IS GOING TO BE PLAYED! All we do know is that it's going to be VERY different!!! :cool:

And that difference is=

It doesn't matter if you're good at FF or Guns or Sabers in JK1, because all those fancy moves you've learned will probably not be used in JK2.

Haven't u read about ALL the new stuff JK2's going to have? Even the simplest things as gunning or force-pull are going to be different.

"Elite" people from the current hardcore JK1 community HAVE to realize that we're all going to be sh!t and newbish when JK2 comes out. I know that, my fellow VDS-clanmates know that, but for some reason a certain WD still doesn't know it. And what's so bad about being all newbie again? Some people have to realize that this is a game and being "elite" is just stupid, just have fun!! It's going to be hella fun being all newbie at JK2 again, discovering new tactics all over again, etc etc.

And JK2 being very different to JK1 is also the reason why it's stupid to let current JK1-"newbies" into ur clan for JK2, just because "they're talented at BGJ FF".
That talent won't mean anything in JK2!!
If you want to recruit for JK2, judge them by their attitude/location/pc/internetconnection/whatever, But DO NOT judge them by their current skill in JK1.

I'm sorry if this post is a bit harsh, but it's just frustrating to see JK1 people talk about JK2 like it's just JK1 with better graphics. They have to realize it's a different game.

[TE]BiocYte[OO]
02-03-2002, 12:42 PM
WELL SAID!!!

/me applauds!

/me goes back in tree!

GonkH8er
02-04-2002, 05:45 AM
burnt :)

DeathBoLT
02-04-2002, 01:48 PM
It doesn't matter if you're good at FF or Guns or Sabers in JK1, because all those fancy moves you've learned will probably not be used in JK2.

The majority of the tricks will most likely be useless, but the base tactics of force speed, etc. have a very good chance of being somewhat applicable in JKII, thus giving JKer a edge in some respects. A great deal of small things, especially if the physics are going to be the same regarding movement (ranging from forward, backward, strafe control to force speed/jump tactics) are probably going to aid JKers in being a tad quicker to pick things up than people coming in from different games.

"Elite" people from the current hardcore JK1 community HAVE to realize that we're all going to be sh!t and newbish when JK2 comes out.
Every 'elite' JKer coming in and instantly becoming Gods in JKII? Of course not, I doubt torments even proposing such a thing. It is reasonable to expect some JK tactics, etc. to carry over to JKII to some degree however. Most of them? Unlikely. A few, primarily base tactics surrounding movement, etc.? Likely. Will similarities in JK tactics give JK players a basis from which to develop JKII tactics? Has a good chance that it will.

And what's so bad about being all newbie again? Some people have to realize that this is a game and being "elite" is just stupid, just have fun!! Nobody is bashing being a newbie or whatever. The thing thats being discussed here is the pace of learning JK 'elites' will make.


It's going to be hella fun being all newbie at JK2 again, discovering new tactics all over again, etc etc.
Yes it will. :)

That talent won't mean anything in JK2!!
Player A has been playing video games for 4-5 years and has discovered a wide range of multiplayer tactics that are relevant to the basic tenets of all multiplayer strategy, movement, aim, and item control. Player B has been playing video games for 5 minutes. Both Player A & B are being thrust into a new game. Who is more likely to discover strategies the quickest, assuming both are of the same intelligence, hand-eye coord., etc. in real life?

Zodiac
02-04-2002, 07:02 PM
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The majority of the tricks will most likely be useless, but the base tactics of force speed, etc. have a very good chance of being somewhat applicable in JKII, thus giving JKer a edge in some respects. A great deal of small things, especially if the physics are going to be the same regarding movement (ranging from forward, backward, strafe control to force speed/jump tactics) are probably going to aid JKers in being a tad quicker to pick things up than people coming in from different games.

Well of course, the base tactics like force_speed and force_jump are going to look like JK1's force powers, so those who've played JK1 will feel familiarized with it. You're right on that point, but how do u know the more important things like force_grip or force_destruction or even force_persuasion are going to be the same?
U wrote:... especially if.... Now that IF in ur quote is the exact point why I'm doubting if those things will even be the same in JK2. I don't look at IFs, I look at the current facts and those current facts don't tell us much about how the way JK2 physics are. IF they're gonna be like JK1, then yes, you're right, former JK1 players will adapt more easily to the game than new players. But we'll just have to wait and see IF that's going to happen and IF it's really going to make such a difference.


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"Elite" people from the current hardcore JK1 community HAVE to realize that we're all going to be sh!t and newbish when JK2 comes out.
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Every 'elite' JKer coming in and instantly becoming Gods in JKII? Of course not, I doubt torments even proposing such a thing. It is reasonable to expect some JK tactics, etc. to carry over to JKII to some degree however. Most of them? Unlikely. A few, primarily base tactics surrounding movement, etc.? Likely. Will similarities in JK tactics give JK players a basis from which to develop JKII tactics? Has a good chance that it will.

I've thought of that yes, but I still said we're all going to be newbie and **** because those "likely few base tactics surrounding movement, etc" won't give former JK1-players such an high advantage that they'll skip the newbie-stage. They might give the players a "basis from which to develop JK2 tactics", but they will still be at the newbie-stage. (Newbie-stage: not knowing exactly wth ur doing, dying a lot, experimenting with other moves, etc).

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And what's so bad about being all newbie again? Some people have to realize that this is a game and being "elite" is just stupid, just have fun!!
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Nobody is bashing being a newbie or whatever. The thing thats being discussed here is the pace of learning JK 'elites' will make.


You just plain and simple took these words out of their context and made a nice comment. :( Now I wasn't talking about newbie-bashing either. I was talking about the positive points of being a newbie. When you read certain posts made by JK-"elites"including WD_Torment (spread across this board), you can clearly see that they don't like to be totally newbie again at JK2. I've seen it, and so have many other people, just look at some of the other replies.

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That talent won't mean anything in JK2!!
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Player A has been playing video games for 4-5 years and has discovered a wide range of multiplayer tactics that are relevant to the basic tenets of all multiplayer strategy, movement, aim, and item control. Player B has been playing video games for 5 minutes. Both Player A & B are being thrust into a new game. Who is more likely to discover strategies the quickest, assuming both are of the same intelligence, hand-eye coord., etc. in real life?

Once again u took a few words out of their context and made a comment that wasn't relevant at all.
I agree totally with the hypothetical situation u described there, but that wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about the talent at BGJ FF. Now you know BGJ FF is mostly about making jumps and hogging, and my point was that those tactics will prolly be useless in JK2.
Like I've written before: If you want to recruit for JK2, judge them by their attitude/location/pc/internetconnection/whatever, But DO NOT judge them by their current skill in JK1. Because it is NOT sure HOW JK2's gonna play. Look at the many IFs at the top of this post, in my comment, and you understand why.

WD_ToRMeNt
02-04-2002, 08:04 PM
That is correct deathbolt, I'm not in any way saying that by being elite in JK it will make you elite in JK2. I also see what you are saying about who will pick it up faster. I've basicaly the same thing for ages.

It's like I've known tons of people on the zone who have player for 3-4 years, yet they don't really know squat. On the other hand I have seen people become experts in only a few months.

I honestly think that the qualities that made some JKers 20 times better then others will remain and be a facter this time around.

Yes, we'll all be more or less newbies, but other FPS skill (especially JK and to a lesser extend q3 and ut) will certainly carry over. There are basic things like aim and movement that apply to all FPS. From reading the reviews it sounds like the force powers work much the same (but not exactly the same) as well.

DeathBoLT
02-04-2002, 10:16 PM
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...but how do u know the more important things like force_grip or force_destruction or even force_persuasion are going to be the same?
Well first I should establish that I do not think grip, destruction, etc. were the most important part of JK FF. Yes, they were important, but they were just different forms of a weapon. Speed and Jump modified the movement so that the type of gameplay was unlike any other game. When describing movement, etc. of JK FF, I'll repost what I had written for another post:
you will find out that you're playing a incredibly fast paced game, where height and distance present no obstacle to reaching your destination. The shortcuts opened up by speed/jump* are amazing. Utilizing curves and bumps on the floors/walls of map, you are able to virtually fly using them as ramps. In the most popular sabers level, Battleground Jedi, there isn't a part that you cannot reach in a second, through speed-jump force use. You can dance around using the whole level as for cover, virtually leaping from behind one barrier to another across the map in mere seconds competely evading enemy fire. And all that is possible with just 2 force powers of the 14 offered in Jedi Knight.

U wrote:... especially if.... Now that IF in ur quote is the exact point why I'm doubting if those things will even be the same in JK2. I don't look at IFs, I look at the current facts and those current facts don't tell us much about how the way JK2 physics are. IF they're gonna be like JK1, then yes, you're right, former JK1 players will adapt more easily to the game than new players.

I think strong simliarities in the most basic elements of JK have very strong chances of reappearing, and as long as we don't have facts, we are free to intelligently speculate :P

But we'll just have to wait and see IF that's going to happen and IF it's really going to make such a difference.
Yeah we will, but why not speculate until then? Gives us something to do. :)

I've thought of that yes, but I still said we're all going to be newbie and **** because those "likely few base tactics surrounding movement, etc" won't give former JK1-players such an high advantage that they'll skip the newbie-stage. They might give the players a "basis from which todevelop JK2 tactics", but they will still be at the newbie-stage.
Well I repeat myself when I say that no one is suggesting that we're going to come into this as gods. Yes everyone will be newbie, but I think we're more less referring whose going to be the better newbie.

you can clearly see that they don't like to be totally newbie again at JK2.
True..

I was talking about the talent at BGJ FF. Now you know BGJ FF is mostly about making jumps and hogging, and my point was that those tactics will prolly be useless in JK2.
I was referring to BGJ FF as well as every other sport. And several aspects of BGJ FF will be applicable. Specific jumps to be used in BGJ, ie off the wall to dark surge cliff or whatever? No. Using knowledge of jumps to discover jump points in new maps? Yes. And about hogging, item control is one of the basic tenets of multiplayer. Examples of item control can be found in every other first-person shooter: if they don't have guns, ammunition, powerups(ie damage amplifier, enhanced speed or whatever) they have a reduced chance of fighting you.

Like I've written before: If you want to recruit for JK2, judge them by their attitude/location/pc/internetconnection/whatever, But DO NOT judge them by their current skill in JK1. Because it is NOT sure HOW JK2's gonna play.
I'll take PlayerA over PlayerB as a clan member anytime.

Kodaichi Kuno
02-06-2002, 06:45 AM
JK compared to JO..........

You may aswell compare Darkforces 1 to Darkforces 2.

Fools.:mad:

[SICK]Vomit
02-06-2002, 06:44 PM
The Sick crew is giving fair warning to all you chumps. We will own you all. No amount of training or practice will prepare you for our SFP (Sick Force Powers).

Want a sample? Go ahead, pull my finger

SJD_Culexus
02-07-2002, 08:01 AM
Whayyy... no-one will remember me or my bunch from the old JK days, but we were there :D

As for the best clans... hmm... I was in GS, which turned into JCS when I formed SJD, and KRT and Element were the main players back then :D

So... JaG, IRN, JCS, Element, EoS... so many... I cant remember most of em now... it's all a blur... argh

But SJD will be comin back for JK2, without most of the old members (I think they have lives now) :p

Lataaaa

[TE]DarthBob
02-10-2002, 03:22 PM
Thanks for all the great info folks! Specail thanks to Dealthbot for his contriubutions....great info.

The Empire looks forward to jumping into the SW community as you appear to be a great bunch of people. Look forward to the friendly battles and legends to come!!!

If any clan want to meet for friendly scrimmages, just visit our forum and post a request.

We also continue to extend a helping hand with those using the Elite Force demo. It would be a good way to hold you over until the big day. :)

JaG|Kaiser
02-10-2002, 04:38 PM
I only know of clans from when I played. It's hard to say who will be good in JK2. Given the activity that I have seen in the JK community, I'd guess the following will be dominant (assuming the players come back):

TF
IRN
DH
WD (I hear they've been more active as of late)
DSbr
JaG

If I didn't mention your clan, don't get upset. I'm sure I may have missed a few. I don't like "self-proclaimed" elites, simply because I think they are full of it, more often than not. I'd be stupid to say that only these clans will dominate. That'd be foolish.

I hope this is a good game. I'm looking forward to playing with some of the old-schoolers.

Zodiac
02-11-2002, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by JaG|Kaiser
Given the activity that I have seen in the JK community, I'd guess the following will be dominant (assuming the players come back):


I think WLP and IGF/RGF are going to be very succesful clans too in JK2. They have the most active members and I'm sure some of them will get real good at the game. We could learn a lot from them. :)

MysticNight
02-12-2002, 11:57 AM
I personally believe that more strat than not will be transfered over to JK2.

JaG|Kaiser
02-12-2002, 07:23 PM
Yea, like I said, I've been out of the game for almost 3 years, so I don't know any of the clans from that time.

StAtilXl
02-18-2002, 02:53 PM
ahh the days when JI IRN DSbr were more active oreven existant

+Nimbus+
02-18-2002, 03:40 PM
This thread really needs to come to an end, lock it up. Jedi Knight shouldn't even be discussed here, this for JK2 if ya bring up JK it should be for a comparison of the two, such as how much better and different JK2 will be. These are the JK2 forums not the JK Forums, nuff said.

[SICK]Vomit
02-19-2002, 07:09 AM
This thread is about clans ready to take lead. That would most likely involved JK clans...doh!

Hey Nimnuts...pull my finger!

CavEmaN
02-19-2002, 11:32 PM
HUH?

Erm ...



right ...



Lots of conflict going 'round here ...

Looky what I drew ...

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Elendil
02-21-2002, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by DeathBoLT
actually clans that I know have kept it together mostly have moved onto other games

TF - Team Fusion(top JK CTF clan, consistently held top 10 ranks in Tribes 1/2.

SyK - Sykotic(mediocre clan in JK at best, but, as I've heard, has become an strong clan in other games)

IRN- Iron Knights(top JK clan, currently in CS I believe)

ETI- Extrerestrial Intelligence(pretty good if i recall)

HDK-Heavy Duty Killers(up there in JK, primarily strong in UT)

some others Ive forgotten


when i say top clan,etc. in relation to JK im refering to them as they were in their prime in JK

Team Fusion will be coming back, possibly 5150 might join the Jedi Ranks, JCS, and JE all might return as well.

access_flux
02-22-2002, 01:32 AM
you guys have some good arguments, but why bother getting into arguments about it. how bout we wait till JKO comes out and see what happens? shock horror! a decent idea! i know i wasn't a 'l33t' player, but i just played to have fun. who cares about if i was **** or not. ITS JUST A GAME. why get all worked up over it.

[SICK]Vomit
02-22-2002, 10:32 AM
Decent Idea? Try Stupid! This thread is about clans ready to take lead. Let the boys have fun before it comes out. A time to posture and get in each others face.

Amazing how the people that tell us not to get worked up about this are the ones getting all worked up.

If you don't want to contribute, then ignore this thread! It's actually a simple thing.

BTW....SICK will own you all!!! Muhahahahah!!!!

[TE]BiocYte[OO]
02-23-2002, 03:43 PM
Listen SICK dude! You come here and all you do is insult ppl! Let me tell you what.....I am going to hit you on the head with a banan and take you up to my tree and then uh hit you again and then......POOP on you!

MUAHA!

OOOOOK OOOOOOK! <monkey sound>

/me uses banana force on Vomit!

:D

[SICK]Vomit
02-25-2002, 01:03 PM
um, you a male or female ape? I dig the banana force thing....Yeah Baby!

[TE]HoffenKill
02-26-2002, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by [SICK]Vomit
um, you a male or female ape? I dig the banana force thing....Yeah Baby!

Thats the [SICK]est thing I ever heard lol

Any player with decent FPS skills will always have an easier transition to any other FPS they decide to take up. More so if its based on the same game engine. I'm an EF vet. so q3a and MOHAA are natural to play for me when I do play them. JK2 will be no different, though I've never played JK1...

Sure I may need to learn a few things first, but not like as if I just bought it as my first FPS... The mechanics are still the same. I'll still frag you whether I'm upside down or standing right next to you lol

Hoff

SyKoTiCWretched
03-02-2002, 08:11 PM
as for syk's skill in jk i really cant comment nor care but for jk2 we have a very strong lineup of dedicated gamers who were good at jk to some extent or have been good at other games with i think q3 being the dominant other game there and we are gonna be in there at the start and we are all gonna be newbies no big deal. pretty much everything i wanted to say in this post has been said by deathbolt guess i just wanted to state syk's attitude/position on jk2. as for other jk clans set to be a part of jk2 all i know of is syk, wd, and jag. im assuming irn will since they are still around dsbr i know is not well im pretty sure on it as for the others i have no idea since i dont talk to them

WD_ToRMeNt
03-04-2002, 12:05 AM
Yeah, I think syk has a big future in JK2. I thought about trying to join SyK or JaG when MaReZ was leading WD but I've only been in 3 clans and I'm not a clan hopper.

As for WD We'll have Rage, Rain, Enigma, RaMpAgE, Gambit, Luke18, Phoenix and others who where good in JK and have experience with other games. Prodigy is supposedly coming back and maybe even Death. I think I'm the only WD that will have to play the demo first in order to decide if I like it enough to spend $ on it. I already bought quake 3 once (the other WDs get pissed when I say that hehe).

JaG|Kaiser
03-04-2002, 11:01 AM
5150? Does that mean our good buddy ReaListiK will return? IMO, that would be great. ReaL is a great player, and 5150 is one of the most top-notch clans around. If they decided to play JK2, it would certainly improve the overall quality of competition.

I found out more about these "super clans," basically clans with a ton of members. Typically, I've found that these clans, while having a huge number of players, lack the quality of players to compete. However, I suppose it depends on the focus of your clan. If you wish to be elite and dominate games, then your standards for skill will vary greatly with a team that recruits only to have fun and enjoy themselves. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a group of guys who form a clan only to have a good time. But to say a large clan like that will dominate is comical. :D

Nimrod
03-11-2002, 11:50 AM
I hate to say this Zod, I count you as one of my friends in the JK community, but a few other VDS members are real wankers.
And most of the new members you are recruiting for JK2 aren't all that nice either. I only have respect for you, england, van and maybe oxide (who i dont know to well).

I hope VDS shapes up..

Nimrod
03-11-2002, 11:52 AM
but i do agree with you that WLP and IGF will do well in Outcast :p

Zodiac
03-11-2002, 01:18 PM
hey Nim. I don't know. I haven't been at zone for sooo long, all the new members are very nice to me, but I have no idea how they act to other people, cuz I haven't been at zone a lot. Good thing JK2 will be here in just weeks...

I hate JK now..last night I got beat 0.0-0.5 in this tourney, and after that match I got a screenshot, that revealed that the guy who just beat me uses an extendoo... soo I'm just waiting for JK2 to come out. We'll all be newbie then.. and I hope some of our member's "arrogant" attitudes will lighten up then. :)

YubYub
03-11-2002, 09:36 PM
I agree with DB about the clans that went on and migrated to other games and that are and have been doing well in them. I know IRN has a very strong CS team and that the likes of DH were good at q3 but have since stopped playing, and that SyK has a very successful AUS q3 team as well as one of the top RTCW teams in europe. But teams like WD and DSbr, as much as i like/hate them... have they moved on to ANY other games successfully ? instead of just having members who play different games only for fun.

Zodiac well said.

Right there with you Wretchy.

correct me if i'm wrong but isn't 5150 a top T2 clan?

JaG|Kaiser
03-12-2002, 08:40 PM
5150 dominated T2. They were unbeaten, and they left. I don't know what they are doing now.

pyrot3chnic
03-17-2002, 09:43 PM
http://www.cableone.net/samm519/ea/ea.jpg

un`
03-17-2002, 11:15 PM
srry pyro ;\

<img src="http://server31.hypermart.net/elitehehe/sdaf.jpg">

dev-Zach
03-18-2002, 07:17 AM
WD_ToRMeNt: "Elite" is what people have come to call me by my skill and reputation.

hahahaha

Lucky
03-19-2002, 03:12 AM
omg un that was funny.

the stealthy kid was funny too. This whole thread has been crackin me up for half an hour. ty much for contributing to my amusement folks, helps me pass the time =P

10...days....

pr0s
03-19-2002, 07:38 AM
lol un

hey has anyone here heard of DLS(Dark Lords of the Sith) a clan lead by SaberRage, i reckon they were pretty good.

G0SP0DAR
03-19-2002, 12:28 PM
Shouldn't there be a ladder for clans so that there's no wacky debates like this?

SyKoTiCWretched
03-19-2002, 12:50 PM
i didnt know ea was still around =/

JaG|Kaiser
03-19-2002, 01:44 PM
I didn't think they were around.

dev-fuzzy
03-19-2002, 01:53 PM
ea who?
hehhe

Regulator LMAO go EA

Kodaichi Kuno
03-20-2002, 07:55 AM
Lucky.........

That stealth/vapor dude had me pissing myself laughing too.
These crazy kids these days......

[TE]DarthBob
04-05-2002, 09:09 PM
The Obsidian Empire is pleased to announce that [OE]DarthNed will be departing from RTCW and joining us in JKO. May he take pity on your souls.

http://www.goferboy.com/empire/images/ned_marine.jpg

Mafia_Jabba
04-05-2002, 09:35 PM
marine? wtf those are army rangers.

JR_Incubus
04-05-2002, 10:15 PM
Best JKII clan??? The Jedi Revolution www.jedirevolution.com