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Paragon_Leon
10-25-2001, 05:52 PM
okay, people..we're down to the nitty gritty of VOTING !

So far, I have received the following nominations:

darthfergie
tie guy
wc_heavyarms
Kvan
Young David
Luke Skywalker
crazy_dog
Clefo
Boba Rhett
Darktrooper
Gamma 732
Kobi Duran
xwing guy
Tirion Nexsis
ICP Ringmaster
Eets'chula
Darth_Rommel
Jedi_Masta
Lordquigonjinn
Delphi_WS
ReaperFett


It's possible that you at some point announced that you wanted to run, but you don't see your name on this list... if so, pm me and all will be worked out. Don't worry; every voting-ballot that will be put up on this site will have the same countdown; no matter when it's posted. So you all have equal chances.

How does voting work ?

Every nominee gets his own voting thread. It's a vote-only poll. ALL posts that are added to these threads outside of the voting itself, will be deleted. Every mod will know this. Keep this in mind, as we try to keep voting as clean and fair as possible.
To vote, simply click on either 'yes' or 'no' in that person's thread.

Important: you can vote on ALL nominees. It's highly advisable to do so. After all, each candidate deserves to be voted upon. It's a little effort that will make a lot of people happy.

At the end of the countdown (one week to make sure the majority of forummers gets a chance to vote), we look at which 14 nominees got the highest 'yes'-count. The 'no' votes are put in because it can basically rule out any spammers or 'inappropriate' folks. This is direct control of the people that use these boards, so if you weren't really.. proper on these forums before, you might see the result in your 'no' votes ! On the other hand, the opposite is true for the 'yes' votes.

The 14 nominees with the highest 'yes' counts will proceed to the second and final voting round.
That's basically it. Over the coming week you can expect to read up on a lot more Senate-related material. But for now, happy voting !

Luke Skywalker
10-25-2001, 06:49 PM
Ok, so out of the 14 who move on, how many will actaully make it to the senate? and, are the votes in the 'no' section deducted from your 'yes' count?

Paragon_Leon
10-25-2001, 06:50 PM
First question: we go with 7 first.
Second question: no. The no-votes are a way for forummers to have their say on people who misbehaved on the boards.

WC_heavyarms
10-25-2001, 08:45 PM
we allowed to vote for ourselves?

Luke Skywalker
10-25-2001, 09:32 PM
Yes, you can vote for yourself but do you think its ethical, basically its up to you.

DSEMPEROR
10-25-2001, 09:45 PM
great job setting it up, I didn't think u would set it up like this leon

Clefo
10-25-2001, 09:50 PM
Although some people could vote more than once by taking advantage of the fact he gets banned a lot.... Taking away the purity of the process

Luke Skywalker
10-25-2001, 09:54 PM
VOTE LUKE! Why have 6 people voted no for me? PM me I want to know who and why, I dont recalll having 6 grudges....

DSEMPEROR
10-25-2001, 09:56 PM
Although some people voted more than once by taking advantage of the fact he gets banned a lot....


well maybe they shouldn't ban me all I have voted twice for is Delphi's so its not that important

darthfergie
10-25-2001, 10:16 PM
THE SUSPENCE IS KILLING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Darth_Rommel
10-26-2001, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by Luke Skywalker
VOTE LUKE! Why have 6 people voted no for me? PM me I want to know who and why, I dont recalll having 6 grudges....

*looks at his voting booth stats* Yikes... I used to think I was somewhat popular here ;) 9 votes against! :eek:

Like Luke, I wouldn't mind knowing who, and why... if you feel comfortable doing so :)

EDIT: Viper, your throwing everything off :rolleyes: it's only fair to vote once...

ReaperFett
10-26-2001, 07:47 AM
9 against? Dang, Im only on 6. You run someones pet over once or something?

Young David
10-26-2001, 08:20 AM
Wow ... there are currently 14 peeps who have more, or equal 'yes' votes than 'no' votes ... and I'm number 8 in the ranking (Tirion is no 1.) Can't we do who has the less 'no' votes? I'd be number 2 then :D

hmmm ... another week huh ... We'll see what changes until then.

Vote for me, vote YD !!!

WC_heavyarms
10-26-2001, 11:04 AM
I probably won't make it. I only got 8 votes.

ReaperFett
10-26-2001, 11:15 AM
more chance than my 6:)

WC_heavyarms
10-26-2001, 11:19 AM
There should be a vote limit, like 45 or 50. That way they can vote for someone else, and I think I will lose. Just a thought though, BUT I WANT TO WIN!!!!

Boba Rhett
10-26-2001, 05:14 PM
We're having the following things happen.

1. People come in and vote yes for one person and no to everyone else. Because they didn't read how they should go about voting.

2. Were having people vote only for one person then leave. Because they didn't read how they should go about voting.

3. Were having people reregister and vote multiple times. Because they're...... not nice.

If any of the nominees are having clan members, friends, etc... come and vote for them please make sure that they read how the voting should be done before they vote.

Darth_Rommel
10-26-2001, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by Boba Rhett
3. Were having people reregister and vote multiple times. Because they're...... not nice.


That sucks, especially when they vote NO! ;) I have two accounts (I was REALLY afraid of being banned back then, so I made a back up :)), but I've only voted with one! Follow my good example! :)

darthfergie
10-26-2001, 05:29 PM
I have 18 for me and 7 against...:) (#2 again was #1)

ReaperFett
10-26-2001, 06:40 PM
7-9

WC_heavyarms
10-26-2001, 09:32 PM
Hey rommel, in your sig, it says vote for you or else. I choose or else!!!!!

crazy_dog
10-27-2001, 04:39 AM
9 people voted no for me. Did Viper vote no under multipale accounts, or do 9 people hate me?

PM me to tell me why u hate me.

Boba Rhett
10-27-2001, 05:11 AM
There are several possibilities.

1. There's been foul play.

2. People haven't been reading how to vote. "They vote yes for one person and no for all the others"

3. You, I and many others here have many people who dislike us. :eek:

Lord Tirion
10-27-2001, 12:43 PM
I was talking to some people and it seemed they thought you could only vote for one and vote no for the rest. I don't think anybody who voted no "hates" the nominee with exception of a few and I think you know who I mean =P

The No votes are obsolete anyway, you dont need them. I just look at the Yes votes. Almost 900 people are registered to these forums.. well, I should say 800 (100 are former Viper names). I think it is sad that almost 80% of the forumers didnt even bother to vote.

darthfergie
10-27-2001, 03:39 PM
Hey Leon what is the exact day the nominations end???

Darth_Rommel
10-27-2001, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by WC_heavyarms
Hey rommel, in your sig, it says vote for you or else. I choose or else!!!!!

Why? *sniff* What did I ever do to you?!? :sweat:

darthfergie
10-27-2001, 04:19 PM
It's okay Rommel...he doesn't know what he is saying forgive that insolent fool

Luke Skywalker
10-27-2001, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Tirion *Nexsis*
I was talking to some people and it seemed they thought you could only vote for one and vote no for the rest. I don't think anybody who voted no "hates" the nominee with exception of a few and I think you know who I mean =P

The No votes are obsolete anyway, you dont need them. I just look at the Yes votes. Almost 900 people are registered to these forums.. well, I should say 800 (100 are former Viper names). I think it is sad that almost 80% of the forumers didnt even bother to vote.

Theres 650 registered people subtract 50 for viper you have 600 then take away 300 in active forummers and you get 300 then subtract 50 for the people who have never posted. you have around 250 active forummers. ;)

darthfergie
10-28-2001, 12:16 AM
WHERE DID MY BALLOT GO!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?:confused:
Did someone delete it???

Also where did YD's ballot go???:confused:

I HAVE LOST POTENTIAL VOTES!!!! MY CAREER IS AT STEAK HERE!!!

ReaperFett
10-28-2001, 12:19 AM
what kind of steak? :)


try page 2, might have dropped over

darthfergie
10-28-2001, 12:22 AM
ARGUEBUS!!!!:mad:

it is on the other page:mad:

That means people won't look that far and I loose potential votes:mad:

BTW, the steak is Well Done....:D

ReaperFett
10-28-2001, 12:32 AM
Im at the top. Im not doing as well. Give the little guys a chance :)

Lord Fergie
10-28-2001, 12:34 AM
I voted yes on you...:D

BTW, cool avatar...how did you extract the pic from the game???

ReaperFett
10-28-2001, 05:46 AM
Thanks :)

And I didnt extract it, I'm far too simple for something that requires thought :)


The battlegrounds UK site has all the tech tress, I just took it from there

Young David
10-28-2001, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by darthfergie
WHERE DID MY BALLOT GO!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?:confused:
Did someone delete it???

Also where did YD's ballot go???:confused:

I HAVE LOST POTENTIAL VOTES!!!! MY CAREER IS AT STEAK HERE!!!

I have pm'ed Leon about this already ... in dutch :) I want back on page one again.

Die rebel scum!
10-28-2001, 01:28 PM
Did Viper vote no under multipale accounts, or do 9 people hate me?

I find that funny since I voted yes on u in multiple accounts

Delphi's Clone
10-28-2001, 03:54 PM
17 yes 18 no

come on people i need a few more Yes'


plz no more no :ball:

Paragon_Leon
10-29-2001, 05:09 AM
A quick update on the voting-process:

- we are taking into account that some are voting with multiple accounts

- bribes are taken into account as well

- As of right now, no more nominations are accepted

- Expect a 'half-time' results-summary up tonight..

greets

WC_heavyarms
10-29-2001, 06:35 AM
Insolence? *jumps in Heavyarms* I'm coming after you!!! LOL
I voted for myself.

DarkTrooper
10-29-2001, 02:15 PM
- bribes are taken into account as well
thats pretty sad what would u get out of it. and the fact that people are that obsessed with this senate thing

Tie Guy
10-29-2001, 03:14 PM
What i'm more concerned about is why people haven't voted for more people.

Tirion has some 40 votes, and Boba has around 28 and i have 23 (18-5). Everyone should vote yes or no for everyone. There is no middle ground, i wonder why people haven't voted on all of the threads. People may just come in a vote for the first couple people they see, and that is a much bigger problem than Viper coming and voting 5 "no's" for anyone.

Paragon_Leon
10-29-2001, 03:19 PM
It's not exactly a problem.. it's just a lack of pr from the people who want the votes...

Polticians go out and persuade people... i think it's quite fair that the same happens here. If they are not who they claim to be, the public will notice.
I'll edit the voting-guidelines a bit to make this more clear and post updates now and then on it in off-topic. alright ?

Silenthunter
10-29-2001, 03:22 PM
There...Iv'e voted for everyone.

WC_heavyarms
10-29-2001, 06:18 PM
We should have had a simple voting system... Vote yes for one person, and that is it. This is now getting confusing, and I WANT A RECOUNT!!!!

Paragon_Leon
10-30-2001, 03:24 AM
there's going to be no recounts. just a look at eventual multiple account-using with the winners.

There will be a second round of voting after this to narrow down to the final number of 7 Senators.

like i have explained twice before: the no-votes only come into play when there's a problem of some sort. Simply look at the amount of yes-votes.

Paragon_Leon
10-30-2001, 04:18 AM
Half-way through the first round of voting for the Senate, here's a brief overview of the scores so far.. First up is a list by # of 'yes' votes.. These lists were compiled at about 9:30 AM (GMT+1)

1) Tirion *Nexsis* 25 yes, 13 no
2) darthfergie 24 yes, 8 no
3) Kvan 22 yes, 6 no
4) Eets'chula 21 yes, 5 no
5) Boba Rhett 20 yes, 11 no
6) Tie Guy 20 yes, 5 no
7) Delphi_WS 20 yes, 19 no
8) Darth_Rommel 19 yes, 12 no
9) Young David 16 yes, 7 no
10) Luke Skywalker 14 yes, 9 no
11) Clefo 11 yes, 9 no
12) Jedi_Masta 11 yes, 12 no
13) Reaperfett 10 yes, 12 no
14) Thrawn 9 yes, 0 no
15) WC_Heavyarms 9 yes, 12 no
16) xwing guy 9 yes, 11 no
17) crazy_dog 9 yes, 12 no
18) Darktrooper 8 yes, 17 no
19) Gamma 732 8 yes, 8 no
20) Lordquigonnjinn 4 yes, 14 no
21) ICP Ringmaster 3 yes, 19 no
22) Kobi Duran 2 yes, 11 no
23) Maul403 1 yes, 4 no

..and here's how that list would look if we did it in reverse: by # of 'no' votes (the so-called 'non-sympathy-list'). The lower you are on this list, the more sympathy you have from fellow-forummers basically..

1) ICP Ringmaster 3 yes, 19 no
2) Delphi_WS 20 yes, 19 no
3) Darktrooper 8 yes, 17 no
4) Lordquigonnjinn 4 yes, 14 no
5) Tirion *Nexsis* 25 yes, 13 no
6) WC_Heavyarms 9 yes, 12 no
7) crazy_dog 9 yes, 12 no
8) Reaperfett 10 yes, 12 no
9) Jedi_Masta 11 yes, 12 no
10) Darth_Rommel 19 yes, 12 no
11) Kobi Duran 2 yes, 11 no
12) xwing guy 9 yes, 11 no
13) Boba Rhett 20 yes, 11 no
14) Clefo 11 yes, 9 no
15) Luke Skywalker 14 yes, 9 no
16) Gamma 732 8 yes, 8 no
17) darthfergie 24 yes, 8 no
18) Young David 16 yes, 7 no
19) Kvan 22 yes, 6 no
20) Tie Guy 20 yes, 5 no
21) Eets'chula 21 yes, 5 no
22) Maul403 1 yes, 4 no
23) Thrawn 9 yes, 0 no

Now keep in mind that we'll do another round of voting ! From this list, only 14 proceed to the other round, and mods will come into play (the basic rules will be explained as we go). Before the discussion starts on this: the mods WON'T have an exclusive vote on who gets in and who doesn't, but their judgment does weigh heavy.

Some have complained about probable tampering with the votes. Look at it soberly, folks: 25 votes can easily be collected if you're in a clan. And the difference between the top and the bottom is about a dozen votes.. that's it. There's no reason whatsoever to start screaming 'fraud' with these amounts.

Happy voting: this round closes november 2nd...

crazy_dog
10-30-2001, 03:09 PM
Wooooowwwww, baby, I'm not doing good. ::eek:

Oh yeah, and as for how I voted, I voted no for all the people I dislike, and I didn't vote for all the guys I like because I want them in the senate but I don't exactly want to lose either.

*Prepares for critisism of his political startergies*:lsduel: :mob: ( me fighting all the flamers :D )

Young David
10-30-2001, 03:30 PM
All those who are populair are hated by others ...

That's why presidents are killed, that's why senators get 'no'votes.

But ofcourse ... you should have more 'yes'votes than 'no' votes

crazy_dog
10-30-2001, 03:35 PM
More yes than no? *goes pale* Oh my... (put name of your god here)

darthfergie
10-30-2001, 05:32 PM
Well I'm happy the multiaccount voting is being considered...Thanks Leon you have solved my problem...:)

Clefo
10-30-2001, 06:38 PM
11th and 14th... that ain't too bad :D

Paragon_Leon
10-30-2001, 06:54 PM
Expect voting on most polls to time-out on November 2nd, folks, so get voting if you haven't done so yet.

Compa_Mighty's ballot is up now too... look in off-topic to find out more about it.

ReaperFett
10-30-2001, 06:59 PM
ahhhh, getting close :)

edit- Oh wait, Thrawn and Heavy overtook me. Thats me done I suppose :)

darthfergie
10-30-2001, 09:09 PM
Nobody has voted in my thread since yesterday...:(

WC_heavyarms
10-30-2001, 09:35 PM
No one wants to vote for me (cries a heck of a lot) I think something has happened because someone is giving each person a lot of "no's", because I have not made that many enemies. I don't know... Maybe they think I am lying... I don't know...

Stormcrow
10-31-2001, 04:13 PM
how do you get to be nominated? Coz i wanna be :(

darthfergie
10-31-2001, 04:15 PM
You need to be pretty active...you may just have to wait till the first Senate's terms are over...

Stormcrow
10-31-2001, 04:20 PM
sir, yes sir!!

crazy_dog
11-01-2001, 02:53 AM
I only recall having 5 potential enemies, and yet the "no"votes are pumping up to 14.

Boba Rhett
11-01-2001, 03:02 AM
Don't be sad. Your not hated. At least not that much. ;) It's just because of the rather large amount of people not knowing how to properly vote. "They vote yes for the one person who went and asked them and then vote no to everyone else" :(

darthfergie
11-01-2001, 08:08 AM
Okay guys no more nominations we are going to have to close that because there is only room for this thread and al the ballots on one page...So nobody expect to be nominated now...

Paragon_Leon
11-01-2001, 10:40 AM
Yep, there's no more nominations added for the first Senate-term.
:D
the enthusiasm of forummers nowadays...
:cool:

ReaperFett
11-01-2001, 01:01 PM
are there any hitmen for hire round here?



:)

Tie Guy
11-01-2001, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by crazy_dog
I only recall having 5 potential enemies, and yet the "no"votes are pumping up to 14.

Like Rhett said, some people voted no for almost everyone. But remember, just because people aren't your "enemy" doesn't mean that they are gonna vote for you.

Paragon_Leon
11-01-2001, 06:45 PM
most polls are now closed, except for the odd exception. However, EVERY ballot will have had a seven-day run.
Expect final results over the weekend, along with the procedure and start of the second (defining) round..

We're getting there, folks..

Luke Skywalker
11-01-2001, 06:47 PM
I need your votes people! Vote for me!

ReaperFett
11-01-2001, 06:51 PM
a vote for me is a vote for Chimpanzees!

darthfergie
11-01-2001, 07:57 PM
VOTE FOR ME!!!
Or...um...wait isn't my poll closed...Oh well...:)

WC_heavyarms
11-01-2001, 08:28 PM
SOmeone is wreaking havoc on my poll. NO WAY I should have 18 no's! It is bad, someone is doing this! That should be taken into acount, and can't the mods see who voted? I think Viper did this.

darthfergie
11-01-2001, 10:54 PM
SOmeone is wreaking havoc on my poll. NO WAY I should have 18 no's! It is bad, someone is doing this! That should be taken into acount, and can't the mods see who voted? I think Viper did this.

1. Viper is gone...period.
2. you are new here so don't expect an automatic win...
3. If foul play was involed the mods will look into it by the time round two is about to start...

crazy_dog
11-02-2001, 02:39 AM
Yeah, usaully all the oldies and regulars get the most votes, as do clan memebers.

Boba Rhett
11-02-2001, 02:47 AM
Oldies? Noone here's been here for longer than three and a half months. :p ;)

WC_heavyarms
11-02-2001, 06:21 AM
i've been around, i've been posting for about one month. I'm well known I think.

Paragon_Leon
11-02-2001, 06:41 AM
you got that right... :D

Two more days until we go to the second round, folks. Please refrain from a flood of scores until all is done. I'll post a complete what's-what when all is done.

In the meantime, make those banners, gather those voters and GET READY.

WC_heavyarms
11-02-2001, 06:53 AM
I'm never going to win, with 17 no's, unless I get my whole clan to vote or something... I am losting bad...

Paragon_Leon
11-02-2001, 07:02 AM
Well, if you just sit back and don't gather votes, don't be surprised if this happens. Getting clan-members to vote is perfectly legal. And it let's these forums grow.

WC_heavyarms
11-02-2001, 07:31 AM
Just because I don't make a huge, nice banner or something else doesn't mean that someone else should win. I will have to ask clan people to vote for me, or else I am really goin to lose.

ReaperFett
11-02-2001, 07:49 AM
damn you people and supporters!


Think Ill start a clan quickly, get them to vote for me :)

crazy_dog
11-02-2001, 12:54 PM
15 NO'S?! OH CR@P!!!!!!

At leist I got 9 yes's.:)

Tie Guy
11-02-2001, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by crazy_dog
15 NO'S?! OH CR@P!!!!!!


Hey, at least you didn't get 26 no's like Delphi

Which reminds me Leo. Not that i have anything against Delphi personally, but are you gonna let someone that got that many "no" votes onto the senate? Its obvious that lots of people don't want him there, yet he might make it over someone who is more qualified, and better liked. Besides, hew only has a 51% or so majority, one more vote and it would be even.

I guess my real question is "Do percentages such as his ave anything to do with getting elected, or is it based purely on yes votes?"

Delphi's Clone
11-02-2001, 05:07 PM
well it's based on yes votes and in that respect i'm kicking but hehe dont ruin me here lol

darthfergie
11-02-2001, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Tie Guy


Hey, at least you didn't get 26 no's like Delphi

Which reminds me Leo. Not that i have anything against Delphi personally, but are you gonna let someone that got that many "no" votes onto the senate? Its obvious that lots of people don't want him there, yet he might make it over someone who is more qualified, and better liked. Besides, hew only has a 51% or so majority, one more vote and it would be even.

I guess my real question is "Do percentages such as his ave anything to do with getting elected, or is it based purely on yes votes?"

Sympathy votes are taken into account...(Looks back to where Leon posted scores)

WC_heavyarms
11-02-2001, 05:48 PM
Would someone mind posting the results, because I am slaving away making the tech tree for this site (it ain't easy, and I need a pic guy, and maybe a assistant would be nice!)

Felix29
11-02-2001, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by darthfergie


1. Viper is gone...period.
2. you are new here so don't expect an automatic win...
3. If foul play was involed the mods will look into it by the time round two is about to start...

What happened to him?

darthfergie
11-02-2001, 06:31 PM
Law Suit was threatening him...from this site for harassment of forummers...they had copies of all his flamingposts and he had to leave or he would find a letter in his mailbox one day telling him he needs to appear in court...

Boba Rhett
11-02-2001, 06:34 PM
Well, that and the IP banning works now apparently. :)

Felix29
11-02-2001, 06:35 PM
Oh... poor guy :(



You wanna hear something sad? I average less than a post per day... :rolleyes:

darthfergie
11-02-2001, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by Felix29
Oh... poor guy :(

He brought it upon himself..."for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"

Boba Rhett
11-02-2001, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by darthfergie


He brought it upon himself..."for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"

If that was true, far worse things would have happened to him. :D

darthfergie
11-02-2001, 07:27 PM
yeah...your right...:D

Paragon_Leon
11-03-2001, 07:23 AM
Well, to get back to this thread... :D

One idea i have, is that the sympathy vote-result will work through in the second round..
You see, in the second round, you start off with the amount of yes-votes that you have after you deduct the no-votes from your first-round amount.
Oh boy, that sounds complicated, doesn't it ?

Here's an example.

If you have 12 yes votes and 5 no votes, you'd start the second round with 7 yes votes (12 - 5 = 7)

If you have 8 yes votes and 18 no votes, you'd start with -10 votes, meaning you'd reach 0 votes when 10 people vote yes.

This way, you 'sympathy-result' is the outset of the second voting round, where you only can vote 'yes'.

Or, I can have the mods have their say over the amount of no-votes for every single contender.

Luke Skywalker
11-03-2001, 09:37 AM
I think everyone should start at zero. Because I know that I recieved, as well as many other forumers, no votes from people like viper who shouldn't have been able to vote.

Tie Guy
11-03-2001, 10:03 AM
Well, if we start at zero then it doesn't matter at all how many people didn't want you, or even how many people did want you. If we start at zero, then subtract the no's from the final vote, then you don't give anyone credit for getting alot of yes votes in the first round. The only way to do it all fairly is to add (or subtrat) the difference between the yes's and the no's in the first round from the total yes votes on the second.

darthfergie
11-03-2001, 11:57 AM
lol
Delphi
26 yes
- 25 no
______
1 vote....

WC_heavyarms
11-03-2001, 12:03 PM
don't worry delphi, I get -6 if it goes that way. Someone sure hates me... I think it was that Dssithmaster guy...

Delphi's Clone
11-03-2001, 03:54 PM
that stinks you guys said that no votes are harmless

it might just be ione guy that keeps on voteing no for me!!!!!!

Delphi's Clone
11-03-2001, 04:02 PM
pargen this is undemocraticle if you had told people that no votes detract from your votes in the second round i'm pretty sure alot less people would have voted no for me!!!!! ever single person that gose to the second round should star off with 0

you told every one in the beggining that no votes are only a way of showing people that this person has done somthing wrong!!!!

Delphi's Clone
11-03-2001, 04:04 PM
here you said this pargen leon

First question: we go with 7 first.
Second question: no. The no-votes are a way for forummers to have their say on people who misbehaved on the boards.


here is the link so [please dont tell me you didnt say that please do answer http://forums.galacticbattles.com/showthread.php?threadid=2533

Young David
11-03-2001, 05:53 PM
What's your point? Are you a bad loser?

If we started on zero ... than what would be the point of round 1? And why you have so many 'no' votes? Maybe it is because you're an imposter ... people don't like imposters.

No votes are indeed a way to let people who don't want you in the senate have their say. Ofcourse, not all 'no' votes would have to mean that people don't like you. It could be that some people didn't understand the way of voting, or that someone who's running voted 'no' for you because he fears your competition.

But when you have more 'no' than 'yes' then it's safe to assume that you're not wanted in the senate.

And BTW, his name is Leon or Paragon_Leon ...

Lord Tirion
11-03-2001, 07:25 PM
"If we started on zero ... than what would be the point of round 1?"

Round 1 was to filter out the candidates down to 14. Just like playoffs from sports.

"No votes are indeed a way to let people who don't want you in the senate have their say."

No votes should not be a consideration at all in my opinion. Even thought I would be among the top vote getters by Leon's method and would prosper from it, I still dont see any validity in such a method of electing officials. How many of us voted for one person only and voted no for the rest because they did not understand the voting process? I know atleast 10+ people that did this. Thats 10 no votes for a person that shouldn't be right there. And then we have the people like Viper and such that I am sure contributed to a lot of "spite" votes.

So basically Round 1 brought us down to 14 nominations. That is what Round 1 should have been for. This round we should all start fresh and let the forum once again vote for who they feel would represent their wants and needs the best. Then the top nominees with the most votes would come to comprise the Senate. It is very simple and simplicity is the key =)

WC_heavyarms
11-03-2001, 08:02 PM
Here is the BEST IDEA YET! Ok, each of the remaining candidates writes a speech, posts it, and then the mods select each of the candidates from these speeches, and they must have unbiased opinions!

Tie Guy
11-03-2001, 10:10 PM
Tirion,

I only have 7 "no" votes, so there couldn't be 10 people who voted for only one person. And if anyone did do that, i would imagine it would be mostly people who voted for you or others more "famous" people with a guild or banner, and not 3 or 4 or 5 for me, i didn't even have a banner or anything at first, not even a link. So, maybe like 3 people did that, coz i assume Viper voted at least 2 no's for nearly everyone and at least some people probably really didn't want me.

So, the way you look at it then you might as well say all of people who actually voted no for a reason "Ok, thats great, but your opinion isn't worth anything." Thats doesn't sound very democratic. This whole system of counting "no" votes is to pick the person that the people want in the senate. Do you really think that someone who got more "no" votes than yes's is really wanted on the senate very much, or even a guy who got a large number of no's. Personally, either way would be fine for my career, i'm in the top 7 either way i think, but this way is much more fair and includes everyones votes, not just those that are positive. No one likes someone who ignores all of the constructive criticism of himself and doesn't pay any attention to peoples opinions unless he agrees, yet that is exactly what you and some others want to do.

Lord Tirion
11-03-2001, 10:56 PM
"I only have 7 "no" votes, so there couldn't be 10 people who voted for only one person."

Consider yourself lucky. That is because they got bored and tired of clicking each individual thread and just abandoned the vote as long as they voted for the "one" they wanted.


"And if anyone did do that, i would imagine it would be mostly people who voted for you or others more "famous" people with a guild or banner, and not 3 or 4 or 5 for me, i didn't even have a banner or anything at first, not even a link."

Guild had nothing to do with why I had a lot of votes. It was the way I conducted myself on the forums. I always kept an open mind and posted some topics of humor when I saw that the forum was getting a little tense with flames. Most of the people joined my guild BECAUSE of that. That just goes to show that they believed in me and believed I could benefit their playing and make it more enjoyable. I never made a banner telling people to vote for me neither. I simply made my one post saying I would like to join and that was that. I know that you were talking about others and not referring to me about banners but it just goes to prove my point that it is based on your behavior on the forum, not what guild you are in or how many banners or gimics you tried to pull people to vote for you =)


"So, maybe like 3 people did that, coz i assume Viper voted at least 2 no's for nearly everyone and at least some people probably really didn't want me."

Atleast 2 is an understatment =P

"So, the way you look at it then you might as well say all of people who actually voted no for a reason "Ok, thats great, but your opinion isn't worth anything." Thats doesn't sound very democratic."

What does sounding democratic have to do with anything? The only thing that matters in a vote is who got the most votes.. not who got how many "no's." No's become obsolete especially in a forum such as this when you have some candidates that received 40 votes while others only received 12 per say.


"This whole system of counting "no" votes is to pick the person that the people want in the senate. Do you really think that someone who got more "no" votes than yes's is really wanted on the senate very much, or even a guy who got a large number of no's."

Then why bother having "Yes" votes? If that person received a lot of yes votes, then doesn't that go to say that that person has that many people who they feel best represent them?


"Personally, either way would be fine for my career, i'm in the top 7 either way i think, but this way is much more fair and includes everyones votes, not just those that are positive."

I would prosper greatly from Leon's method but I dont think its fair to the others who are not in my situation even though they received a lot of "no" votes as well. I am not looking out for myself like some candidates appear to be doing. I am looking out for the whole community and how it effects them. Whether it is much more fair is just an opinion on the matter. If you received 10 more "no's" or so, I am sure you would not think this process as fair as you do now.

"No one likes someone who ignores all of the constructive criticism of himself and doesn't pay any attention to peoples opinions unless he agrees, yet that is exactly what you and some others want to do."

Why do you try and slander me and others? Do you feel threatened by us? I have not once ever slandered you or spoke negative of you. So why throw that low class remark at us? Is that what a Senator that represents this community is about in your opinion? I happen to listen to everybody's opinion about me or my ideas. So please do not go around making remarks against me that you have no backing for. I happen to respect you, but if you continue to keep making ill-thought out remarks like that, I think that will vastly sway my opinion.

Tie Guy
11-03-2001, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by Lord Tirion
"I only have 7 "no" votes, so there couldn't be 10 people who voted for only one person."

Consider yourself lucky. That is because they got bored and tired of clicking each individual thread and just abandoned the vote as long as they voted for the "one" they wanted.

Are you just assuming thats what happend? I was about 6 or 7 down the list, so i don't think they get bored, but if thats your opinion....



"And if anyone did do that, i would imagine it would be mostly people who voted for you or others more "famous" people with a guild or banner, and not 3 or 4 or 5 for me, i didn't even have a banner or anything at first, not even a link."

Guild had nothing to do with why I had a lot of votes. It was the way I conducted myself on the forums. I always kept an open mind and posted some topics of humor when I saw that the forum was getting a little tense with flames. Most of the people joined my guild BECAUSE of that. That just goes to show that they believed in me and believed I could benefit their playing and make it more enjoyable. I never made a banner telling people to vote for me neither.

Can you really tell yourself that honestly. You got several votes just because of your guild members here. ther was even a person from your guild speaking highly about you in the Senate forum, and campaigning for you. Sure, thats obviously not everything, but you definately can't say it made no difference at all. You do conduct yourself fine on the boards, except when you got into a couple huge flaming debates with other people in a few threads, but you were mostly fine, everyone does that from time to time.


"So, the way you look at it then you might as well say all of people who actually voted no for a reason "Ok, thats great, but your opinion isn't worth anything." Thats doesn't sound very democratic."

What does sounding democratic have to do with anything? The only thing that matters in a vote is who got the most votes.. not who got how many "no's." No's become obsolete especially in a forum such as this when you have some candidates that received 40 votes while others only received 12 per say.

What?!? Being democratic has everything to do with it. This is a democracy, and it must be democratic. The only thing that truly matters is what people think, not just the things that are positive about a person. In a democracy, everyone's vote must count, whether it be favorable or unfavorable, thats just the way it goes.


"Personally, either way would be fine for my career, i'm in the top 7 either way i think, but this way is much more fair and includes everyones votes, not just those that are positive."

I would prosper greatly from Leon's method but I dont think its fair to the others who are not in my situation even though they received a lot of "no" votes as well. I am not looking out for myself like some candidates appear to be doing. I am looking out for the whole community and how it effects them. Whether it is much more fair is just an opinion on the matter. If you received 10 more "no's" or so, I am sure you would not think this process as fair as you do now.

No, fairness is not an opinion, it is based on rules. And just because those rules don't favor you, doesn't mean they aren't fair. Face it, someone has to be on the downside, in this case, the rules favor my side, and they are perfectly fair no matter who's side you look at, its just that it helps some people and hurts others in this particualr case, thats the way things work.


"No one likes someone who ignores all of the constructive criticism of himself and doesn't pay any attention to peoples opinions unless he agrees, yet that is exactly what you and some others want to do."

Why do you try and slander me and others? Do you feel threatened by us? I have not once ever slandered you or spoke negative of you. So why throw that low class remark at us? Is that what a Senator that represents this community is about in your opinion? I happen to listen to everybody's opinion about me or my ideas. So please do not go around making remarks against me that you have no backing for. I happen to respect you, but if you continue to keep making ill-thought out remarks like that, I think that will vastly sway my opinion.

Well, for someone who likes to think that they are (and normally is) skilled in debate, you should realize that i used a simple tactic of relating your case to a much more understandable one, and thus revealing the true nature of your argument. There is no slandering involved, and if anyone saw it that way then they saw it completely wrong, for i meant no such thing.

nXs_Altus
11-03-2001, 11:21 PM
something that realy should be noted/clarified is the fact that no votes are NOT counted at all when it comes time to pick a senater. They are completely ignored by those that will tally the votes. It has been stated that the no votes were simply a method of getting feedback (albeit anonymous) for prospective senaters to see if they are realy liked or disliked.

Unfortunately due to fellows like viper the no votes are almost worth ignoring (unless you have LOTS) and even some yes votes are suspect but it is still a democratic enough process that most if not all of those that make it to the senate will have made it there fairly.

Lord Tirion
11-03-2001, 11:43 PM
"No one likes someone who ignores all of the constructive criticism of himself and doesn't pay any attention to peoples opinions unless he agrees, yet that is exactly what you and some others want to do."

That is not a slander? Hmmm.

It is pretty obvious you like twisting around replies to suit your need. But I am not going ot get drawn into your debate. You chastized me and others for giving our opinion about no votes saying we dont pay attention to people's opinions.. yet here you are doing exactly what you condemned.

If you want to tell yourself that I received more votes than anybody else because I was in a guild, go ahead and tell yourself that. But what you fail to realize is "how come" they are in my guild? By somebody being in your guild, that tells you that they believe in me and have respect what I represent. So whats the difference if you are in a guild? Either way, they voted for me because they know how I really am and act. I do not mean this as a rude remark but it seems so childish to me that people are taking this senate thing so serious that they are spewing out excuses on why somebody has more votes than them and if they did not get as many votes as they had hoped, and that everything is a conspiracy.. I mean come on for crying out loud.

So if people want to have a debate with Leon about no votes, let them. You say this is based on rules.. yet I never saw one rule saying when No votes would come into play. This sympathy rule came in out of nowhere. So what was it you were saying about rules?

"Well, for someone who likes to think that they are (and normally is) skilled in debate, you should realize that i used a simple tactic of relating your case to a much more understandable one, and thus revealing the true nature of your argument."

What are you a lawyer? The only thing you showed is that you just did excactly what you said was wrong about people not listening to other's opinions. I gave my opinion and you insisted on telling me I was wrong. Thats a "simple tactic"? And just what is my "true nature" of my argument? I think you are sitting high on a horse that is non-existent.

darthfergie
11-03-2001, 11:49 PM
WOw you guys went and had yourselves a huge conversation without me...no fair...:D

BTW, Leon where are the results???:D

crazy_dog
11-04-2001, 04:59 AM
Yeah, I like all the Nexsis people. I would have voted yes for them if I wasn't running.:D
Because now I just don't vote for the guys I like.
And I vote no for the people I dislike.:rolleyes:

Paragon_Leon
11-04-2001, 12:33 PM
I really, really, really, REALLY wish my posts are actually READ instead of quickly glanced over and interpreted by a whim.

I very specifically said this:

One idea i have, is that the sympathy vote-result will work through in the second round..

I did NOT say: We're going to do it as follows.

Sigh.

Deep breath.

Although this does bring certain weaknesses in possible future Senatorial behavior to the surface :D I believe the second round will make a lot clear. More later on tonight.

Tie Guy
11-04-2001, 12:42 PM
Tirion, your so subtle in twisting my words its no wonder people get the apearance of you being so calm in debates.


Originally posted by Lord Tirion
"No one likes someone who ignores all of the constructive criticism of himself and doesn't pay any attention to peoples opinions unless he agrees, yet that is exactly what you and some others want to do."

That is not a slander? Hmmm.

No, as i clearly stated above, i never meant it to be slander, and it wasn't. As i said, i'm showing your argument in differents words, it never was a personal attack on you, or anyone else, simply your false notion.


It is pretty obvious you like twisting around replies to suit your need. But I am not going ot get drawn into your debate. You chastized me and others for giving our opinion about no votes saying we dont pay attention to people's opinions.. yet here you are doing exactly what you condemned.

What do you mean? In every debate on this forum i have seen you in, you have told people they have ignored arguments, but here i have not. In fact, i did the opposite, i considered them, and gave you several reasons why i thought each were wrong, how cam that possibly be considerd ignoring them?


If you want to tell yourself that I received more votes than anybody else because I was in a guild, go ahead and tell yourself that. But what you fail to realize is "how come" they are in my guild? By somebody being in your guild, that tells you that they believe in me and have respect what I represent. So whats the difference if you are in a guild? Either way, they voted for me because they know how I really am and act. I do not mean this as a rude remark but it seems so childish to me that people are taking this senate thing so serious that they are spewing out excuses on why somebody has more votes than them and if they did not get as many votes as they had hoped, and that everything is a conspiracy.. I mean come on for crying out loud.

Don't take me wrong here, i have no problem with you, or how many votes you got, i'm sure you earned them. But we're not here to discuss your personal votes, so we'll leave it at this.


So if people want to have a debate with Leon about no votes, let them. You say this is based on rules.. yet I never saw one rule saying when No votes would come into play. This sympathy rule came in out of nowhere. So what was it you were saying about rules?

The rule that Leon made that said "no" votes would come into effect. What, you think i just made all of this up?


"Well, for someone who likes to think that they are (and normally is) skilled in debate, you should realize that i used a simple tactic of relating your case to a much more understandable one, and thus revealing the true nature of your argument."

What are you a lawyer? The only thing you showed is that you just did excactly what you said was wrong about people not listening to other's opinions. I gave my opinion and you insisted on telling me I was wrong. Thats a "simple tactic"? And just what is my "true nature" of my argument? I think you are sitting high on a horse that is non-existent.

The whole nature of debate is to persuade people to your side by proving that other's ideas are wrong and thats yours are right. I have one idea, you have another, i'm trying to prove you wrong, but you seem more interested in saying how bad i am instead of debating your side. So, if you want to give us reasons why your side is right, then go ahead. If you want to give reasons why mine are wrong, then by all means go ahead, but please don't just come in here and talk about how you think i ignored people when i didn't, and about how you think i slandered people when i didn't.

Lord Tirion
11-04-2001, 01:14 PM
Leon, I know it wasnt an "official rule" yet. =P Thats why I gave forth my opinion on it and why I was against that kind of a rule.


Tie Guy:

Some advice on how to reply with quotes... dont copy your original statement as well... otherwise you have what you just made 2 posts in a row.... huge garbled run on posts. Just copy what I wrote and then type your reply. You are making people read information that has been typed multiple times now for no reason at all.



"Tirion, your so subtle in twisting my words its no wonder people get the apearance of you being so calm in debates."

Perhaps it is because I AM calm? I do not twist any words around. I tell it like it is the way the person directed it towards me. If you feel intimidated by my method, then there is nothing I can do about it to make you feel better.


"No, as i clearly stated above, i never meant it to be slander, and it wasn't. As i said, i'm showing your argument in differents words, it never was a personal attack on you, or anyone else, simply your false notion."

I think you need to look up the word slander then Tie Guy because by that reply, you just showed that you don't know what slander is. I will spell it out for you since you are selectively choosing not to admit you slandered us. You basically said that a few other candidates and myself included are stubborn and do not listen to other's opinions nor give a damn about them. That to me is a slander. Rather than you saying that it was not a slander to back yourself out of the corner, a direct appology would have been more appropriate and mature.


"What do you mean? In every debate on this forum i have seen you in, you have told people they have ignored arguments, but here i have not. In fact, i did the opposite, i considered them, and gave you several reasons why i thought each were wrong, how cam that possibly be considerd ignoring them?"

Wasn't it you that was also in that Maul vs Vader debate saying people were wrong? Funny how we forget. As for you considering opinions, they why did you tell me my opinions were wrong? You are the one making this "ignoring" part a big hype. Not I nor anyone else.


"Don't take me wrong here, i have no problem with you, or how many votes you got, i'm sure you earned them. But we're not here to discuss your personal votes, so we'll leave it at this."

So I ask again, why did you originally bring it up?


"The rule that Leon made that said "no" votes would come into effect. What, you think i just made all of this up?"

Apparently so Tie Guy because as I recall, these are not rules. If you read carefully what Leon said, he said these were "ideas", not rules.


"The whole nature of debate is to persuade people to your side by proving that other's ideas are wrong and thats yours are right."

That is where you are wrong right there. I am not trying to persuade anybody to my "side". I was talking directly to Young David and Leon. I was not referring to anybody else.


" I have one idea, you have another, i'm trying to prove you wrong"

So what were you saying about respecting opinions? Just up above you said opinions are not wrong or right.. but here you just said you are trying to prove me wrong. Am I missing something?


"So, if you want to give us reasons why your side is right, then go ahead. If you want to give reasons why mine are wrong, then by all means go ahead, but please don't just come in here and talk about how you think i ignored people when i didn't, and about how you think i slandered people when i didn't."

Again, what "sides"? I am stating my own personal opinions. Maybe you are the one trying to sway people to your side, but I am just taking a simple approach to this by directing my opinions to Leon and Young David. If I remember directly, it was you who just came in here told me and others that we dont listen to other's opinions and that we are "wrong". I think you are having a debate more with yourself than you are with me and the others.

All I did was give my simple opinion on Leon's idea. Then you made a reply disecting my post making me out to be a person who is twisting thoughts around and trying to sway opinions and tell people they are right or wrong. I think you should look in the mirror and read your own posts very carefully before you accuse anybody of any such doings. Remember, these sympathy votes were an idea, not a rule.

Tie Guy
11-04-2001, 01:48 PM
Tirion, a little tip on posting quotes, use them!!!


Originally posted by Lord Tirion
I think you need to look up the word slander then Tie Guy because by that reply, you just showed that you don't know what slander is. I will spell it out for you since you are selectively choosing not to admit you slandered us. You basically said that a few other candidates and myself included are stubborn and do not listen to other's opinions nor give a damn about them. That to me is a slander. Rather than you saying that it was not a slander to back yourself out of the corner, a direct appology would have been more appropriate and mature.[quote]

What?!? Your the one qrongfully accusing me of wrong doing. You owe me the apology. I'm not saying that about you personally, all i'm saying is that your opinion is saying that. That doesn't mean that you are like that, but it does say that on this particular issue, you are supporting something that is. If i support capitol punishment, does that mean i kill people? NO.

[quote]
Wasn't it you that was also in that Maul vs Vader debate saying people were wrong? Funny how we forget. As for you considering opinions, they why did you tell me my opinions were wrong? You are the one making this "ignoring" part a big hype. Not I nor anyone else.[quote]

What?!? Your not making any hype on ignoring people? Your the one accusing me of ignoring, although i DON'T want to ignore people, which is my whole case. Thats is why i am NOT ignoring people, but responding to them. Just because i was in the Maul debate doesn't mean that i did just what you did. If i remember correctly, (and i do) it was you who was making the big deal about ignoring people. Oh, but you must have forgotten, funny, eh?

[quote]
Apparently so Tie Guy because as I recall, these are not rules. If you read carefully what Leon said, he said these were "ideas", not rules.

If you read it, he says that IS what we are doing, so it is the rule.


That is where you are wrong right there. I am not trying to persuade anybody to my "side". I was talking directly to Young David and Leon. I was not referring to anybody else.

If you aren't, then why are you stating it. Just by stating it you are trying to persuade Leo, and everyone else to accept your opinion. Its really not a difficult concept to grasp.


So what were you saying about respecting opinions? Just up above you said opinions are not wrong or right.. but here you just said you are trying to prove me wrong. Am I missing something?

There is a big difference between respecting peoples opinions, and agreeing with them. I respect everyones opinions, but that doesn't mean that i can't dissagree and say what my reasons for doing so are, which is all that i was doing. And your right, you must be missing something because i clearly wouldn't have stated my opinion at all if i didn't want anyone to agree to it or take it into account. Besides, i never said that one's opinions aren't right or wrong in my last few posts or in this thread. It may be my opinion to that it is ok to break the law, but is that right? No!


Again, what "sides"? I am stating my own personal opinions. Maybe you are the one trying to sway people to your side, but I am just taking a simple approach to this by directing my opinions to Leon and Young David. If I remember directly, it was you who just came in here told me and others that we dont listen to other's opinions and that we are "wrong". I think you are having a debate more with yourself than you are with me and the others.

All I did was give my simple opinion on Leon's idea. Then you made a reply disecting my post making me out to be a person who is twisting thoughts around and trying to sway opinions and tell people they are right or wrong. I think you should look in the mirror and read your own posts very carefully before you accuse anybody of any such doings. Remember, these sympathy votes were an idea, not a rule.

As i've said multiple times, having an opinion is taking a side in itself. You don't have to say, "ok, i'm taking this side" your opinion is just accepted as your "side", no matter what word you want to use for it.

If you make an opinion, but can't deal with someone else saying that you are wrong, then you shouldn't post your opinion. I'm as free to say your opinion is wrong as you are to state it. So don't get on to me about me saying you are wrong, brcause in order for something to be decided, point from both sides need to be heard. you obviously want your side to be accepted, and i want mine, so i state how yours i not the best way to do it. If you would like to state how you think mine is not the best way, then take this opportunity to do so.

Nevertheless, DO NOT get mad at me simply because i proved you wrong or said you weren't right, that is what seriously deserves an apology. THAT, is what is truly wrong about this.

DarkTrooper
11-04-2001, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by Tie Guy
Tirion, a little tip on posting quotes, use them!!!




If you read it, he says that IS what we are doing, so it is the rule.



If you aren't, then why are you stating it. Just by stating it you are trying to persuade Leo, and everyone else to accept your opinion. Its really not a difficult concept to grasp.



There is a big difference between respecting peoples opinions, and agreeing with them. I respect everyones opinions, but that doesn't mean that i can't dissagree and say what my reasons for doing so are, which is all that i was doing. And your right, you must be missing something because i clearly wouldn't have stated my opinion at all if i didn't want anyone to agree to it or take it into account. Besides, i never said that one's opinions aren't right or wrong in my last few posts or in this thread. It may be my opinion to that it is ok to break the law, but is that right? No!



As i've said multiple times, having an opinion is taking a side in itself. You don't have to say, "ok, i'm taking this side" your opinion is just accepted as your "side", no matter what word you want to use for it.

If you make an opinion, but can't deal with someone else saying that you are wrong, then you shouldn't post your opinion. I'm as free to say your opinion is wrong as you are to state it. So don't get on to me about me saying you are wrong, brcause in order for something to be decided, point from both sides need to be heard. you obviously want your side to be accepted, and i want mine, so i state how yours i not the best way to do it. If you would like to state how you think mine is not the best way, then take this opportunity to do so.

Nevertheless, DO NOT get mad at me simply because i proved you wrong or said you weren't right, that is what seriously deserves an apology. THAT, is what is truly wrong about this.
ow that hurts my eyes trying to read it. man Tie you must type very fast to be able to type that. without breaking your fingers

Lord Tirion
11-04-2001, 02:30 PM
Tie Guy: Nope. I wont use them because they make the post look more like a spreadsheet then actually a text message. As for your whines, I wont get drawn in any further. It is obvious you are backing yourself in the corner now unwilling to admit you goofed on what you said about the candidates. You keep whining about opinions and yet you CONTINOUSLY contradict your "philosophies" by criticizing somebody else's opinions. Give me a break.... I said my piece. I do not need to keep getting the last word in like you seem so obsessed over by quoting the whole entire babble and saying the same things over and over.


Darktrooper: You obviously have no idea on what a debate is OR an opinion. How many flame wars have you gotten into?? I am surprised they even let you run for the Senate. You continously flame everybody and you expect people to respect your replies? You go around the forum declaring yourself a mod telling people what post should be where and what should be posted and not. We will not forget that you are Viper's toadie. So before you throw a stone at anybody, go read all YOUR posts and how you act like a child in them calling them names and acting like a 2 year old. You proved me wrong?? What are you a little kid with a score card?? You happen to prove yourself the biggest hyprocrite with that post right there LOL. You say that I should "respect" everybody's opinion.. yet you DID THE SAME THING TIE GUY JUST DID by saying I am the one wrong and that my opinions are all wrong LOL. You are making this topic a laugher and anybody who has the least bit of intelligence can see that. Hypocracy as its best. And now you are calling Leon a liar as well. Do you have any character whatsoever?

Paragon_Leon
11-04-2001, 02:59 PM
ok, before we all get serious RSI... :D

My post was clear; they were ideas. Not an announcement of a rule. I've stated that that will come.

Now please don't start big word-wars over some use of words. That is totally unnecessary. I'm asking for a little mature response to this, without an integrated stab under water please.

Thrawn
11-04-2001, 03:06 PM
Three cheers for Tie Guy! :D I agree with Tie. Tirion, you are arguing against Tie Guy his person, instead of arguing against his ideas, or for your ideas. If you are really such an upstanding guy (which it think is true), then why don't you give all these reasons to vote for you? All you are doing is saying Tie is a liar (which is not true). If you want us to support you, stop plotting Tie's demise, and tell us why you would make a good Senator! :)

Lord Tirion
11-04-2001, 03:14 PM
Thrawn, remind me to buy you some glasses so you can read posts better and comprehend them... or is it that you are just Tie Guy's friend? I did nothing of the sort. Quite frankly, I am VERY disapointed in this community. He makes a statement stating our candidates are not good enough for him in that they dont listen to opinions.. yet in black and white.. you people shield your eyes and ignore the fact that he IS doing just that. I am NOT calling Tie Guy Hitler (lol) but then you kids in school wonder how a guy like Hitler comes to power and ask how can people follow him...

Leon, I appologise for contributing to that debate. That should have been in a separate thread and not in this one. But I am shocked that some forummers have the audacity to make statements against other candidates only to have those same candidates backing that forummer. All i can do is roll my eyes and laugh. It just proves that they only read what they want to read. But I will not continue this any longer in this thread. If they want a debate, they will have to make a new thread and then I would be happy to continue.

Delphi's Clone
11-04-2001, 03:22 PM
yes i agree and that is how it was supposed to be in the buggining but leon changed it :(

Lord Tirion
11-04-2001, 03:34 PM
Well we will just have to see Delphi. Leon said it isnt etched in stone so we will have to see what he rules. Either way I am not going to cause a big ruckus over what he does rule in the end. I mean after all, the Senate IS his child and I am happy alone to be a part of it and to help in tournies and make this gaming community boom with fun. So lets just wait and see =)

Tie Guy
11-04-2001, 05:34 PM
Ok, First of all, Sorry Leo, i was perfectly satisfied to leave it as it was, but i can't let this stand as it is, i have to make a few quick comments to defend myself from this and i will leave it at that.

Originally posted by Lord Tirion
It is obvious you are backing yourself in the corner now unwilling to admit you goofed on what you said about the candidates. You keep whining about opinions and yet you CONTINOUSLY contradict your "philosophies" by criticizing somebody else's opinions. Give me a break.... I said my piece. I do not need to keep getting the last word in like you seem so obsessed over by quoting the whole entire babble and saying the same things over and over.


First, i wouldn't need to say the same things over if you would just listen to my opinions like you keep accusing me of not doing instead of throwing the same things at me again and again.

Second, i thought i made it perfectly clear that agreeing and not repecting are not the same. I respect everyone's opinion, but i certainly disagree with some of them, like in this instance, so please don't go around saying i hate everyones disrespect everyone's opinions because i don't, i simply disagree, and say why.


He makes a statement stating our candidates are not good enough for him in that they dont listen to opinions..

That is as slanderous as it gets!!! You make a personal attack on me, then laugh it off. I won't stand for that, and no one else should either. Especially when it is an asssumption, and totally not true. I am all for any canidiate who can get enough votes by the correct process. I NEVER said that candidates weren't good enough for me, not once. Besides, it doesn't matter if they are good enough for me, it is the people who count, and that is why i am fighting for there opiniosn to get counted, and not say that they don't matter at all.


But I am shocked that some forummers have the audacity to make statements against other candidates only to have those same candidates backing that forummer. All i can do is roll my eyes and laugh.

Talk about Hypocracy!!! YOU are the one attacking me. Rather than giving me reasons why i am wrong, you basically say i am stupid and arrogant and too good for everybody. Come now, i am shocked at your audacity to make statements against other candidates only to roll your eyes and laugh!!! One other forummer already backs me, and i'm sure that if they all read my posts, then yours, they will all agree that i'm not the one attacking anyone. At least, not until after you attacked my personal repuation, then i have to defend myself.

Lord Tirion
11-04-2001, 06:23 PM
Dude stop whining. Leon said drop it and like I said.. you just HAVE to try and get the last word in. We all saw what you said about us candidates and opinions and there is no backtracking now. If you want to keep this childish act up, make a new post and I will be happy to reply.