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MeddlingMonk
12-19-2001, 07:25 AM
Novel? There's a novel?

Yes, there is. Sort of. Not published or anything but it does exist. I should know. I wrote it. Metallus can vouch for that if he wants more air holes.

It's been hosted by Glottis' Garage (find it through the Grim Fandango Network page) for over a year. Small problem, though. There's also a short story to go with it. GG's novel page was updated for it before Dozer went down, but the novel page on the resurrected GG is pre-story. I don't know if Helios (the guy who has maintained GG) will return or not. So...if anyone wants to get to the totally complete thingy, the only way right now is to go to my Yahoo! Briefcase (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/meddlingmonk) and go into the Grim Fandango Novel folder. There's also a folder containing mp3s of unused dialog.

OK, for those who don't know already (like this post isn't long enough), just what the ampersand-semi-colon-dollar-sign is this novel thing? Well, duh, it's a novel of Grim Fandango. But, really, it's a little more than that.

I've never been all that happy with most fan novelizations. Not because they're amaturish, but because many are more or less transcripts of games with a little connecting prose. And if that's what the authors were after it's not my intention to condemn them; my point is that I wanted to be a bit more ambitious. The basic idea behind my little effort was 'If Grim Fandango had started as a novel, what might it have been like?' I did two general things to get there: first, because the game had a film noir inspiration, and since many noir films were based on hardboiled detective novels, I went with (or attempted) that kind of style; second, I 'forgot' that it was ever a game. That is, puzzles go 'pfft' and the gaps between years get filled in so that there is a continuous narrative.

So far the novel hasn't caused cancer it lab rats. Of course, the rats can't read.

As for the short story, I chose to do the novel in the first person (from Manny's perspective, natch), but there was one big incident in the game that he didn't witness: Don Copal being sprouted by Hector LeMans. So it got left out of the novel. Manny didn't see it, so he couldn't relate it (although he does learn from Salvador that Copal disappeared and that Domino replaced him). The short story fills in that omission. But it's more than that as it covers some of the early events of the game and novel from Domino's unpleasant point of view. And because there's some dependance on the novel, the short story probably won't make much sense in places to anyone who hasn't read the novel (and there are no guarantees if you have).

My fingers are weary so I'm stopping now.

Tall Guy
12-19-2001, 10:45 AM
I read the novel Monk and i have to say it was VERY good. Highly recomended :)

Hel-ter
12-19-2001, 01:05 PM
I never got to reading it, I only red segments

perhaps you should send an official e-mail to LucAr telling them about the novel and they might publish it

Metallus
12-19-2001, 01:20 PM
I still need to read this sucker. I have a hard time reading things on the computer, though, but I'll give it a shot.

MeddlingMonk
12-19-2001, 02:17 PM
I don't think LEC would have it published, Hel-ter. While I was writing it, and when I saw that it wasn't sucking as badly as I expected, I thought it might be worthwhile to try what you suggest but it turns out that their policy is not even to respond to unsolicited ideas.

I could find an agent and try it that way...but that'd probably still be blown off. That's ok, though. I really only did it to see if I could. I'm surprised at how well the thing has been received by the people who have read it. It's weak parts have been criticized, of course, but no one's hated it and said so (yet).

Met: You could print the WordPad version but personally I don't think its worth killing a tree for.

Gabez
12-19-2001, 02:28 PM
By the way, I love the new forums.

Hel-ter
12-19-2001, 03:31 PM
DAmned and I was hoping for a 10% for bringin it op to you

Tall Guy
12-19-2001, 05:14 PM
do we get a discount if we just like it?....no?....oh ok

Jedi_Knight
12-19-2001, 10:51 PM
cool I will read it as soon as I can

Fender
12-20-2001, 05:04 AM
I would, it is a truly brilliant novel.

MeddlingMonk
12-20-2001, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by fender
I would, it is a truly brilliant novel.

No money has exchanged hands. Really.

Hel-ter
12-20-2001, 05:32 AM
hey what's that avatar meaning if I may ask...?

MeddlingMonk
12-20-2001, 05:50 AM
It's a police box. They used to be used all over England up to the '70s. They were a combination telephone booth (for emergencies only) and storage (like roadblocks).

It's also the Tardis (time and relative dimensions in space), Dr. Who's time machine. Tardises (Tardii?) are supposed to change shape according to their surroundings but the Doctor's is defective. It got stuck in the shape of a police box during an extended stay in London in 1963.

It's connected to my user name. The Doctor's first adversary from his own race was called the Monk, who appeared in the stories The Time Meddler and The Dalek Masterplan. In the first he was trying to change the outcome of the Battle of Hastings and avert the Norman Conquest.

Hel-ter
12-20-2001, 05:51 AM
and you have a personal bandage with these?

MeddlingMonk
12-20-2001, 05:54 AM
You lost me.

Hel-ter
12-20-2001, 05:56 AM
well now I understand what it is but I don't understand why you use it as an avatar

just me wanting to know everything...

Fender
12-20-2001, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by MeddlingMonk


No money has exchanged hands. Really.

Yes, no money at all has been exchanged in my praise of his wonderful, superb, illoustrious, mega, kajunga, hilarious, funny, excellent.........

*Goes on for 2 hours in the same strain*

....brilliant, great, godlike fan novel! I would suggest that you read it now.

Hel-ter
12-20-2001, 05:59 AM
so now 7 hour have gone already (5+2)

Fender
12-20-2001, 06:00 AM
well I'm uncapable of making anything else even remotely funny up.

Hel-ter
12-20-2001, 06:03 AM
hahahahaahahah that remark was funny :-))

Fender
12-20-2001, 06:11 AM
*bows*

Here's my card......

*hand him card*

MeddlingMonk
12-20-2001, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by Hel-ter
well now I understand what it is but I don't understand why you use it as an avatar

just me wanting to know everything...

Read the third paragraph in my explanation post. It probably wasn't there when you first read it. (I edited the post, but you're just too quick. :D )

Hel-ter
12-20-2001, 06:43 AM
ah now I get it I think

Fender
12-20-2001, 06:55 AM
That's nice......

scabb
12-20-2001, 05:04 PM
* scabb whistles the Dr Who theme tune

MeddlingMonk
12-21-2001, 04:12 AM
...whether you like it or not.

Hel-ter
12-21-2001, 05:30 AM
I'm thrilled.

Fender
12-21-2001, 05:53 AM
At Scabb whistling the Dr Who them tune? You are an easy man to please.

Hel-ter
12-21-2001, 05:54 AM
I'm so easy, I come when I see a naked shoulder

Fender
12-21-2001, 05:59 AM
That's way to much information...

Hel-ter
12-21-2001, 06:02 AM
why do you think I spebnd so many hours behind my screeN,

Fender
12-21-2001, 06:05 AM
cos you live in the middle of nowhere?

Hel-ter
12-21-2001, 06:07 AM
that too, and because I am incapable of making a decent conversation with anyone without constantly yelling 'they're in the holes!'

Fender
12-21-2001, 06:10 AM
ahhhhhhhh..... nwo I'm scared of you.

Hel-ter
12-21-2001, 06:13 AM
then my job is done here and I can rest in peace


set the controls for the heart of the sun

Fender
12-21-2001, 06:20 AM
who are you working for?

NiKo
12-21-2001, 12:49 PM
you wrote the novel??
let me shake your hand!!
let me polish your shoe!!
let me kiss your....*someone slaps me*

i read the novel twice!
i printed it out and made it into a book
it RULES!
best novel i've read
(pretty much only novel i've read)

but honestly. the novel kicks ass!

Hel-ter
12-21-2001, 05:37 PM
speaking of novels, what do you guys read (people who don't read don't need to answer to this)

JollyRoger
12-22-2001, 01:22 AM
some books i like

fight club
clockwork orange
catcher in they rye
on the road (havent finished)

i wish i could read more :D

Hel-ter
12-22-2001, 04:35 AM
Most of the books I read are from Belgian or Dutch writers, so I don't think you'll know them

MeddlingMonk
12-22-2001, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by NiKo
you wrote the novel??
let me shake your hand!!
let me polish your shoe!!
let me kiss your....*someone slaps me*
Are you saying you want to be my groupie? Flattering yet disgusting. :D

Originally posted by NiKo
best novel i've read
(pretty much only novel i've read)
Could've guessed that. ;)

Seriously, if you liked it there are some real novels you might like. I tried to write the novelization in the style of hardboiled detective novels, so maybe you should try some of those like Raymond Chandler's The Big Sleep or Dashiell Hammett's The Thin Man.

(I was smart enough not to try to imitate anyone, but I had The Thin Man in mind the whole time because it mixed humor into the hardboiled. And Nick Charles in his movie incarnation shows up in Café Calavera on opening night; he's the guy telling the bartender that mixing drinks needs the right rhythm.)

Jake
12-22-2001, 04:17 PM
I have only read the first 10 or so pages of the Grim novel and the first 3 or so of the Sprouting of Don Copal and I need to finish them both now :)

It's really great stuff! However, you need an editor :) The first sentence of the GF novel irked me a little, how it immediately substituted "Department of Death" with "DOD." ... but yeah that's awesome.

I think if it were ever published as a book, opening with the sprouting of don copal would be a great way to go, as a sort of preface, then dump you into the story of Manny.

MeddlingMonk
12-22-2001, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Jake
It's really great stuff! However, you need an editor :)
In Ned Sparks mode: 'You're telling me? I'm telling you!'

I'm not sure I get the problem with going with the acronym after spelling it out once. Seems like SOP to me. :p But, yeah, it could've used an independent editor, but *shrug*.

I revised the opening at least four times. I'm still not happy with it. The tone doesn't seem right. I'm not sure what would be right, so that's the heart of the problem right there.

If you downloaded the PDF version of the Domino story, you'll find at the end of it a couple of pages of what I think are the biggest problems in the novel...but that probably won't make much sense until you've read the whole thing.

The Dogfuchow
12-24-2001, 10:50 PM
ahhh, I never even beat the damn game and now there's a fan novelization.

well, hope it's good, I just may read it.

anything Fandango's too good to pass up ('less it sucks, for sure)

--kickass cover, I love that artwork, concept art kicks ass

Metallus
12-25-2001, 12:58 AM
I downloaded it (the novel), but I still have to make time to read it through. I had no idea it would be so, well, long!

The Dogfuchow
12-25-2001, 02:18 AM
ooh, that's some sharp thinking, Met.

Hel-ter
12-25-2001, 12:54 PM
so sharp you could reap a lost sould with it

Fender
12-25-2001, 06:36 PM
It's about 130 pages long or something.

Schmatz
12-25-2001, 07:50 PM
When someone is determined.. hell they are determined... good job meddlingmonk ;)

Helios
12-26-2001, 10:45 PM
The novel kicked some ass.

FLaNk2
12-27-2001, 03:49 AM
:manny: hola.
^ did i do that right?
anyways, you should do a book about me.
pages = 1
letters in book= 0
words = 0
title = "how cool norman is"
bahahahahaha.... *cough*
oh well, cyas
(i prefer yabb :()

FLaNk2
12-27-2001, 03:54 AM
im norman btw i left that out :P but you could probably pick up on that... anyways, the chickens in the oven, gotta go

MeddlingMonk
12-27-2001, 05:06 AM
Originally posted by Helios
The novel kicked some ass.

Very bony ass.

Now, if that novel page would just get re-updated there'd be a pair of asses to kick. :p

Poor Mojo. Three months down and it'll probably take at least that long for every hosted site to get back in form.

Metallus
12-28-2001, 05:34 AM
Well, Glottis's Garage appears to be in nearly perfect working order, the Grim Fandango Network main site is 95% good to go (still toiling with the hosted site update thingie), and GFC is about 80% back. The news script is still messed up, and won't be fixed until Zaarin gets back so he can access it's admin section and make the necessary fixes.

MeddlingMonk
12-28-2001, 07:37 AM
World of Monkey Island is back now. The Scumm Bar is still in Mini form. LucasFans is 404. Others are back, others Mini, others MIA. I wonder how many sites will stay gone? Will Plunder3D ever see the light of day? What is that thing crawling up my leg?

Huz
02-11-2002, 06:13 PM
Here is a tip to anyone wanting to print this out and save the environment at the same time: don't bother. You will try to print on both sides of the paper. Your printer will print the first side and then eat the paper when you feed it through again. Your printer hates you. You have been warned.

And that is my excuse for never reading this thing, despite the fact I downloaded it when it was first unleashed. Honest! :)

MeddlingMonk
02-11-2002, 09:40 PM
That's what digital photocopiers are for.

Actually, that's what monitors are for, too.

Metallus
02-11-2002, 09:49 PM
Nahhhh, that's what publishers are for.

venom378
02-11-2002, 11:41 PM
Monk, I love the work you did with the game making it into a novel. It freakin rules.

I printed out the novel a few months back a read it on a road trip. :D I didnt even bother trying to do it on both sides lol

Metallus
02-11-2002, 11:57 PM
Somewhere there is one less tree ;P.

venom378
02-12-2002, 08:03 PM
Yea, I'm sure I used at least two trees...:p

MeddlingMonk
02-13-2002, 11:23 AM
That's why I locked the PDF version so it couldn't be printed. It's easy on the eyes on screen, but it's almost 400 pages long.

Have you read The Sprouting of Don Copal, venom? Probably not. It sort of got lost during the long server switch.

Which reminds me. The thing needs better exposer than it's getting. There's Helios' site, but the novel page hasn't been updated to include the short story (and it's his site so I can't pester him) and he doesn't seem to be active any more. My briefcase (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/meddlingmonk/lst?.dir=/Grim+Fandango+Novel&.view=l) isn't exactly high profile. Maybe someone with an active site would be willing to mirror.

There will be a new 'installment' tomorrow, a Valentine's Day-themed piece.

Metallus
02-15-2002, 02:11 AM
I'll be glad to host/mirror it once GFN4 is up. I'm going to launch wednesday of next week, done or not. The design is complete, but I'm still sorting out the techincal stuff. A lot of that can be worked on without readers noticing though.

Tall Guy
02-15-2002, 05:57 AM
no sneak previews?...oh go on!

MeddlingMonk
02-16-2002, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Metallus
I'll be glad to host/mirror it once GFN4 is up.

:cool:

Let me know what you'd need/want from me (apart from the files which you can just nick from the briefcase).

Metallus
02-16-2002, 11:56 AM
I just need your eternal soul wrapped in a manilla folder. :voodoo:

Seriously, I don't think there's much else I need besides the files, but I'll let you know when the time comes.

Tall Guy
02-16-2002, 12:39 PM
so whens GFN4 ready?....nearly finished?

NiKo
02-23-2002, 11:03 AM
the GF novel ruled.

now all i need is for the MI novel to be finnished....Grrrr

it hasnt been updated for nealry 2 years now

Fender
02-25-2002, 08:57 AM
I once started wrting a Broken Sword Novel.... I sdhould probably go back to that. I haven't done anything on it for nearly 5 months.

Tall Guy
03-04-2002, 05:58 PM
cool, how far did u get?

MeddlingMonk
03-04-2002, 11:40 PM
I wonder if, some distant day, any professional novelists will emerge from the fan-fiction thing. It's possible; look at Star Trek. On the other hand, unlike the ST fan fiction of the '70s, computer game FF writers seem to be more or less isolated from each other. Computer games as such aren't much of a unifier, and there doesn't seem to any equivalents to the fanzine.

Ryback
03-08-2002, 12:36 AM
This is an interesting thread, so I'll delurk.

You're right, there isn't anything resembling a network of computer game fanfic writers. The best resource I know of is this website (http://www.socalbrand.com/quest), and it's basically dead at the moment. There just aren't enough active writers: Monkey Island fanfiction has maybe five, estimating very generously.

Also, Niko: there is another (http://lucasfic.cjb.net/novels.htm) :D