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digl
01-02-2002, 01:54 PM
Remember the first time you fired up Half-Life, wandered through the corridors a bit, and found yourself overwhelmed by just how much better it was than every other FPS out there? Well that's exactly what happened to me with Unreal II.
Sounds very promising
here is the preview (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?domain=&feed=index&page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/previews/previews_story.php?id=23069)

some good shots here (http://www.unreal2.com/gallery.html)

OnlyOneCanoli
01-02-2002, 03:32 PM
The author was really impressed. Is that a flamethrower in the screenshots? It looks nice. I can't wait for this game!

Darth_Lando
01-02-2002, 04:21 PM
I obtained a beta of this game through a "friend" but unfortunately it didn't work on my 3d card.

Apparently it has only been coded for NVIDIA cards so I had to delete the 1.2 gig folder off my hard drive :(

StormHammer
01-02-2002, 06:02 PM
Yes, it does sound like Unreal II is going to steal Half-Life's crown. I've been hotly anticipating this game for a while. I don't think I'm going to be disappointed. ;)

OnlyOneCanoli
01-03-2002, 02:30 AM
Oh my, looks like we have some solid UT2 info, too.

From VE (http://www.ve3d.com) :

-There will be vehicles to drive.
-Sophisticated skeletal animation. For example, you'll have a different animation when switching weapons depending on the weapon, race and movement the character was doing while switching weapon.
-Sophisticated math engine used to animate the environnement and characters. For example, characters wont fall the same way twice (wow!). If a character falls and there are a few ledges under him, he will bounce off each of them in a realistic way.
-Special moves that requires energy: speed and berserk (only two mentionned). When a player dies, he leaves a small energy sphere. Pick it up and you gather the energy needed for those special moves.
-Other special moves that requires no energy: strafe dodge, double jump and another one that will allow you to stay in the air a fraction of a second more when jumping (allowing you to dodge a rocket, for example).
-Six races with 26 models total (+ skins for each): Egyptians, geneticaly enhanced humans (juggernauts), aliens, a race called Nightmare, robots and mercenaries.
-About 30 maps ranging from lava worlds, ice worlds, jungles, space station, deserts...
-On the single player part: 3 ladders (colonial, world, empire, you will command a team, you will be able to improve the abilities (aiming, agility, tactical) of each member after winning games, you will assigh a role to each member of the team (offense, defence, mobile), you will be able to purchase warriors from a roaster of all-stars.
-All weapons have been modified, no more razorjack and biorifle. --Secondary fire mode will be there.
-No more ammo packs, armour and medpacks. Replaced by recharge platforms: one for heath, one for armour and one for weapons. You will be recharged progressively while standing on the platform.
-You will re-spwan with all weapons (except for two special ones) and packed with ammo.

I found the last point particularly interesting, as well as the new health system. Sounds cool.

Darth Simpson
01-03-2002, 09:47 AM
-You will re-spwan with all weapons (except for two special ones) and packed with ammo.

Sounds strange... I would imagine that this would make everyone run around with the best weapon, and leave all the others un-used.

digl
01-03-2002, 10:05 AM
that is because there are two "best weapons", that you dont start with (I guess redeemer and ?)
Probably the weapons you start with have been balanced in such a way that no one is better than the other, they are all useful for different occasions
No more ammo packs, armour and medpacks. Replaced by recharge platforms: one for heath, one for armour and one for weapons. You will be recharged progressively while standing on the platform
this will change the strategy of mp a lot

All the other things sound very impressive

Darth Simpson
01-03-2002, 11:11 AM
Still doesn't sound right to me...

Either the amount of guns are really low, or they are all extremely powerful. Imagine you spawn with a minugun and a handgun. Which one would you rather use? And I just can't see the handgun dealing more damage than the minigun in any situation.

Unless the different weapons deal different damage to each of the six species.

digl
01-03-2002, 11:58 AM
mmmm
lets see
UT weapons are
pistols
bio rifle
shock rifle
plasma gun
razor
minigun
flak cannon
rocket launcher
sniper
redeemer

theres no bio rifle nor razor

it says weapons were modified

so we start with something like

pistols
shock rifle
plasma gun
minigun
flak cannon
rocket launcher

Or maybe without rocket launcher and flak cannon
you are right there is no way a handgun can be modified to match the minigun
unless it fires some kind of poisoned bullet that drains energy after the hit :)

I guess we will have to wait for more details

StormHammer
01-03-2002, 01:51 PM
OMG... :eek:

So UT2 does (probably) exist! :D

Great stuff. I really enjoyed UT, so if the gameplay has been improved (rather than hacked to pieces), then UT2 should be a great blast. It looks like there's a lot of Unreal Championship influence in there, which may be no bad thing.

I'm sure that visually it will be top-notch stuff...but as you guys point out, that bit about spawning with all weapons sounds really strange. Does this mean there will be no ammo to pick up? So maybe you could start off using the biggest gun, and have to go to the next as your ammo runs out? That might work out okay, actually, because you could choose which weapon to use up first...or just keep mixing and matching...and maybe save your bigger weapon until last. It would certainly tackle some of the issues around people just using the biggest weapons all of the time. Of course, what then happens when all of your ammo is gone? I guess we'll have to wait and see how this pans out.

Anyway, it's good to see that the SP part of the game has been retained...it makes you wonder what the bots will be like this time around. :)

All we need now is DNF and Maelstrom (PC version) to arrive this year, and we'll have 4 PC Unreal engine titles to play. (I can't see Deus Ex 2 or Thief III gracing our hard drives this year, though I could be totally wrong) Not bad at all. Has it ever been a better time to be a gamer? :D

Darth Simpson
01-03-2002, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by StormHammer
Has it ever been a better time to be a gamer? :D

Nope. ;)

BTW, here are the scans from the French magazine VE got their info from. Some small screens included.

#1 (http://planetunreal.com/images/screens/ut2_010202_1.jpg)

#2 (http://planetunreal.com/images/screens/ut2_010202_2.jpg)

#3 (http://planetunreal.com/images/screens/ut2_010202_3.jpg)

#4 (http://planetunreal.com/images/screens/ut2_010202_4.jpg)

digl
01-03-2002, 04:53 PM
It says 3rd trimester 2002!It would be great but I doubt it

#1 reminds me of spawn

Wilhuf
01-03-2002, 05:58 PM
No biorifle! Damn, I loved that weapon. It worked really well if you had to patience to develop a little skill with it.

digl
01-03-2002, 06:07 PM
It was good If used well
But most people didnt appreciate it :(

you could ambush people, trap them in corners as they ran away from the biowaste shots, desintegrate them with a fully charged shot :D

Wilhuf
01-03-2002, 08:44 PM
Definitely. I especially liked loading up the biorifle to full power, and wait in ambush. Just use the thing like a shotgun. Even a shield-belt wearer could be killed by one of those ;)

Wilhuf
01-03-2002, 08:52 PM
Our Belgian friends at Jim.be (http://jim.be/html/content/games/specials/details.htm?id=32) have some actual screenshots from U2.

Here is an odd sample screen:

http://jim.be/grafiek/uploads/gamepower/specials/32-3_ss.jpg

Thanks Shacknews (http://www.shacknews.com/) .

digl
01-03-2002, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by Wilhuf
Definitely. I especially liked loading up the biorifle to full power, and wait in ambush. Just use the thing like a shotgun. Even a shield-belt wearer could be killed by one of those ;)
hehe
that was fun, maybe I should start playing UT again

thanks for the link to the shots, but they didnt impress me at all
I guess they are very early, everything looks too simple and Its all aliased

Wilhuf
01-03-2002, 09:28 PM
I suppose they still have some room for improvement. That one picture looks like something out of KISS PsychoCircus (http://www.godgames.com/main.php?section=gamers&game=kpc).
http://pcmedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/kiss_line1.jpg

digl
01-03-2002, 09:44 PM
Im sure Itll look better
It should look at least as good as U2

Vagabond
01-03-2002, 09:53 PM
No doubt, Wilhuf. That pic from <a href="http://jim.be/html/content/games/specials/details.htm?id=32" target="_blank">Jim.be</a> looks like a cross between <a href="http://us.imdb.com/Title?0095444" target="_blank">Killer Klowns from Outer Space</a> and <a href="http://212.152.174.28/snakepit/gallery/gallery/slash`s%20snakepit18.htm" target="_blank">Slash</a> from Guns'n'Roses :cool:

digl
01-03-2002, 09:58 PM
your posts use smart tags?:D

Wilhuf
01-03-2002, 10:06 PM
LOL Slash should have been cast in Attack of the Clones, rather than NSYNC.

Actually it appears I have posted links to pictures of Unreal Tournament II, not Unreal II.

digl
01-03-2002, 10:11 PM
yes you did
some good Unreal 2 (http://www.unreal2.com/gallery.html) shots

Vagabond
01-03-2002, 10:30 PM
So, who do you think's hotter? The <a href="http://www.unreal2.com/gallery.html" target="_blank">Unreal 2 Chick</a> or <a href="http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/marajadeskywalker/index_eu.html" target="_blank">Mara Jade</a>? ;)

Wilhuf
01-04-2002, 09:14 AM
Jade wins that contest.

But, I would never accept the Unreal2 chick as my intelligence officer (her supposed role in the game). She looks like she's about 12 years old, but with accelerated mammary development ;) Although that go-go Jade (Fonda Wannabe?) would also be hard to take seriously as your chief intel officer ...

I can see it now:

Operations Commander: Jade, brief me on the mission status.
Jade: I will as soon as I've finished my go-go dance! *dances and writhes*
Unreal2 Chick: (vacuous) Fer sure, commander, like, uh, as if!... *dances*

thrEEpaGe
01-04-2002, 09:55 AM
*rolls eyes*

well, you have to take into account that mara jade has only been rendered....never actually seen in a movie or anything like that...

and since the unreal girl has been rendered in beautiful unreal 3d, i would have to say that the unreal girl wins....

oh, and by the way, those pics you saw on teh french site are basically UC pics.....while im not debating the fact that there probably is going to be UT2, those pics now have progressed little (if any at all) from the UC (er UW engine)...because of its later release date, you can expect that UT2 will be cool...

as for unreal warfare coming out on pc or xbox....from what ive heard, UW is simply the name of the um......trying to think of the word......of the evolution of the unreal engine (i know evo isnt the word i wanted)....

but, if UW is a game, i doubt that they would release another U game onto the xbox (why would they want to compete with themselves)....from what ive seen on faq's, UW could be a game or just the engine evo name (that name is making me mad.....im going to go insane!)...

but apart from all that, U2 is going to rock! (especially since im giong to be having to upgrade to a gf4/equiv for D3/Q4....)

u2's gfx are unbelievable.....10x the polys of UT if im not mistaken (im not).....its optimized for D3D8, joining the ranks of max payne and dropping down teh prices of video cards (yay!)

your new video card will be needed, and if you dont have a gf2ultra at hte very least, you will be disappointed (im going to keep my gf2ultra till gf4 comes out.....) anyway, i hope it runs good on my system....heh....

Vagabond
01-04-2002, 11:15 AM
LOL Wilhuf! I guess I'll make a go at a fictional script involving the aforementioned Babe-raham Lincolns:

Variation I - Mara Jade

Talon Karrde: Mara Jade, sensors indicate that an Imperial Star Destroyer has made orbit around Myrkr. Do we have intelligence on any Imperial agents in or about the spaceport?

Shaking like a seizing serpent, Mara attempts a flirtatious glance Karrde's way. Her pulsing response is reminiscent of a person hooked up to a perma-paint shaker.

Mara Jade: Everything's groovy, baby.

Mara blows Karrde a kiss and clings her finger-cymbals while reveling in her robotic dance routine.

Karrde suddenly feels warm and finds himself wiping sweat beads from his forehead that he didn't know were there.


Variation II - Unreal 2 Chick

Talon Karrde: Unreal 2 Chick, sensors indicate that an Imperial Star Destroyer has made orbit around Myrkr. Do we have intelligence on any Imperial agents in or about the spaceport?

Unreal 2 Chick smacks her gum while twirling her hair in her fingers.

Unreal 2 Chick: Ya, uh...like, I don't know, ya know? But, like, I've got this totally bodacious tattoo on my belly button. So, I was like...thinking...I really want to pierce my tongue!

Talon Karrde: Forgive me, but I suddenly feel very compelled to ask...do I know you?

StormHammer
01-04-2002, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Wilhuf
No biorifle! Damn, I loved that weapon. It worked really well if you had to patience to develop a little skill with it.

I too liked the BioRifle, in both Unreal and UT. As you said in your other post, powered up it is a very deadly weapon, and useful for cornering your opponent, as digl said. I also didn't mind the Ripper (primary mode), because it was useful for head-shots, though I understand in online MP (which I haven't really played much at all) that it's a bit of a spammer's weapon...filling corridors with hundreds of discs...

Slash should have been cast in Attack of the Clones, rather than NSYNC.

LOL ;) Maybe we'll see something like it in Episode III...if GL's daughter is so inclined. :rolleyes:

Vagabond... ROFL :D

Originally posted by thrEEpaGe
but, if UW is a game, i doubt that they would release another U game onto the xbox (why would they want to compete with themselves)....

Why would you doubt it? They release them on the PC, why not any other consoles? :confused: Not that I'm getting an X-Box (or any other console at the moment), but they can release any of the U games on any platform if they wish. U2 and UT2 will have different styles of gameplay, in the same way as their predecessors. They're not really competing with each other, or their prequels.

Anyway, AFAIK, Unreal Warfare is a game being produced by Epic. They only refer to the engine as the UW build due to it's considerable advancements over the UT build of the engine. ;)

Anyway, I'm not really worried about the graphics in any of the games powered by the Unreal engine...my only real concern is whether the gameplay will surpass the visuals. There is currently a bit too much emphasis on visual impact rather than solid gameplay.

Agen
01-04-2002, 01:37 PM
Just realised after i read the first paragraph that that was in PC Zone about 2 month ago. www.pczone.com is there site but it's now hosted by computer and videogames site.There's soem new screens in the mag but the guy sure seems excited about it. Also NIVIDA made a contract with U2 guys and it's been made so the code only shows up with Geforce cards which is quite dodgy because not everyone has a gf card.by the time this comes out i don't know if i'll be getting a change form my radeon for a while so i might be screwed.

OnlyOneCanoli
01-04-2002, 05:55 PM
Here's UT2 stuff. ThanksVE (http://www.ve3d.com).

Infogrames confirms Unreal Tournament 2 in the making by Digital Extremes. As rumored all week online, the co-creators of Unreal and Unreal Tournament are currently working on the sequel to the infamous 1999 Game of the Year. Late next week, in conjunction with the February issue of PC Gamer, Infogrames will officially announce the game and detail all the news currently available at this point in development. The cover story includes an in-depth interview with the development team at Digital Extremes, specifics about the gameplay and globally exclusive artwork to be seen only in PC Gamer.

Sounds good.

StormHammer
01-04-2002, 06:19 PM
Yep, I just read that too Canoli. Great to have official confirmation at last. ;)

I assume that's the US version of PC Gamer...which means I'll probably have to wait another month or two afterwards for the UK edition to catch up. :(

Never mind, my Wanted list is starting to get quite looooong... :D

Agen
01-04-2002, 06:31 PM
I got confirmation in pc zone this month since pc gamer have to get all the stuff from the americans. they have to get details over and some stuff then they've got to write it themselves when they're told they can rather than write when they see it themselves.

digl
01-04-2002, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by Agen_Terminator
Just realised after i read the first paragraph that that was in PC Zone about 2 month ago. www.pczone.com is there site but it's now hosted by computer and videogames site.There's soem new screens in the mag but the guy sure seems excited about it. Also NIVIDA made a contract with U2 guys and it's been made so the code only shows up with Geforce cards which is quite dodgy because not everyone has a gf card.by the time this comes out i don't know if i'll be getting a change form my radeon for a while so i might be screwed.

what does that mean?that you can only play with Geforces?
I doubt that is true, but If it is, its a stake in the heart for ATI
I would seriouly disconsider the radeon 8500, that I was thinking to buy

Agen
01-05-2002, 09:50 AM
It said that but it might be bollox. if it is true some-one's bound to make a crack for it so radeons can see it.

Darth Simpson
01-05-2002, 01:38 PM
I don't think that info is correct. nVidia might have helped optimize / develop the U2 engine ( I'm only assuming here ), and therefore it runs slightly better on GeForce cards than the competitors, but no way it's going to run only on GeForce cards.