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Leia's Panties
01-07-2002, 07:18 PM
Im relatively new to SWGB and have limited AoK experience.
It has taken me a few weeks to be able to beat 80% of people on the zone. Ive found my win/loss ratio has greatly improved since i learnt that you must start building workers ASAP and DO NOT STOP. My scores have thus remained relativly equal with 99% of the people I play before combat commences. The query that I have is how are these people out teching me, whilst managing the spare resources for the troops that attack

My fastest tech 3 is 18 odd minutes so its not like i dont have a clue. I understand that you need to go food heavy to get the workers built and the cost of the tech researches but what im confused on is whther the top players stop building workers to save for the tech 3 upgrade? Am i missing a trick here for speed? yes i eat my bantha/nerfs and eat the surrounding animals, yet I find i just cant cut my time down

Chessack
01-07-2002, 08:15 PM
I don't play other people (just the computer, at least so far), but it seems to me, if you have enough food gatherers, you should be gaining food faster than you lose it building workers. In other words, say you have 100 food. You go to your CC and build 1 worker. Your food goes to 50. The worker takes 30 seconds or so to be produced (never have timed it myself, and of course it will depend on the game speed setting). After the 30 seconds, if you have "enough" food gatherers of whatever type (including having nerfs in a herding area or whatever), your worker is produced. Look at your food. If it's 100 or less, you need more food gatherers. If you had enough, by the time that 1 worker was produced, you'd have well over 100 food, so that even while you are building workers, your food is increasing.

Another thing to remember is to do tech upgrades. Making your farms last longer, your carbon-workers better gatherers, etc, will help you move on up through tech levels faster, and help you gather resources more efficiently.

Probably you know most of that already if you get to tech 3 in 18 minutes, but those are my thoughts.

1MGxLeGion
01-07-2002, 08:38 PM
Well i though 18 was the prime time to shoot for well i was playing the other day and all of a sudden 16 minutes hits and he goes to tech 3 and well i was just about to click to go to tech 3 so you see how far ahead he was and i watched it and had lots of banthas lots of hearders and lots of hunters and slowly added more onto carbon but anyone that can tech 3 that fast will always win. so be aware on food aboundant maps look out for 16 minute tech 3's

Leia's Panties
01-07-2002, 09:30 PM
yes its those 16 minute tech 3's that i jsust cant pull off, even on high food maps.

Im building workers non stop putting all on food at first and slowly putting more onto carbon, so yeah im making food faster than i can spend it on workers. This i find will set me up for a 23-25minute tech 3, maybe a little quicker on a high food map. If i stop making workers i find that this can shave off a minute, but i cant really take advantage of tech edge with my reduced workers. Just wanted to know if im missing soemthing.

The advances i make upon t2 are the farm and carbon centre ones only, maybe the optimizer whilst im waiting for the last few hundred food depending. Slimming my expenses down still doent put me into that 16 minute category, was wondering how it was done.

1MGxLeGion
01-07-2002, 10:13 PM
well the guy i saw doing this that tech 3 in 16 minutes had 25 workers before he clicked to go to tech 2 than but the time he tech 2 he already had almost 500 food already waiting. i think he had 8 hunters 13 herders and 4 on carbon when he went to tech 2. he was also the gungans he also took 2 or 3 workers after he clicked tech 2 to collect nova. I have a recorded game of this i think if i get around to it i will upload it and post a link so you can see how he tech 3 so fast and maybe you can learn from hom how he did things. till then cya.

LeGion

Grimjack
01-08-2002, 01:02 AM
I always have between 20-25 workers before upgrading to T2. That usualy lets me cruise through T2 in just a few min. It also helps to be fast, meaning your ready for your next worker to come out and give it something to do. I've seen people let 2 or 3 workers pile up at the CC while there scouting or something and then wonder how I could beat them to T3.

Leia's Panties
01-08-2002, 01:38 AM
A recorded game would be most helpful, thx. I seem to rarely host or forget myself to record. I do however NEVER leave workers idle unless im in the midst of fighting. Im not that newb =]

duder
01-08-2002, 04:54 AM
Grimjack and legion are right. A fast tech 3 is the most important factor.
On a high food map you should not have any problems doing it fast.
If you are a rusher than you have a platform for air rushes/pummel drops, or if you are defensive get your AA turrets in place, and move toward tech 4.
On both strategies you want to buil another 3-4 command centres so that your economy can boom.

Kudar
01-08-2002, 05:03 AM
I'd like to see this recorded game too please, I need to improve my tech times :)

www.battlegroundsuk.com has an downloads database you can add it to if you like.

1MGxLeGion
01-08-2002, 08:29 PM
OK tonight i will be uploading the game so all can see this fast 16 minute tech, its a great game to watch, he fends off a troop rush at the same time also. keep checking back here later for the link. i should have it up in about 4 hours or so when i get home. He did this so fast and efficiently i thought he was cheating some how till i watched the recording. ok i will reply later tonight

LeGion

1MGxLeGion
01-09-2002, 03:58 AM
ok here it is the record game of the 16 minute tech 3 save it to C:\Program Files\LucasArts\Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds\Game\SaveGame or where ever you have SWGB saved. The guy to watch it SPQR_NEW_BLOOD... ENJOY here is the link


http://www.angelfire.com/wi2/sofakingood/images/game.mgx


do what he says below right click and than save as on this link to download.

Kudar
01-09-2002, 04:45 AM
just right click the link and use "save target as"

I'm looking forward to seeing this I'm usually hitting tech 2 around 16-18 minutes :o

Though yesterday I was messing with the comp on easiest and I did it in 10 mins :D, only once though :( never again.

duder
01-09-2002, 05:35 AM
Originally posted by Kudar
just right click the link and use "save target as"

I'm looking forward to seeing this I'm usually hitting tech 2 around 16-18 minutes :o

Though yesterday I was messing with the comp on easiest and I did it in 10 mins :D, only once though :( never again.

10 mins :eek: thats impressive! Did you have loads of nerfs for nurseries? I think you get more the easier you have the setting on. But they make a huge difference to your food income!

Kudar
01-09-2002, 05:44 AM
yeah quite a few nerfs and an unhealthly amount of wild animals nearby :)

Surfnshannon
01-09-2002, 08:03 AM
that link doesn't work... :mad:

Kudar
01-09-2002, 08:07 AM
it does if you right click and "save target as"

Surfnshannon
01-09-2002, 08:24 AM
okay thanks...i got it...i just copy pasted...you can't click directly on the link

Surfnshannon
01-09-2002, 08:27 AM
can you switch to watch the others views or no...all it was watching the guy in blue...those guys did not put up any defense...

Kudar
01-09-2002, 08:46 AM
Download it here now too


http://www.battlegroundsuk.com/downloads/fasttechgame.zip

Kudar
01-09-2002, 08:47 AM
I haven't watched it, but you should be able to select which player you wish to view - in the bottom left of the screen.

Surfnshannon
01-09-2002, 08:53 AM
ya it was preset to "lock view"...pretty kewl demo...it just seems that there is an over-abundance of animals...

that's kind of like cheating...

Kudar
01-09-2002, 03:37 PM
okay I managed it in around 11 minutes on HARD :)

http://www.battlegroundsuk.com/downloads/11mintech2.JPG

but in doing so I was leaving myself way to open for my liking as almost everyone was on food!

I've still to watch this recorded game, but I will do so soon :)

BlakWraith
01-09-2002, 10:31 PM
U need fast tech help hers some tips.
25 peons prolly best to get before u t2.
first 6 to 9 on food next 4 or so on carbon
dont get any upgrades in t2 unless u got recources to spend

Theirs a few pointers if u want me to do play by play just ask

duder
01-10-2002, 06:24 AM
Originally posted by Kudar
okay I managed it in around 11 minutes on HARD :)

but in doing so I was leaving myself way to open for my liking as almost everyone was on food!

I've still to watch this recorded game, but I will do so soon :)

I prefer a longer tech 1, so I can whizz through tech 2, and then boom in tech 3.

Tech 1/2 rushes are easy enough to resist. As soon as I hit tech 3, I send some strike mechs to the enemy base's casrbon pickers.
The strike mechs are soooo annoying if you are only in tech 2.

Kudar
01-10-2002, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by duder


I prefer a longer tech 1, so I can whizz through tech 2, and then boom in tech 3.



Me too, I was just trying it for speed, the extra 5 minutes or so I usually stay in tech 1 would have allowed me to produce a few more workers that would have given me a decent starting grounding, as it was I had no troops going into tech 2 which isn't good, especially not against the comp who usually has between 5 and 10 troops as he hits tech 2 then you :o

Surfnshannon
01-10-2002, 06:46 AM
how high was your resources? when you reached 11 min?

Surfnshannon
01-10-2002, 06:46 AM
I mean did you start the game "high, low, medium" resouces?

Kudar
01-10-2002, 06:49 AM
I started on Standard resources 200 of each

Surfnshannon
01-10-2002, 07:23 AM
Then you did very well - is everyone basing there tech times on the same "standard"??

Kudar
01-10-2002, 08:04 AM
I watched that recorded game, and I noted that the computer difficulty was set at easy, which seems to be inline with the idea that if you have it on easy/easiest you are going to get more live animals than moderate/hard/hardest - there was a huge amount of bantha, plus a whole heap of other wild animals not to far from the base!

I guess on a setting like that it won't too difficult to whizz through the tech levels - also did you notice that he build no offensive units until tech 3 save for a single turret in tech 1? Could have been a problem if he'd been playing a better player I would think, no matter, still quite good getting through to 3 in 16 mins.

Surfnshannon
01-10-2002, 08:40 AM
exactly a better player would have wiped him out long before he had a chance...

There was no attacking...was it some agreement between players that they farm out all the animals first before they start attacking eachother...if that was the game I'd take some troopers over there and murder some of those guys workers and animals...that would prevent them from teching further - I would tech faster then them regardless of whether or not it was 11 min or 16 min.

Kudar
01-10-2002, 08:49 AM
I don't think there was an agreement, you'll see that his nearest opponent actually comes and builds 2 troop centers and a powercore near his base, which meant he must have concentrated more on carbon to build that, maybe he wasnt so lucky with the food, and I dont think he got out of tech 1 while trying a trooper rush, which a solitary strike mech disposed of.

Leia's Panties
01-10-2002, 10:47 AM
hmm i got a few helpful pointers from that demo... played agaisnt the comp on hard, and lucked out with a high food map..... t3'd in 15:51mins...cheers for the help.

BlakWraith
01-10-2002, 02:52 PM
Ok first off settings matte rnothing for recources hardest and easiest do otn matter only thing differant is comps and wild animals like lions n crap. The ebst time so far on default settings which is what evryone plays is 1440 done by a freind of mine. He immediatley rushed after this my time was 1510 in this same game and i ruhsed also i killed about 15 his workers he got about 3 of mine. I admit thier were alot of food it was savvanah it always ahas alot but all us experts can t3 at 18 min or lower no matter what recources . In a 3v3 no matter hwat recources u will see at least 2 17 min times and prolly one 16. Highr ecources doesnt matter at all all this is based off standard which most people plays.

BlakWraith
01-10-2002, 02:55 PM
I laugh at that remark most people in this forum must not understand this game. You say since i didnt have any troops before t3 i woudla died cause your an idiot. I would have built troops if i needed them this game all about scouting if is ee enemy goign for rush or mass troops early i would get defense i knew my t3 time be fast enough to beat a little trooper rush why waste recources on people? Learn the game before telling someone they shoulda lost man. I loose maybe 1 game outa 5 online so dont say crap unless u can abck it up.

Kudar
01-10-2002, 03:23 PM
Who said you should have lost? It certainly wasn't me!

The only remarks I made where that you may have been in trouble against someone else, you've already stated you were well aware of whats happening around you and saw no need for troops, thats fine then, just my observation, ok?

There's no need to be so touchy about it!

Leia's Panties
01-10-2002, 07:03 PM
in my experience little trooper rushes can hurt.
Even when u turret up on carbon and ring the bell when they come in for your farms.

Simply they'll stand jsut out of range and pick of a worker or 2 as they rush into turret range and rush back out

Meanwhile their production is at 100% whislt your running in and out of your CC. If you dont make t3 with resources to spare and well ahead of them you can be in a pretty tight squeeze.

Im not talking about a wave of troopers, im talking about groups of 8 that come every 45 seconds or so.

Surfnshannon
01-11-2002, 05:38 AM
First off the resources do matter. If you start off with HIGH resources you start off with a 1000 Food and 1000 Carbon and on standard you start off with 200 Food and 200 Carbon. Since the Tech Levels price remains the same...500 for Tech 2..your saying having it on High Resources doesn't matter??? Do the math someone who sets it high on resources already starts off with enough food to not even need to farm or hunt animals...just build 3 buildings and boom your there...(fake a screen shot) now if you start off with Standard...its a lot more work. So don't sit there and lie that it doesn't matter. I'll find you this weekend on the zone and we will see who wins. But with an attitude like yours...you won't last long Blak wraith.

SADO_DRAGON
01-11-2002, 01:49 PM
blakwraith is the best player currently. he wasnt talking about high rescorces. he was talking about a lack of bantha and nerfs which doesnt have anything to do w/ difficulty setting it has to do w/ the map.he was also telling the truth 17-18 min tech3 can be done even w/o herd animals on standard settings not on high.dont talk crap to experts unless your gonna log on the zone and prove your opinion. anytime you feel like proving your point get a friend and log on the zone.me and him are ususally on at night.find us we'll be in the expert games. ;p SADO the bringer of pain

Leia's Panties
01-11-2002, 11:08 PM
Just pulled a 14:40 T3 =] requires a touch of luck and it is a fair bit of guesswork on the balancing of workers to resources but that means 16 min t3's are now quite easy for on a high food map if im uninterupted.

Blakwraith i played 2 of your guildmates lastnight. You'll have to explain to me how I can be beating them on points 3 mins into t3 and they have a military 5 times larger than mine next.

Id struggled to push out 3 ties to raid winterhawk with when sparticus showed with 9 and 5 artillery at my main base =[.

Destroyer Droid
01-12-2002, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by Surfnshannon
First off the resources do matter. If you start off with HIGH resources you start off with a 1000 Food and 1000 Carbon and on standard you start off with 200 Food and 200 Carbon. Since the Tech Levels price remains the same...500 for Tech 2..your saying having it on High Resources doesn't matter??? Do the math someone who sets it high on resources already starts off with enough food to not even need to farm or hunt animals...just build 3 buildings and boom your there...(fake a screen shot) now if you start off with Standard...its a lot more work. So don't sit there and lie that it doesn't matter. I'll find you this weekend on the zone and we will see who wins. But with an attitude like yours...you won't last long Blak wraith.

I bet to differ ... Da_Sad_Donkey is by far.

Surfnshannon
01-14-2002, 09:10 AM
da_sad_donkey??!?

What i'm trying to say is that when comparing who gets to what tech level faster we should all set the same standards because its not fair to say I got 10 min when there were fifty million bantha out there - while the same person can only get it in 16 min using a map that is bantha-less. And of course duh i know bantha's matter. they virtually make all the difference of minutes. Now - just because you can get to tech 2 faster than me by 2 min does not mean I'm going to get my @** kicked automatically.

SharaFett
01-14-2002, 04:17 PM
hey how do you do that quote thing where you show a message previously said by someone and make a coment on it?

Chessack
01-14-2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by SharaFett
hey how do you do that quote thing where you show a message previously said by someone and make a coment on it?

At the bottom of each individual message are a series of buttons. One is "quote". Click that, and it brings you to the page where you make a post, inlcuiding the quoted material. Try it, you'll see how it works. It's fairly straightforward.

Leia's Panties
01-14-2002, 06:30 PM
getting to tech 3 2 mins after your opponent generally does involve an ass kicking... 2mins of air craft and jedi running through your base usually involves some ass getting kickedf.

Surfnshannon
01-16-2002, 04:07 AM
its all relative. It depends on if i spent those two min building up a good defense or not.

Leia's Panties
01-17-2002, 02:11 AM
if i beat someone to tech 3 by 2 minutes id be spending that tiem running through their base with jedi and aircraft b4 they could get AA turrets and strike mechs up mechs up, meanwhile u build pummels while they are occupied with ur jedi and air (land and air defences are required so they have their hands full) and even if they ahve a mech d or 2 jsut drop the pummels on their power core to stop more comming out... course if they dont, they're in trouble. Basically whoever can pull this off the fastest will almsot always win, even if it is repulsed.

Surfnshannon
01-17-2002, 10:54 AM
In two min you can do all that...that would be impressive...but i thought in your original posting you said you were new at this??

Leia's Panties
01-19-2002, 07:23 AM
well this thread is a few weeks old and SWGB is a game that isnt too hard to be competent at, setting urself from the rest is a different matter. I seriously dont understand how there are so many rooks on the zone because playing an RM to a decent level of competence isnt that tough.... its these people who have scores of 2500 at 40 mins in that i dont understand what the hell they are doing.

when i started this thread i had almsot never t3'd in under 20 mins, now i can do it in 16 on a high food map quite regularly. And no doing all that in 2 mins is a little much but that time advantage allows you to start your attack before they are able to get their defences up (e.g their first AA turret).

_11th_FOOL
01-28-2002, 10:52 AM
gives my vote to sad donkey as well