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ps2maddenman
02-08-2002, 07:21 AM
I thought it was very cool.

GonkH8er
02-08-2002, 08:02 AM
I liked it. I would prefer if he ran a little repeat little faster during it. But it was very tuff. Loved it.

Imp Destroyer
02-08-2002, 08:12 AM
very Matrix like, but still awesome!!!!!
notice that the saber even when it is selected and extending it still leaves marks on the wall.

Lord Slart
02-08-2002, 08:32 AM
I thought it looked very cool and can't wait to see what else my Jedi Friend can do with just a sabre in his hand.

Darth Simpson
02-08-2002, 08:55 AM
It was ok. I haven't really decided if I liked it or not. It's just that everything seems to want to be The Matrix. Bullet Time, wall running, etc. Gets pretty lame after a while.

On the other hand, it could be a great addition to the game, if it turns out to be useful, not just another gimmick to help sales.

Gonk, I think Kyle should run a little faster along the wall as well, so it's not just you.

Vagabond
02-08-2002, 09:00 AM
While it does look "neat", it appears inconsistent with the Star Wars universe. It's too Matrix/AliensWallWalk/CrouchingTigerHiddenDragon-like. Again, it does seem pretty "neat", but it definitely doesn't feel like Star Wars. I've never seen nor heard of anyone doing something like that in the Star Wars universe. I mean, if they're going to defy gravity, why not just levitate?

Anyway, I guess the proof will be in the pudding. As we get the game and start walking all over the walls, we need to ask ourselves if it immerses us more in the Star Wars universe, or if it takes us someplace else.

Kozinski
02-08-2002, 09:15 AM
I think it is great - and not too far away from the star wars universe.

Why wall walk when you can just levitate? Because wall walking looks way better than just "levitating".

I think is a great move to do - along with the rest of the moves in the trailer.

Kozi :fett:

thrEEpaGe
02-08-2002, 09:38 AM
personally, i wish that there was a game out that offered much more control over your telekinesis powers....but that would be hard to implement and hard for players to control...that would be cool....

btw, i dont think that there has been an opportunity for jedis to wall jump in the movies anyway...it would have seemed awkward....

Hito-Kage
02-08-2002, 10:11 AM
He is a freaking jedi, of course he can wall walk, he can force jump, force lightning, forcepull, ect..ect..

My only question is, will you be able to do this move anywhere? or just in certain parts of the game.

Shoot I think force jump defies gravity more than the wall walk.

Any ways I love it.:D

thrEEpaGe
02-08-2002, 10:14 AM
i would guess that you can do this move anywhere, seeing as he isnt using the texture of the walls to wall walk and instead using the force to keep him up...i imagine the inclusion of the wall walk is one, for using less mana and getting above a normal jump and two, just doing something else cool with the force heh..

Myxale
02-08-2002, 10:25 AM
I dont thing they made this Wall-Walk to push up sales.

We're talkin about JK...and the Force....there are the many things and moves possible.... :)

I love this force pover.....the fights and actions will become more spicey.....

Wall-Run over a stormie group or a Dark Jedi..!!!to land behind his back lol..that rules...

SaberPro
02-08-2002, 10:30 AM
Is "Wall Run" a new force power? Or maybe if you jump towards the wall, you start to wall run....no?

TUS_Tomcat
02-08-2002, 10:45 AM
hmmm maybe you have to strafe jump into the wall, or, pressing both w and d (rovided you use wasd), which is strafing right and forward and then jumping against the wall would do it... (provided it is a wall to thr right as in the demo of course)

I wonder if it will be faster if oyu use force speed when you do that wall walk

it would be rather silly if it was a sperate force power (walk walk)

but im sure Raven has considered things and picked the best solution :):)

i LIKE the wall walk in any case

thrEEpaGe
02-08-2002, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by TUS_Tomcat
hmmm maybe you have to strafe jump into the wall, or, pressing both w and d (rovided you use wasd), which is strafing right and forward and then jumping against the wall would do it... (provided it is a wall to thr right as in the demo of course)

I wonder if it will be faster if oyu use force speed when you do that wall walk

it would be rather silly if it was a sperate force power (walk walk)

but im sure Raven has considered things and picked the best solution :):)

i LIKE the wall walk in any case

it would have to be faster when you used force speed unless it was just a stupid thing....that would be stupid if you got slowed down when you force walked on walls (especially since you force jump hella fast) i dunno how they're giong to do it....

i would imagine that it will be a passive power that you have to learn that says that when you jump against a wall you can walk on it provided that you have learned that power....hmm...but if it was passive, every time you jumped against a wall kyle would go sideways..lol....

who knows...

Keiran Halcyon
02-08-2002, 10:58 AM
I hope they do not mess up the game with Matrix things. Anyway, is Matrix who has copied star wars, in the books of the first three movies i recall reading something like ' Luke felt all things moving slowly but he moved normaly' (i could be wrong)

BUT why compare it with Matrix!!! Spiderman has been doing that for years, so do not compare with the newest thing that does it :)

Myxale
02-08-2002, 11:10 AM
Nice Spoken Keiran


....Spiderman has do it before....

CaptainRAVE
02-08-2002, 12:30 PM
I liked it, but firstly he did it too slow, and secondly he took too many steps........I think in the game it will look and feel much better :)

Vagabond
02-08-2002, 01:35 PM
Just a reminder, this game is about Star Wars, not the Matrix nor Spider Man. Again, while later are very good stories, this game should make us think and feel as though we're in the Star Wars universe, not someplace else. Otherwise, as a Star Wars game, it has failed, even though it might be fun in some other non Star Wars sense.

Raven has taken a risk in order to juice up the gameplay. Let's just hope the Wall Walk effect isn't too over-the-top such that it feels out of place in the Star Wars universe.

digl
02-08-2002, 01:39 PM
the animation is a bit weird and It does look slow, but I think to judge it better we must see the entire move, not just the beginning, and also we must play to know how It feels

JR2000Z
02-08-2002, 01:43 PM
Remembered me of back in the DF days (Mercenay sylye).

ps2maddenman
02-08-2002, 01:47 PM
The game hasn't even come out yet, we won't know if it is a failure until playing it, which is also why I hesitate to call it game of the year, besides, how can this game not be Star Wars just because of 1 part of the game? Nobody says that JK wasn't Star Wars because it had multi-player (the idea was copied from other games.)

Everyone keeps forgetting that this is the "expanded universe" of Star Wars. This "expansion" of the Star Wars universe is a good thing, it allows the creators to not be limited to what we have seen on the screen, especially if it makes the game better, let's play the game before we say it is a failure or game of the year.

Besides, if you read the novels (since this is an expanded universe game) you will find many examples of jedis doing things that were unheard of in the movies (Cilghal, Corran Horn, Gavin Darklighter, etc.)

btw I do agree with you in that I hope it isn't overdone.


:c3po:

Lord_FinnSon
02-08-2002, 01:58 PM
I think it looked cool, and remember that Raven is still tweaking and optimizing JK2, so they might make it a little bit faster. I'm not going to argue with those of you who think it doesn't belong to Jedi capabilities or think it draws too much attention to itself being something taken out of Matrix(I'm starting to hate that movie simply because people are so hyped about it they don't see how full of clichés it really is), but only say this: if you don't like it, DON'T USE IT!

Vagabond
02-08-2002, 02:05 PM
I did not pronounce any judgement that it is a failure. What I said was that if the effect is overdone or obnoxious and takes us out of the Star Wars universe, then as a Star Wars game, it has failed. What I mean by that is that the objective of being a Star Wars game will not have been achieved. A game isn't a Star Wars game just because you call it a Star Wars game. It has to feel like one. It has to be immersive to the point that people are able to transparently suspend their disbelief and believe that they are in the same rich universe that they've seen on the screen and read about in many of the good expanded-universe material.

Yes, we have read about Jedi doing things we haven't seen on the screen, but all these additional activities have thus far been consistent with what we'd expect of a Jedi. If the wall-walk effect is just a split second thing, kind of like a back-flip off of a wall, then it might work. If it's something where I can stand motionless on the side of a wall for several seconds, that would not feel like Star Wars to me. It might be fun, but it wouldn't be Star Wars.

And if you can walk all over the walls, why not the ceiling? Why would you need Force Jump if you can just crawl all over the place like an Alien?

But again, we need to see the finished product before we can judge. And I'm not judging. I'm voicing my desire for the influences of other sci-fi franchises to not unduly intrude on what is already a very rich and wonderful universe.

ps2maddenman
02-08-2002, 02:10 PM
Hey Vagabond, I understand what you meant. And I understand your feelings on this matter, I agree with your viewpoint.

I kinda think it is funny that the Matrix copied Kung-fu in being able to "walk" on the walls (not the slo-mo thing), and George Lucas has openly admitted that the Jedi fighting techniques were taken from martial arts films. So as long as the wall walking isn't in slo-mo (ala Matrix) I am fine with it if it enhances the game play.

OnlyOneCanoli
02-08-2002, 02:17 PM
I voted for yes. But that doesn't mean that it'll work out. I'm going to have to use it and see it and counter it before I make my final judgement. Still not sure if it feels consistent with SW though. I'm skeptical about it, but I hope it works out.

TUS_Tomcat
02-08-2002, 02:32 PM
Two more things:

In the Mr. Tosti interview, he said walk on wall BRIEFLY so i dont think therell be, standinh on the wall situations

also, if you look at the movie frame by frame, you'll notice this is prolly about as long as its going to be, pressing the arrow keys on your keyboard, ytoull notice that with the last press before it goes to the next scene, you can see the floor again between Kyle's feet and the wall, which means, he's "lost contact" with the wall, which in turn means, hes coming back down.

Now, maybe under influence of force speed or something he'll be able to get up there a bit longer but in any case it seems to me it wont be a much longer run than shown here and i think it looks great!

CaptainRAVE
02-08-2002, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by digl
the animation is a bit weird and It does look slow, but I think to judge it better we must see the entire move, not just the beginning, and also we must play to know how It feels

I agree, but im sure in the actual game it'll be much better. Im sure we'll get lots and lots of practice of this in the demo :)

TUS_Tomcat
02-08-2002, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by CaptainRAVE


I agree, but im sure in the actual game it'll be much better. Im sure we'll get lots and lots of practice of this in the demo :)



ohhhhh demo demo demo i cant wait im gonna go insane!

demo next week?

please! aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

lol sorry i cant help it im so excited and i just cant hide it!

Keiran Halcyon
02-08-2002, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by ps2maddenman

Besides, if you read the novels (since this is an expanded universe game) you will find many examples of jedis doing things that were unheard of in the movies (Cilghal, Corran Horn, Gavin Darklighter, etc.)

btw I do agree with you in that I hope it isn't overdone.


:c3po:


Gavin Darklighter becomes a jedi??? Arrrgggh you are a spoilerman!!!! When does it happen? In the New Jedi Order?

CaptainRAVE
02-08-2002, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by TUS_Tomcat




ohhhhh demo demo demo i cant wait im gonna go insane!

demo next week?

please! aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

lol sorry i cant help it im so excited and i just cant hide it!

Maybe next week, but definatly not far away. Im hoping week after next when im off for Half Term.......I can stay up all night and download it then.......

A trailer is the first step of a demo + will be included with the demo........im sure it wont be a long wait now.......you never know, Lucasarts might give us a date :)

ps2maddenman
02-08-2002, 02:52 PM
"Gavin Darklighter becomes a jedi??? Arrrgggh you are a spoilerman!!!! When does it happen? In the New Jedi Order?"


umm.....errr...It was a typo, yeah that's it, that's the ticket.


No it really was a typo, I was thinking of Kam Solusar. Sorry.

Lord Slart
02-08-2002, 03:06 PM
Ok firstly I think the move will look completely different when actually playing it. As for consistency with the Star Wars Universe who's to say we won't see Jedi doing Wall Walks in AOTC. That would be cool and a good link to the game. Maybe LA gave Raven some hints of what to input to tie it into the film??? Just a theory, It could be???

I agree it did look slightly odd but also cool at the same time. I think we will have to reserve all judgement until we see it in action and only give our opinions of what we know and can see and not get too involved in speculation of what we haven't seen yet.

By the time you get this game you will have forgotten all about all these little niggles and be talking about completely different aspects of the game.

Till Next Time.

CaptainRAVE
02-08-2002, 03:36 PM
I TOTALLY agree with you there Lord Slart. Thats my opinion aswell..........we wont know until we actually play it :D

JPMaximilian
02-08-2002, 05:02 PM
Maybe the reason it was slow was because they haven't finished tweaking it yet. Wall Running isn't in Quake III: Team Arena, which means they would have to edit it. I think this is the sort of finishing touch thing Raven is working on right now.

Rat Boy
02-08-2002, 05:13 PM
Who knows? There might be wall walking in Episode 2, so it could fit!

toms
02-08-2002, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by ps2maddenman
I kinda think it is funny that the Matrix copied Kung-fu in being able to "walk" on the walls (not the slo-mo thing), and George Lucas has openly admitted that the Jedi fighting techniques were taken from martial arts films. So as long as the wall walking isn't in slo-mo (ala Matrix) I am fine with it if it enhances the game play.

what he said!

the only original thing in the matrix was teh bullet time technique (and they knicked that from wildlife documentaries). The gunfights were straight out of john woo, the fight scenes were straight out of a jet li film. It was still a cool film, but hardly original... just took a lot of cool elements and combined them.

since there is no "slow mo" effect.. this is basically using the force to hold you against the wall while you run... which doesn't seem too out of sinc with the films to me. he only takes 3 steps... and the 1st 2 are rising with his momentum from the jump pushing him up, forward and against the wall... it's not like he is running along it....

i thought the animation was pretty good... his feet angled against the wall right and he went into it totally smoothly.

i know why some people might have doubts... especially after all those "will it have bullet time?" posts... but just cos it was in the matrix don't make it bad.... ;)

ithink it will add to the game....

JR2000Z
02-08-2002, 06:28 PM
There's nothing new about the wall walk.

I remembered seeing it on the Mortal Kombat movie where the hero fought Sub Zero.

GUNNER
02-08-2002, 06:33 PM
I have only looked at the trailer a few times but I thought it looked great.

Krayt Tion
02-08-2002, 06:35 PM
We don't see a whole lot of the 'before' or 'after' of the wall walk as someone pointed out. I really hope that ability is only able to be executed after a fairly precise timing of force powers and events. Otherwise, I understand what Vag means when he says:

Originally posted by Vagabond
And if you can walk all over the walls, why not the ceiling? Why would you need Force Jump if you can just crawl all over the place like an Alien?

... because casual and easy to manage wall walking would open the door for a whole nother slew of maneuvers that I would almost have to expect after that. So that could leave me on one hand being disappointed if they don't include other 'Matrixie' type of moves, and on the other disappointed if the Star Wars universe likely ceases to feel as such (to me).

Risky move with the wall walk indeed. We'll have to see... admittedly it makes me a little nervous.

digl
02-08-2002, 06:52 PM
Correct me if Im wrong, but I think Brett Tosti said in the interview that you could walk on walls, for short periods of time
Could someone confirm this?
probably what we see in the trailer is the most that is possible to walk on walls, and he is just about to jump back down

Lord Slart
02-08-2002, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by JR2000Z
There's nothing new about the wall walk.

I remembered seeing it on the Mortal Kombat movie where the hero fought Sub Zero.

I think they mean new to star wars. As they said earlier Lucas addmitted to basing Jedi fighting on Martial Arts. So Martial Combat probably wasn't the first thing to feature the Wall Jump

DigitalVapor
02-08-2002, 08:59 PM
I have studied martial arts for for 10 years, and though I am no master, I have done the wall jump. I really would not call it a "wall walk" because it really doesnt feel like that. I love seeing it in the game but I do have one worry. If that shot was NOT in slow motion, then theres an error in the speed. To do a wall jump, you need the proper angle and plenty of momentum. when you jump, you shift your body angle and just kind run along the wall to push you forward. Your feet barely touch the wall and just sort of brush it, propelling you forward. So you only get maybe two or three steps in TOPS, and your moving pretty fast.

And as for my opinion of the slow motion concept...I liked the idea when I heard how it was being used in Obi Wan, force speed slowing the world around you down while you move at a normal pace, while to others you would appear to be extremely fast.

And one more thing, [NOTE: I STRONGLY WARN AGAINST TRYING THIS!!!] When I worked at UPS, I once overdosed on caffeine pills trying to stay awake for the midnight shift. I experienced an effect that I both loved and hated. The advantage was that from my perception, I had been put into slow motion while the world arround me kept a normal pace, but as I sorted packages in slow motion, I was being clocked at the fastest sorting speed they had in the building. What happened was that I had a hyper alertness that allowed me to work acurately, so while I felt I was in slow motion, doing everything correctly and with ease, I was really moving very fast. which explains my body language. It was clear that the laws of momentum were being applied to my body. Now this sounds really great right??

WRONG!-- The negative effect was that because of this high speed, My heart rate went sky high! Had I not realized there was a problem and stopped- had I kept working, My heart would have exploded or I would have had a heart attack. And I could feel that it was close due to the agonizing pain in my chest. So please, for your health, dont try this. I just thought it was interesting and relevant to the force speed topic

Tap[RR]
02-08-2002, 09:17 PM
Jesus, why does everyone get the impression that its wall walking is unlimited in time? i mean, its most likely a 4 second manuever to get your ass out of a corner.. also, they're were two types of wall manuevers i believe, one being a wall jump, running straight into a wall then jumping back, like a backflip off of it.. the other walking along side for a extremely short peroid of time.. I personally think this stuff belongs in starwars, since lightsaber combat is based of multiple kendo and other styles of sword play. By the way, didnt obiwan jump or flip off a wall in ep1? or am i mistaken?

Pogwaffle
02-08-2002, 10:00 PM
I thought it looked pretty cool

Lord_FinnSon
02-08-2002, 10:45 PM
Here is a quote (http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32020) from ChangKhan:
It's a very quick move, just a few steps. You can control the speed of the run by pressing forward or backward (or neither) during the run. Also, you can flip off the wall in the middle of it if you hit the jump key. And enemy jedi can do it, too, if the conditions are right.
So, it looks like DigitalVapor's estimate about "two or three steps in TOPS" was correct. :D

GonkH8er
02-08-2002, 10:59 PM
Then a sideways 'trinity in the lobby scene style' flip to finish it off.


Ergh... no matter how hard we try... it always comes back to the matrix....

CaptainRAVE
02-09-2002, 04:00 AM
Originally posted by GonkH8er
Then a sideways 'trinity in the lobby scene style' flip to finish it off.


Ergh... no matter how hard we try... it always comes back to the matrix....

Or Max Payne ;)

Myxale
02-09-2002, 05:38 AM
Wall-Walk was in the most estern Kung-Fu films....its time for such kind of walk ... lol

Eternity
02-09-2002, 08:18 AM
Man, I watch in disbelief as you guys compain that it's too much like The Matrix and not enough like Star Wars.

!?!??!?!

Matrix footage is A GOOD THING!! A GOOD THING!!! :)

So it sidesteps from the Star Wars universe a little bit. A well judged sacrifice for moves that will increase the fun factor about 50%. Besides, with the force, I don't see why not you couldn't wall walk. The devs are just using concepts of the force that Lucas never thought of.

CaptainRAVE
02-09-2002, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by Eternity
Man, I watch in disbelief as you guys compain that it's too much like The Matrix and not enough like Star Wars.

!?!??!?!

Matrix footage is A GOOD THING!! A GOOD THING!!! :)


Exactly Eternity.......the more the moves are like The Matrix the better.......as long as their fun put them in :), and any they leave out will be included in a mod anyway :)

TUS_Tomcat
02-09-2002, 08:50 AM
As i've already said :) I like it.

Also, as long as it's not a silly ridiculous thing, like hanging on the ceiling for as long as you want, and a useful combat move, why not?

This doesnt seem impossible for a jedi to do, and it's useful. Imagine wall walking past three storm troopers and jumping off right behind them and hacking em all down with a slash!

It opens a lot of new possiblities to me.

Wall walk = GGs

CaptainRAVE
02-09-2002, 08:52 AM
I think it looked so weird because it was in such a small window :)......*hint hint* Lucasarts :)

Krayt Tion
02-09-2002, 10:37 AM
Good. I'm not too nervous any more after Chang's reply.

TUS_Tomcat
02-09-2002, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Krayt Tion
Chang's reply.



did i miss something?

:confused:

CaptainRAVE
02-09-2002, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Krayt Tion
Good. I'm not too nervous any more after Chang's reply.

Which reply??

Lord_FinnSon
02-09-2002, 11:40 AM
Don't you people read these threads before replying to them? ;) Just look for my earlier reply at this same page...

CaptainRAVE
02-09-2002, 11:43 AM
Sorry, didnt see that one, but we knew that already.......I thought your were talking about something else :o

ps2maddenman
02-11-2002, 06:49 AM
The wall walk looks normal after seeing it around 50+ times, I think it will add to the gameplay tremendously.

Kurgan
02-14-2002, 03:24 AM
Although I think it's refreshing to see some <b>new material</b> in the game that's not from the SW movies. Good to break some new ground in the series...

Kurgan

Anakin
02-14-2002, 04:21 AM
Obi Wann does a wall walk in EP1, its a cut scene from the film but the is a screen shot some were on theForce.net

Anakin
02-14-2002, 04:28 AM
Obi Wann does a wall walk in EP1, its a cut scene from the film but the is a screen shot some were on theForce.net