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Spaceball_One
02-11-2002, 04:04 PM
just got a glimpse of the new screeny of SKYWALKER with KYLE in the backround... its pretty cool. but i really have to ask:

why is it that LUKE appears to have not aged at all since RETURN OF THE JEDI?

i really expected to see him in a beard though. i mean, after all, he HAS been a jedi for like a million years now and beards seem to be the in thing for jedis. just look, even "newbie jedi" kyle sports the fuzz, and he hasn't been a jedi for very long!!

anyways, those are just my thoughts. LUKE looks rad nonetheless!

CaptainRAVE
02-11-2002, 04:06 PM
Well Yoda was 900 years old and didnt looked that age..........Luke is a powerful Jedi :D

JPMaximilian
02-11-2002, 04:06 PM
Yoda didn't have a beard. (Half Joking)

Spaceball_One
02-11-2002, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by CaptainRAVE
Luke is a powerful Jedi :D


yeah well, kyle could kick his ass hands down. you think im being sarcastic but im not.

JPMaximilian
02-11-2002, 04:16 PM
Katarn wouldn't win at the beginning, Kyle hasn't been practicing, he's let his powers languish, he can't even force jump when he starts off. Maybe at the end of the game, but only because he uses the dark side/sith powers. If Luke used all of his power I think Skywalker would win.

Woad
02-11-2002, 07:27 PM
I think Luke would beat him pretty bad. Luke's pretty damn powerful, I mean look at him in the NJO he's got a fight with three aliens bred as pure warriors and Luke's wielding two lightsabers and pelting large rocks onto them. That's some pretty remarkable control of the force.

Ki-Adi-Mundi
02-11-2002, 07:33 PM
No way Katarn would stand a chance against Luke. Facts are facts.

Well... going by a timeline, this actually isn't too long after RotJ.

Moses
02-11-2002, 08:06 PM
Yeah, Kyle is fun to play in this game and all, but Luke is the man. That's all there is to it. Luke is a hero of a greater sort than Kyle. Kyle stopped Jerec from harnessing the power of the valley of the Jedi, but I would have to say that the emperor would still have been more powerful than Jerec and Luke took him down. By taking down the emperor Luke saved the whole galaxy from turmoil, oppression, and the dark side of the Force. Yeah...Luke wins.:cool:

simon says
02-11-2002, 08:09 PM
but Luke dosen't have Jan, does he? KYLE wins! :p

Jeedii_zaarinn
02-11-2002, 08:14 PM
luke has mara which is even hotter than jan if i might add

Woad
02-11-2002, 08:16 PM
*nod nod*
Mara hotter! :D

TrUeFoRcE
02-11-2002, 08:20 PM
luke would beat him hands down......luke is darth vaders son, and vader was one of the most if not the most powerful "jedi" so ude expect his son to be a bit stronger than a normal guy who controls the force.

simon says
02-11-2002, 08:26 PM
hey, i wouldn't call Kyle normal even without the force, but u guys are right, luke would beat him....maybe you can choose to fight him in the game?? Like a training exercise, that'd be great!:D

Sabre9
02-11-2002, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by TrUeFoRcE
...a normal guy who controls the force.


Um, WHAT normal guys control the force???

;)

Spaceball_One
02-11-2002, 09:16 PM
all yall are FINKS. turning your back on KYLE like that.

and for that, i hope that KYLE KATARN, in all his glory, makes an appearance in episode 2 to kill not only OBI-WAN and ANAKIN, but YODA and SAMUEL L. JACKSON (that baaaad mutha...) and all those other whimpy jedi that were in episode 1, thus negating the following episodes.



oh, and i may not be as into STAR WARS as most of you guys are, i mean my "STAR WARS education" pretty much consists of the main characters of the movies and dark forces (pretty extensive, i know)... i mean its really hard for me to follow along with a lot of the topics that are here in the forums (like that NJO thing) but this goes out to the guy who said "LUKE took down the emporer" (i think it was moses, im not sure) but wasn't it really VADER who took out the emporer? if my memory serv me right, didn't it go down like this: once LUKE said no when the emporer told him to finish off VADER, the emporer KICKED LUKES ASS until VADER stepped in and single-handedly (literally) tossed him in that hole? i believe all LUKE did was whine and moan and ask for VADER's help while the emporer grilled his ass. now if it were KATARN...

Bartolo_JCS
02-11-2002, 09:17 PM
Obi-Wan would own them all in his prime

Spaceball_One
02-11-2002, 09:26 PM
whelp... he's dead now, so that just shows he can't cut it. thats right, HE CAN'T CUT IT.

KATARN on the other hand...

Belgirion
02-11-2002, 10:10 PM
I'd have to support Kyle on this one. I mean he killed 7 dark jedi, and he didn't even have a jedi master to train him. Luke didn't even kill vader and he had obi-wan and yoda to train him. But then again, whos counting :)

Woad
02-11-2002, 10:51 PM
Bah!
Kyle is just lucky! hehe :D

Renzo
02-12-2002, 12:03 AM
In my experience, there's no such thing as luck.

Some old J3di d00d said that once.

Swoosh
02-12-2002, 12:27 AM
Since when did killing someone else constitute power? Luke turned his father from the dark side, which, in my opinion, is a far greater challenge than killing him or 7 dark jedi. Luke did what a true Jedi would do, while Kyle runs around killing. Luke could have killed Vader, the most powerful sith, but he was a jedi, which stands for much more to me than the power to kill.

Swoosh

Woad
02-12-2002, 12:31 AM
*points to Swoosh*
Yeah, what he said! *grins*

Spaceball_One
02-12-2002, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by Swoosh
Since when did killing someone else constitute power? Luke turned his father from the dark side... while Kyle runs around killing.

since when did killing constitute power you ask? well gee, just look back at every great war in the history of human existance. as much as we'd like to think that what you said is true... the sad truth is that killing DOES constitute power. the countries with the most "power", who more than often were the winners, usually were the countries who beat other countries into submission... BY KILLING.

besides that though, if KYLE DIDN'T run around killing, well, that would've made JEDI KNIGHT a pretty lame ass game now, wouldn't it?

your mission objectives: convert all enemies whilst they try to kill you.

Woad
02-12-2002, 09:57 PM
Your talking about a different kind of power. While yes wars and slaughter can win you political power, the way in which power is demonstrated through the force is very different. It's about control and connection, not subjects, nor the skill of ones opponent, and not the size of any given empire.

mariners2001
02-12-2002, 10:03 PM
Whoa...you're topic scared me....

But, yeah, anyway, Luke needs wrinkles!!!!

Saient
02-12-2002, 10:51 PM
I can't believe my eyes. who would win Kyle or Luke? this is what its come to... WHO CARES...???????

StarScrap
02-12-2002, 11:08 PM
Hmmm....Kyle would lose in a straight jedi battle I think, but no-holds-barred all out fighting? Kyle's got those mercenary skills to back him up. Plus some cool wall jumps. :D

But really, Kyle is much more diverse than Luke is. Luke excells in what he does (LS LS: light side light saber :) ), but Kyle does everything. And none of Kyle's accomplishments are exactly minor. Singlehandedly (okay, doublehandedly. Jan helped.) tracked down and destroyed the lone ISD pumping out the Empires newest toy? Doublehandedly took out Jerec (again, after beating through all his cronies)? And what about stealing the Death Star plans (I love the fact that he's part of the bothan spynet :D )? Forget about how easy the level was in the game, that couldn't have been easy. What did Luke do? Blew up the Death Star with Kyle's plans and a couple of squadrons escort (so to speak), "sensed a disturbance in the force", and convinced Vader to help him out out of pity. :D

Now don't get me wrong, Luke's a pretty darn impressive, and I think he would win a 1 on 1 saber fight (unless he had JKesque AI :D ), but Kyle's got a much more impressive resumee.

Woad
02-13-2002, 08:53 AM
Of course we care, it's something to waste the time before we get the game bud! :D

I agree to an extent with what your saying Star, although I've kind of gotten into the EU stuff lately and I was taking that into account. So I was considering Jedi Master Luke versus Kyle right after MOTS, where we know for certain of each ones abilities with the force. From that perspective I think it would be one hell of a saber duel, with possibly Kyle having the edge, but in terms of the more powerful Jedi I still have to go with Luke.

Brick
02-13-2002, 09:43 AM
If Luke was more powerful, or even AS powerful, as Vader, and Vader had that impossibly powerful presence in the Force, I'd say he's the best there is, was, or ever will be, and I think that was the point. Luke is a titan of the Force, and Kyle is perhaps as strong or slightly stronger in the Force as an average Jedi before the Clone Wars.

I think that Kyle's mixed bag of abilities in the Force may make him more interesting and more fun to play, but in reality it would make him that much less effective against the trained, experienced, and fully focused Jedi Master Luke.

As for the Mara/Jan debate... well, gimme a couple of hours in a room with each and I'll tell you which one's hotter :D I'll actually only need an hour with each if it's a small room, since it wouln't take as long to catch them... :xizor:

thrEEpaGe
02-13-2002, 09:55 AM
i think i would pick exar over darth any day.....


and luke would own kyle in sabz AND force...omg do you know how many d00ds jedi MASTER luke has trained?

kyle would need some uh...well lets just say that kyle would be feeling it if he faced luke

hehe im not going to say anything more than that...

Spaceball_One
02-13-2002, 03:51 PM
haha, i know its a little late to bring this back up... but i just have to.

Originally posted by CaptainRAVE
Well Yoda was 900 years old and didnt looked that age...

haha, are you kidding me?! is your vision totally askiew that you don't see YODA as an old fogie? he SO looks 900 years old! and you know what else? before EPISODE I came out i was looking forward to seeing what YODA would look like back in the day... but oh, as luck would have it, HE LOOKED EXACTLY THE SAME.

and to whoever said that YODA didn't have a beard, well that, my friend is very simple to explain. YODA is one of those guys who can't grow a lot of facial hair. but hey, he has that funky old-man hair growing out of his ears so that makes it all up.

point is, LUKE doesn't look a day older than he did in JEDI. and that kind of bugs me, seeing as our pal KYLE already has wrinkles in his forhead and a full on beard... and isn't this supposed to be like around 15 years after JEDI?