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the_immortal
02-13-2002, 05:58 AM
Oh my god.!!!!
This totally sux, although it depends on lucasarts they may not make a demo, or if they do they will release after the game is released. That is so totally ****e. I live in the middle east and i won't be seeing the game till at least summer 2002 so if they don't release a demo i will die of anticipation, im so desprate for the game, and now i will have to wait even longer... GOD DAMN IT!:mad:

nykel007
02-13-2002, 06:03 AM
I don't think he said theree won't be no demo just that it was up to LEC. They are the demo kind of people.:)

Krak3n
02-13-2002, 06:13 AM
Yeah....i'm sure they WILL release a demo, it just depends on when......but from that answer, i wouldn't hold my hopes up cos it sounds like they havn't even started on one. :rolleyes:

the_immortal
02-13-2002, 06:19 AM
Well to quote off someone else, there was the E3 demo, which didn't have all the features but would be an appropriate "demo" of the game, so there is no hassle for the team, why don't they just release that... another thing is...why they being so stingy with the screenshots, PC gamer have done an overall review of the game, so in its clarity it is a finished product, so they could do there future customers a little more pleasure by releasing at least a few screenshots a day...sheesh.. i don't mean to complain...ok well i do...heheheh :)

Belgirion
02-13-2002, 06:25 AM
I'd rather they screw the demo and screenshots and get JK2 out the door ASAP

ZeroXcape
02-13-2002, 06:29 AM
Ditto... who needs a demo when you can get the entire game earlier?

Krak3n
02-13-2002, 06:35 AM
Once the games done u just can't send it out the door......you need to print packages, burn the CD's etc etc, that in itself takes a month at least, so yeah.....i would think the game is more or less finished and LA reached a deal with PC Gamer UK so they could send a exclusive copy of the game.......but then it seems Raven are still doing a lot of work so maybe they really dom't have time to produce a demo like the answer states......but now i do think the game is finished...more or less. :)

sanpilou
02-13-2002, 06:59 AM
they WILL release a demo or ill make them suffer :explode:

Qel
02-13-2002, 07:08 AM
Well, they did release the Galactic Battleground demo...so they
could release JO demo...but not so soon..my guess, the first or second week of March...most probably after the game has gone gold.;)

Oh...one more thing welcome to the forums, the_immortal...
hope enjoy your stay.;)

Qel

TUS_Tomcat
02-13-2002, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by sanpilou
they WILL release a demo or ill make them suffer :explode:


the only real way to do that is by not buying the full version when it is released...


I think you'd hurt yourself more then !! hahaha

thrEEpaGe
02-13-2002, 08:36 AM
i wuold much rather have the full version out faster than having the demo out and delay the full version....b/c obviously the demo is going to be a one level situation (hopefully it has a MP level) and i would get bored w/ the game with only one level...send out the full version!

Rogue15
02-13-2002, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by nykel007
I don't think he said theree won't be no demo just that it was up to LEC. They are the demo kind of people.:)

if that's true, where's my starfighter demo?

thrEEpaGe
02-13-2002, 08:59 AM
so whine about it....hehe..

LEC has been good about doing demos....

Brick
02-13-2002, 09:06 AM
Welcome, the_immortal. Enjoy being the newbie as much as I did! :newbie:

:yobi: "Why do I sense that we've picked up another pathetic lifeform?"

Com Raven
02-13-2002, 11:38 AM
Btw:
They'll never release the game !!!
And Ep III !!
And the famous Jar Jar porn....

CaptainRAVE
02-13-2002, 12:26 PM
Welcome to the forums MR the_immortal :newbie:


Im personally glad their waiting to do the demo. There will be one as it is important for marketing, but Id rather have the game here sooner than have it delayed because of some stupid demo :D

Myxale
02-13-2002, 12:49 PM
I feel almost faked !!!

I know we have to be patient...the relase date gets closer every minut.

But im hyped above the sky, so that the answer about the demo makes me angry.....i think i need a time out....or i become a hyped and dangerous guy ;)

Com Raven
02-13-2002, 12:51 PM
Well, usually a demo doesn't additionally delay the release, cuz it's planned from the beginning on...

And don't expect them to ship it earlier if they don't make one....

Hannibal
02-13-2002, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Krak3n
Once the games done u just can't send it out the door......you need to print packages, burn the CD's etc etc, that in itself takes a month at least, so yeah.....

They can do the packages anytime. They can do that right now. But you're right about the CD's. I thought they were just testing the game and tweaking different thing.

I'm really excited that this is only a month or so away. I may buy a new computer just so I can play this in my room.

dazilla
02-13-2002, 04:38 PM
There might be no demo, but that's not likely, since clicking on the link http://www.lucasarts.com/products/outcast/html/demo.html does not yield a 404 error.

digl
02-13-2002, 04:45 PM
good point
Im sure there will be a demo anyway

Kurgan
02-13-2002, 04:59 PM
Some Pros:

-If done well, it can provide perspective buyers with a good reason to purchase the game. It's good free advertising. It's also a good risk-free way to get some people who weren't going to buy the game, to buy it, once they see how good it's going to be.

-On the customer side, playing the demo can potentially save some people from wasting their money on a game they won't like.

-If released before the full game, it can provide fans with something to "tide them over" until the real thing.

-Demos can enhance magazine reviews, by being packaged on CD/DVD to help people see why a game is good/bad.

-Picky consumers may be turned off to the fact that there is no demo, and may resort to "copying" (ie: pirating) a full version in order to "try before they buy." But then piracy may happen anyway... it's just that some people feel guilty about pirating a game they like, and so to make it up to the developers, they will buy a copy (so it balances out).

Some Cons:

-It gives the dev team more work to do, and if released before the game, it takes time away from what they're working on.

-If the demo is bad, or poorly done, it can generate negative publicity for the game, even if the demo is just poorly done, but the full game is fine. Thus some people who were already planning on buying the game, may be turned off to the idea after seeing the bad demo.

-Thus there is great pressure to make sure the demo is good in its own right, much like the full game.

-If the demo is just stuff taken from the full game, this gives a more accurate picture of the final product and if the customer will like it, but it may be the least interesting level, or most unbalanced game mode, etc. It may spoil too much, so that the full game is dull after playing the demo to death.

-The demo may be free, but downloads may clog servers, and be too hard to download for slower people.

-If the demo is too good, people may not bother buying the full game (I remember seeing tons of people playing the JK demo as late as 2000, for example).

-Demos create expectations. If something is in the demo that players like, and it isn't in the full version, they may be disapointed.
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I think it's too bad that the industry is in such a state that releasing an official demo before the full game's release isn't considered feasible by a lot of companies. However, that's not to say that everyone is going to buy the game on the day it's released, I just think people should have a way to try the game out before they fork over the money and resources for it. Too many games don't live up to the hype, or are full of bugs and problems that prevent them being fun for the first few months of release (or forever, if the bugs aren't fixed).

That said, I hope that a JK2 demo comes out eventually, and the closer to full release, the better I say. In the back of my mind, I think that if the full game is good enough, and the dev team is good enough, creating a demo shouldn't be that big a deal. But then I'm not a game developer, so what do I know? ; )

dazilla
02-13-2002, 05:13 PM
Man, I never thought of the cons that way...but I think Raven is probably ahead on development anyways, so they should be able to give time to making a demo (if not before, at least after the release)

JR2000Z
02-13-2002, 05:40 PM
Demos dont usually come untill the game has gone Gold.

I would think that this would happen on Friday...

ChangKhan[RAVEN]
02-13-2002, 09:32 PM
You all need to take all of those answers with a grain of salt. I was asked them in a private message and they were not meant to be published in a public forum (as a result, I will not be answering any more private questions about JK2 - that was the first and last time). I have no control over whether or not we do a demo. But you need to undertsand that making a demo of a game is not automatic, there is work and time involved. If we were to try to get a demo out before the game, it would delay the game perhaps as much as a month, and I see no purpose in that. Perhaps after we go gold we may do a demo, I don't know... as I said, I have no control over that. Regardles of my opinions on whether we should make a demo or not, if LucasArts tells us to make one, we will, if they don't, we won't.

Uber_Saber
02-13-2002, 09:54 PM
I'd tend to say if the Demo delays the actual release by a month, that's too long. But that's just me.

SlowbieOne
02-13-2002, 10:01 PM
If it causes that much of a delay, forget about it, we don't need one.:)

However, I just received word that in the next issue of PC Zone magazine, there will be a JK2 demo. I can't confirm this, but it came from a reliable source.

StormHammer
02-14-2002, 12:23 PM
Welcome to the forums the_immortal. Hope you enjoy your stay. Here...

*hands over a chocolate Jedi Medallion* There you go. ;)

Thanks for clearing that up, ChangKhan. :) So there you have it, the decision rests with Lucasarts...but if they say a demo must come out before the game is released, then expect the game to be delayed. Seeing the recent trailer has minimised some of my earlier reservations about the game. As I've said in previous posts, I think this is going to be a different breed from it's predecessor, to be judged on it's own merits. A demo would have gone some way to make a more informed judgement, but I hav enough faith in the game (and the developer) that I've already pre-ordered, so for me the question is academic. Nevertheless, I too think it would be pointless delaying the release of the full game simply to get a demo out of the door.

Release the game...then do a demo if it's absolutely necessary (and it may be for some people before they will consider getting the full version). :)

SlowbieOne...I'd take that with a pinch of salt. Sometimes mags promise a demo, then don't deliver at all - or it happens a couple of months later. Other times they promise a demo, and it turns out to be a video. I would say it's hard for them to hint at a demo when the decision doesn't seem to have been made yet. :)

CorranHornjr
02-14-2002, 02:19 PM
Maybe he is trying to fool us....maybe they already have one done and have for awhile and he just thought he would fool us into thinking that we wouldn't get one so it will be more of a suprise....i wonder.

I think it would be cool to have a demo, i don't think it will ruin anything, the real game will be outstanding and they won't put everything in the demo, so we will be drooling for some more. I think it would help tide some of these people over too. I personally would like a demo, but i don't want it to slow down the process of making the game if they are not trying to fool us and don't truely have one done. so there you have it.

slowbie who is this source?? Gonk? how do you know it is realiable.

DigitalVapor
02-18-2002, 05:39 PM
I have a bad feeling that if there is a demo, it wont be out until AFTER the game is released. That is what happened with Starfighter for the PC. I went and bought it, then a few days later the demo got released. :(

dazilla
02-18-2002, 05:47 PM
Ouch...btw, I've already made my decision to buy it, so a demo will make no difference to me if it comes out after. If before, then it'll be just to keep me until the game, but it's not necessary for there to be a demo if it'll delay the full release. I'd rather get the full version earlier.

ps2maddenman
02-18-2002, 08:01 PM
It would make sense for them to make a demo after the game is out, think of it, we got a demo before the first game because it was an unproven product, after the demo sales skyrocketed, now they know that those same people will automatically buy JK2, so the purpose a demo would serve would be for those who casually download demos to find a "diamond in the rough" with the hope of the demo being a spark for these people.







But I could still use a demo before.

:)