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Darth Fellas
02-14-2002, 10:18 AM
Hello i'm new to C++ and I would like to know how do you create walls and buildings and what software do I use. also what software do I use to make characters to put in C++ Games

People who write in will win a sighned nike t-shirt by the entire england team.

NiKo
02-14-2002, 11:28 AM
yaaayy!!!!!

*blows away some dust from this old loveable line*

"are you a pothead fellas?"


wwwwwaaaaaaahoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

Fender
02-14-2002, 03:17 PM
YAY!

Fellas, we missed you! Come post in Old School! Gives me something to do!

Natty
02-14-2002, 11:08 PM
*runs across the room and gives Fellas big cuddles*

Sexxxxxxxxxxxxxxy hunny I missed youuuuuuuuu where ya been? *smoochies*


crap crap crap- just tried to register a new name Pothead Fellas and it wouldn't let me, since I'm already registered :(

Guybrush_3pwood
02-15-2002, 01:43 AM
Whoa, I've got VC++ 6.0. I've only just started using it though. I know a fair bit of knowlede on it. I'm sure you can make a wall from scratch in C++ but 3D Studio Max is best (it is what da pros use.)

NiKo
02-15-2002, 04:48 AM
i want all of you to take a look at fellas profile....

i think it's not remotely funny...
and he's the worlds biggest ****** for even letting it be a joke.

Natty
02-15-2002, 05:09 AM
I don't mind Fellas being back- although I do ask him to change his profile, as I do find it quite offensive and I'm not even American

Guybrush122
02-15-2002, 04:24 PM
Ok....its flaming time



FELLAS YOU LITTLE ****!!!!! HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY INSULT ME AND THE FORUMERS AND ALL OF AMERICA THAT WAY??? YOU ARE INCONSITERATE BASTARD!!!!!!!!! ROT IN HELL!!! YOU SONOFA ***** IF I SAW YOU IN PERSON THE THINGS ID DO......YOUR ****ING MOTHER WILL CRY AND PRAY TO THE HEAVENS TO UNDO THE UNSPEAKABLE THINGS I HAVE DONE TO YOU.....(not that you can get any uglier)

NiKo
02-15-2002, 04:30 PM
i never say stuff like this. but it's true...:

you should be taken out and shot like the dog that you are....

how can you have NO respect for the families of those who died!?

i hope your entire family dies a horrible death just so YOU can deal with US laughing about it....


b*tch....

Guybrush122
02-15-2002, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by NiKo
i never say stuff like this. but it's true...:

you should be taken out and shot like the dog that you are....

how can you have NO respect for the families of those who died!?

i hope your entire family dies a horrible death just so YOU can deal with US laughing about it....


b*tch....

i dont normally say what im about to say but this mofo deserves it....


fellas, you should be hung, burned, drawn and quartered and have a ****ing traffic cone shoved up your ass .... burn in hell *****

Metallus
02-15-2002, 05:14 PM
Did I miss something?

:explode:

Grannen
02-15-2002, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by Metallus
Did I miss something?

:explode:
Darth Fellas' Profile!

Metallus
02-15-2002, 06:41 PM
Hooray! A troll!

Natty
02-15-2002, 06:59 PM
Fellas, change your profile please, otherwise I think forum members will want you banned.

MtBlanc
02-16-2002, 12:38 AM
Wow, I'm so offended. I'm shocked and will never visit these forums again. *gasp*

Meksilon
02-16-2002, 01:21 AM
Originally posted by Natty
crap crap crap- just tried to register a new name Pothead Fellas and it wouldn't let me, since I'm already registered :( Aye, there's a secret way to do it (first delete your cookies).

Aye.

-Daniel

Meksilon
02-16-2002, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by NiKo
i never say stuff like this. but it's true...:

you should be taken out and shot like the dog that you are....

how can you have NO respect for the families of those who died!?

i hope your entire family dies a horrible death just so YOU can deal with US laughing about it....


b*tch.... I do not condone violence, but I think what the US has/is doing now is far worse then September 11. And I now see that the US deserved the attack. They asked for it by having no respect for anyone except themselves.

A lot of good Americans died, which was a terrible loss.

But then the Americans went and killed by the hundreds looking for Usama Bin Laden.

I closing I'd like to say that the joke is in bad taste, but Darthfellas is not the bad guy so LEAVE HIM ALONE.

=mek=

Metallus
02-16-2002, 03:11 AM
MEK:
I love my country but fear my government. I'm not going to stand up for what the American military is ordered to go do, but I'm damn sure not going to say that the US or Americans in general deserved this attack.

I'm not sure if you recall, mek, but about 100 Australians died when the towers went. And maybe you don't follow the news much but America wasn't the only country involved in this "war".

You're bound to make a lot of people very angry at you for your statements, and rightly so. How could you say you don't condone violence and then say that a particular country's civilians deserved to be attacked for the actions of it's government?

As for Fellas, he was banned from the EMI boards before, and I'm pretty sure he's only back to cause more trouble. Standing up for him at this juncture is not a good strategy, being that you werent' around at the old boards.

To the EMI mods: Lay off the harrassment, it's coming across as very unprofessional. You know who you are.

NiKo
02-16-2002, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by Metallus
MEK:

To the EMI mods: Lay off the harrassment, it's coming across as very unprofessional. You know who you are.

yeah Grannen, you know better than that...


:D jk

yeah sorry, but i was shocked by the thought that i'm not an american and i cant even let a joke like 'i'm osama bin laden, i like killing americans' cross near my mind....
how the hell can he!?

note: fellas is from the UK.

Guybrush122
02-16-2002, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by MtBlanc
Wow, I'm so offended. I'm shocked and will never visit these forums again. *gasp*

who ever said anything about not visiting the forums? we are offended...and we're pissed the **** off......like human beings usually are.......

its not that we are over reacting.........we arent.....that ******* should change his profile quick or i swear to god the next plane to the UK will be mine and Fellas will be gumming applesauce for the rest of his miserable life...

MtBlanc
02-16-2002, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Metallus
To the EMI mods: Lay off the harrassment, it's coming across as very unprofessional. You know who you are.

This is all I meant, GB. I think that many of the mod positions here weren't chosen as wisely as they should have been. I'm not going to point out anyone, but sometimes the behavior I see from mods is unacceptable.

Fellas is just here to make trouble, so wouldn't you expect him to put something like that in his profile? I'm hardly shocked.

(And by the way, I'd be more offended by what Mek said than what Fellas has in his profile.)

Natty
02-16-2002, 05:48 PM
I'm just dumbfounded that anyone, even someone like Fellas could be so, I dunno, inconsiderate. I'm sorry if I came across unprofessional, I've been trying a lot harder to be more mod like and more mature about postings, especially in these sort of posts, while still having fun at the same time, in the other, less serious posts.

While I personally don't know anyone personally who lost someone or who was killed in the attacks, I'm still shocked at what has happened. I think NiKo's last post pretty much summed it up with what I'm trying to say, I certinaly don't appreciate profiles like that.

There were dozens of countries who lost people in the attacks, not just America, it's a global event that has not just affected one country, but many countries.

I seriously don't think America deserved what happened, no country deserves something like that to happen to them (and that includes Afghanastan being bombed in retaliation) however, I do know some people who say that to an extent, perhaps America deserved it in a way because they are seen as sticking their noses in where it doesn't belong, look at things like the Gulf War and Vietnam War, had nothing to do with them, and America goes in there blah blah blah blah.

I know everyone has different opinions, we all do in different cases, but I'm sure the majority of people all want Fellas to change his profile.

Guybrush122
02-16-2002, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by Meksilon
I do not condone violence, but I think what the US has/is doing now is far worse then September 11. And I now see that the US deserved the attack. They asked for it by having no respect for anyone except themselves.

A lot of good Americans died, which was a terrible loss.

But then the Americans went and killed by the hundreds looking for Usama Bin Laden.

I closing I'd like to say that the joke is in bad taste, but Darthfellas is not the bad guy so LEAVE HIM ALONE.

=mek=

listen up, **** head.....

yeah, i love my country and i hate my government.....its wrong....
and you are entitled to your opinion....

but you think we deserved it?? YOU ****ING ****!!!!!!!!

lets say, your girlfriend was in that building......lets say every one you ever loved (if you are capable of loving, you cold hearted ass) was in that building......people screaming for help.....praying to God.....maybe even your God

people burning alive.....hit by debris.....and your familly runs to the roof....and in fear of dying painfully they all jump........jump to their death.....THEY END THEIR ****ING LIFE.....leaving everything behind

theyre leaving behind their first kiss....their first time....their special moments......seeing old friends.......and they jump....they end it all......your family dies leaving you behind

who is to thank? none other than an opinionated Osama Bin Laden......just because of his religion he brings your family to your knees......

and if that happened......would you still say we deserved it? can you possibly be cold hearted enough to say that your family deserved to die like that

and if you can.........you arent human......you have no soul and are not capable of any true emotion......you think hate is the devil? maybe you......for saying that all those people deserved to die the way they did

Mek......you truely are a monster......

to Metallus: god forbid i should express my opinion.... *gasp* how could i?

Meksilon
02-16-2002, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by Metallus
MEK:
I'm not sure if you recall, mek, but about 100 Australians died when the towers went. And maybe you don't follow the news much but America wasn't the only country involved in this "war".Oooh, but the American government has now killed a lot more innocent civilians in Afganistan then Bin Laden's attacks. And that is just terrible.

Originally posted by Metallus
You're bound to make a lot of people very angry at you for your statements, and rightly so. How could you say you don't condone violence and then say that a particular country's civilians deserved to be attacked for the actions of it's government?I didn't say the civilians deserved it, but the country did. The targets were all military buildings, so it's not quite as bad as blowing up civilian buildings or anything.

Originally posted by Metallus
As for Fellas, he was banned from the EMI boards before, and I'm pretty sure he's only back to cause more trouble. Standing up for him at this juncture is not a good strategy, being that you werent' around at the old boards.Give him a chance.

=mek=

Meksilon
02-16-2002, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by Guybrush122
yeah, i love my country and i hate my government.....its wrong....
and you are entitled to your opinion....

but you think we deserved it?? YOU ****ING ****!!!!!!!!Look, your American govenrment asked for this attack and the civilians paid for it with their lives. it's terrible, I know, but it's your government's fault. IT IS THEIR FAULT THIS ATTACK HAPPENED.

Originally posted by Guybrush122
lets say, your girlfriend was in that building......lets say every one you ever loved (if you are capable of loving, you cold hearted ass) was in that building......people screaming for help.....praying to God.....maybe even your GodHow did Jesus die? Aged 36-40, bare naked with nails driven through his wrists and ankles, humiliated in front of everyone and your worried about a building collapsing?? What's more your government has gone and killed Afghanistan civilians - you call that justice?

The Bible does say that unless you repent of them you will pay for the sins of your parents (generational sin). So don't make it sound as if you know anything on the matter. Why do you think children 4, 5, 6 years old die of AIDS - IN THE FIRST WORLD, isn't that worse? It's because their parents were sleezing (or one of them was). Now I assure you there are a lot worse things in this world then September 11.

According to the American actor/movie star Nick Cage (if he's anything to go by), the Russians have 2 ounces of poison which if correctly dispersed could kill the entire worlds population.

-Daniel

Guybrush122
02-16-2002, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by Meksilon
How did Jesus die? Aged 36-40, bare naked with nails driven through his wrists and ankles, humiliated in front of everyone and your worried about a building collapsing?? What's more your government has gone and killed Afghanistan civilians - you call that justice?

The Bible does say that unless you repent of them you will pay for the sins of your parents (generational sin). So don't make it sound as if you know anything on the matter. Why do you think children 4, 5, 6 years old die of AIDS - IN THE FIRST WORLD, isn't that worse? It's because their parents were sleezing (or one of them was). Now I assure you there are a lot worse things in this world then September 11.

According to the American actor/movie star Nick Cage (if he's anything to go by), the Russians have 2 ounces of poison which if correctly dispersed could kill the entire worlds population.

-Daniel

yes, jesus died........and im not worried about the building......ITS THE ****ING PEOPLE!!!!!!!! you idiot......there may bbe worse things....and hey i hate my government too.......but we arent to blame for this attacks

by saying we are to blame is saying "well, if you didnt have the right to practice whatever religion this wouldnt have happened"

**** you

thousands die and you say "oh well....god is better"

great logic...i dont care how jesus died.............but who ever is responsible for the death of all those people should be burned alive a thousand times over........and so should you.......because your apparently happy that thousands have died.......well, be happy......soak it up......but imagine yourself burning in a building......drenched in flames.......you think thats what we deserve??

Natty
02-17-2002, 12:05 AM
Can we please not have a repeat episode of the whole religion debate? The whole abusing and slagging each other off? I seriously doubt name calling is going to solve anything

Mek, I agree, what the Americans did in retaliation I personally don't think was fair, however, what else could the Americans have done seriously? For weeks they asked the Taliban to hand over Bin Laden, they refused and in the end they paid the consequences, Afghanastan was warned, America wasn't, one day someone decides to fly some planes into some of Americas biggest and most noteable landmarks. Just remember, many lies were lost on September 11, just as many lives have been lost in the air strikes in retaliation. I have no doubt that if someone was to fly a plane into the Rialto Towers in Melbourne, or blowup the Sydney Harbour Bridge, then I have no doubt the Australian government would have done the same thing.

Meksilon
02-17-2002, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by Guybrush122
and im not worried about the building......ITS THE ****ING PEOPLE!!!!!!!! you idiot......there may bbe worse things....and hey i hate my government too.......but we arent to blame for this attacksI didn't say you were, I said your government was. And what's more is that I didn't say you were concerned with the building, a building collapsing means killing the people inside it.

Peace,

-Daniel

Guybrush122
02-17-2002, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by Meksilon
I didn't say you were, I said your government was. And what's more is that I didn't say you were concerned with the building, a building collapsing means killing the people inside it.

Peace,

-Daniel

by "we" i meant government........

and i hate the government too.......but how did the government bring this upon ourselves? did they say "hey! KILL US!" ? NO! The government just went about its business...........

as i said.......if your family died in september elevenh you wouldnt have the same views....

MtBlanc
02-17-2002, 03:11 PM
Settle down kiddies....please?

Al-back from the BigWhoop
02-17-2002, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Guybrush122


yes, jesus died........and im not worried about the building......ITS THE ****ING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!


hahaha. i ddnt wanna get into the fight, but i must say this is pretty funny.


now that ive got in it already, i have a few things i would like to point out.

1-y should civilians pay for wot their govt did?
2-metty is right, some mods are behaving, although gb122 is right too: mods have to express their feelings too (but properly, right?)
3-it IS terrible wot the little prick did, but it is also expected. wot should b done: ban the little **** and explain calmily to mek who he is.
4-gb122 i must say the US was meddling into othe ppls business since the beginnig of the century (go to #1, then back to #5)
5-i can see y gb122 is exploding, but lets try to keep it calm, k? im pretty sure mek ddnt mean it in THAT way...


DO NOT REPLY TO THE FOLLOWING SENTENCES. I DONT WANNA FIGHT! PLEASE, I M ASKING IT NICELY!

by mekThe Bible does say that unless you repent of them you will pay for the sins of your parents (generational sin). ppl probably did repent. bsides, the bible also says taht bad things do happen w good ppl (or something like that, right?)

by mekWhy do you think children 4, 5, 6 years old die of AIDS - IN THE FIRST WORLD, isn't that worse? not really, no.





do NOT reply. thank u for your time.

Guybrush122
02-17-2002, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by Al-back from the BigWhoop
1-y should civilians pay for wot their govt did?


exactly my point

2-metty is right, some mods are behaving, although gb122 is right too: mods have to express their feelings too (but properly, right?)

there is no such thing as proper....its like a personal line.......in a certain persons perspective my way of expressing myself could be proper.....it certainly is for me

and i dont see why mods have to set the damn example....being a mod just means you're responsible enough to handle a situation....it doesnt mean we're mommy and daddy trying to set the example and do the good thing.....

mods can be rude, beligerant and angry....but when it gets to the point when it is offensive and monotonous then you can un-mod me....whatever....

but since im just pissed off, riled up etc etc is because im ****ING PISSED OFF! and i want to be heard.....so if i want to say what i want to say in the way i want to say it im gonna do it....because i can and its my damn right! and a mod shouldnt be restricted like that.

if i had to act in the forumers terms of proper or else thats exactly like poor government....or even school

because in school you are allowed to speak your mind unless they dont agree with it

ie Student 1:"I love school"
Teacher: "Very good, Timmy! I'm glad you're speaking your mind, because it's your given right!"

Student 2: "I hate school because I think that-----"
Teacher: "DETENTION!"

:swear:

ive said it a million times....kids are treated as THINGS and not humans......(thus the reason to do naughty things :naughty: )

GandalfTheGrey
02-17-2002, 06:04 PM
Even though I'm new to these forums. I believe everyone does have the right to speak whatever they want to BUT if the people don't like it your screwed. Example if a person says I love th us, the goverment official are like WE NEED MORE OF THESE PEOPLE. If another person says The US sucks let's trash the place I wish america would go to hell. The goverment official can kill them! Say whatever you want but be careful about what you say You can get your @$$ into serious trouble.

Guybrush122
02-17-2002, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by GandalfTheGrey
If another person says The US sucks let's trash the place I wish america would go to hell. The goverment official can kill them!

thats exactly what i think needs to be changed...

MtBlanc
02-17-2002, 10:29 PM
Everyone can certainly express his or her opinions, but there's a difference between being angry and being an ass.

Natty
02-17-2002, 11:02 PM
There's a difference between voicing your opinion and being abusive or being a jerk over the matter, something I learned when Mek and I had the argument over religion I was pretty horrid to him about some things, just as he was horrid to me- but at least we've finally sorted things out *hopefully* and can get to be friends blah blah blah blah, and since this whole episode with Mek, he's taught me a few things, and now I realize I definatly wasn't setting a good example to the rest of the mods, and since then I've been trying harder to set a better example, so thanx Mek :D You taught me a few things :D

Fender
02-18-2002, 03:21 AM
I however refuse to learn anything... it's my god-given right!

For the record, it's Darth Fellas' birthday today.

Al-back from the BigWhoop
02-18-2002, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Guybrush122
there is no such thing as proper....its like a personal line.......in a certain persons perspective my way of expressing myself could be proper.....it certainly is for me
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well, its not only perspective, there r actual rules (not that i agree w all of them)


Originally posted by Guybrush122
and i dont see why mods have to set the damn example....being a mod just means you're responsible enough to handle a situation....it doesnt mean we're mommy and daddy trying to set the example and do the good thing.....


no 1 will respect any rule if the mods r the 1st ones to disrespect it.


Originally posted by Guybrush122
if i had to act in the forumers terms of proper or else thats exactly like poor government....or even school


even in the best democracys you still cannot express yourself by kicking some1, or getting naked in public, cause it may offend, hurt, or even scare some1 away.


Originally posted by Guybrush122
because in school you are allowed to speak your mind unless they dont agree with it

ie Student 1:"I love school"
Teacher: "Very good, Timmy! I'm glad you're speaking your mind, because it's your given right!"

Student 2: "I hate school because I think that-----"
Teacher: "DETENTION!"


your schoold sucks!!!!!!!! r all NY scholls like that?





Originally posted by Guybrush122
thats exactly what i think needs to be changed...

wait sit so your legs wont get tired :(


Originally posted by fender
For the record, it's Darth Fellas' birthday today.

a sad, sad day to remember.

Fender
02-18-2002, 02:07 PM
Hey, I always read the birthdays at the bottom of the page.... Don't start thinking I'm in a cult or anything.........

Metallus
02-18-2002, 02:41 PM
No good can come from this thread. All possible "discussion" that might arise from whatever the hell this thread was about to begin with (C++ codes?) is lost. I am going to lock it.

Mek: You are never, ever going to convince us that it's the US government's fault that the World Trade Center doesn't exist anymore. Feel free to live your life believing whatever you will, but please stop causing trouble on these forums!

Fellas: Go away before I taunt you a second time.

Message me if you feel this thread should be unlocked and it'd better be a damn good reason.

Meksilon
02-18-2002, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Al-back from the BigWhoop
1-y should civilians pay for wot their govt did?Originally posted by Guybrush122
and i dont see why mods have to set the damn example....being a mod just means you're responsible enough to handle a situation....it doesnt mean we're mommy and daddy trying to set the example and do the good thing.....Okay, well let's say you mods are like the government. Let me tell you about a true story that happened quite recently: there was once a nice, peaceful forum. And the moderators were nice, and the members were nice (let's assume in the main). One day a member posted someone's personal details and the moderators didn't edit the post. They (the moderators) got sued and the forum was shut down forever. This is a true story.

Why should forum members be punished for what the moderators did (or in this case didn't do)? It's the same thing, and I do believe that the action taken was fair (they didn't FORCE the forum to be closed, they sued the moderators who then found they had to close the forum).

Now Darth Fellas hasn't posted anything here to reflect on what's in his profile, so until he does you do not have a solid basis to ban him.

Let me give you another example, that happens all the time in courts. Now this affects the UK only. In the UK Sony seeked to sue a company distributing (not producing) PS2 MOD Chips. Now Sony had previously settled with 2 other companies, this was the first to go all the way through. The judge made a critical decision, he said that playing a PS2 game requires elements of the game to be copied to the console's memory. He then said that playing a PS2 game constitutes copying, and therefore stated that Sony's games were being copied to a console the games were not designed for, and not licensed for.

Now Sony made them give the names and addresses of everyone they sold PS2 MOD chips to. But the most important thing is that this sets a precedent. DVD Zoning is practically the same thing, so if Hollywood wants to stop multizone players in the UK they will have no problems, whereas if Sony's case never existed then everything would need to be established for the first time. And if Sony was beaten then Hollywood would be beaten. Now I'm not saying that this isn't fair, but that precedent will work for Hollywood and against the community.

=mek=

COJ
02-18-2002, 06:02 PM
notice Darth Fellas anst been here since he first post is message c++ thing

so its pretty pointless to continue the argument

Al-back from the BigWhoop
02-18-2002, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Griswold
notice Darth Fellas anst been here since he first post is message c++ thing

so its pretty pointless to continue the argument

its not an argument, its a debate. bsides, its not about fellas anymore. (2 great reasons y this topic should NOT b closed)

Originally posted by Metttalus
Mek: You are never, ever going to convince us that it's the US government's fault that the World Trade Center doesn't exist anymore. Feel free to live your life believing whatever you will, but please stop causing trouble on these forums!

the attack really WAS the US' govt's fault, thats pretty much a FACT. Wot we r debating is wether or not, the attack was just.


and Mek, the proofs you have shown r valid to prove that this sort of thing does happen, but it still doesnt explain y it can b considerated JUST. Bsides, in the examples uve shown (mainly in the 1st one) there r a few points that differ from the attack:
1-no 1 died (big, huh?)
2-they werent attacks, like sep11. They were mere INEVITABLE and INDEPENDENT CONSEQUENCES (quote: "they didn't FORCE the forum to be closed, they sued the moderators who then found they had to close the forum").

hope it is clear for u, cause honestly, its not very clear even to me... but your a smart guy, u ll understand wot i mean... right?

Guybrush122
02-18-2002, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Meksilon
Okay, well let's say you mods are like the government. Let me tell you about a true story that happened quite recently: there was once a nice, peaceful forum. And the moderators were nice, and the members were nice (let's assume in the main). One day a member posted someone's personal details and the moderators didn't edit the post. They (the moderators) got sued and the forum was shut down forever. This is a true story.



um....read more clearly....i said mods dont have to set a behavioral example......now, the mods in that forum that was closed was because the mods werent RESPONSIBLE enough to live up to their duties.........now, the mods could still behave beligerantly and stupidly and outgoing and demanding and hell, even rude and still have the responsibility to edit the post....those mods were just lazy....not agressive (like me)....so lets sum up

Escapemi Mods: agressive, responsible and express their opinions and feelings in the way they want

Those Other Sued Mods: UNRESPONSIBLE

see the difference?

now that thats cleared....

MtBlanc
02-18-2002, 09:25 PM
Why did Osama Bin Laden target the World Trade Center?

Because he wants to destroy the American way of life.

In my opinion, he's just trying to destroy people for their given way of life.

That's no better than killing blacks because of their skin color, or killing Buddhist monks because of their religious beliefs.

It's prejudice, plain and simple. And perhaps prejudiced people won't see that.

Fanaticism has got to stop.

And that's all I want to say.

Setion
02-18-2002, 10:07 PM
I could respond with a message that would be considered a flame. So thus I think that instead of flameing Mek, we should all just pause a moment and reflect upon stupidity. Look at the picture Mek has choosen if it helps:

<pause for two to five minutes>

There? See? You didn't have to use the word ****ing, ****, bitch, *******, or dumbass! It was all said right there in your head.

And for those of you who didn't quite seem to grasp what I am asking of you, I leave you with the following, all brought to you by Mek, and an stroke of genius if I might add.

"I do not condone violence"

"And I now see that the US deserved the attack."

"A lot of good Americans died, which was a terrible loss. "

"They asked for it by having no respect for anyone except themselves"

"American government has now killed a lot more innocent civilians in Afganistan then Bin Laden's attacks"

"The targets were all military buildings, so it's not quite as bad as blowing up civilian buildings or anything."

"it's terrible, I know, but it's your government's fault. IT IS THEIR FAULT THIS ATTACK HAPPENED."

"How did Jesus die? Aged 36-40, bare naked with nails driven through his wrists and ankles, humiliated in front of everyone and your worried about a building collapsing??"

"The Bible does say that unless you repent of them you will pay for the sins of your parents (generational sin). So don't make it sound as if you know anything on the matter. "

"According to the American actor/movie star Nick Cage ..."

"And what's more is that I didn't say you were concerned with the building, a building collapsing means killing the people inside it. "

"Peace,

-Daniel"

"well let's say you mods are like the government"

"and the members were nice (let's assume in the main). One day a member posted someone's personal details and the moderators didn't edit the post. They (the moderators) got sued and the forum was shut down forever. This is a true story."

"so until he does you do not have a solid basis to ban him. "

"And if Sony was beaten then Hollywood would be beaten. Now I'm not saying that this isn't fair, but that precedent will work for Hollywood and against the community."

Now don't you feel better about yourself?

I know I do!

Natty
02-18-2002, 11:31 PM
*cries* I could say something, but it's religion orientated and I don't wanna get into an argument, and if I do say it, I probably won't word it properly and it's not I'm blaming religion, but people do take religion way to seriously. (sometimes in a good way, sometimes in a bad way, such as this) In a newspaper article published in an Australian newspaper a few days after the attacks, it talked about why these people did what they did and so on. I remember posting it on the forums at the time, if I can find the post, I'll post a link to it, so you can see for yourselves.

In response to the innocent civilians killed in Afghanastan, the Bush government did say they were going to target Al Quiada (spelling) buildings and airports and the boarder, basically so that it would limit the chance of Bin Laden escaping into Pakistan. I don't know how reliable the Bush government is, but if he's anything like the Australian government, then I'd say pretty dodgy :p The thing is, if what Bush says is true, then those civilians who were killed, it was purely an accident, however, with the case of flying planes into the WTC and Pentagon, that was deliberate, and their aim was to kill and destroy. You also notice that the hijackers planned it for a fairly busy time of day (probably lucky it wasn't the middle of the day otherwise more lives would have been lost) but with the US air strikes, when they bombed these buildings and so on, it was in the middle of the night, so the chances of killing someone were far less than what the terrorist attacks were. (If that makes sense)

Deadmeat_X
02-19-2002, 02:58 AM
I think it's horrible what happened, but it's even more horrible that some jerk with nothing to do uses it for some lame jokes, that aren't even funny. It's lame, it's offensive and completely insensetive. So if you ask me, I think he should be banned for that (not that we really need to do it, cause he never came back). If you put things like that in your profile, you either like to be seen as an idiot, or you like Bin Laden. If the second thing is true, you should really be put away in a prison, cause there is NO ****ING WAY you can ever like what he did. Allright, maybe the ppl in Afghanistan have a point for hating the USA, but that doesn't give him the right to kill thousands of innocent people! Of all the humans who died on XI-IX, there were maybe one or two who extually did something against Afghanistan. It was a complete unnecessairy act of violence, and whoever came up with it, should die.
On the other hand, Amerika's reaction is also pretty sad. They attack one whole country, while they should go after the terrorists. Not everyone in Afghanistan is a terrorist, and not all terrorists live in Afghanistan. But instead of small, organised actions against a small group of ppl who are sure to be criminals, they bomb a whole country. It's the American way: overreacting. They know they are the most powerful country in the world, and do anything to prove it. Just think about the gulf war and the cold war. America is sometimes way too proud. Sad...

OK I'm tired of typing now, so I'm not even gonna try to get my spelling right. But on a last point: can you laugh about what happened? If a comedian tells something about the attacks or about the Taliban, is it wrong if you laugh about it? Should the comedians get sued if they do?

...Whatever...

Schmatz
02-22-2002, 02:20 PM
It's the past, and NOTHING can change what happened, no matter how much of a pissing contest you want this to be. Just leave it alone. You think saying it's the USA's fault for it happening, boo hoo, but saying it now won't do anything now will it?

Al-back from the BigWhoop
02-22-2002, 03:55 PM
ok, correct me if im wrong, but there r 2 main things that differ me from the rest of u guys:

- it seems to me that im the only 1 that actually believes this is a peaceful discussion, not a pointless fight.

- also, is it me, or am i the only 1 that has this point of view:
The attacks werent because of religion, they werent ment to kill as many as they could, n it didn have a purpose (of course i dont agree w its means, but i kinda agree with its ends). The WTC represents the US rule over the world economy, and the Pentagon represents the US rule over other countries internal business.
Even though Osama is a crazy mother****er, his point was: STOP MEDDLING INTO OTHER PPLS BUSINESS, BECAUSE YOU ARE VULNERABLE!

wot im about to say now is gonna cost my life, mainly because most of u are from UK, or US:
THE US IN THE 20th CENTURY IS DOING THE EXACT SAME THING THE UK DID IN THE 19TH, WHICH WAS STICKING ITS NOSE EVERYWHERE!!!


i ll show u some facts:

-Guatemalas revolution was USīfault.

-UK ruled africa, and they r the main reason to its poverty (together with Portugal and France)

-In the 60s, Brazilīs president said he ddnt want the US industries in Brazil cause they were not obeyeing some brazilian laws. CIA entered the brazilian army, killed the president, and put dictatorship in brazil for 20 years, when they tortured ppl that went against the dictatorship.

-They did similar in Chile, but many more died in there

-In WWI, England entered the middle east and promissed fredom to whoever fought the Ottoman Empire. After the end of WWI, theire freedom delayed 20-30 years. They got their freedom only because France pressured England (of course, so england would lose power)

- One of those countries was a Kwait, "accidentally" separeted from Iran. So, was Sadam Hussen really that evil? Or did the US make it seem because many US soldiers were killed in the Sandstorm war? (wot were they doing there anyways? oh, yeah, i forgot: oil!)

-In 1888, slavery was abolished in Brazil, but slave ships only stopped arriving there only in 1892-3. The UK sank many of those ships from 1890-3, cause the brazilian products were costing 1/2 as much as the UKīs, and no 1 was buying theirs.

-The US promissed the Philippines freedom from the Spanish, if they helped US in the war. They did, US won, and did not give their freedom. Instead US took over them. They only got their freedom after the US lost it to Japan.

-In the Panama war, US paid Colombian generals to lead their armys into traps, so the US could keep Panama. The UK paid the Panama army to do the same thing, so THEY could keep Panama. Result: MANY ppl died.




im not saying Osama is right, im saying he is as much pissed as 5 billion ppl in our little world.