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Bar_Tender
02-14-2002, 01:17 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the new Bryar Pistol model, to be blunt, sucks? Sure, the barrel looks great, but they TOTALLY skimped out on the handle!

In my opinion, they would have been much better off designing it after the Dark Horse Comics Dark Forces novel series. They had a GREAT picture of the Bryar on the back cover of Soldier for the Empire:

http://newcollective.org/screenshots/Bryar1.jpg

Even the Bryar in JK1 had a better handle than the JK2 version:

http://newcollective.org/screenshots/Bryar2.jpg

Instead, we get THIS:

http://newcollective.org/screenshots/bryar_pistol.gif

Am I the only one a bit dissapointed?

Jinn Tar-Nesh
02-14-2002, 01:21 PM
Maybe They'll fix it in the final version....you're right it doesn't look good.But maybe The Bryar Pistol will look better in the game??

Let's dont give up hope:confused:

Silent Wolf
02-14-2002, 01:22 PM
it kinda looks like a cannon ..i like it :D

Magnum2
02-14-2002, 01:22 PM
nope, I agree that could be better... but anyway I was looking forward to use saber only, so... :D

Jinn Tar-Nesh
02-14-2002, 01:23 PM
That's the problem...It looks like a Cannon:):D

Jinn Tar-Nesh
02-14-2002, 01:25 PM
Saber kicks ass...I'm also going to use it ONLY.:D :D

TUS_Tomcat
02-14-2002, 01:29 PM
Saberist here as well :)

But we wont have our darling when the game starts! We'll have to fight for it :)

Justus
02-14-2002, 01:30 PM
The Bryar was originally a rifle anyway, and has been modified extensively, so it's normal to assume that Kyle has made his own modifications over the years to the weapon, and the weapon has never been pretty to begin with, although I admit I do like the Dark Horse pic of it.

Silent Wolf
02-14-2002, 01:43 PM
lol tomcat :D yes and what a fight it WILL BE!!!!!!!!!! I rather like how they did that. Quite ingenious if you ask me. When you finnaly acquire your lightsaber youll be very familiar with the feel of the game and you also feel rewarded. Itll put a big ol grin on everyones faces when they hear it start up for the first time, oh how sweet it is. Thinking of this makes the wait till march 25th - 28th all the more worth it :D.

CorranHornjr
02-14-2002, 01:50 PM
I think they all look pretty much alike. The handle is straight down compared to coming out more. But your hand will be on it, and so we can't really see it. I don't think kyle is going to stop the game and say "Hey wait a sec!! You *astards!!! You changed my gun!!!!"

It looks pretty good to me, though I guess I am a saber guy too and I never really used that gun except when the stormtrooper rifle couldn't aim right. But I see a change and Raven seems to have changed alot things, but i think most are for the better.

I hope Raven doesn't have it when after you kill someone, their gun floats above the ground and goes around in a circle, but is just laying on the ground. I dont' know, it just seemed weird to me.

TrUeFoRcE
02-14-2002, 01:51 PM
yes i also agree, i never really liked the bryar pistol anyways, but it does look more like a cannon, almost like a quake 3 weaon instead of a star wars pistol....but dont worry im sure someone will make a new model of it after the game is released

TUS_Tomcat
02-14-2002, 01:51 PM
but it also makes the wait harder!

im gonna go insane aaaaaaaahhh! :)

Wacky_Baccy
02-14-2002, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by Bar_Tender
Am I the only one who thinks the new Bryar Pistol model, to be blunt, sucks? Sure, the barrel looks great, but they TOTALLY skimped out on the handle!

In my opinion, they would have been much better off designing it after the Dark Horse Comics Dark Forces novel series. They had a GREAT picture of the Bryar on the back cover of Soldier for the Empire:

http://newcollective.org/screenshots/Bryar1.jpg

Agreed.


Am I the only one a bit dissapointed?
No. The Bryar model for JK was considerably better than the one for JKII - I hope they've improved it since then, because I quite liked the Bryar in JK, and was planning to use it a fair bit in JKII... It won't make-or-break the game for me, though :)

Justus
02-14-2002, 02:24 PM
Personally I'd rather have a DL-44 blaster pistol myself...

StormHammer
02-14-2002, 02:38 PM
Welcome to the forums, Bar_Tender, Jinn Tar-Nesh, Silent Wolf and Magnum2. Hope you enjoy your stay. Here...

*hands each a chocolate Jedi Medallion*. There you go. ;)

As for the Bryar...I have to agree that model looks a little odd compared to the other pics. Of course, trying to get it to look nice and curvy like that Dark Horse pic would take a mass of polys - and it just looks more like a handgun rather than a modified rifle.

Anyway, I don't think it will bother me too much when I'm fragging the bad guys. :)

bsbuckeye21
02-14-2002, 03:02 PM
Actually, the form of the JK model does look a little better to me, but I don't know anything about this stuff. :)

But really... when will you see the handle that much anyway?

Wacky_Baccy
02-14-2002, 03:17 PM
Not much, hopefully :D ;)

Emon
02-14-2002, 03:24 PM
That's the whole point of the Bryar pistol. It's like the Star Wars equivelant of a .50 calibur Desert Eagle. It's a sawed off RIFLE. It's SUPPOSED to be huge, not that skimpy one from JK or DF.

Dirth Vedar
02-14-2002, 03:56 PM
1/2 of the people are saber only, the other 49.5% will only use the pistol for 5 seconds until you score the first kill and get a ST rifle, so who cares what it look like. It's just suppose to be a pistol for personal protection, even if it has been modified a billion times to make it more powerful, it's not suppose to be this super weapon, just another weapon, one that's going to get about as much use as the stun baton. It could look like a rolling pin for all I care. I rather have Raven screw up the pistol completely than to mess up on the repeater rifle because they spent too much time modelling the pistol just right. Just my opinion.

TUS_Tomcat
02-14-2002, 04:08 PM
but you know, it IS Kyles favorite weapon!!!!!


never seen anyone use it though :p

Silent Wolf
02-14-2002, 05:46 PM
pfft i dont know about you guys but i for one will master the sneak attack stun batton kill!!!!!!!!!!! that and saber :D

Silent_One
02-14-2002, 05:51 PM
Welcome to the forums, Bar_Tender, Jinn Tar-Nesh, Silent Wolf and Magnum2. Hope you enjoy your stay. Here...
I new too. Don't I get a chocolate Jedi Medallion too???:confused: :(

MercenaryI{aos
02-14-2002, 05:58 PM
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It does look wierd (especially handle)
It is fat becuase (read Bryar pistol on wepons page of official website - secondary fire)
I'll rarely use it anyway :D
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Justus
02-14-2002, 06:25 PM
In Dark Forces, and Jedi Knight it was good for picking off enemies from long ranges... that was what I always used it for anyway, it had pretty good accuracy for long ranges.

Graphicsgod
02-14-2002, 06:47 PM
Well if raven doesn't replace/fix it, someone will fire up 3dmax and remake it anyway.

Raven must be doing two weapons for first and third. Which is odd since Q3 can support high poly weapons in either perspective. Only the older FPS needed low poly external models. Q3 uses the same model for first and third to save on load time (and it looks better). True there are no hands or arms attached to the weapons, but either way you should be able to use the same model in either perspective. I've noticed this in other companies that use the Q3 license. Raven also did this with EF I think. When will they learn?

......And that was ranting with Graphicsgod :D.

Brick
02-14-2002, 07:09 PM
Same here. Even according to the official site, the Bryor Pistol is for longer distances. The stormtrooper rifle was never goo for that because it splayed shots everywhere like it was being fired by a drunk.

That's always been something that bugged me about the stormtrooper rifle not being accurate. Didn't Obi-Wan say in the original Star Wars movie that "only Imperial troops are so precise" or something close to that? How can they be accurate if their weapons fire like drunken sailors?

MercenaryI{aos
02-14-2002, 07:33 PM
Precise is such a broadly used word, it has no precise meaning:D


Maybe those stormies Obi-Wan were talking about had repeaters:confused:

Redwing
02-15-2002, 12:21 AM
I'm guessing the stormie rifle will be accurate when used in semi-automatic mode. It'll probably "spray shots everywhere like it was being fired by a drunk" in automatic mode :D

At least, it better. The inaccurate stormie rifle in JK was disgustingly lame and totally inaccurate (pun intended ;)) to canon.

As for the Bryar, Kyle modified it (again) to let a shot charge in the blast chamber before firing. Likely that made the barrel heavier, so he designed a new handle to make up for it.

Murdock
02-15-2002, 12:36 AM
That's always been something that bugged me about the stormtrooper rifle not being accurate. Didn't Obi-Wan say in the original Star Wars movie that "only Imperial troops are so precise" or something close to that? How can they be accurate if their weapons fire like drunken sailors?


That's what was so hilarious about a reader question in one of the recent Star Wars Insider magazines. The guy said something like, "How did Obi-Wan know stormtroopers had attacked the sandcrawler? We all know that stormtroopers are poor shots, and we saw in Episode I that the Tusken Raiders are able to accurately hit pods racing by at over 600KPH." :D

Of course, if you've seen Troops, you know what really happened to the sandcrawler and Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. ;)

acdcfanbill
02-15-2002, 01:04 AM
troops, that really funny!! but if this is the bryar we get, i will use it, it doesnt look to bad, it looks mean, ugly and thrown together just like kyle does!

Ham Yoyo
02-15-2002, 01:24 AM
I'll be using the stormie rifle and the lightsaber.

Justus
02-15-2002, 08:55 AM
I think I'll use every weapon at my disposal at one time or another... I won't stick to just one weapon I can gurantee that.

Bar_Tender
02-15-2002, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Redwing
As for the Bryar, Kyle modified it (again) to let a shot charge in the blast chamber before firing. Likely that made the barrel heavier, so he designed a new handle to make up for it.

And the best he could do to "support" it was THAT skinny thing? He CAN'T have stopped using the Force; he's using it to keep the barrel from falling off!!!

Naphtali
02-15-2002, 10:06 PM
Did any one think that maybe it has something to do with the story, myabe its and outdated he has to use because it has a secondary or third fire that his byar didn't have.
Myabe it has something to do with the story could be.
or kyle could loose his own, and is given an antique byar.

Thrawn
02-15-2002, 10:34 PM
I'll be using the saber, and whatever gun makes the biggest explosion:)

JR2000Z
02-15-2002, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by Brick
Same here. Even according to the official site, the Bryor Pistol is for longer distances. The stormtrooper rifle was never goo for that because it splayed shots everywhere like it was being fired by a drunk.

That's always been something that bugged me about the stormtrooper rifle not being accurate. Didn't Obi-Wan say in the original Star Wars movie that "only Imperial troops are so precise" or something close to that? How can they be accurate if their weapons fire like drunken sailors?


Its not the weapon, but the person that uses the weapon makes the difference.

JPMaximilian
02-15-2002, 11:13 PM
I kinda like this Bryar model. I used the Bryar a lot in JK because the storm trooper blaster was worthless at range. True, this Model isn't as good as the Dark Horse Comics pic, but thats okay.

Belgirion
02-15-2002, 11:15 PM
the new bryar model is ok I guess. I'd rather have a bryar looking like the one from DH comics. I'm sure there will be skins for guns and stuff like in Counter-Strike

Obi
02-15-2002, 11:22 PM
<font color=cbcbff> Don't underestimate the possible strategic value of the new Bryar model. While it might have been fairly not-so-fearsome in Jedi Knight, it's dead-on accuracy, charging bolt and (probably) low ammo usage might make it a strategically valuable weapon. I remember nailing quite a few people in MotS with a full charge from the DL-44(I think that's the model) that can be found in that game and it hurts. With the new GHOUL2 system, a fully charged shot in the head might well be enough to kill someone instantly.

Raven obviously thinks a lot of the gun, because their playtester was trying to use it against an AT-ST in the first trailer(he either had god mode on or....he was toast shortly after that scene was captured).

Redwing
02-16-2002, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by JR2000Z



Its not the weapon, but the person that uses the weapon makes the difference.

You've played JK, right? The lovely devs decided to make the stormie rifle woefully inacurrate. It was impossible to hit where you aimed, because the rifle automatically missed.

Extremely lame.

scubactor
02-16-2002, 10:08 AM
The briar pistol is quite useful for accuracy purposes. Who cares about the handle? I doubt stormtroopers are gonna scratch their heads and make fun or him for having a small handle.
As soon as you kill someone you'll jack their gun and use that. And then you'll jack the next coolest gun, etc. etc. And when you get the sabre, it's all quiet for 20 seconds while you contemplate tossing all your other weapons in the trash. You dump the weapons (excluding the briar pistol because of it's accuray) and you proceed to kill everyone. Whoever thinks that you need a massive gun with huge trashing capabilities never played JK. Fools can't escape the lightsabre. All you gotta do is remove said stormtrooper head with your deathstick and gameover.

Wacky_Baccy
02-16-2002, 10:55 AM
As soon as you kill someone you'll jack their gun and use that. And then you'll jack the next coolest gun, etc. etc. And when you get the sabre, it's all quiet for 20 seconds while you contemplate tossing all your other weapons in the trash. You dump the weapons (excluding the briar pistol because of it's accuracy) and you proceed to kill everyone. Whoever thinks that you need a massive gun with huge trashing capabilities never played JK. Fools can't escape the lightsabre. All you gotta do is remove said stormtrooper head with your deathstick and gameover.

LOL - you can stay :)

Justus
02-16-2002, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Redwing


You've played JK, right? The lovely devs decided to make the stormie rifle woefully inacurrate. It was impossible to hit where you aimed, because the rifle automatically missed.

Extremely lame.

It was the same way in Dark Forces, the stormtrooper rifle was horrible for accuracy, but good for close quarters combat. If you enter a room with a bunch of baddies you can strafe and just spray your blaster fire, I found the tactic very useful in Jedi Knight single player, and Dark Forces for that matter.