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JediArs
02-14-2002, 05:45 PM
In the JKI movie, Jerec used some disable force power on Khan. We may be able to use or experience this in JKII. Thats what I think.

StarScrap
02-14-2002, 07:33 PM
Isn't it Rahn?

Darth Lunatic
02-14-2002, 07:41 PM
Yeah it's Rahn.

"Why hesitate? Strike me down.."

JR2000Z
02-14-2002, 07:44 PM
I always wondered why he disabled Rahn but not Kyle...

Kurgan
02-14-2002, 07:49 PM
Probably the same reason Yun used destruction in the cutscenes, but not in the actual gameplay (or Kyle in MotS for that matter).

There either wasn't good communication between the cutscene people and everyone else, or else they ran out of time to "fix" it.

Otherwise what would it mean? That that power was "too hard" and so the character could only use it that one time (and it was just a one shot deal)?

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JR2000Z
02-14-2002, 07:59 PM
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Back to topic. :)

Darth Lunatic
02-14-2002, 08:03 PM
Looks like Jan :D

Thrawn
02-14-2002, 08:10 PM
It could be that Rhan was weaker in the Force than Kyle when he first met Jerec. Therefore, Jerec couldn't do some of the same moves on Kyle.

Rogue_Ace
02-14-2002, 10:08 PM
But Jerec was "tapped" into the enery of the valley, wouldn't he be able to use that advantage again even if Kyle was stronger than Rahn... it seems like a corny power to me it takes all of the fun out of dueling someone to the death...all you have to do is use that power and chop off the head and game over:(

Nemios
02-15-2002, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by Kurgan
Probably the same reason Yun used destruction in the cutscenes, but not in the actual gameplay (or Kyle in MotS for that matter).

What? When?

Obi
02-15-2002, 04:52 AM
<font color=cbcbff> I think they are counting the "yellow light" that Yun uses to knock Kyle over in the first cutscene in which Kyle meets Yun as Yun using destruction. I think if you had to back up the reason why Rahn gets his butt kicked and Kyle doesn't is:

a. Kyle is the main character and Rahn is a petty supporting role, therefore it's perfectly acceptible to kill off Rahn.

b. The theory in which Kyle's strength in the force is augmented by the Valley of the Jedi could be used to back up Rahn's defeat over Kyle's survival.

c. Rahn may have been tired after just fighting off a good chunk of the people that Kyle takes a whole entire game to "meet" and destroy. That being said, Rahn didn't seem to have any nifty powers like Blind(Not that it would have been effective against a character who appears to have no eyes anyway) to help him fend Jerec off, so he just sat there and whimpered until Jerec whacked off his head.

Nemios
02-15-2002, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by Obi
I think they are counting the "yellow light" that Yun uses to knock Kyle over in the first cutscene in which Kyle meets Yun as Yun using destruction.

Destruction!?!?
The "script" of the scene IMHO:
-Kyle enters the room threatening 8t88
-Yun enters, while 8t88 escapes
-Yun puts his yellow lightsabre onto the stone map which, exploding, pushes kyle back

Sturmgewehr
02-15-2002, 06:20 AM
Rahn had to die, just like Obi Wan had to die in A New Hope. Rahn had to die to help Kyle. He was the one who told Kyle about Jerec's plans to capture the Valley of the Jedi. Who's voice do you think that is telling you about each Dark Jedi before you fight them? It's Rahn. Rahn couldn't have killed Jerec because the the prophecy said that Kyle had to do it. When that prophecy was fulfilled (Kyle killing Jerec), then the power of the Jedi trapped in the Valley was released. No one else could have done could have killed Jerec, it had to be Kyle.

My theory is that in between levels, Rahn teaches Kyle about the force, we just don't see it. That would make the "Hey, a lightsaber, I'm a jedi now!" part alittle easier to take.

Those adds on the right side are really cool, escpecially when someone posts a picture and the adds cover it up and you can't read what they wrote on the post. I wich they'd get rid of them or have it so they move with the right margin of the widest post so they don't cover things up.

Rogue_Ace
02-15-2002, 10:13 AM
How would the lightsaber make the stone explode??? wouldn't it just burn right through it? I agree with Sturmgewehr's idea about Rahn being just like Obi-wan in the fact that they had to die to help the main character.

Nemios
02-15-2002, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Rogue_Ace
How would the lightsaber make the stone explode??? wouldn't it just burn right through it?

Don't ask, I don't know. But I saw what I said in the cutscene. A prove is the table with a burning in the level.

thrEEpaGe
02-15-2002, 10:41 AM
maybe it was a cortosis ore/ c4 blend? hehe...but not so much cortosis ore that it didnt shut the saber off very quickly?

Justus
02-15-2002, 11:32 AM
I always thought he blinded Kyle, and it knocked Kyle back because he wasn't expecting it. Yun does something with his hand, and a yellow 'force' type power comes out, afterwards he looks towards his hand and moves his fingers around and makes the comment "In all my years I've only known dark jedi never one from the light side, some how I expected more..." I have it fresh in my memory because I just got finished playing through the single player missions for the first time in years.

The reason I think it's force blinding is because it's the only power that Yun uses in that first duel, aside from force jump. He tries to blind regularly throughout that duel, quite irritating too.

JediArs
02-15-2002, 12:48 PM
I think Yun used force destruction but Jerec?! What force power was that?! Whatever it was, I would sure like to use it! And Rahn...he may be back in JKII....as a ghost.:rolleyes:

Silent_Thunder
02-15-2002, 01:19 PM
"How would the lightsaber make the stone explode??? wouldn't it just burn right through it?"

How does the lightsaber make enemies fly 100 feet away from Kyle, as if they were hit be a train, when kyle touches them with his lightsaber (see trailer..)? :p

Jinn Tar-Nesh
02-15-2002, 01:22 PM
I don't know....But it looks awesome:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Justus
02-15-2002, 01:40 PM
The force power Jerec used on Rahn looks more like force destruction than what Yun used on Kyle.

Kurgan
02-15-2002, 01:49 PM
Another thing is that Rahn, WANTED to die.. that's right. The pilot was dead, so it was made clear that the Dark Jedi weren't messing around. His choices were limited.. either goad Jerec into killing him right there, or go down fighting. He didn't have much a chance anyway, his tiny ship (that was already heavily damaged at the time of his capture, via the cutscene) and the Star Destroyer.

Rahn was going to die anyway, but he wanted to die quickly so that they could not extract information from him (notice Jerec probes his mind for the information about Morgan Katarn and the Valley's location). He was likely roughed up a bit beforehand as well. I'm sure the books elaborate on this, but it's been awhile.

If Jerec had killed Rahn before he got the information that Morgan Katarn knew where the Valley was, he'd have had a harder time finding where to go.

I consider what Yun used to be destruction, because it looks like he shoots a fire-like energy FROM his hand TO Kyle's body, and it throws Kyle back (just like destruction). Whereas what Jerec uses on Rahn, glows on his chest, and makes him crumple to the ground. Perhaps it could be Deadly Sight? However, I always assumed Deadly Sight came out of the person's eyes (since you have to "look" at them, and you don't wave your hand). But the point is it drains and finally immobilizes (rather than throwing him across the room), neither of which Destruction does.

The only other power we've seen that would do what Yun's attack does is Push, although the "fire" effect seems to lean more towards destruction.

Naphtali
02-15-2002, 09:45 PM
The powers in JK are not from the movies, they are generic, unofficial, in order to make JKo more like the movies, they have all the official/reasonable powers, however unlike JK they dont have
have to use the force powers as a crutch to compensate and over exaggerating them because of poor lightsaber control.
Moreover, now you have all the official powers/reasonable force abilities because now you dont have over do it why? Saber fighting is much more dramatical and far superior now.

So until those powers in JK that you all seem to like actually come in the movies they are still generic

digl
02-15-2002, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Naphtali
The powers in JK are not from the movies, they are generic, unofficial, in order to make JKo more like the movies, they have all the official/reasonable powers, however unlike JK they dont have
have to use the force powers as a crutch to compensate and over exaggerating them because of poor lightsaber control.
Moreover, now you have all the official powers/reasonable force abilities because now you dont have over do it why? Saber fighting is much more dramatical and far superior now.

So until those powers in JK that you all seem to like actually come in the movies they are still generic

:confused: :confused: :confused:

I dont understand much of your post, but I think that if you are saying that the game should only have what is shown in the movies, you are wrong. Thats not the way games work. This is the expanded universe, these days a big part of the SW universe
If the game used only locales seen in the movies, weapons seen in the movies, enemies seen in the movies and force powers seen in the movies, It would plainly suck

Kurgan
02-16-2002, 03:35 AM
I couldn't agree more.. I mean it might be an okay game (with a lot less variety), but since it's based on the expanded universe, it should be able to take full advantage of all the material that goes beyond the films.

Tay-Mar
02-16-2002, 04:13 AM
Hmmmmmmmmmm

It would seem to me that a visit to -

http://www.theforce.net - is in order.

I've checked out the un-official encylopedia, there is no mention of Jerec's 'Force Hold' power. It does say that Rahn was destined to help Kyle find the path to the force, there is no mention of him being able to do this whilst he was still alive.

The stone ceiling thing bothers me, it is a light saber that Yun put through the map but why would it explode ?
:confused:

Oh well, it made the game that bit more exciting didn't it.

Naphtali
02-16-2002, 04:48 AM
:cool:

Yeah..right....ugh huh did isay that....hmmm

Well dont get it twisted kid, theirs nothing wrong with th expanded universe, i have a few books, but sometimes by including these elements you can mess up the game, with bad variety, instead of well chosen variety.
JO doesnt seem to have that problem.
By including some of those things(which I thought were bad) you can break a game to me.

But the point was not only how bad it was, but now the gameplay is so good theirs no need to overdue the powers, and thanks to the engine its like something out the movie itself, because all the things are allowed to do with the force powers.


Now ive been accused of saying they should restrict it to starwars movies. I know this would make it dull?....not really; but I see your point. Next I only said the powers, not planets or locales, again transferring these powers are risky when not done right. Force powers now are much more superior since they interact with the enviornment.
Again im not knocking the EU, but some of those elements brought in to jk made some aspects ridiculous.
I was simply saying how great it is they wont make the same mistakes with JKO.
I cant beleive wasted this much to respond to a self explanatory quote i made about JK powers from EU

ScummyRAT
02-17-2002, 01:47 AM
Topic-related matter to follow, but first...

Four words, forming two ideas:
Spell Check
Grammar Check

This isn't a flame to anybody in particular, but I honestly can't make any sense of what a lot of people are trying to convey. Please, everybody, use your tools and read over your typing before you post something. I'm sure that you have good ideas, but they are usually masked by garbled keyboard pawing or flawed homonyms. Quick lesson: Their = belonging to a group; There = denoting a location; They're = they are To = indicative of a direct object; Two = a number equalling one plus one; Too = in addition. I know that you have(most likely) passed the second grade; let's back that up. Feel free to flame me on this (my e-mail address is ScummyRAT@aol.com).

Now, I don't suppose that it has occured to anyone that Jerec and Yun may simply be using the Force, and not some selectable-made-for-gaming-knock-off thereof? It doesn't really matter if they gesture or not. The motions are there so the viewers know what's going on, or, are excused as a focus for channeling the Force. Most of the colored effects, in my opinion, are just there so that you can tell what someone is doing, and why, for instance, Kyle is slammed into a wall. Feel free to flame me on this, too.

TUS_Tomcat
02-17-2002, 05:17 AM
hey, i was looking at the new trailer, andin the lightsaber fight around 1:05, it seems Kyle does some kind of force hold???


screenie:

<img src="http://members.tusclan.com/tomcat/screens/fhold.jpg">


that reborn just stands still! She was spinning her saber wild but then kyle sticks his hand out and she just stops and stands there... then the scene cuts away, heh

CaptainRAVE
02-17-2002, 05:41 AM
He also does it at screen index 1:42 (before the guy gets killed and it goes into slow motion). Maybe it takes life of him or something.....looks cool anyway :D

StephenG
02-17-2002, 05:57 AM
no...he is choking him.

Broode
02-17-2002, 06:45 AM
Yup, thats definately choke. He only looks like he is holding the reborn because they're so close. Actually, I wonder if, if you choke someone at point blank range, it actually looks like your holding thier throat :)