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bsbuckeye21
02-18-2002, 05:33 PM
In the recent PCG UK video, it appears that the nasty ol' Q3 font is still in there! I don't want to be reminded that JK2 is just some skinned Q3! I know the chance is slight that it won't be changed, but seeing the Q3 font would really take me out of the JK world.

Uber_Saber
02-18-2002, 05:40 PM
Ummm... I think you're splitting hairs, here. This is not just a skinned Q3 game, Raven has incorporated a lot of technology and time and effort into this game and to suggest that the font will damage gameplay before you even play the game is ludicrous.

Dark Malice
02-18-2002, 05:40 PM
Well, I always liked the Q3A font. I'd rather have something more Star Warsy and a bit more kick ass looking, but the Q3A font is all good with me. :fett:

dazilla
02-18-2002, 05:48 PM
I didn't play quake 3 enough to recognize the quake 3 demo, so it won't make that much different. But, of course, a star wars font will be much nicer.

Belgirion
02-18-2002, 06:04 PM
I could care less if they have the same main menu screen as Quake III. I just want a fun game to play

Krayt Tion
02-18-2002, 06:19 PM
While I don't think including the standard Q3 font will be as much of a putoff as buckeye has suggested, I do think that having a special JK2 font would make the game feel a wittle bit more special.

I won't deny that there is indeed a connection in my mind between that font and the original game. It might not be of the utmost importance but I can't see how including it would not be better for the game.

A lot of polish can make an already great game a little better, regardless of the game play, so I don't think he is out of line by questioning the inclusion of something like a different font.

Uber_Saber
02-18-2002, 06:25 PM
That's true, but I don't think it's going to be a horrible dissapointment if it doesn't.

simon says
02-18-2002, 06:27 PM
Besides, to thoes of us who don't play quake the font will look new. And anyways, who cares what the font is as long as it says you just cut someone down with a lightsaber?

Redwing
02-18-2002, 06:51 PM
I refuse to buy JK2 if the Quake 3 font is used.















;P ;)

+Nimbus+
02-18-2002, 07:11 PM
This is stupid, it's a font, not the game, you're playing the game not reading stuff, and if they have one of those Star Wars things where the text scrolls down it'll be the Star Wars font.

Redwing
02-18-2002, 07:18 PM
You know, I guess most Americans don't get sarcasm. :p :rolleyess

Bio Warrior
02-18-2002, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by +Nimbus+
This is stupid, it's a font, not the game, you're playing the game not reading stuff, and if they have one of those Star Wars things where the text scrolls down it'll be the Star Wars font.

it just aint a star wars game without that scrolling font

digl
02-18-2002, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Uber_Saber
Ummm... I think you're splitting hairs, here. This is not just a skinned Q3 game, Raven has incorporated a lot of technology and time and effort into this game and to suggest that the font will damage gameplay before you even play the game is ludicrous.
Uber_Saber and +Nimbus+, I think you didnt understand bsbuckeye21's post at all
He knows as much as you or even more how much Raven has done to the engine, but he doesnt want to be reminded that the game was made with the quake engine, and I totally agree

Tap[RR]
02-18-2002, 07:36 PM
Ughh.... dude... console text shouldnt be pretty, and all we seen was console text. Either way it affects NOTHING, jk1's text wasnt anywhere near "starwarsy" so i cant figure out, why your complaining. On the other hand, i think raven will edit the chat text in jk2.. if they dont, it wouldnt matter one bit.... jeez some people can be too picky :rolleyes:

Pogwaffle
02-18-2002, 07:44 PM
I dont care. You could make a mod to change it anyway if you dont like it

[SWS]Strider
02-18-2002, 07:48 PM
You know, I guess most Americans don't get sarcasm.

We don't? When did this happen? I can't belive I didn't know about this.


Strider:rolleyes:

db6
02-18-2002, 08:06 PM
The great thing about the Quake 3 engine is that is is very customizable. There are mod's that were made for Quake 3 (such as DBZ:Final Bout) that customized everything, including fonts. So unless Raven programmers decided that the Quake font is good enough (which I doubt), there is a very good chance that we get to see a star wars font.

BTW, I don't think Quake 3 has the GHOUL 2 system within the engine, so, already, this game is more than a Quake 3 mod.

Uber_Saber
02-18-2002, 08:13 PM
Posted by Digl:
Uber_Saber and +Nimbus+, I think you didnt understand bsbuckeye21's post at all
He knows as much as you or even more how much Raven has done to the engine, but he doesnt want to be reminded that the game was made with the quake engine, and I totally agree
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You know, I don't know about you, but I'm going to be to busy slicing arms off of stormies to pay attention and worry about the console text. If it's the same as Q3, so what? The point is to blow somebody's head off, not fret about the console text! I don't care if they use a Q3 engine, or if they use the same text or not.

But I understand where you're coming from. Even though I disagree. :p

digl
02-18-2002, 08:23 PM
I agree, It wont affect gameplay at all, but I would prefer another font, and Im pretty sure they will use another, because using the same one would make it look like "just some skinned Q3" as bsbuckeye21 says :p

note: I said "make it look like...", dont start telling me the game is different than Q3, I know that :cool:

bsbuckeye21
02-18-2002, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by digl

Uber_Saber and +Nimbus+, I think you didnt understand bsbuckeye21's post at all
He knows as much as you or even more how much Raven has done to the engine, but he doesnt want to be reminded that the game was made with the quake engine, and I totally agree

Thanks for making me type less, digl. :)

Some of you guys are really interpreting what I said to the extreme. Krayt Tion summed it up a bit better, and I agree.

I know there were some people here way back putting the game down calling it "just some Q3 mod", but that ceratinly wasn't me. (I've been around here since here wasn't here and the game was called Obi-Wan.;)) I was just trying to prove the point, and let me re-emphisize that "seeing the Q3 font would really take me out of the JK world." It all boils down to me not wanting the game to be "just some Q3 mod", and without that extra polish it would distract a bit.

Q3 font was fine for Q3. Now it's time for some JK, bay-bay! ;)

bsbuckeye21
02-18-2002, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by +Nimbus+
...and if they have one of those Star Wars things where the text scrolls down it'll be the Star Wars font.

I hate waiting through that part of every Star Wars game. :D

You seem to be the one getting heated on this subject...

Locke101
02-18-2002, 09:08 PM
is it me? Or are people becoming a bit picky with things. Everyone is complaining about features that we have no idea how they are going to work(IE force powers). I mean, if it is q3 font, it might just be there temporary untill they have the final build.

bsbuckeye21
02-18-2002, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Tap[RR]
Ughh.... dude... console text shouldnt be pretty...

What should it be? Ugly and amaturish? Do you buy and surround yourself with ugly things?

Either way it affects NOTHING, jk1's text wasnt anywhere near "starwarsy" so i cant figure out, why your complaining.

I don't mean that (IMHO) dumb "Star Wars" title font that reaked of 70's. (Well, of course it was made around then. ;)) I mean the one in JK or something other than the Q3, because after all, it isn't Q3, and it is a game in the JK legacy.

On the other hand, i think raven will edit the chat text in jk2.. if they dont, it wouldnt matter one bit.... jeez some people can be too picky :rolleyes:

What do you think I'd really do? Not buy the game just because of a font?! In most aspects of life, you have to go the extra mile. (or kilometer ;)). I do think like you that they will get around to change it, but yes, it does matter. It would be part of the extra mile in that: show more professionalism, keep you more immersed, and having that all-around sense that this is a quality piece of work. (Just the same way some people are picky about a good full color game manul.)

Any more jump-throaters here? ;)

bsbuckeye21
02-18-2002, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Locke101
I mean, if it is q3 font, it might just be there temporary untill they have the final build.

That's what I'm hoping for, and that's why I'm bringing it up - the game isn't gold yet. Raven reads the boards. We just saw (we're pretty sure anyway) that the Q3 font was in the very recent PCG UK video. Q3 font = bad because of the many reasons listed above.

Elendil
02-19-2002, 08:44 PM
I hope changing the font is the last thing on Raven's mind. Although a little font change never hurt anyone. ;)

darky
02-19-2002, 11:21 PM
Die QIII in-game font, die!! :atat: :deathstar :bdroid1: :deathii: :fett:

Swoosh
02-20-2002, 11:41 AM
I watched the video a few more times and to me the font looks different. In fact, it looks more like the "official JKII font" more than anything. (I'm talking about the one on the logo). Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks pretty good anyways. Perhaps Raven can clarify on this?

Swoosh

Agen
02-20-2002, 11:57 AM
Buckie's back :sweat: .... Also i didn't play Q3 alot but i remember the font but it reminds yo uthat's it is using the engine so it'd be better if the done away with it.

thrEEpaGe
02-20-2002, 12:24 PM
actually, it is how the textures are rendered that reminds you of what engine the game is using...UT derivatives and Q3 derivatives are easily differentiable (hehe i hope that someone here has taken calculus to see the pun) .... you can just TELL what engine is being used...

Agen
02-20-2002, 12:43 PM
Yeh, i know what you're getting at search for "That Q3 look" thread.

X-Vector
02-20-2002, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by thrEEpaGe
actually, it is how the textures are rendered that reminds you of what engine the game is using...UT derivatives and Q3 derivatives are easily differentiable (hehe i hope that someone here has taken calculus to see the pun) .... you can just TELL what engine is being used...


True, but the point is that there's a variation in the degree to which these games resemble their 'technological forebear'.
Medal of Honor: Allied Assault has a look that diverges more from that of Q3 than Return To Castle Wolfenstein or Elite Force do.
It's a case of damage control, to put it somewhat dramatically.

I'm not really worried that JO will feel like a Q3 mod, I'm more concerned about the game being a Star Wars Elite Force mod with bells on.
It still remains to be seen if this is a valid concern, but considering the fact that JO's basic (rendering) tech is very similar to EF's and the obvious likeness in some of the respective level and weapon design at least, I'd say that it would be in Raven's interest (and our's) to offer as much 'originality' as they can in the little things.

That includes providing a display font that's unique to JO.

thrEEpaGe
02-20-2002, 01:45 PM
obviously since jk0 isnt new game technology, it will not do well if it does not distinguish itself from a q3 derivative....

X-Vector
02-20-2002, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by thrEEpaGe
obviously since jk0 isnt new game technology, it will not do well if it does not distinguish itself from a q3 derivative....

Not if the gameplay is similar to its technological predecessor.
Counter-Strike is very recognizably a Half-Life tech product, but that hasn't really hurt its popularity because its gameplay concept was sufficiently different from HL's.
This is not necessarily the case with JO vs EF, JO doesn't seem to break much more FPS ground than EF did, the main difference lies in the respective 'Trek' and 'Wars' universes they're situated in - which provides JO with the added bonus of the Force and the lightsaber melee combat.