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Redwing
02-19-2002, 03:16 AM
From PC Gamer UK:


Well, the relatively small amount of skins means there's an absurd amount of Stormtroopers, Imperial Officers, Weequay, Gran and Rodians to kill, but few other races. Plus, even those great models that have been created (such as TIE-Fighter Pilots, Swamptroopers, Protocol Droids, R2 units, etc) are used far too infrequently. This doesn't spoil the game as such, but just prevents it from providing total immersion in the universe. Which is a crying shame, when an extra month of development would have sufficed to create a more varied and interesting cast of players.

Gee, that sounds foreboding :( Raven, say it ain't so! Apparently PC Gamer UK was reviewing a build that was over a month old, so there's hope...not that it would ruin the game if what was said is true, but... *holds out hope that a Raven dev will come along to calm his fears*

Obi
02-19-2002, 03:57 AM
<font color=cbcbff> Thinking about it, that's about the same as the first one.


JK I:(it's late, so I might miss some)
Tuskens
Gran
Stormtroopers
Officers
Rodians
Probe droids and "Patrol Droids"'
Gamorrean Pig Guards

JK II:
Weequay
Gran
Stormtroopers
Officers
Rodians
Swamptroopers
"Reborn" Dark Jedi thugs
Probe Droids
Gamorreans?

Kurgan
02-19-2002, 06:04 AM
It does sound like there aren't going to be very many new things, however...

I won't list every single JK enemy out of the manual, but there are several "new" characters this time around.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS WARNING (Note this info came from interviews with Tosti freely available to the public)

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There are also:

Gray suited Imperial Officers
Shadowtroopers
The Final Dark Jedi Boss(tm)
Weequays (note that there were some in MotS)
Various AI Buddies, including some that were in MotS (like the New Republic Commandos)

And I'm sure there will be some characters we haven't been told about...

Darth Lunatic
02-19-2002, 06:08 AM
I'm just interested to know what's going on in the Expanded Universe books at the moment. I've read the Timothy Zahn trilogy with Thrawn etc, i've read the Kevin J. Anderson Trilody jedi search series, and i've read the Han Solo trilogy. So does the remnants of the empire ever die? Are there always stormtroopers, imperial officers, star destoyers etc?!

My point is that whoever wrote the story for Mysteries of the Sith made a good writing decision in moving away from fighting the Empire IMO. The first couple of missions you fight familiar imperial enemies, but from then on it's all different. You very rarely encounter storm troopers in the later missions, you get the feeling that their presence is dwindling in the star wars universe, which seems logical, it's past 10 years after their official demise.

Of course the Jk2 story might be just as good with the inclusion of the remnants of the empire as the main enemy. We'll see eventually.

Ahh well.

Sturmgewehr
02-19-2002, 06:24 AM
...when an extra month of development would have sufficed to create a more varied and interesting cast of players.


Funny they should say that when they reviewed it more than a month before it will be completed.

GonkH8er
02-19-2002, 06:38 AM
there were weeqauys in mots?

Jeedii_zaarinn
02-19-2002, 06:54 AM
those new republic guards got in my way and didn't even help and maybe the stormtroopers didn't have a good grip on katrassi and where did these stormtroopers come from, who sent them??
i think they are the stormtroopers from jedi outcast

Qel
02-19-2002, 06:59 AM
If the Star Wars universe ever run out of Imperials there is always
the new enemy....Yuuzhan Vong.

But I think, we will never get bored of takin on the Empire...;)

Qel

TheJackal
02-19-2002, 08:46 AM
One thing that disapoints me is the Unborn Jedi. In every screenshots or videos they all look the same.

I loved it a lot more in JK1 when you had to fight different jedis who had different attributes.

not just unborn jedis. sure, you might say they are clones but at least make them look different. i dont know. the red hooded might get overused. =/

ukdag69
02-19-2002, 08:53 AM
The 'Reborn' (not Unborn) arent supposed to be bosses as such. The Empire is building an army of force-attuned warriors, and they crop up in numbers later in the game. Their stock bad guys with sabers, there not supposed to be equivilent to the Sith bosses in JK1

Jinn Tar-Nesh
02-19-2002, 09:00 AM
:D

I think that those red hooded guys really look good...you don't like them?? The same you say?? Maybe the stormtroopers should also look different??:)

Come on....for me...there's no problem they look the same...aren't they clones:D ??

db6
02-19-2002, 09:43 AM
didn't they say earlier that the GHOUL2 system would allow them to vary the skins of the enemies? maybe we would be seeing the same "face", but they would be wearing different outfits.

ps2maddenman
02-19-2002, 09:48 AM
Well, I have no doubt that this game will get an expansion pack (or 2) since JK got one and Raven made one for ST Elite Force, the question is this, what will the 2nd expansion pack bring? Will it be the same quality as JK2 or will it just be basically new maps?



hopefully since this is the expanded universe the Yuuzhan Vong will show up in it, that would be really really cool.

Aristotle
02-19-2002, 11:11 AM
After reading that full review, this issue does seem to be the author's only real concern... but he does say it's a minimal one at that...

It takes at least a month, sometimes 2 to get a full mag from writing/editing, etc to print.. so that author must have had that beta in January or even as early as December.

Therefore, between that time and now, that leaves a good 2 months minimum between the version he had and the polished final product... two months is a long time in Raven time, considering this entire game was done in about 12 months total.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the major polishing aspects done in the last couple months was with skins...

Guess we'll just have a wait a few more weeks and find out for ourselves.

JackTheGaffer
02-20-2002, 12:43 AM
I just want Impirail Comandos I loved them in DF.

GonkH8er
02-20-2002, 01:14 AM
Maybe we should wait for todays update. Maybe we'll see some new skins.... :D

Chanke4252
02-20-2002, 05:32 AM
I like the red hooded bad-guys. I wonder when they will get their capes like the emperor. I think its a club and the higher up members of the club have to wear robes. Hopefully whenever I start a club of some sort we can copy this idea and make everyone wear hoods at all times, and i wouldnt ever have to get dressed because i could jus wear a robe at all times.

Uber_Saber
02-20-2002, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by JackTheGaffer
I just want Impirail Comandos I loved them in DF.

You too? I loved those guys. Well, I didn't love them. But they were good. Better than Stormies and provided an occasional challenge. They didn't do enough of them in JK.

Agen
02-20-2002, 08:20 AM
I coudl swear i've seen the red hooded guys in a game before..... i can't put my finger on it.

Rogue15
02-20-2002, 09:08 AM
wonder if we'll see any sith statues or vornskr...

Kurgan
02-21-2002, 01:41 AM
Yes, MotS had Weequay's, and you could also play as one in Multiplayer.

Dark Forces AI characters:

Stormtrooper
Imperial Commando
Imperial Officer
Probe Droid
Imperial Remote
Interrogator Droid
Mouse Droid (only non-hostile in the game)
Dianoga
Trandoshan
Gammorean Guard
Gran
Kell Dragon
Boba Fett
Phase I Dark Trooper
Phase II Dark Trooper
Phase III Dark Trooper
Droid Welding Arm

There were also Ewoks and Jan Ors, but they were non-animated (well you could scorch the Ewoks).

Jedi Knight AI characters:

Stormtrooper (four varieties)
Imperial Officer
Imperial Commando (two varieties)
AT-ST (two varieties)
Probe Droid
Grave Tusken (four varieties)
Imperial Remote
Sentry Droid
Mailoc
Drugon (sp?)
Those jellyfish things (sorry, forgot the name)
Rodian
Kell Dragon
Gammorean Guard
Trandoshan (two varieties)
Gran (six varieties)
Blaster turrets (at least three varieties)
Dark Jedi (eight varieties)
human bystanders (four varieties)
ughnaught bystanders (two varieties)
droid bystanders (four varieties)
Max the Rabbit

You also see Jan Ors in a cutscene (in polygon form).

MotS AI characters (JK list, plus the following):

New Republic Commando (friendly)
New Republic Officer (friendly)
Rancor
Boba Fett
WeeQuay
Ithorian Renegade
Swamp Wampa
Protocol Droid (another color variety of the droid bystander)
Dianoga
Nohgri
Ysalamari (doesn't attack, negates the force)
Vornskr
Dark Jedi (three varieties)
Sith Statue (two varieties)
Sith Undead (two varieties)
Construction Droids (two varieties)
Assassin Droid
Interrogater droid
TIE Pilot
Dart Flower
AT-AT Driver
Pirate raiders (three varieties, or maybe four)

There's only one type of AT-ST in MotS (drops an AT-AT Driver instead of a Commando or Officer)

There are a few more characters you see only in cutscenes, like the New Republic Commanders, Abrohn Marh, and the Hutt.

I miss any?

Redwing
02-21-2002, 01:53 AM
You missed Scout trooper. :)

BTW it's spelled "Abron Mar" no "h"s :D

Where were Dark Jedi in MotS? Or are you counting Dark Mara and Dark Kyle...but that's only two :confused:

A Big Fat CoW
02-21-2002, 01:55 AM
didnt miss any i can think of. but where were there dark jedi in mots? besides the statues, of course.. and also fett was only in the secret level i beleive, which was kinda glitchy so i dunno...

then again, i just kinda ran through mots, so i might be wrong..

Silent_Thunder
02-21-2002, 01:57 AM
The only thing you missed, Kurgan, is the blaster turrets from Dark Forces :).

And Redwing, the 3 Dark Jedi He's talking about are Dark Mara, Dark Kyle, and Dark Kyle #2 (There were 2 different Dark Kyle fights, each with different AI, I believe that's why he's considering 3..).


EDIT: Actually, I believe there was a Dark Jedi in the secret level, that may be what Kurgan is referring to.

Apparition
02-21-2002, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by db6
didn't they say earlier that the GHOUL2 system would allow them to vary the skins of the enemies? maybe we would be seeing the same "face", but they would be wearing different outfits.

GHOUL and GHOUL2 are location based damage systems and really have nothing to do with enemy skins. Skins are just basically that, skins. And they could make a bunch of variations but for some reason no game ever really does. It's a shame.