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Swoosh
02-22-2002, 06:27 PM
Hey guys, check out the main page for a new shot!

JediknightII.net (http://www.jediknightii.net)

http://www.jediknightii.net/images/sotw16.jpg

Swoosh

ESE_SithEmperor
02-22-2002, 06:29 PM
Boy I tell you what thats a really kick ass picture!

Agen
02-22-2002, 06:35 PM
ahem... i e-mailed yous 10 minutes ago with that. where's my credit!!!! :D

Zodiac
02-22-2002, 06:37 PM
Cool! They have mirrors in the levels!!

Maybe we can now hope for some kind of Bruce Lee "Enter The Dragon" mirror room... :)

Kx_Dra_Sycdan
02-22-2002, 06:46 PM
The way they textured those pillars looks bad (not cool bad, but not good) stacked bricks/stones tend to not bend like that.

JediDante
02-22-2002, 06:47 PM
Looks stinken SWEET!!

Roger
02-22-2002, 06:56 PM
If you look closely at the "mirror" image, it's not mirrored.

Also, the wall texture looks bad... I hope they fix that texture to a smaller brick or something... don't know... I don't like it...

Bio Warrior
02-22-2002, 07:11 PM
awesome

rolsen
02-22-2002, 07:20 PM
I have two possible theories:

1) This is just a shot from multiplayer, and two people both choosed Kyle as their model.

2) This is a shot from singleplayer and Kyle is on a "vision quest" similar to when Luck went into the cave to face Vader on Dagobah in The Empire Strikes Back.

Bio Warrior
02-22-2002, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by rolsen
I have two possible theories:

1) This is just a shot from multiplayer, and two people both choosed Kyle as their model.

2) This is a shot from singleplayer and Kyle is on a "vision quest" similar to when Luck went into the cave to face Vader on Dagobah in The Empire Strikes Back.

i think its number 2 since his saber isnt on

Eternity
02-22-2002, 07:36 PM
It's the boss that Raven was hinting about, of course.

Like, duh.

He has to battle a clone of himself.

.....

IF that's right, it would be pretty cool. :D

Zx2
02-22-2002, 07:44 PM
Cool! They have mirrors in the levels!!


'tis not a mirror my friend, otherwise the "reflection's" lightsaber would be on his right side (the same side kyle's saber is on)
its obviously another player

i doubt that its a clone of kyle though.... that level doesnt look like it would be a very good lvl to fight a boss in

i'd say the shot is most likely from an mp game....

Qel
02-22-2002, 07:48 PM
One word...W:DW


Have a question though....can u turn the lightsaber on and off
while still in 3rd person perspective???

..or is it like JK where the saber turns off when u change weapon?

It would be cool to have the option to turn it on and off while in 3rd person...;)

Qel

Zodiac
02-22-2002, 08:04 PM
In JK you CAN turn it off and still have 3d-view, just press your F1 key to toggle between internal and external view (Even with Saber retracted) :)


and it's not a mirror? aah too bad. :( oh well.. has a 3d fps-game ever had a mirror? JK didnt have mirrors.. Half Life and CS and Q didnt have mirrors either..

I recon mirrors are real hard to create.. :confused:

GUNNER
02-22-2002, 08:08 PM
Looks nice to me... Did you guys see the featured screen at the top of the page. The colors look great.

Swoosh
02-22-2002, 08:16 PM
Quake 3 has mirrors, so JKII could potentially have mirrors as well. Kinda a novelty more than anything...but cool nonetheless.

Swoosh

Jedi Howell
02-22-2002, 08:18 PM
q3 has mirrors...EF had one, in the lunch level...

jh

Graphicsgod
02-22-2002, 08:18 PM
Roger, has a point. If it were mirriored Kyle would be flipped so that the sabre would be on the other side along with his shoulder pad. I think He's fighting a clone of himself (episode V anyone).

No Zodiac, mirrors are just graphic intensive.

Think about it. With a mirror in a level, it has to render everthing twice (when the player looks into it of course ;) ). Now crank up the res. to the max, with tripple buffer and 2x or 4x AA, and you better hope you have a good system to run that! Mirrors don't effect frame rate (too much) if they are kept small and in low lag areas (ie. no action going on). Thats why FPS have very few mirrors and are usually in a closet/bathroom or in small sized rooms with very little going on.

Jedi_Knight_UK
02-22-2002, 09:30 PM
I don't think it is a mirror , for reasons that have already been pointed out.

Multiplayer is plausable.

There are to little things I would like to add:

1) If you remember back to MotS they had 'FORCE PROJECTION' , maybe they are reviving this force power????

2)The thing about it being a 'CLONE' , They already did that in MotS and it SUCKED royally. I think they would'nt even attempt that stunt again.

Really looking forward to it. Pre-Ordered my copy in December!

Everyone seen the PC GAMER UK video and review, it absolutely ROCKS!!!! Still trying to find the 'Dark side' Box?

X-Vector
02-23-2002, 07:11 AM
I've studied the picture for a bit and I'm still not sure.

As pointed out, if this is a mirror shot then Kyle's image is mirrored incorrectly (saber side, model stance, wall and floor textures).
At the same time, the floor seems to slant and 'deslant' from the exact origin of where the mirror would be (i.e. the two player models do not appear to be in the same horizontal plane), also it would be hard to explain the small gap between the two 'sheets' of wall that stand between both Kyles if not for the mirror theory.

Am I seeing ghosts here? ;)

The Bothan Spy
02-23-2002, 07:38 AM
Hi guys, this is my first post!!!

Glad someone else noticed that it wasn't a mirror!! No-one over at the Jedi-Outcast.com forums seemed to have noticed this - now I know where the INTELLIGENT people go to discuss JK2.

Another FPS with a mirror - AvP (the original one - first level)

Another thing I've noticed, is that Kyle's saber hilt is different to the one he has in most of the recent screenshots. In this pic. he has a big chunky one that was in the screenshot with the green lakey thing - it looks a bit like Obi-Wan's from Ep1 (urrgh!). Does that mean this picture isn't "new" new???

Also, could you tell me how you all have customised pictures underneath your names, how do I do that??

CaptainRAVE
02-23-2002, 07:40 AM
Maybe hes seeign a vision. I dont think its a mirror because of those two pieces that look like a frame. However, they cant be a frame because the reflection continues either side of them. This sure is a weird shot :confused:

Agen
02-23-2002, 07:45 AM
Still i get no credit for e-mailing the bloody thing :mad:

CaptainRAVE
02-23-2002, 07:49 AM
I've done it before and you wont get credit. I've forgotten the reason, but you just dont.

X-Vector
02-23-2002, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by CaptainRAVE
Maybe hes seeign a vision. I dont think its a mirror because of those two pieces that look like a frame.


It's not a frame, you're probably confused by the angle of view (close to 90) in relation to the more distant of the two sidewalls.

Graphicsgod
02-23-2002, 08:45 AM
The Bothan Spy, well... you can use one of the best graphic editing programs around and purchase Photoshop. But that could set you back $500 (at the least). Or you could go with the god awfull Paint Shop Pro. It's free (and rightfully so), and gives you pretty much everything you need to create and edit images.

Do a search for "Paint Shop Pro" on the net and you should find it.

Then open your board information by clicking on "user cp" at the top of the page, and tell it to upload your image. Just remember to keep it small in both size and in bytes.


And there you have it, hope that helps.

CaptainRAVE
02-23-2002, 08:59 AM
I got Paint Shop Pro of Kazaa. Its only 32Mb, I dont use it much, so I didnt see any point in buying it. Actually, I havent used it for ages.

The Bothan Spy
02-23-2002, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Graphicsgod
The Bothan Spy, well... you can use one of the best graphic editing programs around and purchase Photoshop. But that could set you back $500 (at the least). Or you could go with the god awfull Paint Shop Pro. It's free (and rightfully so), and gives you pretty much everything you need to create and edit images.

Do a search for "Paint Shop Pro" on the net and you should find it.

Then open your board information by clicking on "user cp" at the top of the page, and tell it to upload your image. Just remember to keep it small in both size and in bytes.


And there you have it, hope that helps.

Cheers Graphicsgod, nice one!!
Personally though, I think Paint Shop Pro rules, but maybe that's because it's the most advanced graphics program I've used? The only other one is MS Paint, which I know for sure IS rubbish!!

Agen
02-23-2002, 09:26 AM
The only other one is MS Paint, which I know for sure IS rubbish!!

I think you meant to type it like this -
The only other one is MS Paint, which I know for sure IS rubbish!!

Painreliever
02-23-2002, 09:45 AM
I am saying that Kyle is not fighting a clone of himself nor is he looking into a mirror exactly. I think he is either is some kind of room that has a portal or warp zone that sends back an image of the other side or he is in one of those maze/puzzle halls where you have to have to choose the correct order for which direction to go before it lets you out. Like Forward, Forward, left, back, right, forward... It can't be a mirror because it is reflecting him holding the lightsaber from the other hand, but if it was a warp zone/portal that showed where the person was going then the opening is showing an image of Kyle from the standpoint of the portal. It makes sense to me...the portal is showing him or at least is made to make him think that once he enters it he will come out in the same place he went in. I highly doubt it is a clone of Kyle because there is too much in the picture that makes me think its a portal of some kind. There is a pronounced line in the floor right where the "reflection" begins. The view from the portal shows Kyle standing at the same distance from the walls to the left and right in front of him. What is the black space though above though. The smaller looking pillars don't go into it and it doesn't look like a view of the ceiling because there is no darkness on the ceiling directly in front of Kyle before the portal. I think that the black you see is actually part of the machine or whatever it is that is making the portal. I think Raven set the view of the portal to make it seem like a hall of mirrors effect but probably made this section in a way so as to not have any two portals in direct view of each other because then you are talking massive slow downs.

However...I think there is the possibility based on the hints Raven has given out that Kyle will have to fight a clone of himself or something similar and that this would either be a good lead into that level-wise or a good place to have the fight happen. Think about it...By this point in the game you know you are looking for a bad version of yourself you turn the corner and see yourself standing there and the tension rises. Now what if there was actually nother Kyle running through all these portals(the real bad one) to add to the confusion and tension. Just a theory but it could happen. Either way I seriously doubt that what you are seeing in the picture is the actual clone of Kyle. I think it is more likely it is the portal effect created by Raven to not mirror yourself but to show you an image of yourself from the perspective of the portal.

Thats my take.
Painreliever

Rancor
02-23-2002, 10:57 AM
I can spot a Q3 mirror a mile away...and it definetly is a mirror... but it looks kind of broken right now ( looks like it wasn't set up quite properly in that screenshot ). Also, the rocks are not bending, the face just isn't cut at a 90 degree angle....it sort of has the edge clipped off at an odd angle.

The broken mirror bit brings up sort of an interesting question in my mind...I wonder if Raven takes the screenshots or if someone at Activision or Lucas takes the shots and distributes them? I'm assuming any of the dev's at Raven would know it was broken and not hi-light such a fact by letting everyone see it. Whereas, someone in marketing or mgmt. probably has no idea what it's really supposed to look like.....

Sturmgewehr
02-23-2002, 11:26 AM
I think Raven takes the screenshots and sends them to Lucasarts. Lucasarts then picks the ones they like and publishes them.

They are messing with our minds. Toying with us. They haven't released a demo yet, trying to get us to go insane, now this wierd screenshot that has us all confused. Jedi Outcast will be the end of us...

StormHammer
02-23-2002, 06:54 PM
Welcome to the forums Painreliever, The Bothan Spy and Jedi_Knight_UK. Hope you're enjoying your stay. :D

*hands each a chocolate Jedi Medallion*

As for that pic. I'm not so sure it is a mirror. It just looks like a doorway to me, with the floor sloping up slightly and down again on the other side...like, er...sand drifted up against the door when it was closed? The textures aren't mirrored either.

I'd go with the idea that this is Kyle taking a test in the Jedi Academy...facing his personal fear, like Luke did on Dagobah.

Of course, it's all conjecture. Maybe it is a mirror - in which case it's totally bug-ridden.

Mind you...Lucasarts have been known to release screenshots of earlier builds...complete with obvious bugs. Remember the one with the blur effect...that wasn't a blur effect? ;)

Pedro The Hutt
02-23-2002, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by The Bothan Spy

Another thing I've noticed, is that Kyle's saber hilt is different to the one he has in most of the recent screenshots. In this pic. he has a big chunky one that was in the screenshot with the green lakey thing - it looks a bit like Obi-Wan's from Ep1 (urrgh!). Does that mean this picture isn't "new" new???

Or....... They're going to let us select a saber hilt when creating a multi-player character :D (just wishful thinking hehe ^_^")

Rat Boy
02-23-2002, 08:17 PM
I think Kyle is confronting "himself" in the temple of the Sith Lord Exar Kun on Yavin IV, similar to Luke's confrontation with the image of Vader/Himself on Dagobah.

toms
02-23-2002, 08:17 PM
hmmm.,... fighting yourself... didn't MOtS already do that??? yawn...


on the other hand, it might be fun.... especially if it learns from you and uses the same fighting style you do...

i still think it might be multiplayer... they wouldn't give it away this soon, would they?

on the other hand, kyles a stormie... if they are all clones, maybe they all look like him ;)

bsbuckeye21
02-23-2002, 10:51 PM
Oh, this thing's also supposed to be pretty good: (Haven't tried it out myself yet, though)

http://download.cnet.com/go/to?tag=ex.dl.10077-106-1.splst-0-2.7614965&destUrl=/downloads/0-10077-100-7614965.html

Yodimus Prime
02-23-2002, 11:14 PM
Hey, wouldn't it be cool if you were wandering through a labrinth of mirrors and came across one that didn't give you an exact reflection? There'd be tons of reasons why, but that's the story's job. By itself, it would just be a really startling thing to come upon.


So then you have to wonder why they'd give that away..

The Bothan Spy
02-24-2002, 05:17 AM
Originally posted by Pedro The Hutt

Or....... They're going to let us select a saber hilt when creating a multi-player character :D (just wishful thinking hehe ^_^")

How cool would that be!!!
Like the SBX patch for J.K, only much much better!!
:joy: